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anyone herd of this stuff ??!?!???!?!??

my alein freiend just droped this off to me i thought i would share it with you all

his name is JT

must read

http://www.karenlyster.com/hudson.html

enjoy

more to come

Histeam!!

some more movies about this stuff

check it out might blow you away  ;)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8520685849837442911

and 1 more

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4924512900083588511&q=gold+powder&total=138&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

just opening eyes

now if the tpu was truley written in stone and is true then how about this stuff

hummmmm........

ISTEAM!!

Melchizedek never died - he ascended - very intersting story. 

.......................

very interesting, I wonder how one would make this stuff.

perhaps some digging will produce results 

i have herd seek and ye shall find ;)

now ask your self why does the azteck calender end in 2012??!??!??

and it is said in the bible that a welth of great knowlage will come to surface in the final days  ;)

dont be freaked out im no relougous guy but there is somthing far greater than us  this i do know {as i have asked and i was given}  and you know what it happened over night  ;)

ISTEAM!!                                    ~~~~~~~~in just the perfect manner~~~~~~~~

if you got aliens visiting you why don't you talk more about that, and ask them for a ou device?

I made colloidal silver with electrolisis using silver as the electrodes, it comes off as a white powder in the water, but if left settles as a silvery powder on the bottom of the glass. Maybe this gold powder is made the same way.

They say it's atomic gold, then what is the gold molecule make-up?

my friend is verry much human

the ou device i need not ask anyone for that i already have as i said the person i asked for that was not of this world  you can refer to him as god or what ever you call the higher beings  ;)

the funny thing is he him or god answered  the next day through a twisted way and dont you know  here we are

isteam!!

goals:  ~~~~~~ build~~~~~~~~~~ prove~~~~~~~~~~~ release~~~~~~~OPENSOURCE

"white powder" this can be also aluminat.("Mallebrin" as oral desinfectant )!
In the 19th century aluminium production price was at first more expensive than gold !

Above yellow gold would be white "rhodium",but it is not possible to melt it with 450 degrees Celsius.

S
  dL

Gold transmutation and experiments.

http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/mstate/pyramidgold.html

"IS"  I watched that whole video . man that is amazing stuff .

Gaseous  atoms   wow  great stuff . I need so of this stuff.

Thanks
IronHead

 ;)

you are all welcome

now!!!!


dig deep cuz it is the answer to much you all know this it is all proven


agin why does the azteck callender end in 2012

come on people there is only so much time left

is

i will say this i will not go up in a clould of smoke

i will leave this world ~~~~~~~~~in just the perfect mannor~~~~~~~~~~~~

i also say this i hold no responciablity for what you do with this info

i only put this here to open eyes of the blinded

be wise

ist

Interesting
http://www.whitepowdergold.com/
http://www.zptech.net/Products.html

aperntly the ark of the covenant was filled with white powder gold


hummmmm

ist

So it seems  . Also  many have found this to be a superconductor making the "Ark" a massive electric storage capacitor . Or so it is believed .

Also it seems that people that have been ingesting this stuff have had teeth that have been rotted and broken , grow back. Hair grow back , major skin repair......
This stuff is suppose to be activating the DNA structure. I am not talking about a few people here but many have reported these thing  worldwide. Cool stuff!

White powder gold has the highest commercial presence compared to almost every other topic posted in this forum. You can be confident in trusting most OU posts because posters are simply curious and could not have anything to gain, but this is a different story. Buyer beware.

i have offered nothing for sale

i only posted in hopes some of the great minds here take an intrest in it

it is real just as ou is real

just because we do not understand it all just yet does not make any of this a frud or fake

beleave as you all will i know what i beleave in  ;)

ist

Room temperature superconductor???

Video below showing white powder gold and its interaction with a magnetic field.

If what is in the video is true, magnetic shields for numerous magnetic motor designs could easily be made, among many other things that could indeed bring OU...

Who really knows though unless it is tried............

Quote from: juice on September 09, 2007, 02:55:34 PM
White powder gold has the highest commercial presence compared to almost every other topic posted in this forum. You can be confident in trusting most OU posts because posters are simply curious and could not have anything to gain, but this is a different story. Buyer beware.

Hey man I was just posting some of the stuff I found on the net about this stuff.
I have never seen anything on this Forum about it.

Many points,and completely out of order:

-They have been unrecognized until these recent times as they are ceramic oxide single atom versions of the platinum metals group. When oxides form as single atoms or few atom aggregates, they loose their metallic bonds, the electron orbits deform, and they fail to be recognized as anything at all, in the modern and current methods of measuring the elements within a given substance. The Russian academy of sciences uses a 300 second burn in spectrocopic element analysis, instead of the US or western version which is 15 seconds. The Russians use a neutral gas to envelope the carbon arc producing electrodes, to prevent them buring away (the electrodes) in the 15 or so seconds that they do in the Western method of analysis. When doing the 300 second arc-burn test, the monatomics DO SHOW UP.

- Current nanotechnology research involving the platinum metals group, is based on David Radius Hudson's poineering work in the 80-90's. Hudson was the 'new' discoverer of 'white gold', or the platinum metals group in an oxidized mono-atomic form.

-This mono-atomic material is apparently quite prevelant and is the basis of DNA and enzyme action-reaction in the human body and nervous system. The basis of the very operation of all life, in fact. The elusive point that science has not been able to find and understand.

-Is quite prevelant in volcanic ash soils, and that of the salt mixtures from ancient sea beds, the two that are in highest concentration of 'gold salt', or highest concentrations of monatomic gold are Salt lake, in Utah, and the Dead Sea, in Jordan/Israel (Palestine), with The Dead Sea being the highest concentration, at 70% peak values and Utah being at about 30-35% concentration in the salts. The Monatomic gold is there. It is unrecognized, as it is in it's monatomic crystalline ceramic superconductive form. The arc sputtering separates it from the chloride. This last point is not publically known.

-Note that arc sputtering is the method of creation mentioned for these white powders, which is the exact same method used to create superconductive 'long' carbon nanotubes!! (about $100 for 5 grams of superconductive long nanotubes. Yes, you can buy superconductive carbon nanotubes..today. Google it.)

-It is interesting to note that the so-called 'reptillian' multidimensionally existent 'gods' desire this product for the same reasons we would. Many many stories legends, etc, support this idea. It is also interesting to note that Zechariah Sitchin's work support it exactly as well, in the exact way mentioned. And once again, in the creation of Salt Lake City, via the report of 'Joseph Smith' recieving commands from 'reptillian gods' to locate his ass and subsequent 'cult' at the Great Salt Lake. According to the decoding of Sumerian tablets by Sitchin, the 'reptilian creators' of mankind (to mine gold) have been fighting for posession of those highly productive (produce the monatomic elements) areas of earth for quite a long time. Note that the core point is the Jordan/Israel (palestine) area, and that it has been the most fought over piece of land on the planet, for the longest time in all known or unknown history.

-Of the monatomic powders, the White Gold is the most prized, as that particular element is unique in that it has only the ONE stable isotope, so one might conclude that it is the closest to the original frequency of the ZPE (or vibrates or oscillates at the most obtuse frequency, therefore only one harmonic) , and is used for extreme intelligence (nerve inteconnectivity and etheric communcation) , the ability to be immortal (DNA and telomerase correction), and to travel interdimensionally, all whilst retaining 'human form' (relatively speaking).

-Apparently Solomon's temple, a place on the shores of The Dead Sea, is where this powder was manufactured, via this (arc sputtered) method, from the heavily salted sea water.

-It also seems to recreate or create antigravity, time travel (ie, interstellar travel), exteme long lives, health, etc. It is interesting to note, that the places where they are exposed in the mantle/crust of the earth, these areas are INCREDIBLY overblown with reports of UFO's. This indicates it is a power source, an energy source, for others who are frequenting our planet and raping it's resources.

-Every Single point that David Hudson raised in his research, concerning the behaviour of the materials he found, is being replicated in government and corporate laboratories across the world today.

-Every single food or material for human consumption which is considered to aid human growth, aid human mental capacity, aid human longevity, aid human strength, etc, etc...All grow best and give the greatest health and life benefits when grown in soil that contains these monatomic substances, or, another way to see it, in soil which is considered to contain these monatomic elements. All plants and substances which have the greatest aid to human development inthe ways mentioned...Have been tested by Hudson via the USSR 300 second arc burn - spectroscopic element test to have the HIGHEST concentrations of these monatomic elements

-The offices of Navy Research in the US, have found that the placment of nano sized single Ruthenium atoms at the end of a DNA chain causes it to become 10,000 times more conductive and SELF REPAIRING. Exactly the claim area of the original 'manna' or 'food of the gods', aka, the white powder of gold, or more specifically, all of the platinum metals group, in this monatomic (oxidized) superconductive form. The Navy also feely admits that every cell in the human body is able to commumicate with one another in ZERO (and I DO mean INSTANTANEOUS) time, via a mechanism which remains totally unknown. (2002-6+, ie RECENT, NEW research, ie, current work!)

- When atoms of the platinum group are 'singled' their electron orbits deform and they are both in and out of this dimensional reference. They are no longer 'metallic' in nature and are more of a 'ceramic superconductor'. Recent research is exactly supporting this situation, and this is the result of Hudson's work.

-The monatomic oxidation origins of the so-called items of dispute, ie, white powders, are again supported when one looks at the behaviour of Rhodium, in terms of plating thickness requirments vs self-oxidation. Hudson reports that Rhodium is the most difficult to re-form back to it's metallic multi-bond molecular aggregate form, compared to that of converting the rest of the platinum metals group-when in their monatomic form.

-The phenomena of the nature of human nervous systems supports Hudson's claims, again! How? Well, if one is hidden away from the knowledge/sight of the impact of a hammer on one's finger, for example, science has shown that the blow to the finger shows up as a nerve impulse EXACTLY at the finger and at EXACTLY THE SAME microsecond, in the brain. But if the brain is stimulated to imagine an impact at the finger instead, the nerve impulse must travel up the nerve from the hand to the brain and then the hand is 'moved' (reaction). This very specifically supports the idea of 'action at a distance' or 'intra-dimensional' considerations. Ie, the essence of pyshcic phenomena proven in a lab on a daily basis, for those who posses the basic common sense to allow themselves to see it, without monkey brained emotional issues rearing their head and the person disallowing the information in, as they inherently fear it, for it breaks their current bonds of understanding of their place in the universe. This is so common an issue it can make one puke from the incapacity for logic shown by some people, due to 'idealization' (mental comfort zones) of what concepts of reality must be.

-Note how the growth factors from volcanish ash on soil is highly prized, etc, in that on Mount Pinatubo, for example, the farmers will get back on the ash covered soil and begin planting IMMEDIATELY, as they KNOW that the growth from the ash is INSANE in intensity, allowing for 3-4 bumper crops of enormous size, immediately after a flow from the mountain. As a matter of fact, they routinely risk their lives to plant in that soil, before the mountian has even settled down!

-These powders have been found throughout the Giza complex and in places in Israel, where Solomon was said to have frequented. The records and stories are deep and long. It was specifically found in the chambers of the great pyramid. The evidence supports the claims of it's existence by the records of the Religions and leading caste behaviour of Egypt throughout the ages.

-All evidence of what the white powders are, deeply, powerfully, and scientifically support and explain all the evidence for multi-dimensionality and psychic experiences.

-All current medical research into cancer cures, etc, concerning the use of nano-particles of the platinum metals group, all flow from Hudson's work, and all support his intial findings...100%!

-All chemical seperation work done now to create nano-particles of the platinum metals group, all flow from Hudson's work on chemical seperation, ie acid reduction and seperation.

-Everything concerning current research into monatomic subatances and nano-particle Platinum metals group substances, exactly parallels and mirrors the reports of alchemical work throughout the ages.

-All reports on the alchemical process that are throroughly researched, show that the best and sucessful alchemists used a 'slow bake' 30-40 day, 'just over room themperature'  'chemical reaction' to create the white powder of gold for human consumption. This point supports the idea of a slow going 'chemical stew', elevated temperature creation of the monatomics from their elemental counterparts, all over the world, on vast levels. Ie, entire huge area of the world, dead seas, lake bottoms, deserts with exposed sea beds, etc, etc, etc. Basically, unrecognized levels of specific types of oxide production from principally or originally metallic elements.

-One can now...easily buy nano-particle mixes of silver in either powder or suspension, which have been chemically reduced or derived(acid reduction), straight out of medical firms which have 'discovered' the health benefits of using these 10nm or less sized silver particles to cure disease, contaigent issues, flesh eating disease, heal wounds, etc. All following from Hudson and other works. Nano-particles of gold in the 5 nanometer range can aslo be bought, for your testing and playing around with.  About $350 for 5 grams. 5 nanometers is VERY near to being true monatomic. The 5nm gold is starting to exibt quanta or intra-dimensional aspects at this point. Metallic bonds are nearly broken.....

-And on, and on, and on. This short list comprises less than a tenth of the things that can be researched here, concerning the support of this area of investigation.

So, if you  are interested in immortaily, multidimensionality, psychic energies and capacities, then looking into this stuff is the way to go.

In about three years of looking into this product, in depth, I've YET to come across one single point that cannot be correlated to and with existing answers and questions in science, human studies, cutting edge physics work, of any nature, psychic research, historical research concerning antiquities, legends, etc..and all in a correct and logically unassailable manner.

That speaks volumes, about wether it is live ---....or memorex. (for those of you who don't get the western cultural bit, what I mean is 'is it real, or is it complete lies and fantasy?').

When every tiny bit of evidence found and dug after, questioned, etc... always fits perfectly into holes in science and physics, then there is something important going on. Something quite big.

Huge, in fact.

The final or ultimate conclusion about this whole thing?

It now becomes a race toward the end, a race toward multi-dimensional existence and virtual immortality, for the more intrepid of us.

However: If you cannot clear your mind and be free of ALL,and I do mean ALL animalistic issues..you will never make it. That much is definitely true. Greed, avarice, nastiness, killer instinct, that does not fly here, that does not work here, not one fucking single bit. The attempt automatically raises the given person..or destroys them in the process. One will be parting with ALL internal masks. One will be stripped completely clean. Or dead from the attempt. (at least physically so)

No exceptions.

 ;D

it will find many uses in our lives

i hope most of the inventors here work with this stuff to come up with even more ou devices


looks like some than can afford and have the time have now got work to do

isteam!!

anyone know what that black, and brown stuff that collects on silver coins. It that silver oxide?

I did an experiment with collidal silver this spring. I put bean seads in plastic bags with wet paper towels in them, some with collidal silver in the water, and some with plain tap water. The ones with collidal silver grew faster at first, then they slowed down, and the paper towel turned black, or a very dark silver colour. In the end the ones with collidal silver grew slower, but it may have slowed down because the silver oxidized, and turned black. I should metion this was sitting in the sun light awell.

Search for "Bob Beck" in google video. He says these silver particles kill germs by oxidizing them. Silver kills germs in general. They use it in some fridges, silverware was used because it killed germs. They used to keep milk fresh by putting silver coins in it, and silver is used in the wrappings for burn victims.

@Prophmaji do you know of people who have died from injesting this stuff, and do you have some sources for that information you posted?

silver oxide is not nanosilver or monatomic silver.

Yes, people have died from ingesting 'things'. But 'things' aren't exactly monatomic examples. One must be sure they are dealing with monatomic elements. One way is to have access to a 1-2Mx electron microscope to actually see what you are dealing with. And an arc-burn spectroscopic element analyser that can be modified to the Russian academy version of 300 second analysis.

Both can be bought by a good shopper on ebay these days, for under $100k or so, for both. Likey less. I saw a 2Mx electron scope go for $65k the other day. One from 1999 or so, and recently calibrated, new hardware, flat screen monitors etc. Damn. Someone got a good deal.

As for 'information' you need to do collect your own. books. Buy the collected works of Laurence Gardiner and Sitchin for the outerworld hints of connectivity, and then do the rest of the research on the net. Hear all of the Hudson lectures and maybe, just maybe, someone has finally put his videos on the net. I'm failrly decent at pulling info out of diverse sources and correlating the data, I suspect most are not so lucky or persistent. Research the Hudson Patents. They and the lectures are getting harder and harder to find.....

The point is, I can prove nothing to you. You have to prove it to yourself.

Oh yes, Tibetian Monks ascend all the time. They build enough of this up in their bodies through their diet and meditation. One day...they simply aren't there anymore. All the tales of the activities of the Tibetian monks, etc, flying, etc, all come straight from this stuff. Corpses not rotting (sainthood) is another point.

If you read Charles Fort's book of the Damned, you will find many instances were frogs and fish etc, all seemngly fall out of the sky. They 'wormhole' their way to a new spot. Well, every single report encompassess critters that would be in a physical location where these monatomic substances is VERY prevelant. The powder of gold seems to produce 'bio-locational' skills.

Here's some information that borders on technical:

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm


The page the actual MP3 lectures are on:

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/hudson/index.html


Also look up the site of a physisist by the name of Daniel Sewell Ward, at 'Halexandria'.

http://www.halexandria.org/

Before you decide to take a magic pill,  better look on the side of Caution:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatomicgoldthinktwice15aug05.shtml


According to some, the guy behind this is part of the Illuminati, and NWO.
Could be some form of disastrous way to keep you from passing into
the next realm of existence. 

Please read the page link above.

One is also forced to remember, or..be informed for the first time that, as of recent:

Scientists doing the human genome project work, have found that or bodies are chock full of alien DNA. When I say 'alien' I mean >>EXACTLY<< that. Might come as a bit of shock to the 'flat earthers' that we are not entirely human, whatever 'human' means.

Ok. So we are filled with UNKNOWN DNA for the purpose of who knows what?

Apparently that 'junk DNA' can be activated by the White gold powders. True? Who the hell knows........

I think it's worth enough to investigate. My monkey ain't holding me back, no chance! I'm looking - with eyes wide open. If it means I've got a whole new circus ride coming my way, hell, I'm all for it.

As for the link you have supplied, I suspect it is about Laurence Gardiner. There's been that story running around by someone who says they've seen him shapeshift into a lizard dude. What was said, was that he shapeshifted into lizard dude at Montok point,and he and some others shapey dudes ate the unborn child out of the abomen of a woman who was hypnotized, etc. If the white powder of gold thing is true then, that makes sense no matter how bizzare it may seem.Ã,  :P :o ::) You see, if this stuff does exist, then the abomen, feotal sack, placenta, mother and the child are LOADED with telemorase and the White Powders. And that We, as humans, were created as workers for the mines that the reptilians are mining for the gold, to convert that gold. And we are their food animals as well. Specifically used in the ceremony. According to what I've read, this allows them to continue in their shapeshifting form, and to appear as humans. They are from Sirius, apparently. (Surely you can't be Sirius!)Ã,  This sort of thing is a tough one for folks to, well, swallow. (How about the 160 billion in missing gold under the twin towers, from the bank vaults in the remote sub basements??)

If that is true, I'd love to witness it. (not the death of a human, though. Nothing noble there) I'd love it, personally, as once seen and known to exist, I'd be a happy guy. Why? It would only serve real notice to me that reality is not what it seems.

And all bets of any kind, are all off. Anything is possible at that point --and human fears would be, well, just plain silly. And I've got a bigger dorsal fin than they do.

Taken from your supplied link, and it parallels my exact personal experiences:

Here is a final caution about this from another gentleman who has been described as a "master alchemist":

"Traditionally alchemists spent years preparing their students mentally for the internal application of such substances. Meditation, intellectual apprehension of divine process, a strict moral code and a deep understanding of self and the magickal nature of human relationships were considered necessary pre-requisites. I know from much personal experience that high end metallic preparations open ones mind to a vision of the true nature of reality very quickly. Most aspirants starting out on a spiritual path think this would be great - thinking that this process simply involves 'knowing cool stuff'. But the sad fact is that the Truth hurts, and the average seeker quickly discovers that they don't want the Truth and the "responsibility" that comes with it. Knowing the truth means acting in accordance with it or suffering the dreadful consequences. Until you understand how far away the average persons behaviours are from being productive - in line with the Truth - it is almost impossible to understand what I am suggesting here. In most cases arrogance will force persons forward and will have them taking powerful elixirs that in the last analysis will prove to be poisons for their unprepared systems.

Alchemists did not just die from inhaling mercury fumes, or from lead poisoning. They also died from taking the actual Elixirs and the Stone itself ... because they were not sufficiently prepared."

The last sentence makes my original post in this thread, the final warning, it makes it clear. This is not for the timid, the weak, the deleriously expectant. The mental stress of 'getting your shit straight' in one single shot can be deadly, if you can't handle it. This is not a joke. This can be very dangerous on the personal level. I was sleeping less than 1.5 hours per day for over 2 years, straight. I went grey during that time period. I was also on top of the world. I would also collapse into a puddle of crying trancendental compassion for the death of the world and it's denizens, at any given moment. Sometimes for hours at a time. So psychic I would constantly (every time I shut my eyes) live through the death of others, animals, humans, etc, etc. Do you have any idea what it is like to be in someone's mind when they die? How about doing that a few hundred or thousand times? Do you think you can handle that? Are you clear enough to be someone else at the same time you are still you? To be their fear, their pain, their life, their death, to absorb it and wash it away? Are you strong enough? After that ,during that, can you still walk down the street, and say hello to people..how is your day going? Without loosing your mind?

I am now recovered and am moving on. And I will be going back to that space soon. I did it on my own, with no 'powders' of any kind. I did it the old fashion way: with meditation.

Each person recieves a different gift from the experience. What will be yours?

well when the time comes we are all going some where weather we know b4 hand or at the right time it is i guess our choise im the kind of guy that takes it 1 day at a time and i enjoy that so i will not change that as we now know we can change almost all things we currently know as reality

i do not recomend any one eat this stuff i think it must be reserched and used in some of the many was it can that currently suit our reality as we  know it

but as we know nothing is what it seams  it is a big key to all the answers we serch for but are we really suspo to know this ?

i do not know but it is comming and i guess there is no stoping it

just like i said it will blow your mind  ;)

as it has blowen mine

ist                                             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~build something with this stuff~~~~~somthing overunity~~~~~~~~~~~~


i do have a question how is it weighted  hummmmm.........you can buy it by weight???  i kind of wonder somthing is not adding up here
as i recall it can be verry light in weight or quite heaver than it once was

it is defently somthing altogather new to me i look for uses in engery machines to start with  as that is the hear and the now

Where can I get some of this "white powder gold"? White cats are gettin' scarce around my area....

Nibiru.

hello my friend JT

i see you have so much to say ~~~~~NIBIRU~~~~~~~

ok all i think that is so much more to this puzzel than just white gold.   this is the puzzel of life 2012  a critical event is schugled to happen

it has happened in the past will happin in the future

IT IS TIME TO PUT OUR MINDS IN ACTION

there are a few paths we can take

perhaps this was my job to tell you all i really have no idea just yet

even N D the see'er  of the 17th         speaks of this event             in his writeings

open your mind     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~they come back~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

isteam!!       

if in fact this is all true ask yourself what does money mean to me??!??!??!??               i will answer that     verry little because it will not save me in my time of need!!!!!!!!!

IF Nibiru is real, then maybe that is why NASA is trying to make Saturn a new Sun.

Supposedly they are going to detonate a huge nuclear blast on Saturn soon.   It could
Ignite the entire thing, and turn it into a sun.   It will probably also kill tons of
humans from the initial formation. (radiation?)   

If Saturn was a sun, It might pull Nibiru away from Earth.   Not sure really.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZa2o2AmtGs

maybe we have already been given all we need?!?!?!?!?!?!


tesla's death ray??          a really hugh one    who knows  aperntly tesla gave the plans to 4 diffrent countrys canada the us the soviet unioin and some one else ?? but it was 4 sepreat peices and his plan was for all 4 of them to sit down togather and use it for good



could this be what he ment??    when he says the future is mine!!!!

needs more digging

is

Quote from: zero on September 10, 2007, 08:31:59 PM
IF Nibiru is real, then maybe that is why NASA is trying to make Saturn a new Sun.

Supposedly they are going to detonate a huge nuclear blast on Saturn soon.Ã,  Ã, It could
Ignite the entire thing, and turn it into a sun.Ã,  Ã, It will probably also kill tons of
humans from the initial formation. (radiation?)Ã,  Ã, 

If Saturn was a sun, It might pull Nibiru away from Earth.Ã,  Ã, Not sure really.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZa2o2AmtGs

uhm... no. If one ventured down that road to thought, the point is that Saturn's mass would never change, so gravitation would be the same as it is now.

Staying on that line of logic, then..maybe NASA is bent on firing up Saturn....to engage in Nibiru 'cargo cult'??Ã,  ;D :D

I took some WPG  last year and didnt really notice anything  but gave an ounce to my Mom and she she said it took away her hot flashes.....I still have an ounce of it and watching these videos posted now...any body got some ideas wat I culd do to test if it is real or not?

dude try some antigravity tests and some magnetic tests on it

posobly put electricty through it in a magnetic feild  you just never know till you try some things  ;)

ist

Quote from: kewlhead on September 12, 2007, 10:08:56 PM
I took some WPG  last year and didnt really notice anything  but gave an ounce to my Mom and she she said it took away her hot flashes.....I still have an ounce of it and watching these videos posted now...any body got some ideas wat I culd do to test if it is real or not?

What particular source point did it come from?

Quote from: kewlhead on September 12, 2007, 10:08:56 PM
I took some WPG  last year and didnt really notice anything  but gave an ounce to my Mom and she she said it took away her hot flashes.....I still have an ounce of it and watching these videos posted now...any body got some ideas wat I culd do to test if it is real or not?

heat it up and see if it disappears, or wieghs less then air, simplest test I can think of.

Since this is an open source forum, it should be posted how to make it. The producers of it supposedly use some electrochemical high voltage cell or something. Again, I'm not accusing anyone, just don't want people getting ripped off, when they charge some $70 for a small bottle containing a substance resembling water and salt.

yea about that. I wounldn't buy this stuff online, since the price of gold is around $700 per oz. and they're selling the white stuff for $70 per oz.

Supposedly in the process of changing the gold to powder it makes tons
more powder than the original source.

However, you dont know who is making the stuff and if it is laced with
something sinister.

The effects of the stuff is not fully understood nor well documented and
tested... and could be a Very bad (permanent?) trip,

As well as if the stuff is laced with something else..  could result
in a catastrophe.

There are some who believe that the stuff could be fused with
nano scale stuff for use in mind control triggers.   

Hhmmmm......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6991030.stm


Conventional thinking states that both antimatter and matter should have been created in equal quantities at the birth of the Universe.
The transient nature of antiparticles has made creating and studying di-positronium problematic.

Lasers fuel energy future 

"We've known about this molecule; we're not surprised that it exists but it's taken us more than 50 years to create it in the lab," said Dr Cassidy.

To make the molecule, Dr Cassidy and his team used a specially designed trap to store millions of the positrons.

A burst of 20 million were then focused and blasted at a porous silica "sponge".

"It's like having a trickle of water filling up a bath and then you empty it out and you get a big flush," said Dr Cassidy.

As the positrons rushed into the voids they were able to capture electrons to form atoms. Where atoms met, they formed molecules

At even higher densities, one might expect the material to become a regular, crystalline solid," wrote Professor Clifford Surko, of the University of Californian, San Diego, in an accompanying article.

Quote from: Prophmaji on September 18, 2007, 11:48:59 PM
Hhmmmm......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6991030.stm


Conventional thinking states that both antimatter and matter should have been created in equal quantities at the birth of the Universe.
The transient nature of antiparticles has made creating and studying di-positronium problematic.

Lasers fuel energy future 

"We've known about this molecule; we're not surprised that it exists but it's taken us more than 50 years to create it in the lab," said Dr Cassidy.

To make the molecule, Dr Cassidy and his team used a specially designed trap to store millions of the positrons.

A burst of 20 million were then focused and blasted at a porous silica "sponge".

"It's like having a trickle of water filling up a bath and then you empty it out and you get a big flush," said Dr Cassidy.

As the positrons rushed into the voids they were able to capture electrons to form atoms. Where atoms met, they formed molecules

At even higher densities, one might expect the material to become a regular, crystalline solid," wrote Professor Clifford Surko, of the University of Californian, San Diego, in an accompanying article.

doesn't seem like anti-matter, seems like matter. I wish they would explain these things like anti-matter, and other dimensions in a full way, believing in this stuff is like believing in religion.

The place I got mine was WHITE POWDER GOLD from chatanooga TN.I still havent been able to perform any tests on it to know if its the real thing or not.This WPG is in a solution NaOH and after it sits a while there becomes a solid chunk of wite stuff with the solution above it.They recomend to shake it up and and take drops a day.Ive often been tempted to remove the solution and test the white stuff but still havent found a sure fire way of knowing how to do that.

Resonant RF version of Hudson's fun stuff?

Hutchison's RF jellification of metals?

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hutchisoneffect.ca%2FPhotoGallery%2FSamples%2F8x6Metal%2520Sample3.jpg&hash=b262a62cd0d19e0ed889c7e2a46e6cea32dfaca4)

Hudson talks about levitation?

Hutchison does the same? At the same time it 'dissapears'? Just like Hudson's deforrmed atomic structures...the monatomic elements..

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hutchisoneffect.ca%2FPhotoGallery%2FDissappearing%2520Metal%2520Samples%2FDisappearing%2520Bar%2520Stock.JPG&hash=38ecbb73d791223ade14673f5d29816899fdf98e)

hmmmmm.

Those stretched rotating vortexes, they do some interesting things.....Just about anything you want them to....it seems.

And, apparently..there's lots of interesting universe..... just peeking around the corner.

Arc sputtering, or RF. One and the same effect is being worked on. The question is, what happens..when you combine the two?

So, tuned multi-frequency, multi-plane RF patterns work on dimensionality, matter, and gravitation.

Kinda takes the fun out the guesswork, doesn't it? :P

Hi people, here my share of open source

Ive been interested in Hudchison (hard to spell, lol) Crystal batteries and all his levitating and disapearing effects.

First , let me introduce some terminology :
Acient names :  ORMES / PHILOSOPHE'S STONE / STARDUST  / ... much more,
Modern names: WHITE GOLD POWDER / m-state / Monotomic Gold / Mono Atomic Gold ... much more,
The terms used basically refers to the same material type.

I beleive (got a flash last night) that Mr.Hudchison uses m-state material ( white power gold) as part of his effects.
Why do I say this?

If you go on his web site, he's mostly interested in Egyptien technology as he mention in his video's, specially the ARK of con.

"Here come my 2 cents:" What is the relation between the ARK of Convenience and A crystal cell accumulator in Hudchison interests or hobbies?

Well, if you look at his crytal accumulator video, it seems that he is using a special white power material in his making. Actually, this material really looks like "White Powder of Gold" or m-state powder.

This powder can be obtained for experimentor, you can purchase this stuff at the link shown below at a cost of 195$!!! (well it's gold, what do you expect!).

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.awakening-healing.com/images/Stuff_Equipment/White%2520Gold%25200071.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.awakening-healing.com/Healthy_Products/Healthy_Products.htm&h=504&w=469&sz=64&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=VXJ7ZeG-3nUS3M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWhite%2Bpowder%2BGold%2Bcrystal%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den (sorry for the image link)

This Monotomic Gold has some VERY interesting properties, like changing weight to 0 pound at certain temperatures [around +810c] (transportation), emitting white energy at specific freqs, disapearing and reapearing, imploding when burned. But what is most interesting to us (goal of this site) is the properties of electrical generation that can be harnessed. I see that Hudchison cells are a solution but I find that it's not a very practical way of having big cylinders of m-state powder in a future eletric car. Implosing properties can be more investigated.

I want to point out something that may put people thinking differently about "Radiant/Cosmos energy". Most people have some or no idear where free energy , the source of Ather/ Zeropoint or whatever you guys name it , is coming from.  Well I beleive that this energy comes from 2 combined theories:

1- Energy from our every stars that are located around our planet Earth.
AND
2- The energy levels (electrons) of a single atom that are mutated from one orbit to another.

Let me explain a bit more why I beleive this:

The Monotomic Gold has a property to disapear at a specific RF level of energy. Is goes into another dimention (4th maybe), or another location not located in our visible universe. One experiement was done to show that when is the powder disapeared and a we mixed the powder area where the m-state was last located with spoon, the re-apearing material was untouched, meaning it is not disapeared, it has been teleported (philadelphia experiment, another Hudchison's field of interest by the way).
When using the crystal accumulators we are opening a specific 4th dimention tunnel and transporting the matter (einstein theory) .

A probably answer to a Overunity device that the egyptians secrets kept a long time may reside in linking and understanding the following  3 videos :
1-John's H. ARK of convinience video
2-John's H. Crystal video
3-The secrets of the last ark video.

all 3 links are posted  at the end of this post.

We only need to find out what happends when you mix crushed quartz with the Monotomic Gold powder and burn it of RF it!!!.

Anyone willing replicate this experiment?


(m-state video )

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8520685849837442911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iBfpSnFe_8
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2542159238719492053&q=hutchison+effect+crystal&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2


Hutchison Crystal Cell

Zpoint Conversion
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8586204472391726318&q=hutchison+effect+crystal&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3


Egyptsion batteries
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5787522280823887082&q=hutchison+effect+crystal&total=7&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

  Time@0: 00 to 0:10 , He uses the term "Exotic stuff"

   Time@3:47 to END, Crystal building uses 2 cylinders and a white material (secret Lost ARK of Convenience principle!)
         Has crushed local picked up quartz and white powder burned togheter with a lighter.

(David Radius Hudson patent)
http://www.rexresearch.com/ormes/ormes.htm 

Fig 15
IRIHS Initial Weight 7.0191mg @ 10C
IRIHS Final   Weight -1mg   @810C (levitation)

Fig 16
IRIHS4 Initial Weight 7.0838mg @ 10C
IRIHS4 Final   Weight 1.25mg   @510C (weight reduction)

m-state products (powder form)
  http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.awakening-healing.com/images/Stuff_Equipment/White%2520Gold%25200071.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.awakening-healing.com/Healthy_Products/Healthy_Products.htm&h=504&w=469&sz=64&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=VXJ7ZeG-3nUS3M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3DWhite%2Bpowder%2BGold%2Bcrystal%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den


White Power GOLD (liquid form)
    http://www.whitepowdergold.com/

Voila!

Hope this generate a bit of thinking

All of this also supports the 'expanding earth theory'.** Yes. What does a person expect, but "from one ludicrious theory to another"? :P

**
http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

Some guy was watering his walnut trees with this "Ormus" and another guy was feeding it to his chicken... check it out.

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/giantnuts.htm (http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/giantnuts.htm)

Gold in it's metallic form requires 2 or more gold atoms bound together sharing a covalent bond between the atoms.

White gold... Orbitally Rearranged Mono-atomic Elements ORME (Ormus) is a single gold atom that is not bound to another atom and does not share a covalent bond with another. Thus Mono-atomic. Does not exhibit metallic properties with standard metal detecting instruments.

Don't eat it. It don't do shit for you... if you think it does its all in your head... Ears ringing?... thats the body trying to get the shit out of your body before it does any real harm.
:)

Wanna make some?.. heh.. Before you try it better study up... I recommend not trying. Fusion in a boat. hehehe. Try extracting minerals out of Morton Salt... that comes right out of The Great Salt Lake in Utah. If you don't mind the mercury scare you might enjoy the magnesium rush off it.

Have fun.

Nice pile of convincing evidence and science you've brought to the table, here.

I say there's FAR too much evidence FOR it to dismiss it and walk away.

I also say that these things should be well studied before dropping them as 'shit'....because they skip beyond one's personal level of emotionally based comfort.

So I..like a sensible researcher..will continue researching.

And people like you..will continue to detract and call it 'bull'. Based on WHAT evidence do you call it bull?

When following all known methods and possibilities within the idea of scientific method and available data, even data collected and created by others-instead of personal developments..the numbers and stories are too good.

I mean, hell.. people with access to every kind of story, fact generation system and lie known to man, who have attempted to 'pull the wool over our eyes'  in every theater available, be it science, politics, religion, etc...even they cannot create a story this solid, that is this 'leading edge', and also goes deeply into areas of science that are NOT YET UNDERSTOOD, but STILL meet the criteria for solid evidence. And, most specifically, I'm speaking about one generating their own research and their own logical considerations..under that method of research, heck, the story HAS to fall apart somewhere..there HAS to be SOME, even ONE single point where this story falls apart..SOMEWHERE, one single point, please!!!

But..it does not.

If you are frightened of where this may lead, please go hide form the bogeyman. I see none here. :)

I am advising EXTREME caution but I have yet to see a single point showing that this is 'crap' of any kind.

I've yet to see even one single point that does not fit, out of many logical conclusions and facts I have pulled out of many other sciences..MYSELF. Not stuff someone has fed me, not junk science and research that someone else has fed me, but ... long, complex fact searching and logical deduction.

If I can wander down 3-4 other paths in science -and I DO mean leading edge science, where the work is barely emerging...and this stuff fits it to perfection, in terms of the science behind it, and allows one to come to working, factual conclusions in other cutting edge new sciences..and come to NEW understandings that FIT PERFECTLY...well..then it doesn't seem like too much of a bullshit story now, does it??

Everything agrees. No cracks in the scientific armour yet. In over two years of HEAVY research. Not one single misstep yet, of ANY kind.   And that's the most impressive point of all.

So the Great salty lake has MERCURY in it, now..does it?

THANKS. I never knew that. One more FACT that fits.

You see... the story goes...to make the 'philosopher's stone', you need a electrolytic-like slurry that contains the gold, ie, some "Mercuric Sulfate (II), clean distilled water and highly dissolved levels of gold..and then..let this stew for about 30-40 days at about 120-90 degrees F..and then the conversion takes place. As I stated earlier in the thread. Mercuric Sulfate (II) provides the energetic reaction (a catalytic pressured state) to strip the gold structure down to it's individual atoms. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ciencia_lapidus1.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ciencia_lapidus1.htm)

So..the Great Salt Lake and the Dead Sea are the PERFECT conditions to create the monatomic 'salt of gold', so to speak.What the White gold is supposed to be..is..oxidized platinum metals groups (specifically gold, in this case).... that have been torn down by a catalytic reaction, over time, JUST LIKE Rhodium does..if left to it's own devices..if plated on something....too thin.*** Rhodium does this on it's own, which is why Hudson says it is the least common of the platinum metals group....and is the MOST common as a 'oxide', or ceramic montaomic element version of Rhodium. He says gold is the most difficult to convert, due to there being only one stable isotope of gold. The bonds are very strong. Basically.. you are doing something very much like 'sulfating a battery'..but using dissolved platinum metals group in the electrolyte. (dissolved salts of the platinum metals group, just like in the oceans...hhmmmm?..but we don't know how to 'get it out', they say?)

THANKS..for the stunningly perfect data to help add to the pile of evidence!!!! :)

*** As for the Rhodium plating issue concerning 'self oxidation', and all 'directions' it indicates, in terms of Hudson, etc, being true..that is something I discovered ON MY OWN, and there was not the slightest indication from anyone, in any texts connected to any of this white gold stuff-whatsoever, as to why Rhodium is the least represented of the platinum metals group, and the most common in Hudson's monatomic work.

A question, then comes up: How does this relate to the guys who are creating HHO gas..but have to build up an OXIDE LAYER on their stainless tubes..in order to achieve the vaunted efficiency? No one knows yet why the oxide layer is critical, but they know it has to be done, in order to achieve the effect (high efficency) they are looking for, the stripping of the oxygen from the hydrogen (or the hydrogen from the oxygen, whatever). Note that ceramics are being used in the latest experimental versions of fuel cells. Another nail in the coffin of 'disbelief'? We shall see...it is another point that is entirely anomalous that can very likely 'fit into' this puzzle. It needs to be researched. I will remember it,and when the time comes..and the required point rears it's head to provide perfect correlation, I'll be there, waiting to fit this piece into the puzzle, if indeed it fits. At this point, it shows every sign of supporting the evidence. Just like every point in science and human knowledge I've researched so far.

And we will continue to look.....with eyes wide open.

Amen!
Nicely put together "Prophmaji

Healers and goldenashpowder:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2173642525917926602
This video is about alternative healers and I have to warn the faint of heart that in the beginning their are some boobies in sight ( I am still not blind thank god) and I ask you to close your eyes when they come in sight.
The goldenashpowder starts at about 54 minutes.
Maybe you find this movie boring, I thought it was okay.

clearchrome, that link you posted was i got mine at.The bottles they show have been shake'n up.If that bottle were to be left undisturbed for a day the WPG becomes a solid in the bottom of the bottle.It becomes hard enough to break the glass dripper dispensor inside if shaken to abrubtly.I have some of that and want to know how to tell if its the real thing for sure.

White powder gold is bad news. It messes with your DNA in a bad way. Some people believe that the white powder gold being pimped today is the philosopher's stone of old. (aka elixir of life) - it isnt. LSD, cocaine and other substances, are well known to make the senses come alive in strange and amazing ways, but at huge cost to the body.

The philosophers stone can only be made by a long and tedious secret alchemical process that takes many days purifying sulphur and mercury in such a way that it forms the reddish purplish stone, which when taken heals all, and extends the life of anyone who takes it enormously.
The substance also has the ability to transmute base metals like lead into gold. So it is for health and wealth.

Ps: No, I don't know how to make it lol, if I did I would have done so already. But I have done a great deal of research on white powder gold and ancient alchemical texts. But I tend to think that the day that the world focuses more on trying to help his fellow man, instead of killing him, those out there that do know how to make it, might think us worthy of it. The power is inside you anyway, not in some powder.

i still watch fullmetal alchemist whenever i can! http://youtube.com/watch?v=i7thQRvR6oo http://www.fullmetalalchemist.com

and Ghost in the shell! :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f9uX6nt4g78
http://www.ghostintheshell.tv


;)


peace

Interesting stuff, I never even heard of white gold :D

This guy Red Elk, comments at the end of this section of video that a certain white gold, used in conjunction with a certain sacrifice will bring longevity.  Perhaps those ancient people who did sacrifices were for this reason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOiJYOpeGhY&mode=related&search=

Innovationstation, do you mean the Mayan calender, which ends on 2012?  I think they meant we will enter a new level of consciousness.  Its really complex stuff that they left behind, and its not all understood.  I think these guys exceeded us in some areas like spirtuality and things which are labeled fairy tails.

This guy says that people will enter a 4th density what ever that means, but it was interesting to hear this guy said.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2276698152408766929&q=project+camelot&total=69&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

This is an interesting read to say the least.

Excerpt:
"We heated the material at one point two degrees per minute and cooled it at two degrees per minute. What we found is when you oxidize the material it weighs 102%, when you hydro-reduce it it weighs 103%. So far so good. No problem. But when it turns snow white it weighs 56%. Now that's impossible. When you anneal it and it turns white it only weighs 56% of the beginning weight. If you put that on a silica test boat and you weigh it, it weighs 56%. If you heat it to the point that it fuses into the glass, it turns black and all the weight return. So the material hadn't volatilized away. It was still there; it just couldn't be weighed any more. That's when everybody said this just isn't right; it can't be.

Do you know that when we heated it and cooled it and heated it and cooled it and heated it and cooled it under helium or argon that when we cooled it it would weigh three to four hundred percent of it's beginning weight and when we heated it it would actually weigh less than nothing. If it wasn't in the pan, the pan would weigh more than the pan weighs when this stuff is in it."

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/presentations/portland.htm

The alchemical process is as outlined in the bit I last wrote. Apparently, it is that simple. No-one ever said it was difficult to make. What IS properly said, is that fools playing with it can damage or kill themselves playing with it, if they are unprepared. And don't be so damned foolish to think that you can make it, wash it properly so it is clear of any remaining effluents (mercury!!), and then consume it...without going to a place that others will see you as being completely 'mad'. In all seriousness, you might do great harm to yourself.

Here's the issue: Physiologically speaking, when part of the hard wired psychology of the mind needs be reformed, to align with new mental paradigms, the mental and thus chemical aspects or mental 'reformation' can and ARE SEVERE. A mental 'death' is a real as a physical one. In other words., for you to get your 'fecal matter all in one spot and newly arranged', you LITERALLY MUST die a internal psychological death, thus a re-wiring of the mental process in the physical sense and that...on the psychological interpretation by your inner self, WILL be understood as a TRUE death. This is besides all the issues of being able to understand the essence of multidimensional flow and temporal adjuncts to such issues. Multiple timelines, past lives, past existence, astral projection, dimensional projection, temporal anomalies, precognition, future life possibilities, other beings or 'aggregate spirits', singular spirits, etc. And on and on. For example, it can become powerful enough to manifest itself in precognition that shows up as visions of upcoming events, places in multidimensional time..that are 'nexus' points for multiple universes..that show up as 'ripples' in time, that can also be seen from NOW as they are future event paradigms.Ã,  What I mean is that a given event may span multiple universes in similar points of possibilities... and that 'event' can be seen as a ripple that stretches backward in time...and happens to be in the particular 'dimensional layer' that the thing you like to call YOU exists within. And you can, if properly prepared, see this event as a reflection, from the future. And it will NOT be exact, it cannot be, as it represent only POSSIBILITY..that becomes far more determinate as you move closer to the event. And your 'interpretation device' that thing you call yourself, or your mental aspects, will impart particular spin or feel into what you 'see'. Only one tiny aspect of it. There are other aspects of manifestation of multidimensionality that are far more interesting and enlightening.

Salvia Divinorium is one material that can illustrate such to a given person. TO give yo an idea, those who have tried such and basically passed out (multiple tries of the mint plant) and returned with ZERO understanding or 'opening of doors' to other possibility, are especially NOT mentally prepared or wired to understand such things. Basically, un-illuminated ground pounders who really don't understand much and are extremely unwilling to attempt to do so.

Be careful here. The vast majority of you, if you were to 'get there' it would be like a 5 year old suddenly appearing at the wheel of a 2-ton car, driving down the freeway at 120mph. A guaranteed disaster!!!

Be it known: NOTHING in your existence today, PERIOD...is even remotely adequate to even begin to illustrate the mental shift that a true understanding of multidimensionality can and will provide. Words, existence itself, is woefully inadequate to even begin such descriptions.

An article that, in the scientific sense, that illustrates that science and religion are once again, about to re-converge to their origins. Nothing new there. They always do.

written in the text I am about to provide, is the problem, as usual. People can't even being to THINK about it without loosing their minds. This is why the Buddhists teach one-on-one. People left to their own devices under the effects of such..can.. and usually do self implode.

One way to say it, one way out of thousands..is to say it is like teaching kittens to swim..by drowning them. Obviously, you are the kitten. Do you think you can swim? Part of the problem is the residual aspects of the monkey brain which interfere with the process. Fear. Fear of loss of pysicality, which arises from your current reality paradigm, and the overreach of the hindbrain, in the mechanistic sense of physical reality.Ã, 

Basicaly, I'm talking about largely gaining complete control of the subconcious mind, and all aspects of multi-dimensionality at the same time. That's a huge endeavor, to say the least. Which is why it should be tackled in stages. This is what the ancient schools, buddhists, etc all do. Consuming the white gold is likely to be like a crash course, largely akin to being thown off the roof of a 120 story skyscraper. You'd better figure it out before you hit the ground.


http://freespirits.chosenones.net/showthread.php?p=53850

Parallel universes make quantum sense

19 September 2007
NewScientist.com news service
Zeeya Merali

IF YOU think of yourself as unique, think again. The days when physicists could ignore the concept of parallel universes may have come to an end. If that doesn't send a shudder down your spine, think of it this way: our world is just one of many. You are just one version of many.
David Deutsch at the University of Oxford and colleagues have shown that key equations of quantum mechanics arise from the mathematics of parallel universes. "This work will go down as one of the most important developments in the history of science," says Andy Albrecht, a physicist at the University of California at Davis. In one parallel universe, at least, it will - whether it does in our one remains to be seen.
ââ,¬Å"This work will go down as one of the most important developments in the history of scienceââ,¬Â

The "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics was proposed 50 years ago by Hugh Everett, a graduate student at Princeton University. Rather than apply one set of rules to the subatomic quantum world and another to the larger-scale everyday world, as physicists tend to do, Everett wanted to apply quantum mechanical equations to everything. This had some startling consequences.
According to quantum mechanics, particles do not have set properties before they are observed. Instead, particles are described by "wave functions" representing many mutually contradictory properties. It is only when an observer measures a property that the particle somehow settles into one of these multiple options. The paradox is exemplified by Schrödinger's cat - the famous thought experiment in which a cat in a box can be said to be both alive and dead. It is traditionally thought that the act of observation, opening the box to check the cat, is what forces it to settle into a state, living or dead.
If, as Everett argued, quantum mechanics is applied to the whole universe, then it too should exist in a multitude of separate states. There would be a "multiverse" of parallel universes - one for every physical possibility. So when you open the box holding Schrödinger's cat, the universe splits, forming two new "yous" - one whose future involves viewing the live cat and the other who sees the dead cat.
Dismissed by the scientific establishment as ridiculous for decades, the many-worlds scenario may at last come in from the cold thanks to Deutsch's work.
The biggest criticism levelled at many worlds was that it seemed to make a puzzle about the outcomes of quantum experiments even worse. Physicists can predict the probability of getting a certain outcome from a quantum experiment from the square of its wave function, according to the Born rule. Nobody can explain why this rule works, it simply fits with experimental observations. The problem was there seemed to be no place for the Born rule in the multiverse. In fact, there didn't seem to be any space for any probabilities at all, says Deutsch.
"You toss a coin, but what does it mean to say that the probability of it coming up heads is 50 per cent?" Deutsch asks. "According to Everett, both outcomes must happen."
In the mid-1990s, Deutsch set out to put the uncertainty we see in quantum mechanical experiments back into the many-worlds scenario. Now, with additional work by Simon Saunders and David Wallace, also at Oxford, he believes they have succeeded. The trick is to examine a quantum experiment while excluding probability theory and accepting the many-worlds interpretation.
The multiverse has a branching structure, created as the universe splits into parallel versions of itself. The thickness of the branches can be calculated solely using deterministic equations, getting around the uncertainties usually associated with quantum physics. What the Oxford gang found is that the branching structure exactly reproduces the peculiar probabilities predicted by the Born rule. The branching also gives the illusion of probabilistic outcomes to measurements.
Deutsch believes this solves the problem of the origin of quantum probability once and for all. "Probabilities used to be regarded as the biggest problem for Everett, but ironically, they are now its most powerful success," he says.
"We've cleared up the obscurities and come up with a pretty clear verdict that Everett works," says Saunders, who is presenting the work with Wallace at the Many Worlds at 50 conference at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Canada, this week. "It's a dramatic turnaround and it means that people now have to discuss Everett seriously."
Albrecht agrees that the work will shake up physicists' worlds. "Many people are uncomfortable about the probabilities at the heart of quantum mechanics and attempt to get rid of quantum mechanics because of it," he says. "But this greatly amplifies the fundamental place of quantum mechanics in our understanding of the physical world."
David Papineau, a philosopher of physics at King's College London, says that he has been converted from scepticism about many worlds to belief, based on its potential to one day solve this puzzle of quantum probabilities. He adds, though, that the work by Deutsch, Wallace and Saunders must now be scrutinised. "It's an ambitious claim and so we have to be careful," he says. For Papineau, the problem is whether a belief in parallel universes should affect the way we live our everyday lives .
Max Tegmark at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has long been a fan of the many-worlds scenario. But while he believes the new work on probability should help convince physicists of its reality, it will never be enough to win over die-hard sceptics. "The critique of many worlds is shifting from 'it makes no sense and I hate it' to simply 'I hate it'," he says.
David Albert, a philosopher of physics at Columbia University, New York, is sceptical. He argues there is good reason to be wary because the Oxford group may be guilty of sleight of hand. "When you first hear about this you feel euphoric," he says. "But then you think, maybe this is too good to be true." He believes that it is irrelevant that Deutsch and his colleagues can show that branching universes give the illusion of probabilistic outcomes to measurements. What we really want to know, says Albert, is why this branching happens in the first place. "They have answered a question, but I think it's the wrong question," he says.
Wojciech Zurek at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico believes that the Born rule is exactly the right question to tackle. However, he believes that it can be answered without resorting to parallel universes. Zurek points out that Everett never used the term "many worlds" in his papers, and says that his work can be interpreted in less controversial ways.
Zurek is also inspired by Everett's ideas, particularly his insight that quantum mechanics must be applied to the entire universe rather than a limited quantum realm. He interprets this to mean that quantum entanglement - the process in which quantum particles can become inextricably linked and act in unison no matter how far apart they are - is a fundamental ingredient of quantum physics. Zurek has already used this property to explain why we see a single objective reality when we make a measurement of a quantum state (New Scientist, 30 June, p 18). Zurek says that entanglement can also be used to derive the Born rule (www.arxiv.org/abs/0707.2832).
"I could not have derived probability without using Everett," says Zurek, who is also presenting his work at the conference. "But at no point am I forced to assign equal reality to all other versions of the universe in the many-worlds scenario."
For Tegmark, the fact that many worlds is sparking such debate, 50 years after its conception, is a triumph in itself. He believes that physicists interested in quantum computing and cosmology are now warming to it. Will the majority be won over? "That depends on what parallel universe you live in," he says.
From issue 2622 of New Scientist magazine, 19 September 2007, page 6-7
Just another universe
Like Schrödinger's cat, you're locked in a box with a vial of poison gas. If a radioactive atom decays before someone opens the box to observe you, the gas will be released. According to the multiverse picture, in one future "you" will live, because the atom has not decayed, and in another "you" will die. So, should you be worried?
The issue of how we should feel and act when faced with a constantly splitting identity will be addressed by David Papineau of King's College London at a conference on the many-worlds scenario in Waterloo, Canada this week.
To start with, Papineau considers feelings of guilt and hope in the multiverse. Suppose that you are driving recklessly and narrowly avoid crashing into another car. "You might think 'lucky escape', but you should be feeling guilty about the passengers your other self has killed," says Papineau.
He also questions the use of hope. "You hope your football team will win a match, but that's meaningless - they both win and lose," he says.
Although each of our descendant selves is equally real, thankfully Papineau argues that their fates shouldn't affect our choices before we make them. We should be just as reluctant, or excited, about climbing into Schrödinger's box in the many-worlds picture, as we would be if we believed that only one outcome is actually realised.
Simon Saunders at the University of Oxford doesn't think that Papineau is wrong, but does think he is asking too much of us. "The multiverse will drive you crazy if you really think about how it affects your life, and I can't live like that," he says. His solution? "I'll just accept Everett and then think about something else, to save my sanity."

So just pop some ORMUS.. eat it, drink it, snort it... It will do the rest for ya. It dont matter who you get it from as long as you get it from someone on the internet, cause those sources are safe, cause if they wernt, the MIB would shut um down like right now. So if you try them all, you are sure to get the right stuff.

If that dont work... some get a hold of hydrochloric acid, nitric acid, salt, lye, a few flasks and several burners and have several batches going at the same time. Then ph7 the finished product after all the acid is gone and wash wash wash wash wash wash wash the final product till it looks like the real thing and taste away. Nothing like eating new life forms.

If ya really want to know if you got the real thing, and you got money to burn, you could buy yerselfÃ,  one of those DC arc emission spectroscopy units and burn that shit for 300 seconds and know for sure. Anything in the powder that burns off in the first 15 seconds aint mono atomic. Anything after that might be what your looking for.

Some kids like to get out in the yard and eat the dirt... mud pies etc. Bet they get more ORMUS than any of those suppliers. Go eat some dirt and see. Be careful of cat shit, you never know where you will run into that in the dirt. I warned ya.

Or maybe someone could get a hold of someones failed water fuel cell project and suck on their oxydized tube and see if that would do anything for um. Might spawn a new generation of tube sucking freaks on their way to ascension. Some would be sporting the 5-6 in tube... while others would be bragging about their 9 inch tube. Heard Stan Meyer had the whopping 11 incher. Dang Freaks Anyways.

I don't know about that Redish Purple Stone. Iv'e seen red phousphourus that looks a lot like something that might be the Stone. Heard it has like 27,000 isotopes... Meth Cooks use it to turn Ephedrine into Meth. Transmutation. It is used extensively in many of these types of transmutations.. not much said as to how it might be incorperated into a mix to turn lead to gold... maybe in a ball of wax dropped itno the hot liquid mix? ;) Go figure. That Foss is some tricky shit.

There's that word again... so many meanings. Don't want to ingest any of that foss though unless you want Fossy Jaw. And that is a bad thing.... Did I start a sentance with the word "And" again?. hmmm. They had to change the recipie for matches because of that Foss killin smokers. That was back in the day when smoking was REALLY bad for you.

Anyways... Someone once was messin with the Ormus and hydrogen fuel cells and came up with a way to charge water. The water, when touched, could shock a whole group of people all in a big circle and holding hands. One end of the circle would hold the plastic bottle with the charged water in it and the person on the other end of the circle would put their finger in the top of the plastic bottle and touch the water in it. BAM! the whole group would get a shock.

They were drinking the stuff for its healing properties and such. Claimed to have some Ormus in it too. Come to find out you could pour out the water from the plastic bottle and re fill it with tap water and get the same shock from it. Someone discovered that the charge was actually in the plactic bottle and the inside of the bottle had the negative charge and the outside of the bottle had a positive charge. This Deep charge would last for 9+ months and would be the life of any party. Zap... Zap... Zap. Zap. Weee.

Is, Was and Allways Will Be a Gas.

KEEP HAVING FUN

Catalyst puzzle solved

10 September 2007

Scientists have solved a long-standing mystery in catalysis ? why the catalytic activity of gold increases sharply as the particles become smaller than 5ââ,¬â€°nm while the opposite is true for platinum. Since catalysts are used at some stage in almost every major industrial process, the new result could have wide-reaching implications for gold as a catalytic material.

Platinum and most other noble metals are very good catalysts. Although gold was once thought to be the exception, scientists discovered in the 1980s that gold particles smaller than 5ââ,¬â€°nm were more active than other noble-metal catalysts for reactions like low-temperature carbon monoxide oxidation. In contrast, platinum nanoparticles smaller than 5ââ,¬â€°nm are less catalytically active. Until now, no one knew why this was the case, but a team of researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory have come up with an answer.
Gold clusters
Gold clusters

Calculations by team member Sergey Rashkeev (now at Idaho National Lab) show that the key difference between the behaviour of gold and platinum at the nanoscale is that although both metals bind reactants more strongly as the particle size becomes smaller, in platinum the binding becomes so strong that the reaction never proceeds at low temperatures. In gold, however, the weaker binding and flexibility of the nanoparticles allows catalytic activity to continue.

"Bulk gold is not very reactive, which is why it is so good for jewellery," team member Andrew Lupini told nanotechweb.org "but, low coordination sites on gold nanoparticles become much more reactive. Moreover, the gold nanoparticles become softer and more flexible at these small sizes, allowing the reactants to move and interact." He adds that it is this combination of being able to bind to reactants, while still allowing them to interact with each other that allows gold to be active on the nanoscale.

Lupini and colleagues employed a special aberration-corrected scanning transmission electron microscope (STEM), which held the record for the highest resolution image until very recently. The researchers were able to obtain images of gold clusters that showed them to be smaller and thinner than previously observed (see figure). They then used an extensive series of first principles calculations to determine the activity of sites with different coordination and how the number of such sites varied with particle size.

Applications for gold nanoparticles catalysts include respirators, reducing pollution in automotive applications and selectively removing carbon monoxide from hydrogen gas in fuel cells.

The team will now investigate novel ways of making such catalysts. "By combining catalyst synthesis and reactivity measurements with high-resolution STEM and first principles theory in one synergistic program, we hope to gain new fundamental insights into how they work at the atomic scale so that researchers can produce new catalysts for more efficient reactions and maybe cleaner, greener fuels in the future," says Lupini.

The researchers reported their work in Physical Review B. The research was sponsored by the US Department of Energy's Office of Basic Energy Sciences.
About the author

Belle Dum? is contributing editor at nanotechweb.org

Quote from: Rydan on September 23, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
White powder gold is bad news. It messes with your DNA in a bad way. Some people believe that the white powder gold being pimped today is the philosopher's stone of old. (aka elixir of life) - it isnt. LSD, cocaine and other substances, are well known to make the senses come alive in strange and amazing ways, but at huge cost to the body.

The philosophers stone can only be made by a long and tedious secret alchemical process that takes many days purifying sulphur and mercury in such a way that it forms the reddish purplish stone, which when taken heals all, and extends the life of anyone who takes it enormously.
The substance also has the ability to transmute base metals like lead into gold. So it is for health and wealth.

Ps: No, I don't know how to make it lol, if I did I would have done so already. But I have done a great deal of research on white powder gold and ancient alchemical texts. But I tend to think that the day that the world focuses more on trying to help his fellow man, instead of killing him, those out there that do know how to make it, might think us worthy of it. The power is inside you anyway, not in some powder.

Sorry to wreck your drug comparison party, but LSD does not have any physical effect on your body. It's effects are purley mental, and it does the oppisite of addiction. Infact, some reports say that LSD actualy decreases your liking for it every time. This could possibly mean a treatment for other drug addictions. Every thing you do can have a negative effect on your DNA. Diet Soda, Smoking, The SUN, all of these are bad for you in some way. But do they really matter? NO! Unless the powder is radioactive, which gold isn't, then it shouldn't have any noticable effect on  your body. Make sure you understand drugs before you talk about them. The easiest way to start a myth is by generalization.

I'd say he's not attacking the whole idea... but warning through sarcasm.

More fodder:

from physorg.com

FSU Physicist Shining a Light on Dark Matter
Weââ,¬â,,¢ve all been taught that our bodies, the Earth, and in fact all matter in the universe is composed of tiny building blocks called atoms. Now imagine if this werenââ,¬â,,¢t the case. This mind-bending concept is at the core of the scientific research that one Florida State University professor -- and hundreds of his colleagues all over the world -- are pursuing.

ââ,¬Å"Recent scientific breakthroughs have shown that most of the matter in the universe -- about four-fifths -- is not made up of atoms, but of something else, called ââ,¬Ëœdark matter,ââ,¬â,,¢Ã¢â,¬Â said Howard Baer, FSUââ,¬â,,¢s J.D. Kimel Professor of Physics. ââ,¬Å"The evidence for dark matter is now overwhelming, and the required amount of dark matter is becoming precisely known.ââ,¬Â

Baer explained that dark matter is believed to exist in the form of tiny particles that do not interact with light. Because they donââ,¬â,,¢t emit or reflect electromagnetic radiation the way atomic, or baryonic, matter does, these dark matter particles havenââ,¬â,,¢t been directly observed. However, scientists have long theorized their existence based on their gravitational effects on visible matter throughout the universe.

ââ,¬Å"For example, the gravitational effect of dark matter makes galaxies spin faster than one would otherwise expect,ââ,¬Â Baer said. ââ,¬Å"Also, dark matterââ,¬â,,¢s gravitational field distorts the light of objects behind it -- creating the so-called ââ,¬Ëœlensing effect.ââ,¬â,,¢ By measuring these sorts of phenomena, we can tell that the universe is full of some sort of ââ,¬Ëœstuffââ,¬â,,¢ that we just canââ,¬â,,¢t see.ââ,¬Â

Despite this progress, the exact identity of dark matter remains a mystery.

ââ,¬Å"Current constraints on dark matter properties show that the bulk of dark matter cannot be any of the known particles,ââ,¬Â Baer said. ââ,¬Å"The existence of dark matter is at present one of the strongest pieces of evidence that the current theory of fundamental particles and forces, summarized in the Standard Model of particle physics, is incomplete. At the same time, because dark matter is the dominant form of matter in the universe, an understanding of its properties is essential to determine how galaxies formed and how the universe evolved. Therefore, the discovery of dark matter is among the most important goals in science today.ââ,¬Â

A theoretical physicist, Baer employs mathematical models and calculations, as opposed to experimental methods, in an attempt to understand the basic properties of dark matter. To that end, he travels frequently to CERN, the worldââ,¬â,,¢s largest particle physics laboratory, located on the border between France and Switzerland. At CERN, teams of physicists from all over the world are preparing for the start-up of what will be the worldââ,¬â,,¢s most powerful particle accelerator, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), in 2008. With the LHC, they will conduct experiments that seek to solve some of the fundamental mysteries of science, including the identity of dark matter. In addition to searches at the LHC, the hunt for dark matter is progressing at experiments deep underground in Minnesota, under thick Antarctic ice, and even in outer space.

Donââ,¬â,,¢t expect any conclusive data right away, Baer said.

ââ,¬Å"The identification of dark matter will most likely not be immediate, but will rather unfold gradually,ââ,¬Â he said.

Baer also recently served on an advisory board charged by the U.S. Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation with developing a plan to ensure that the United States continues to be a world leader in efforts to detect and study dark matter. The Dark Matter Scientific Assessment Groupââ,¬â,,¢s whitepaper, ââ,¬Å"Report on the Direct Detection and Study of Dark Matter,ââ,¬Â will to a large degree establish the priorities and strategies for the detection and study of dark matter by U.S. scientists over the next decade or more. (Read more about the groupââ,¬â,,¢s scientific recommendations at http://www.science.doe.gov/hep/DMSAGReportJuly18,2007.pdf .)

Finally, Baer is making a lasting impact in the field of theoretical physics in another way. In 2006, he and a colleague, Xerxes Tata of the University of Hawaii, cowrote a physics textbook, ââ,¬Å"Weak Scale Supersymmetry: From Superfields to Scattering Events,ââ,¬Â which now is being used in university physics courses all over the world. (Read more about it at http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521857864 .)

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What did the Egyptians call it?

"The field of Mfkzt"

Or, as Laurnce Gardner would say it:

ââ,¬Å"From the royal tombs of pharaonic Egypt, to the laboratories of modern science, comes the extraordinary account of gravity defiance and teleportation in the ancient world. ââ,¬ËœThe Book of the Deadââ,¬â,,¢ refers to a hyper-dimensional realm called the Field of Mfkzt, which is now determined as a superconductive energy field of high-spin metallurgy. Liaising with modern physicists, Laurence Gardner has ascertained that mfkzt (known today as monatomic gold) was the secret of the pharaohsââ,¬â,,¢ rite of passage to the Afterlife, and was directly associated with the pyramids and the biblical Ark of the Covenant, as revealed by inscriptions at the Sinai mountain temple of Moses.

ââ,¬Å"With the old science now rediscovered, gold is fast becoming established as a logistically placed source material to the detriment of its traditional value as a currency reserve. As Laurence Gardner details, the advantages of the revived technology are astounding, especially in the fields of medicine and space travel, but the political and social implications of IMF-approved national bullion sales could be very threatening if not contained.

ââ,¬Å"No reason is given in the Bible as to why the Ark of the Covenant was so richly contrived. It is portrayed as having awesome and deadly powers, but these are not satisfactorily explained. There is, however, no mystery to the Ark. Laurence Gardner explains that its story is wholly related to the dynastic House of Gold ââ,¬â€œ the Messianic bloodline of ancient Grail Kings from the Old Kingdom pharaohs to King Solomon and the descendant Royal House of Judah ââ,¬Â¦

ââ,¬Å"In the field of quantum mechanics, NASA scientists have recently confirmed that matter can indeed be in two places at once. It is now an established fact that, through quantum entanglement, particles millions of light-years apart can be connected without physical contact. Space-time can now be manipulated; teleportation is becoming a reality; gravity-resistant material is now heralded for air transport, and virtual science has led to a greater understanding of hyper-dimensional existence ââ,¬Â¦ Gardner reveals that the keys to all this are: (a) Mfkzt ââ,¬â€œ referred to by the Institute of Advanced Studies as ââ,¬Ëœexotic monatomic matterââ,¬â,,¢, and (b) the amazing technology of Superconductivity ââ,¬â€œ acclaimed by the Center for Advanced Study as ââ,¬Ëœthe most remarkable physical property in the universeââ,¬â,,¢.ââ,¬Â

It might be good to remember that the 'dark of space' is actually...filled with monatomic sized particles.

That meisner field is something ain't it?... If it don't like you, it kills you ;)
That is why you need to eat lots and lots of mana (white gold) so every water molecule in your body will have a mono-atomic gold atom piloting it. at that point every cell in your body will be able to communicate with every single cell in your body and all of them will work as one to allow your body to heal anything that ails it.

With Mono atomic saturation like that you'll have your own build in meisner field. Takes one to know one. A walking Arc. Touch me I dare ya. ZAP!..  Wanna be my friend?.. if so then here.. eat this white powder. If not.. I'll ZAP ya again.

Anyone for Instantaneous combustion?.. here.. eat some mono atomic Iridium. Watch your life flash before your eyes. Oh... did I give you the Iridium?.. I meant to give you the Gold. Hey.. Look.. the sun is comming up! FLASH! Hey, what was that?.. Did you see that?... FLASH!   There it goes again... Did you see that?.. What was that? OOM FLASH!.. Run Back From Graveyard.

ummm so can you eat white powder gold or not? you guys are making it difficult.

is it good for you or bad?

should it be prepared somehow before you eat it? 

will it really heal you completely? grow your teeth back?

sorry im just a little lost.  :-\




peace friends

It SHOULD be a difficult choice whether one should eat some white powder or some liquid solution that someone else or some self claims or believes might truely be mono atomic Gold. "If it isn't the real thing, what will it do to me" one should ask him/her self. "If it IS the real thing, what will it do to me?" on the other hand. And "Do I want this change that comes upon me?" Whatever that change might be.

Or should I just read a few stories, true or not, look at a few pictures of what looks like a tooth that grew back, or maybe a picture of a cat that looks like it's tail grew back after being cut off, and say.. "Wow!.. if White Gold can do that for them, I wonder what it could do for me?"...  and then start chowing down on the powder?

What it comes right down to is this...
If one chooses to start injesting what is believed to be White Gold, it should be their choice and their's alone. Then there will be no one to blame but oneself if some undesired effect comes about. Or.. You could always blame your other self..

It should be noted that 90 percent of companies out there are selling a product marketed as white gold which is actually a gold chloride salt, a known chemical that has negative health effects. You have to find the REAL thing.
Also alot of people, and I mean alot (not necesarily my opinion) have called it into question due to the fact that the illuminati have tried to get large ammounts of people to injest the stuff throughout a couple points in history. Mono atomic gold is also not the only element with these properties, to take teh most of the effect, you must injest all the elements of this form in the ammounts they appear in nature, this can be found in different clays and salts......like pyroclay of pyroclay.com.........a negative resistor also apperently according to a new thread.

White powder gold... Here are some few thoughts about what this stuff is and what secrets its used for.

David Hutchisons mysterious white powder that he adds in his short movie about petroelectric manufacturing.

What the Joe cell uses to store its Orgone

Could be the material in the air that causes Balls of Lighting phenomena's

Rumored to be in crop circles.

It the third part of water (h2; o; ormus)

Connects to gravity

Could be what an orgone collector collects.

I am going to make a batch of ormus through the wet method. To first validate any of the claims of ormus I will test its superconductivity. After that I will test its properties to Tesla waves. I will then try to charge water with it.

If this material that I get from the wet method is indeed a super conductor that alone could help all OU machines. I will be actually making this stuff tomorrow. I will keep everyone posted on the updates.

would you be willing to share your method of doing this? I do have a chemistry background, but no experiance in this area

All about white powder gold ORMUS .
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/whatisit.htm

Quote from: stallman on October 03, 2007, 11:50:23 PM
White powder gold... Here are some few thoughts about what this stuff is and what secrets its used for.

David Hutchisons mysterious white powder that he adds in his short movie about petroelectric manufacturing.

What the Joe cell uses to store its Orgone

Could be the material in the air that causes Balls of Lighting phenomena's

Rumored to be in crop circles.

It the third part of water (h2; o; ormus)

Connects to gravity

Could be what an orgone collector collects.

I am going to make a batch of ormus through the wet method. To first validate any of the claims of ormus I will test its superconductivity. After that I will test its properties to Tesla waves. I will then try to charge water with it.

If this material that I get from the wet method is indeed a super conductor that alone could help all OU machines. I will be actually making this stuff tomorrow. I will keep everyone posted on the updates.

can you link some sources, I'v been researching OU for almost a year, and never heard about this white gold until this post. Joe would be an ass to not tell us he used white gold in his water.

I have heard that ancient alchemists used this stuff for all kinds of things.  Or at least, they claimed they did.

Bill

Modern physics has shown that the vacuum, previously thought of as a state of total nothingness, is really a seething background of virtual particles springing in and out of existence until they can seize enough energy to materialize as *real* particles. In high energy collisions at accelerator labs, some of the original beam energy can be consumed by ripping particle-antiparticle pairs out of the vacuum. Sometimes this process is the very reason for doing the experiment, but sometimes it is only a detriment.

http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2578

One more telling trace (for pondering) left behind, is the nature of glassy amorphous metals. crystalline. Again, the nature of room temp superconductors. Crystalline. Ceramic. What is this stuff, this "White Gold"?? Apparently....:Ceramic. Crystalline.

The state, or condition of the latest in Audiophile musings on 'the best sounding wire', is... 'crystalline glassy amorphous metals'.

Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 03, 2007, 02:40:54 AM
ummm so can you eat white powder gold or not? you guys are making it difficult.

is it good for you or bad?

should it be prepared somehow before you eat it? 

will it really heal you completely? grow your teeth back?

sorry im just a little lost.  :-\

peace friends

The problem with this one, is the high level of research required to get anywhere with it. I personally, will not take anything on anther person's word. I suggest that research is in order. It is complex subject that is -if it turns out well-going to take a person down a rather simple path. A path that is difficult to negotiate, easy to understand, difficult to deal with, etc.

So far, all I've heard in terms of supportive evidence, is evidence that has always fit the model of correct research and fact finding. All I've ever heard in terms of detractions, is emotional outbursts. This has been the story, for me, in this research, for three years now.

The wet method, is apparently the easier way to get to the product.

It is NOT a free ticket to physical nirvana, or fixing of teeth, etc. But..it DOES, apparently! reactivate both hemispheres of the brain into a controlled, aligned manner..which is a HUGE step for most people. you have no idea how huge....

Let me put it this way..for those who meditate and achieve a balanced set of cranial hemispheres..the increase in actual physical neural pathways, in terms of increasing capacity for intelligence, is definitely there. And, it can spiral out of control and increases dramatically. Remember, the brain chemically and physically breaks neural connectivity to painful old memories..all the time. It is also capable of the opposite, of creating new neural pathways based on emotions, ie, love, but..it is also capable of creating INTELLIGENCE....via the same method. And..to add..feedback of pleasure can be added to the 'epiphany' type character of 'discovery' and thus....the whole process of 'intelligence increase', can actually spiral out of control. In an upward fashion!! To achieve this, one must also remember that the body needs the correct fuel. IE good eating, good rest and health, exercise, etc. Sorry! No free rides. They all go hand-in-hand. It might bother a few folks to mention it, but one point is that I became so psychically aware that I was tuned off meat products completely. I could seemingly taste and feel the horrific death of the specific critter I was eating. As I was eating the meat. The furthest I could go, is fish and the odd bit of chicken.

One result of getting clear, is to deal with reconnection to ALL original 'hurts', of all sizes, including your birthing process. You'll have to deal with EVERYTHING.

I state, again, for the record, that I am INVESTIGATING this material,and that which surrounds it, in terms of emerging and evolving technologies. I have NOT consumed any. I have some that I bought, which was apparently created via similar methods as stated in the 'wet method', but using real gold, as opposed to other materials. I have consumed some of it, as a bit of an experiment, but due to getting myself clear on my own, it is difficult to understand if it had done much for me. (I spoke directly with the manufacturers of the product on it's origins and nature)  I don't know at this point, and  considerably more research is required on my part. And most definitely, one should do their own research, here, concerning this specific subject. There is no copying work here. Only individual choice.

I have read reports stating that many of the products on the market are not what they say they are, in the case of mono atomic gold, they are actually gold chloride, which is bad for you. Do you know of a way to differentiate without chemical analysis, titration or other chemistry based detection methods. I.e. do you know of a purchasing location that is reputable and sells real mono atomic gold, not gold salts.

This point is difficult to determine, unless it is a destructive test, spectroscopic, etc. One is best off learing to attempt the differing methods of creation, rather than the shortcut of someone else making it and buying that.

An extensive number of 'wet' methods:

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/GrailVine11-Gold.html

You should be able to make a considerable amount via one of those methods, with a maximum of ~ $50 investment.

According to this website:
http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic-gold.htm (http://www.purestcolloids.com/ionic-gold.htm)


A simple test to determine whether your "white powder gold" is actually just a chloride, is to add some drops of 1% silver nitrate, and see if a white cloud forms. You can find the AgNO3 in any chemistry lab, or even order it online. Hope your brain cells aren't dying from gold chloride. It could of course just be some other salt, and be worthless AND harmless. Good advice.

Yet, this website is selling their own products with their own claims of "our stuff makes you smarter, etc." Perhaps that is true, as you will learn from your mistakes when getting scammed.

Or you could introduce it to a house plant that is known to be very salt intolerant.

If you have a 'jack and the beanstalk' moment  :o the next morning you know you have the golden goose!  ;)

Failing that, just get rid of your television. A known suppressor of brain function. (see attached) Proved on a personal level.

I removed mine from my life 14 months ago. What a revelation! I have know found myself doing things I would never have dreamed of.

Finding this truly forward-thinking forum is one of them.

bourne:

I find that a facinating statement about cutting out the TV in your life.  I have realized similar results myself by cutting way back on viewing.  About 2 years ago, about the only things I watch are NOVA specials on PBS and an occasional DVD movie from the library. I have more time and brain energy (such as it is) to apply to other pursuits such as this forum and related experimenting. I am glad you posted that.

Bill

Yep, I own no TV. Hurts the brain. But not as much as gold chloride.

14 monitors  NO TVs  here.

I stumbled on this today. A bit offtopic, but..

http://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/viewmessage.asp?no=15734283&t=0&all=0&TableID=0

+1 for colloidal silver, and Dr. Robert Beck

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http://www.panamericansilver.com/silvermarket/silver_uses.htm

http://www.firstmajestic.com/s/SilverUses.asp

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/KFrost.htm

This is mucho relevant due to the fact that gold  and the platinum metals group is deeply tied to quartz via 'association' in mining terms.   They say, even in books like the bible, of 'gold quartz'. Glassy metals, ceramic superconductors, levitation, altered states, etc, etc, etc. Hudson speaks of all these mentioned tricks that are in the supplied article, when he speaks on the monatomic gold. It all fits. Again.

Once again, it all ties directly in. Again.

Not one single slip up, of any kind, when it comes to explaining phenomena. This after 3 years of research.

Again, this one article spells it out..again. And again. And again.

I've known of this particular association, right from the beginning (the article above). I'm just drawing the lines between the dots for you guys.

Are any of you starting to get this stuff yet? It's pure science. No doubt. Except it leads to areas that bring science and mysticism, religion, etc, all together.

I am weary of a lot of mono atomic element salers due to the fact that I have heard alot of them are actually salts of the elements in question. do you know of reliable places to purchase said elements?

 :o http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web2/ctraversi.html

That is colloidal silver, not monatomic silver. The particles are too large, and cause issues over time, from overconsumption. Ie, the foolish thought that if some is good, more must be better. Once again, that is not moantomic silver, it is colloidal silver. An entirely different beast. However, there is a small amount of 'illumination' that can come from the consumption of properly prepared colloidal silver. It requires very slowly made, highly diluted mixtures,  and the usual of exercise, healthy eating, meditation. No alcohol, cigarettes, or drugs. Then it might take place, and it does, slowly, over time.

Like anything else, it requires proper activity, behaviour, and, in this case, patience.

Quote from: FreeEnergy on October 11, 2007, 05:28:16 PM
:o http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f02/web2/ctraversi.html

algeria is just silver particals in the skin, think about how many glasses it would take to get that? I'd say 80 at least, with thick particals. now take 80 times the dose of anti biotic's, and see what that does. According to the Bob Beck video, Colloidal silver used to be a product until resently when the FDA banned it, so there would have been much research into it. FDA banned it because it could cause algeria, don't that sound like a stupid excuss? when any of their drugs when taken too much could cause death?

The FDA is a joke, with Bushies and Neocons placing their patsies and monied friends as heads of such agencies, it is no different than Hitler and friends placing corporate buddies as heads of different branches of government to get things done the way they want them to be done. Concerning the FDA, this is most definitely true.

The head of such is a personal friend of the whitehouse and is there only to put through any drug that is placed in front of him. He has rejected nothing. All drugs have passed muster, no matter how deadly. profits. At the same time, all homeopathic cures known by millions after thousands of years of research and success via billions cured and helped....have been declared illegal. Can't make a profit off of them.......

Look at the record of drugs passing muster before bush came to power vs after, when this idiot was named head of the FDA. They have a name for this, it is literally the dictionary and encyclopedic definition of 'facism'.

As for the subject of the thread: Alchemy.

Did you know 100,000 books have been written on the subject?

"clay made from ancient volcanic ash found near the Massif Central"

Remember the story, earlier in the thread about Mt. Pinatubo, in the Philippines. How the fresh ash from the eruptions causes farmers to risk their lives to plant again, even while the ash is still falling and the mountain is still trembling. Instead of 2 crops per year, they would get 3, almost 4 crops per year, of the largest, healthiest fruit and all bumper crops, humongous, etc.

There are certain types of soil and materials, where the montaomics are more prevalent. Read the article, for more illumination.

http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article3104663.ece

Patterns begin to emerge.

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French muck: Is this the new penicillin?
MRSA is the scourge of the country's hospitals, but now the discovery in France of a volcanic clay with miraculous healing properties raises the prospect of a cure for it, and to other dangerous superbugs
By Paul Rodgers
Published: 28 October 2007
Scientists have discovered a new and highly effective weapon against deadly superbugs like the MRSA sweeping through Britain's dirty hospital wards ââ,¬â€œ green French muck.

The dramatic antibiotic success of agricur, a clay made from ancient volcanic ash found near the Massif Central, marks it out as a potential rival to penicillin, the wonder drug of the 20th century. In experiments, the clay killed up to 99 per cent of superbug colonies within 24 hours. Control samples of MRSA (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) grew 45-fold in the same period.

The clay has a similar effect on other deadly bacteria tested, including salmonella, E. coli, and a flesh-eating disease called buruli, a relative of leprosy which disfigures children across central and western Africa. It has been classed as "an emerging public health threat" by the World Health Organization (WHO).

MRSA is also a growing concern. Since the early 1990s, deaths in the UK have risen sharply from fewer than 100 annually to more than 1,600 in 2005. The Governmentrecently announced new measures to deep clean all hospital wards in an attempt to cut the number of infections.

Many other bacteria have also developed resistance to medicine's arsenal of antibiotics, largely because patients stop using prescribed drugs when they begin to feel better rather than finishing their course of treatment, allowing the hardiest bugs to survive and spread. Some bacteria are now resistant to a spectrum of drugs. As a result, the developed world is starting to see the return of diseases, such as tuberculosis, that had been all but wiped out a few decades ago.

Scientists have been searching for new antibiotics to replace penicillin, methicillin and their relatives but until now have had only limited success. Agricur's discovery could lead to a whole class of antibiotics to which bugs such as MRSA have no resistance, according to scientists.

Dr Lynda Williams and Dr Shelley Haydel of Arizona State University will present the results of their research on agricur and other clays to the Geological Society of America's annual meeting in Denver tomorrow.

"We have found several antibacterial clays," said Dr Williams, a mineralogist who is trying to work out the chemicals that make them special. "We have multiple working hypotheses. Our primary hypothesis is that the clay minerals transfer elements, not yet identified, to the bacteria that impede their metabolic function. (Elements? Nice choice of words.)

"It is entirely possible that it is not one single element that is toxic to the bacteria, but a combination of elements and chemical conditions that attack the bacteria from different angles so as to overwhelm their defence systems," she said.

Another possibility, less likely but potentially more significant, is that the clays work through a physical rather than a biochemical process. In that case, bacteria might never develop resistance.

Clay has long been used as a health treatment in spas, but that is because it holds heat longer than water, and draws toxins out of the skin. Clay is also sometimes eaten as a folk remedy for nausea. "It's fascinating," said Dr Haydel, a microbiologist. "Here we are bridging geology, microbiology, cell biology. A year ago, I'd look at the clay and say, 'Well, that's dirt.'" (Yes. This is exactly what Hudson said.)

The effectiveness of the French green clays, which are mostly made of minerals called smectite and illite, was first demonstrated by Line Brunet de Courssou, a French doctor fighting buruli at clinics in Ivory Coast and Guinea.

When she approached the WHO in 2002 with 50 case studies showing how the flesh-eating disease had been halted by her clay poultices, the organisation described her work as "impressive" but denied her funding because of a lack of scientific evidence. After de Courssou's death, her son, Thierry, went looking on the internet for scientists willing to test agricur and found Dr Williams, who has specialised in the study of clay.

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This means that the most valuble land in North America..is right around......Mt. St. Helens.

I checked on this.

Sure enough, within the same year, even from under 5-6 ft. of ash, plants just sprung up all over the damn place!!!!! Sexy plant life explosions!

Hhhmm. Mt. Ranier park area. Hmm. Highest number of UFO reports in the USA. hmm.. Idaho. Best crop growing lands in the US. Hhmm.. Nearly the same, just across the border, into Canada.

Same for the Massif Central, and Bordeaux France. hhmmm. The place or area, where the larger part of France's psychics come from, ie, born there. Bordeaux. Wine. Grapes. Grapes, known as measuring among the highest content level of monatomics. Also - Marintime Pine Bark. Extremely high in content. French is best. Care to guess where?


Time to do a map of the birth locations of the world's genii (plural for Genius)

Mt. St. Helens blows it's top, 1980. $100 says that the kids born in that area, since, are notably more intelligent....and psychic.

Maybe the alien sightings have to do with 'refuelling', piss stops, and beer buying. Maybe get in a bit of fly fishing. Those guys might like a place where they can get out, stretch their legs, nice warm and an actual atmosphere, with heat, too. Can't beat that. Free fuel and goodies, for the taking, just lying all about, on the ground, everywhere. Why not? Grab some stuff. Apparently, there are bases there, too. Underground ones. Lots and lots of sightings.

But time is not linear, nor are dimensional barriers exact. So the sightings might be out of sequence. Just to add a miserable twist to the whole thing.

David Hudson told you this, in 1989, concerning the 'ceramic form' of 'oxidized gold' or, 'white gold', aka..the Philosopher's Stone.This..as the white powder is cooled and heated. So, it isn't real unless some scientist does a test and 'tells you so'? Bullshit!!!!!

Or..do they really mean they are telling you how gravity works? hhhmmmmm? :

http://www.physorg.com/news113146663.html

Rutgers physicists show how electrons 'gain weight' in metal compounds near absolute zero
A molecular model of the material studied by Rutgers physicists. In this representation of the crystal structure of CeIrIn5 the red gold and gray spheres correspond to cerium iridium and indium. Credit: Rutgers University
A molecular model of the material studied by Rutgers physicists. In this representation of the crystal structure of CeIrIn5, the red, gold and gray spheres correspond to cerium, iridium and indium. Credit: Rutgers University

Rutgers University physicists have performed computer simulations that show how electrons become one thousand times more massive in certain metal compounds when cooled to temperatures near absolute zero ââ,¬â€œ the point where all motion ceases. The models may provide new clues as to how superconductivity works and how new superconducting materials could be fabricated.
In a paper posted to Science Express, a Web site of research reports slated for upcoming print editions of Science, the researchers describe how electrons interact with other particles in these compounds to morph into what physicists call a fluid of ââ,¬Å"heavy quasiparticlesââ,¬Â or a ââ,¬Å"heavy fermion fluid.ââ,¬Â While this effect has been previously observed in some materials, the Rutgers work employs new materials to provide a level of detail that has eluded scientists so far.

ââ,¬Å"In this paper, we essentially track the fate of electrons as we lower the temperature,ââ,¬Â said Gabi Kotliar, Board of Governors Professor of Physics in the School of Arts and Sciences. ââ,¬Å"Experimental physicists may have seen different aspects of this behavior, or they may have seen behaviors they did not understand. Our calculations reconcile what theyââ,¬â,,¢ve seen.ââ,¬Â

The Rutgers researchers based their models on experiments using a new metallic crystalline compound made of the elements cerium, indium and iridium. This and similar compounds that substitute cobalt and rhodium for iridium are excellent test beds for observing heavy electron behavior.

Earlier investigations used high-temperature superconducting materials called cuprates, which failed to give physicists a clear view of electron behavior because of disorders in the crystalline structure caused by doping. The new cerium-based compounds are simpler to study because they are free of dopants.

ââ,¬Å"The new compounds are for us what fruit flies are for genetics researchers,ââ,¬Â said Kristjan Haule, assistant professor of physics and astronomy. ââ,¬Å"Fruit flies are easy to breed and have a simple gene makeup thatââ,¬â,,¢s easy to change. Likewise, these compounds are easy to make, structurally straightforward and adjustable, giving us a clearer view into the many properties of matter that arise at low temperatures. For example, we can use a magnetic field to kill superconductivity and examine the state of matter from which superconductivity arose.ââ,¬Â

These compounds are examples of strongly correlated materials, or materials with strongly interacting electrons, that canââ,¬â,,¢t be described by theories that treat electrons as largely independent entities. The terms ââ,¬Å"heavy quasiparticlesââ,¬Â refers to how electrons interact with each other and, as a result of those interactions, form a new type of particle called a ââ,¬Å"quasiparticle.ââ,¬Â

In explaining how this effect appears at low temperatures and vanishes at higher ones, Haule noted that electrons in f-orbitals are tightly bound to cerium atoms at room temperature. But as the temperature drops, the electrons exhibit coherent behavior, or delocalization from their atoms. At 50 degrees above absolute zero, or 50 degrees Kelvin, the researchers clearly observe quasiparticles as electrons interact with each other and other electrons in the metal known as conduction electrons.

Source: Rutgers University

Quote from: Prophmaji on October 05, 2007, 11:35:50 PM
This point is difficult to determine, unless it is a destructive test, spectroscopic, etc. One is best off learing to attempt the differing methods of creation, rather than the shortcut of someone else making it and buying that.

An extensive number of 'wet' methods:

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/GrailVine11-Gold.html

You should be able to make a considerable amount via one of those methods, with a maximum of ~ $50 investment.

Actually, it can be done for about $15.00

Here's a video on the same above mentioned wet method:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1456653212785284275&q=philosopher%27s+stone+-harry&total=89&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

here's the whole thing.

In very specific detail.

Download this entire site.

You may never see anything like it again. Period.

http://www.philosophicalmercury.page.tl/Home.htm

Hello guys this is my first post and would like to know about David Hudson, what happened to him?  The last I heard he had heart problems and stopped research if I am not mistaken, one makes the assumption that he was taking the WPG, but in that case why did he end up having a disease that many mere mortals have to contend with? If he didn't take the WPG then it also doesn't look good for him as he's experimented and researched so much on this WPG and yet doesn't take it himself? Or these are lies that are drifting around about him, who knows!  Who Knows?

Does Sir Gardner take the WPG, if so which one?

Have any of you guys had experience with WPG, m-state material, monatomic etc, I am very interested to know, I am not here to be negative or talk people down or have arguements I genuinely am interested but like many I am not sure which is the real stuff, thanks in advance for any advice.

You can also PM if you like. :)

Oh IC, One guy told me that we create m-state material inside our own bodies when we meditate and reach higher states of consciousness, all the wonderful effects attributed but not proved so far by WPG, monatomic elements etc also is experienced (and not proved) by serious meditators or Yogis etc, I assume the Melatonin increasing effects of WPG and shutting the eyes during meditation are the link here, i.e. both produce more Melatonin, and hence the spiritual, esp, etc states - just a thought :-\

Read everything on the website I listed one post (post of mine) back. Then you will know some of what it is that you actually seek. :)

Immortality is not really a workable enterprise from this mortal coil. The point is to be mortal and to repeat your lessons until done.

Immortality breaks that chain. It is for those who have ascended and no longer need it. Such is life!   :-\

If one has achieved immortality in this plane, then they are likely committed to an assignment rather than a life.

Thanks Prophmaji, will do - read the posts that is. Sorry guys if I've come to this thread late on, I'll have a look at what others have said and similar posts.

Is it the philosophicalmercury site? I tried many times to acees it but no luck ... The page cannot be displayed, does it work on your end? I am in Beijing, China maybe just a problem from my end.  Is this what you meant though? http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/mht/mht16.htm

It has this kind of data, and plenty of it!:



The Philosophical Mercury



This quote is from "Alchemistical Compositum" by Saint Dunstan:

"Extract the salt of the crude and white calcined tartar; purify and clarify it often, till it be as bright as the tear of the eye, and can be brought no higher; therewith you may sharpen its own Spirit of Wine, which dissolveth Sol (gold) and Lune (silver). "


And below I have explained what this means:


1. When tartar is strongly heated (calcined), it becomes potassium carbonate. To extract it's salt and clarify it, you dissolve it in water and wait for the impurities to settle out, then filter and evaporate. This will give clear potassium carbonate crystals with sodium chloride impurity.

2. Now using the raw non-rectified golden acetone (Spirit of Wine) obtained from dry distillation of potassium acetate, you digest it with the potash crystals for a Philosophical Month (6 weeks) and a yellow residue forms. The acetone is distilled to separate it.



As far back as the time of Raymond Lully and Isaac Hollandus in the 1200s, we see the use of acetone made from acetate salts as a special "Mercury" to dissolve gold down to it's first matter. In fact, in 1842 Jonathan Pereira published a book titled "The Elements of Meteria Medica and Therapeutics" and in it he plainly admits Lully and Hollandus were well aquainted with the use of lead acetate to make acetone in the 13th century (page 806). He also explains how it was being produced in 1842: London College - powder lead oxide is dissolved in a warm mixture of acetic acid and water then strained and evaporated to form crystals of lead acetate. Edinburgh College used Pyroligneous Acid (acetic acid and methyl alcohol) with distilled water and lead oxide (litharge). That is an acid which can be obtained by the dry distillation of wood, which is interesting since potassium hyroxide can also be obtained by calcining the remaining wood to ashes. Then potassium acetate can be created and used to make the Philosophical Mercury solvent. And since it can in this way be obtained from a prime materia "which is found everywhere but ignored by everyone" this may indeed be one of the methods used by some of the oldest alchemy processes. The pyroligneous acid can be purified and seperated from the methanol and other poisonous contaminants by fractional distillation and an acetic acid is obtained which has medicinal properties unlike normal acetic acid. Click here for the 1991 US patent which actually gets it's idea from a 1903 patent by Gustav Glock of Berlin, Germany.
The very fact the production of acetone was kept secret until around 1700 is proof of just how special this solvent is; as well as the fact hardly any information at all can be found about the chemical byproducts of this process. Why is something this incredible ignored?
This is the radical dissolution of gold without corrosion, which was achieved through the raw oil of the Acetone, called the Acetone aerrimum and the Dissaeveus Auri.
This "Mercury" dissolves gold, but the acetone chemical itself does not work this miracle. It is the byproducts formed during the dry distillation of certain acetate salts. As the acetic acid molecule is converted to the acetone molecule by the catalytic action of the metal ions, many other byproducts are produced, which is what we are after. So it is a mistake to try and obtain pure acetone chemical from this Philosophical Mercury using special refinning distillations because that would only weaken it by seperating out the very chemicals required to dissolve the gold, leaving only the acetone.
The acetone produced by this process of dry distillation contains "impurities". It is these impurities we must investigate furthur to discover which one does the action of dissolving the gold. Here is the list of known byproducts:

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      Mesityl oxide - a ketone with the formula CH3C(O)CH=C(CH3)2. It is a colorless, volatile liquid with a strong peppermint odor. It produced when the acetone is condensed in the presence of a catalyst. This type of self-condensation gets extremely complex.
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      Isophorone - colorless to yellowish liquid with a characteristic smell. It forms from the mesityl oxide as the condensation reaction continues. Isophorone also occurs naturally in cranberries.

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      dumasin (cyclopentanone) - C5H8O - a colorless liquid organic compound with a peppermint-like odor. It is a cyclic ketone, structurally similar to cyclopentane, consisting of a five-membered ring containing a ketone functional group.

Since acetone is not what has the power to dissolve the gold, these chemicals on the list must be worked with until it is discovered which one can dissolve gold. And since the raw acetone distillate is digested with a strong alkali (potassium or sodium hydroxide) it is furthur altered to produce more of these byproducts.

There is one chemical that has not be identified. It distills at 90?C and therefore cannot be one of chemicals on the above list. According to Fittig in "About Acetone" 1858. page 48, one oil distills at 90?C(194?F); the other one, Dumasin (cyclopentanone) at 120?C (248?F). There is also an iridescent oil which is left behind after the other oils are distilled, and it may play an important role.






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Make no mistake about it; these chemicals are poisonous. They should NOT be ingested even though isophorone does occur naturally in small quantities in cranberries. This "Philosophical Mercury" should be treated just like it were mercury metal. And even though the aroma is a pleasant peppermint, inhaling the fumes can be detrimental to health and even cause unconsciousness. Yes there are indeed old alchemy texts which make a dissolution of gold and then say the liquid can be ingested as is, but those poor men knew not what we know today. The MSDS sheets for these chemicals explain the dangers. Even the modern alchemist Frater Albertus dissolved gold in his Philosophical Mercury and then claimed one should put a few drops in a glass of wine and drink up. While the gold may have been beneficial in that dissolved form, the chemicals of the Philosophical Mercury were most certainly causing problems for his body which went unnoticed until the time of his death.

Lead acetate should NEVER be used to make this Mercury because it creates poisonous lead fumes.  Potassium, sodium, calcium, barium, and zinc will all work. Most acetates of metals will only release acetic acid when overheated instead of converting the acetic acid molecule to acetone. Copper acetate for instance, will only release acetic acid when heated.
         
DISCLAIMER: This website is for information purposes only.

Metal Calxes

The old alchemical maxim of "Dissolve et Coagula" which means dissolve and coagulate, is what this pH Swing Process does.

Most commonly, calxes were made by amalgamating mercury metal with the metal to be calcined, and it the mercury was this distilled out. The mercury dissolves the metal each time, and the amalgamations are repeated until a fine calx is formed. Typically with gold this would produce a red calx which is nothing more than finely divided gold.

And even though this method of using acids and bases to dissolve and precipitate the gold may seem modern, it was actually used in old alchemy also. After the gold was dissolved in Aqua Regia, they would precipitate it using "oil of calcined tartar" which is potassium carbonate that has been exposed to humid air and allowed to absorb water, and they did indeed refer to this precipitant as the calx of gold.
Q: What is the "pH Swing" process?
A: When the pH of the gold solution is adjusted from 1 to 14, and then back down to 1, this is one single "pH Swing". It breaks down the size of gold clusters so each one contains less atoms bound together. As this happens, the color will change. The gold is in the chloride form when the water is acidic and chlorine is present (hydrochloric acid) and it's a hydroxide when the water is alkaline. The goal of making monatomic gold is to break the gold all the way down to just 1 atom, at which point it will no longer exhibit metallic porperties. The bond holding the last 2 atoms together has an energy of -2.5 eV (electron volts). This can be broken appart using sodium metal that is allowed to ignite and gernerates the intense energy required to break the bond. It's reffered to as the "Sodium Burn Process". But water molecules also chain together to generate the required energy level in this wet chemistry technique.

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Pic. 1

Gold is dissolved in Aqua Regia, and the acid is evaporated to form crystals.

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Pic. 2

Water was added to dissolve the crystals and the pH adjusted to alkaline while stirring. This removes the nitrates and gets the gold ready for dissolving in pure HCl acid so you know there is only gold chloride in solution. Here you can see the dark purple gold hydroxide precipitant swirling around.
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Pic. 3
The precipitant was washed to remove salt and lye. The gold is allowed to settle on the bottom each time.
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Pic. 4
And here you can see how the gold preciptant looks almost black. With more pH swings it precipitates as a fluffy powder, but in these begining stages, it is clumped together and very heavy. This is because the gold clusters are still made up of thousands of atoms bound together.

Pic. 5
After 50 pH swings the gold has become a white powder.

Pic. 6
After 100 swings the gold was allowed to dry in a wide crystallization dish, and it formed these little crosses. The same peculiar crosses form when the process is done on copper.

Q: How is the pH Swing done?
A: It is strongly recommended that the pH Swing process be performed on your gold before it's used in the Red Tincture process because this will enable far more gold to convert to the red form. Using the process I describe here, you will quickly and easily be able to obtain a white precipitant after only 10 pH swings. The ratios of water to gold and the use of lye solution instead of pure sodium hydroxide crystals is what make this process work better. Follow the instructions exactly. If you don't use the suggested quanities of water you will obtain many different colors instead of a white powder.

After the gold metal has been dissolved into a chloride form, the acid is evaporated using low heat (150F). The crystals are not allowed to dry completely because they will most likely become scorched from the heat source, and won't dissolve in water (and then you will need to redissolve the gold in Aqua Regia). Because there will be some acid left in the beaker, quite a large volume of water needs to be added for dilution. Using 1/20th to 1/10th an ouce of gold, the crystals/acid should be dissolved in at least 700ml of water.

100 grams of sodium hydroxide is dissolved in 1 liter of water to make a lye solution. Water weighs 1 gram for every milliliter (labeled as "cc" when reffering to drug dosage. cc = cubic centimeter). This first pH swing will require a lot of lye solution to bring the pH up to alkaline. It should only be brought up to 8.5 since gold hydroxide will redissolve in strongly alkaline water and you will be washing the precipitant. Purple gold hydroxide will precipitate to the bottom. When this precipitant is settled, the top water is poured off and saved in your "wash water" beaker. Add new water to the precipitant beaker, and once the precipitant is settled pour off the water again (saving it in the wash water beaker). This cleaning process removes the sodium hydroxide and the salt which formed from the reaction of hydrochloric acid and NaOH. Once the pH is neutral, pour most off the water, being careful not to loose your precipitant. There will be around 200ml of water remaining if you are using a 1 liter beaker. This can be transferred to a smaller beaker, then when the precipitant settles again, the excess water is easier to pour off (decant).

Now a few milliliters of hydrochloric acid is stirred into the precipitant. After swirling the solution around (erlenmeyer flask is good for this), the gold hydroxide dissolves to become gold chloride again. The pH is raised up to 14 now because you won't be washing the precipitant yet. After the pH is adjusted from 1 to 14 and back to 1, this is a single pH swing. During the first few swings, it will be very easy to see when the solution is alkaline because it will turn purple and you can easily see the fluffy gold hydroxide. As you continue it will become increasingly difficult to tell what the pH is by eyesight and pH paper should be used (Don't dip it dirrectly into the solution; use a dropper to drip a sample onto the pH paper).

After 10 swings, there will be a substantial amount of salt that has been created by the reaction of sodium hydroxide and acid. It's essential to remove this salt with washes just like you did after the first pH swing. The gold clusters are now so small they will be white, and will attached themselves to bubbles, which makes them float to the surface. The water will look clear and it will seem as though your gold has dissapeared. Fear not. Dilute the solution back up to 1 liter. Then just place the solution on gentle heat and let about 100ml of water evaporate, then let it cool back to room temperature. Now you will be able to see white gold hydroxide precipitant falling to the bottom. Tap the beaker to shake any precipitant floating on the surface so it will decend to the bottom. Don't bother trying to get creative using a centrefuge because that would also force the salt to the bottom of the tube and defeat the purpose of the washings.

At least 100 pH swings should be performed on the gold. This may sound like a lot of work, but once you get the hang of it, you will be able to do 10 pH swings in 30 minutes. When you have your white precipitant, it will be gold hydroxide broken down so small it appears white because it's actually not reflecting any color and is clear. This is what is sold on the internet as "White Powder Gold" but it is not yet monatomic gold; it's still mostly just gold hydroxide. There is a small amount of monatomic gold present, but since so much gold hydroxide is also still present, ingesting this material is foolish. Not only does it waste gold, but the gold hydroxide gets converted into gold chloride in the stomach which has recently been found to be a potent neurotoxin.

Pour off as much water as possible from your white precipitant, and evaporate most of the remaining water. When you want to dry the precipitant, don't use heat. Just let the remaining water evaporate at room temperature by covering the beaker with a coffee filter.

You can now dissolve this white calx of gold with the Philosophical Mercury solvent as per the instructions on the Red Tincture page and perform the process to convert it to the red isotope of monatomic gold. Though it may seem like a lot of work, this method will save you from having to repeat the Red Tincture process a dozen times to convert all the gold into the red form which distills with the Philosophical Mercury.

Q: What is done with the left over wash water?
A: All the water you used to wash your gold precipitant will contain some gold hydroxide you can't see. So evaporate your wash water and you will begin to see it turn pink. The water contains a great deal of salt, and this traps the gold hydroxide and causes it to fall to the bottom. The reason you couldn't see it before was because it was floating on the surface of the water in tiny clusters.

Once the solution is evaporated down to 200ml, let it cool off. Salt crystals are forming which contain the gold hydroxide powder trapped inside. Add enough water to refill the beaker back up to 1 liter, and this will dissolve the salt. Now do the washes on the pink precipitant until there is no longer a salty taste in the water. Then you will know the salt has been removed and you can now perform the pH Swing process on this pink gold until it's white, just like you did the first time. Save the wash water again, but now since it's mostly just salt, pour it on your garden outside. Helps plants grow for some reason; the salt has nothing to do with it.
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Pic. 6
In this photo can be seen the pink gold hydroxide which appeared when the water was heated. This wash water which was clear and would have been tossed down the drain actually contains this hidden gold.
Pic. 7
Here is the precipitant washed and dried. Contains a lot of sodium which doesn't wash out. It's a very soft powder with irridecent clear flakes also. On the side of the beaker which the water was evaporated in, a rainbow effect can be seen in the right lighting. This seems to be the Oil of Gold which was in the wash water. It has long been rumored that the wash water should be saved for this very reason, then reunited with the original precipitant once's it's made into moatomic gold. So in this pink powder, there is apparently the "Oil of Gold" along with some normal gold hydroxide which gives the powder it's  pink tint.
Pic. 8

The precipitant was dissolved in a few milliters of hydrochloric acid, but some remind undissolved as can be seen in this photo. A little peroxide was added (3% solution) and the red precipitant became white but refused to fully dissolve.
Pics. 9 & 10
These two photos show the precipitant when dried.
Pic. 12

Every color of the rainbow can be created with gold depending on how it's precipitated. If pure sodium hydroxide powder is added straight to the acid solution, then the clusters will remain large and the precipitant will slowly change through the colors after each subsequent dissolution and precipitation. While this makes beautiful colors, it's not the goal and there is no benifit to having a colored gold solution instead of a crystal clear white calx. The water clear solution is what is the best because the gold clusters are smaller.

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What I mean, is it contains explicit detailed exact information.

WOW thanks, do you think it's possible for me to make in my own kitchen? From what I read the WPG being sold has not gone through the process given on that page, can you please show Red Tincture page and perform the process to convert it to the red isotope of monatomic gold. A question though, seems not so complcated - I mean no need for a chemist although that would be really helpful I suppose, but have you made this Elixir or has anyone made their own WPG? I humbly ask for assistance and not being sarcastic or anything, I say this as words can be misinterpreted online :

The only thing I worry about is I make it the wrong way and kill myself :'(  So I want to get it right. Thanks again. Is there an easier way to make the WPG without losing effectveness?

The information on the red tincture (the red dragon, or the rosy cross on the white tunics of the Templars) is not published, and will have to be pursued on it's own.

There are other methods, as far as I know. However, posting them here in their entirety without working them out myself, is foolishness, and besides..the whole process is for those who can think, as opposed to those who cannot.

The point here, is no giant sticks of dynamite in the hands of those who are not 'clear of head'. Don't give dangerous and powerful information to those who are not 'clear' of their internal issues, is the main point here. Therefore, the way is always difficult. The clarity of thought that comes from the whole endeavor, in the 'hermit-shaman-scientist-alchemist-thinker' way of thinking is..that.. once these things are found and understood by the determined individual, they will not simply hand the information over to just any person. This work MUST be done by the individual. It's like asking for enlightenment without doing the work..it would be valueless. One must earn their way there.

There is no dream here, only hard work, with results that  lead.....somewhere.

In essence, I have done what I reasonably can do. The way to the door has been pointed out. The basics point of conversion, that is not understood or recognized by science has been published, in the few posts above. The rest is yours to discover. :)

I apologize for the lack of a direct answer, but you can see that no such answer would be forthcoming, even if I knew it. Especially if I knew it. :)

Thanks Prophmaji I respect your philosphy, when the student is ready ... I suppose I wonder maybe out of fear that I'll miss the boat, something I have to deal with as I go along. But you've helped a lot so that's great - Thankyou;D, but still far to go - or maybe just around the corner - the breakthrough, who knows?

**** Could it be so simple, just add ORMES to the water? ****



ORMES the Secret WATER FUEL CELL ingredient:
By: Jeremy William VanHaitsma


Dear Researchers,



I believe that I could have some valuable information related to your
current research into successfully replicating the late Stanley
Meyer's Water Fuel Cell technology. I have been researching many over
unity systems and devices over the past several years and have taken
particular interest in the Water Fuel Cell technology... I have
researched into the replications of the WFC as done by Dave Lawton in
D14.PDF and the work of Ravi Raju. Also, I have been following the
work of various organizations devoted to the freeing/dissemination of
these types of technologies such as PANACEA-BOCAF and the ORION
PROJECT. I feel that Dave Lawton was able to get alot of valuable
ground work done for the WFC replication process and that Ravi Raju
was able to make some major contributions to the work of Mr. Lawton
with his modified voltage intensifier circuitry, longer and more
numerous tubes, and his signature 'conditioning' process for the tubes
which has shown to be invaluable in increasing the efficiency of the
WFC in both lowering current draw and increasing it's hydroxy gas
output. I recently read some documents that stated that during the
80's of Stan Meyer's heyday that he had met with a couple of other
inventors that were also researching into technologies related to free
energy whom may have offered some ideas and inspiration to Mr. Meyers
which may have had some influence upon his devices and processes. One
being John Bedini who as you may be familiar with had developed
motors/generators capable of tapping into and harnessing so called
radiant energy. The other inventor being David Hudson. David Hudson
is an Arizona farmer who discovered a new form of matter that he named
ORMES (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) namely from the
platinum group metals that occur in nature in monatomic and diatomic
micro clusters. The ORMES material has been found through the
research of him and others to be present in certain soils, sea salt,
water and other sources in nature. I don't want to go into the whole
story about how he discovered it but if you Google ORMES, ORMUS,
MONATOMIC GOLD, DAVID HUDSON, or visit www.subtlenergies.com you will
get the basic jest of it. Anyway, this ORMES material appears as a
white powder in a dry purified state and it's superconductive. It's
surrounded by a meisner field like other superconductors; it has
anti-gravity properties to it. It can be turned into a glass if it's
heated to a rather his temperature. It has the tendency to phase in
and out of our dimension, now please bear with me here. It has been
called strange matter, white powder gold, the Philosopher's Stone,
MFKZT by the Egyptians, manna in the bible, etc.... Glacial water
deposits tend to have rather high concentrations of it although it can
also be found in ordinary tap water. Which brings me to this material
David Hudson discovered and it's implications with the Water Fuel
Cell... This material has been shown to have other strange properties
as observed by David Hudson such as when he left a wet sample of the
material out in the sun to dry it disappeared in a brilliant flash of
white light scorching the material it was on, but with no explosion...
It simply turned into pure energy which released as bright light and
gamma rays. The meissner field that constantly surrounds the
monatomic atoms of gold, iridium, rhodium, etc. that make up the ORMES
is said to emanate from the zero point energy field coming out from
within the atoms and that the material is superconductive, but only if
you resonate with it with the correct input signal. In fact, if you
put a volt meter up to a sample of ORMES it will measure zero
conductivity. So what I'm thinking is that if this material just so
happens to be in tuned with the zero point energy field, and some of
the various devices that produce energy like the Bedini motors and the
Meyer's WFC are said to derive their function from the zero point
energy field that that is an inherent commonality that links these
three things together. They all have the zero point energy fields in
common that is. Now, remember I stated that in my research I read of
one of the other researchers stating that the ORMES material was a
superconductor but only if you 'resonate' with it? What do the Bedini
motor and the WFC have in common? If you look at the signals of each
device on side by side oscilloscopes you will notice that the stepped
pulse train waveforms are very similar in nature, and this stepped
pulse train is a unique type of signal that has the ability to coax
the energy to bubble up and out of the zero point energy field and
into the device to be received as output, whether that be strait
electricity as in the Bedini motor or through the production of
Brown's gas as with the Meyer's cell, and it's replications. Now,
after doing some more intense research regarding all the strange
properties of this ORMES/White powder gold material, and all the weird
stuff it does. Like phasing in and out of this plane of existence,
floating, displaying anti-gravity properties, disappearing into a
bright flash of light after being left in the sun, making plants grow
super fast, taller, with higher nutritional yields, curing cancer,
LOL, etc. etc. etc. it's almost like this ORMES material was the zero
point energy in the flesh so to speak... A small subculture of open
source researchers has sprung up around the ORMES technology on the
internet and people have discovered some pretty ingenuitive ways of
getting this material... Some companies synthesize it directly from
the metals themselves like ZPtech.net for instance, whom you can
purchase vials of the material, others have figured out ways to
extract it from salts from the Dead Sea, Great Salt Lake, and Celtic
sea salt. And others have also figured out how to extract it from
water using a contraption known in that community as a magnetic vortex
water trap. This device hooks up to your water source and spins the
water around in a vortex which is created in a container surrounded by
magnets, and since the ormes material is a superconductor and hence
paramagnetic it is pushed to the center of the vortex and the normal
water to the outside. Then this 'magnetic vortex trap water' is then
collected by a tube coming off the top center of the device and has
shown to have a concentration many 1000's the normal concentration of
ORMES as per the water sample. So what does ORMES have to do with the
WFC you may ask? The conditioning process developed by Ravi Raju that
takes so darn long to complete, constantly changing the water,
eventually resulting in the buildup of this white powdery coating onto
the outside of the tubes, which done improperly can flake off, etc.
...Wow, white powdery coating, ormes is a white powdery substance that
can form a coating. Ormes is present in water, but does not show up
on any normal types of chemical analysis. In fact it took David
Hudson years to finally try out this Russian method of chemical
analysis of burning the material in an electric arc inside of an argon
gas atmosphere for an extended time before he was able to discover the
presence of these platinum group metals. So, despite the fact that
other types of materials might have shown up and been thought
responsible in the white coating that forms while conditioning the
cells, such as calcium oxide, etc, unless the WFC researcher were to
use the very unique analysis techniques used by David Hudson than they
wouldn't even be aware of the presence of this ORMES material in the
sample. But let's just say that ORMES was in this white powdery
coating on the surface of the tubes, and that this played a part in
the water fracturing process. Lets assume that perhaps the more
refined stepped pulse train signals that oh so resonate with the zero
point energy field as made possible through the more refined voltage
intensifier circuitry like that done by Ravi Raju and his use of
inductor coils was working hand in hand with the ormes concentrated
material collected on the tubes from the water as per the conditioning
process, and that the signal was making the little itty bitty ORMES
micro cluster do a mad dance and strike into the black gold of zero
point energy!!! ORMES could be what's rolling out the red carpet for
zero point energy to join the party and the stepped pulse train is the
music that it's dancing to. But unfortunately I'm just a modest guy
currently working for a low wage that cannot afford to purchase a
pre-built WFC from the sources mentioned on the Panacea-Bocaf website
or even build a Dave Lawton or Ravi Raju WFC replication to test this
theory, which I strongly believe should be tested because it very well
could be the secret ingredient. But what I would do if I had a WFC
laying around like Mr. Lawton or Mr. Raju is I would test the
efficiency and outputs of the system before conditioning by adding
ORMES to the water. In magnetic vortex trap water form, in the sea
salt extraction form, and also in the synthetic form compliments of
http://www.ZPtech.net . Maybe if you put a spoonful of ormes into the water you
won't even need to condition the darn thing and you'll get Over unity
right off the bat!!! Just maybe anyway, and with its potential
implications I think it's worth a shot... Here is a link for a
YouTube video that shows you how to make ORMES from sea salt in case
you're as broke as I am, no pun intended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jtnuMAa00 Have fun and happy research




Sincerely,
Jeremy William VanHaitsma

Hi,
This is old story.
Many years ago I was quite active on the White Gold Web forum.I did put a lot of effort to prepare Sodium Burn method, I had make mu own white powder of gold.Description of this method I had put on th forum for everybody.The main reaction components are: 24 karat gold, Sodium metal,water,HCl-nothing else.The trick is to do reactions in a proper way,to stay away from impurities which could go into solution because Sodium metal is very reactive and could give unwanted reaction products when in contact with glass,metal or other process materials and vessels.Sodium must be fused  ONLY with gold metal without contacting anything else.
This is dangerous procedure.
Regards,
pix

Quote from: pix on December 02, 2008, 03:43:55 AM
Hi,
This is old story.
Many years ago I was quite active on the White Gold Web forum.I did put a lot of effort to prepare Sodium Burn method, I had make mu own white powder of gold.Description of this method I had put on th forum for everybody.The main reaction components are: 24 karat gold, Sodium metal,water,HCl-nothing else.The trick is to do reactions in a proper way,to stay away from impurities which could go into solution because Sodium metal is very reactive and could give unwanted reaction products when in contact with glass,metal or other process materials and vessels.Sodium must be fused  ONLY with gold metal without contacting anything else.
This is dangerous procedure.
Regards,
pix

Hi pix,
interesting post about fusing sodium and gold...
Since it is not entirely clear what exactly you were saying, I decided to look up your Sodium Burn method
on that White Gold Web forum, but I must say that is one of the least user friendly fora I've ever seen.
I can't seem to find any clear overview of the topics, I can't seem to find a seach engine into which
I can type "sodium burn"...
I would like to learn more about your sodium burn method. On the one hand because I have been interested
in the monoatomic gold concept for some time, and on the other hand because I've read something on
"himalayan salt" long ago which described the traditional production method as "burning" the salt in
a bamboo container something like 9 times successively, before the "specially energised" salt could
be extracted, and some of the properties claimed seem to be similar to those of manna. ;)
Can you please give me more info on the sodium burn method, or direct me to the page on the
White Gold Web forum that describes this method?

Thanks! :)

Hi,
SODIUM BURN
It is funny to bring it back :)
I think You don't find this anymore on the web.For some reason I don't know it disappeared.Anyway,it was a quite long ago.
For the moment I will take it from my memory.
Let me say this way: in this method gold and Sodium metal is burned together in the high flame-two metals.After burning you will obtain a yellowish,crispy substance-gold will fuse with Sodium.This substance is stil very reactive sice typically there will be still a lot of unreacted sodium metal.
And now is tricky thing:
How to do this in a way that during burn process Sodium reacts only with Gold?Burnig reaction is very violent and energetic and if sodium metal contact reaction vessel walls ( metal or any kind of high temp. zirconium pocelain)-it will react with this as well and give unwanted compounds.
Secondly- -after burn,how to react yellow crispy substance with water in a way you don't explode your lab ( a lot of H2 is produced and sparks and heat), and again in a way that during this wetting process and after- strong NaOH solution will not react with reaction vessel - strong NaOH reacts even with Pyrex glass or zirconium porcelain-and that woul give again unwanted compounds in yor solution.
Reaction must be clear- only Sodium and Gold-and then water,not any other reactants!!!
(For the moment I will not disclose how to do this violent reactions in a way preventing sodium/strong NaOH react with reaction vessel.)
And then of course bringing down pH  of solution ,very slowly!, to pH neutral-then you will get beautifull white colloid in your reaction vessel.
And then washing with water (use purest distillate as possible durig whole process) several times.
And then siphoning off most of the water.
Filtering off remains of water to separate from white colloid percipitate.
Drying.
Annealing in high temp.
And then you have pure white powder.
A tip- during annealing substance for a moment changed colour to black-and then again to snow white.
Caution: This is very dangerous and I dont take any responsibility if anybody try to replicate this!!!
Regards,
pix

Hey thanks a lot Pix! :)

Lol it is just about as I imagined, and the main problem I ran into
is exactly the problem you describe: the sodium is extremely
reactive and so it is terribly difficult to keep it from reacting with
the crucible/vessel walls and with any other impurities in the first place.
Then in the second place, when "washing" the Na-Au alloy,
indeed a lot of NaOH should be produced which can again react
with the crucible/vessel and impurities, and obviously this is
after we take precautions not to fry ourselves with any exothermic
reactions between the pure sodium and the water.

I find it interesting that the high temperature burning and the
washing both occur in the descriptions I found on how to make
"Himalayan salt".
Basically in that procedure rock salt mined from inside
and under the himalayan mountains is used, put in a bamboo
container and burnt in a very hot oven. Then it is washed,
dried, and the process is repeated another 8 times,
untill the final residue after washing is described as a white
powder of fine grain, some slight tablesalt-like reflective
properties but mostly more opaque than normal salt, and
with a different taste to it. Some claim this "salt" has a
"refreshing" taste. Some claim putting some of it on their
sore tooth cured the toothache. Some, mostly buddhist
and falun Gong types, claim spiritually beneficial effects
and more direct connection with and control over Qi.

Since this sounds a bit similar to the effects of Ormes as
claimed by new age types, and the "salt burning" sounds
somewhat similar too, I thought it might be interesting to
look into the similarities...

Do you suppose it is possible that the bamboo container,
which obviously burns during the procedure, might either
"capture" some of the sodium from the salt, or bond with
the sodium in the salt, so that the sodium content decreases
during burning already..? So that for example sodium cabonate
(or bicarbonate) is formed, and during the washing there'd be
less sodium hydroxide to react with the washing container...?
I imagine that repetitive burning and washing might yield a
residue of colloidal metals mixed with some sodium carbonate,
or even colloidal metals with other metal carbonate compounds
and all the sodium washed out...
This could explain the described taste and appearance of the
Himalayan "salt", as well as the toothache cure story (since
sodium bicarbonate is an old toothache remedy).
But I haven't really gone over the exact reactions etc involved yet,
so I might be off here. This is just a guesstimate. ;)

Hi,
There was many other reactions on the web describing how to make WPG from minerals,dirt crust or salts-example Dead Sea salt boiling with NaOH ect. Imagine boiling salt or mineral with strong NaOH solution for several hours in Pyrex,surely you will have NaOH reacted with glass, the same goes with stainless steel pot.Plus,You don't know what else stays in your final product since there are so many other elements in the powder You start with.
Generally people assumed that obtaining white colloid gives WPG-that is incorrect, many compounds could give colloid when changing pH of the solution.
And there was to many chemicals and chemical reactions with such salts or minerals would give that-for me those methods I don't trust.You could have unspecified and contaminated result.
Simple is the best!
That is why I focused only on Sodium Burn.
There was an individual who was trying to do this method,if I remember good it was Essene.But he was doing this in so bad and twisted way that process was contaminated from the wery beginning.
If You have Gold metal and Sodium metal and find the way to fuse and water wet them after together in a way preventing any other reactions contaminating your process surely you will have a good result.
This method is very difficult and dangerous and the main trick is as I described before.
As I remember David Hudson in one of the interwiews asked about this method said thai it is very interesting and could give a good result,I don't remenber now but if I will have time I will find and post it here (I must dig deep in my old computer memory,it was so long time ago). If You check David patented methods they are very sophisticated because he reacts dirt crust and must get rid off many unwanted compounds.
Persnally I don't know burning sat method You described.It could be something on it,there are so many paths...
But I am simple man and I like simple solutions, that is why I do prefer stay on the ground I know.And that is Sodium Burn method.
Regards,
pix

That is what I found, describing another method
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/tw/lyeburn.htm
There is mentioned about Essene.
Regards,
pix

And another, interesting article:
http://www.zptech.net/alchemy.html
As You see they  mention Sodium metal plays important role in gold processing into monoatomic.They also mention difficulty with that method so they implemented their own,less energetic.I don't know for sure what is this method but I have my guess.
I think they are up to something.Seems like they know where the problem lies and how to get a juice :)
Regards,
pix