I great video from ZeroFossilFuel posted just a day ago, the man is a star!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc3mUwx8BAw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc3mUwx8BAw)
I cannot wait to hear of further results from him.
yeah i am subscribed to his video for a while
I wait to see his result using EFIE device, I dont use hydrogen right now but I made a lot of change
on my jeep, and I am pretty sure EFIE can prob help even without hydrogen. I was able to go from 14L/100km to 10L/100km just with some change not related to hydrogen. I bet EFIE can prob increase my mileage by 15% but I was waiting to see if its really usefull since my jeep have 2 oxygen sensor its not a little modification.
TheOne,
14L/100km to 10L/100km is a lot. How did you do that?
hanker886
I changed the exaust with AreaTurbine (http://www.aeroperformanceexhaust.com/)
changed the 8 spark plugs with Halo spark plug (http://www.greenprogress.com/transportation_article.php?id=168)
Also I changed the oil with synthetic oil
I Changed the negative wire with better wire, and added something to help to distribute the current on the car. All that changed from 14L to 10L without any hydrogen cell!
Almost forget, I added AirTab on the back of the jeep to remove drag on the highway
here my jeep: http://www.amanatsuspace.com/view_picture.php?view=6
So now the next step will be to add the EFIE + CONDENSATOR + HYDROGEN CELL
But i will do that later, I don't use my jeep a lot so its not really a problem the oil price for me now.
I bet the EFIE will make my jeep go to 8.5 - 9L, adding the condensator will make it go down from 8.5 to 7.5. Hydrogen prob a big 40% on the 7.5 -> 4! :) hopefully
ITs not that bad for a big v8 4.7L :P
Remember 10L is on the highway, a Jeep in the city is not really fuel efficient lol
Hello everyone. Haven't checked in here in a bit and suddenly I'm a celebrity. ;D
People have been asking me about the EFIE so I guess this is as good a place as any to post my schematic. The calibration video is inaccurate. Can't measure the offset the way I attempted to show because the ECU is always compensating. Only way to monitor the offset would be by computer if the vehicle was newer than '96' with OD2. Mine isn't so it's trial and error for me. Right now at 200mV which seems to work well. When I get some time a full site will be erected at http://zerofossilfuel.angelfire.com/ with all schematics, mechanical drawings and index of video links.
Glue is setting on the rebuilt electrolyzer as I write this. Plates still have to be conditioned before going back into service. That's going to take a few days. New plate config PnnnnnnMnnnnnnP. 1.97v/cell @13.8V. Electrolyte concentration is 56 grams NaOH to 1.5 liters distilled water. The new unit will have some additional acrylic wafers glued to the top edges of the plates similar to the bottom to prevent leakage, allowing it to be fully submerged without loss of efficiency and eliminating concerns about critical fluid levels. Best posted efficiency with previous plate configs 4.26ml/min/watt. 100% efficiency is somewhere around 7ml/min/watt. I'll be happy with anything close. If I'm lucky I might see OU.
Cheers everyone!
ZFF
Where do you live, zero?
I would be cautious about driving a modified car on the road.
If you are in an accident and they deem the modifications to be illegal or the cause of the accident you probably won't be covered by any sort of insurance.
Results are impressive however. Keep up the good work!
Quote from: TheOne on September 04, 2007, 12:58:33 PM
added something to help to distribute the current on the car.
The One
Just a quick seperate question to the topic
What is that 'something' to help distribute the current you mentioned?
OzMan1 ;D
Voltage stabilizer,
I used a lot my jeep in city for the last 3 weeks now and it sucks hard lol, on highway it fine but not city
I have a new car now, i need to sell the jeep :), So i will get better result in city with this car, at least the new car have like my jeep an internal computer showing in realtime the mileage/consommation. Its still a big motor 3.2L V6 but surprising quite economic even in city
I will start to mod the car with a catch can upgraded like a condensator with sillica-gel for the filter inside the catch can, and something to push more air in the engine.
If I get positive result i will put the result here. The car have 477k km :) so that will be a good car to test stuff on it!
Later the hydrogen, I prefer have the catch can before so when I will put the hydrogen cell, i will connect it directly after the catch can on the PCV valve instead of air filter. Not sure if its better in this configuration. we will see!
@All - Tonight as I was prepping my new 316L plates for another experimental cell, the thought occurred to me to deconstruct my original S-Cell and reuse some of the parts, specifically the slotted plate rack, then cut up the rest of the tank to make new plate columns. It's the cell depicted in the photos below.
Then I thought, hey, I pur a lot of work into this thing. I wonder if anyone else might want it to get a jump start into their own HHO experiments. And so here I am to guage how much interest there might be in bidding on this on ebay? If I did, how much do you think it would bring? Anyone?
Zero
Quote from: ZeroFossilFuel on October 20, 2007, 09:10:43 PM
Then I thought, hey, I pur a lot of work into this thing. I wonder if anyone else might want it to get a jump start into their own HHO experiments. And so here I am to guage how much interest there might be in bidding on this on ebay? If I did, how much do you think it would bring? Anyone?
Zero
Hey Zero,
I am watching your stuff on youtube tonite... really inspiring effort. I found this posting after hearing your frustration with youtube in one of your vids. I am very interested in your work and devotion. I noticed your angelfire site doesn't have anything on it but a couple favorite links ...huh?!
I am thinking... hey man, if you are having problems with your hosting maybe we can work something out... I would be willing to provide hosting for you at cost, i.e., I run a shared hosting plan and would be happy to donate hosting for you basically for free, until the shear amount of video started costing me for storage, or something like that. We can always add more storage too.
I am a professional electronics and computer engineer... I run the hosting mostly for my personal clients. Anyway, if you are interested please post back -- or simple send me a message personally (by clicking on my profile-name) and include your email for me to respond to you privately. My thought is, if we do begin a dialog I would like to (privately of course) tell you more about me, and learn a little more about you... and then we can take it from there... how does that sound?
And... Man... forget ebay, surely someone here or at youtube would simply make you an offer... hell, I would if I had any dough right now... I really would love to begin outfitting my jeep toward alternative to oil based fuel ...(plus it gets 10mpg -but its a killer machine)!!! so I am sure you can understand! HA!
Anyway, no matter..., more power to you, and thanks so much for publicly sharing your efforts - I think its awesome.
Cheers,
Rick/TwoHawks
Wow! I was always under the impression that you had to have a tank of compressed hydrogen to deliver the fuel to the intake manifold. Zerofossilfuel proved that a car can use hydrogen as it's being produced. This will considerably reduce the chances of a high explosion from compressed gas. I just hope Congress doesn't have an "emergency meeting" to deem the zero cell some kind of "hazard". Keep up your research everyone. I sure am.
Ain't it Cool :)
Yes it is IH.
Z, Great idea. I wouldnt sell it cheap tho. I know how much work it takes to make em. And besides its a part of ZFF-HHO history. Damn thing may be priceless some day..
Quote from: eandatoo on December 09, 2007, 03:41:26 PM
Wow! I was always under the impression that you had to have a tank of compressed hydrogen to deliver the fuel to the intake manifold. Zerofossilfuel proved that a car can use hydrogen as it's being produced. This will considerably reduce the chances of a high explosion from compressed gas. I just hope Congress doesn't have an "emergency meeting" to deem the zero cell some kind of "hazard". Keep up your research everyone. I sure am.
Surely you dont think we'd quit building just because a bunch of greedy nitwhits like congress or any other damn bunch of greedy sphinkters deside they think we should ,, do ya?
That Aint gonna happen!
Changed my mind. Not for sale.
If any of you haven't seen my latest vid you should check it. I cranked up the pump this afternoon for a quick test. Massive gas increase is not an illusion. With the cell at room temp and producing x amount of hho, after putting 24" Hg to it, it produced gas so fast that the bubbler couldn't contain the fluid it held. I'm not talking about just a measureable difference. I'm talking about "HOLY SHIT, BATMAN!!!" 5x-10x more gas! And no, I do not have any leakes in my system.
If I'm getting ~70% effieiency at atmospheric now,
CAN YOU SAY OVER UNITY???
Quote from: Moab on December 09, 2007, 05:41:18 PM
Quote from: eandatoo on December 09, 2007, 03:41:26 PM
Wow! I was always under the impression that you had to have a tank of compressed hydrogen to deliver the fuel to the intake manifold. Zerofossilfuel proved that a car can use hydrogen as it's being produced. This will considerably reduce the chances of a high explosion from compressed gas. I just hope Congress doesn't have an "emergency meeting" to deem the zero cell some kind of "hazard". Keep up your research everyone. I sure am.
Surely you dont think we'd quit building just because a bunch of greedy nitwhits like congress or any other damn bunch of greedy sphinkters deside they think we should ,, do ya? That Aint gonna happen!
I have to agree. Those greedy SOBs are not going to keep their stranglehold on us. There's great technology out there and we deserve to tap into it and utilize it. This is a great forum and I hope to see more of them. I want to see zero cells in every car on the road!
That's amazing ZFF, but how to you prevent flashbacks and still get the vacuum to the cell? I love using bubblers, but I don't think you can have a cell under vacuum AND have a bubbler, but I dunno. I would love it if you could though. Good job. =)
Quote from: Super God on December 09, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
That's amazing ZFF, but how to you prevent flashbacks and still get the vacuum to the cell? I love using bubblers, but I don't think you can have a cell under vacuum AND have a bubbler, but I dunno. I would love it if you could though. Good job. =)
You can, and I do. Video to come.
Never thought of using a compressor, can't wait to see the video.
Aloha,
Some people use a little windshield washer pump after the cell to maintain vacuum.
I prefer running without the bubbler, and have done so without problem. Using barbed fittings without clamps at some points is good insurance in the unlikely event of an explosion. Be sure, as you should know, to retard your timing as needed.
Bill
Hey, Zero
Can you use the electrolyzer cell to run a vehicle on 100% HHO? Is there a special configuration needed to enable this? It would be great to totaly eliminate the need for fossil fuels.
Quote from: mrgalleria on December 10, 2007, 10:00:28 PM
Aloha,
Some people use a little windshield washer pump after the cell to maintain vacuum.
I prefer running without the bubbler, and have done so without problem. Using barbed fittings without clamps at some points is good insurance in the unlikely event of an explosion. Be sure, as you should know, to retard your timing as needed.
Bill
I am pretty sure it is advance the timing, as timing is already retarded to start the slow combustion just before TDC. If you ran regular petrol at TDC alot of the power would be lost due to the fact the piston is on the down stroke when the expansion begins. Thus you advance the timing because HHO should make the mixture burn faster and more complete. The bubbler can have a second added advantage by introducing a water vapor to the mix, thus slowing the combustion down and reducing the need for as much timing advancement. I was thinking of actually using an airstone in the bottom of the bubbler to add more vapor to the gas mix, and maybe be able to eliminate the need for timing advancement. Of course the major reason for me trying this is because I am using a OBDII truck for my experiments, and adjusting timings and fuel is more then just turning the distributor.
Aloha,
Actually to retard the timing means that it will fire later, to advance the timing means that it will fire sooner. Your own argument states that you want it to fire later, not sooner.
The bubbler will not add more vapor, it will remove most off the heavy vapor coming from the WFC. Use a bubbler, it is important. I use the airstone- aquarium bubbler.
Bill
hey Zero, LTNS
looks like we've both had some interesting developments since we last emailed
did you get anywhere with that PMM?
regards
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site: http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
@ZFF and IH
Is this the same cell that produces the parahydrogen from you other post (highvoltage HHO by Ironhead"???
Mark
Okay boys and girls. Be watching for my next YouTube video, or visit my Justin.tv channel to check out recorded videos there of some of the fun I had Sunday with my B&S test stand. Sent the following Tweet this morning...
QuoteI DID IT!!! My >2:1 eff ROI held true. With my 5.9 MMW Batt-Cell & 48% ttl pwr conv eff, POSTED NET GAIN TTL SYS EFFICIENCY!!! Plz retweet!
That's correct, folks. Documented, verifiable, repeatable, peer reviewable, honest to goodness
NET GAINS!!!More live tests tonight. Speadsheets of the collected data and edited videos to follow.
Cheers!
Z
Z
Sounds great,can you post Links?
Thanks
Chet