Well i havent been on in awhile but i was browsing round on youtube and clickin links here and there and ended up on google vids, when i found what seems to be what we might have been hopeing for.
This was very recent too
the first video link shows an arrangement where the rotor appears to have no initial cogging going into the stators..right at 33-34 sec mark its boldy clear that it takes little or no force to push the rotor through then it has a huge torque increase and no sticky spot just smooth sailing....but never shows it moving past 180 degrees, idk if it means there might be some kinda resistance there or what but it seems that if you add another magnet on the opposite side of the rotor it would continue....i got very exciting from this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5869804256598672061
Now this video is also promising...It was made supposedly 2 days before the first link i posted. It shows a diferent setup that has a noticable cogging point but i could imagine with some fine tunning and maybe another magnet on the motor placed at a point where its in full torque spot and the other is in cog spot it seems like with proper spacing they would pull each other through there cogs, the cog seems miniscule compared to the propulsion that ensues...maybe its just me idk?!?!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5869804256598672061
Does anybody knnow anymore info on these vids, maybe some names or sites or anything?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that this does not look promising at all.
1. The rotor will always find equilibrium state, as in the video.
2: If the guy somehow could get past the sticky point of this motor without adding energy he would discover
that it is extremely weak and would stop after a while anyway. Just as all other magnet balancing rotors/motors.
The sticky point just eats all of the released energy from the magnets.
3: A magnet motor of any use must be able to provide useful torque. It canot be done by balancing magnets.
It will fail, as always. Shieldings won't work either.
But I'm amazed how much work he has put into his motor. It's a pretty cool design. :-\
Dietmar Hohl is on the right way.
With a retreating stator iron plate (fixed with some kind of spring),
which would go back and forth when the rotor comes in ( simular to Finsrud?s device)
this would even work better.
He is still waiting for his second rotor magnets to arrive.
Regards, Stefan.
This is very similar to a couple of thoughts tossed around here, it looks pretty good, he didn't beat the sticky point, only weakened it and is using flywheel motion to carry it one. I you watch the video cosely you will see the deceleration as the rotor mag leaves the gate.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2259.0.html
Looked good then, not sure if he ever built it.
Hart is he going to upload more videos once he gets them in?
If your in contact with him can you bring him onto these forums?
Is there any follow up on this guy?!
Hart you said he was waiting for his next magnets to come in?
If your still in contact with him do you know what his progress is?
G'day all,
Every now and then one comes across something that is interesting and promising to say the least.
Dietmar Hohl is impressive. The precision, aesthetic appeal and the obvious care that went into the construction of his device speaks for itself.
Whether his design in the end will lead to the envisioned goal is debatable at this point. It is clear however that he approaches his project with care, attention to detail and a great deal of ingenuity. I wish him well. If anyone deserves to solve the puzzle, I hope it is going to be a man like him.
Well done.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 21, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
G'day all,
Every now and then one comes across something that is interesting and promising to say the least.
Dietmar Hohl is impressive. The precision, aesthetic appeal and the obvious care that went into the construction of his device speaks for itself.
Whether his design in the end will lead to the envisioned goal is debatable at this point. It is clear however that he approaches his project with care, attention to detail and a great deal of ingenuity. I wish him well. If anyone deserves to solve the puzzle, I hope it is going to be a man like him.
Well done.
Hans von Lieven
Whether his design in the end will lead to the envisioned goal is debatable at this point.?
I think at this point it is clear that not only is this design a promising crontribution to the "end envisioned goal" but as well as most others on this forum. In a sense its a contribution towards getting closer to the final solution, so with that logic any effort is very non-debatebly a step closer.
Man did not create the internal combustion engine before he created fire.
Interesting design! Using an "iron gate" to equalize the repelling forces between two equal poles. I have tried a number of similar designs since last time I posted ideas here, but this far I have no success, but still trying :). The design presented at the videos is some different than my approach, so maybe this designer will succeed. Good luck to him :)
Br.
Vidar
any news!?
Hartiberlin, or anyone else for that matter, does Dietmar Hohl have an official site?
why isn't there a video from him with both sides equipped with magnets and iron-metal, showing it self-running or not? he finished the design and the video came up a month ago. so he should have enough magnets to try it out now. or is there a reason, why this motor shown in video "01-c" will not perpetual move?
Thats what everyones waiting for i think.....
Isn't there anyone out there that would fund some of these projects? What is the sense of inventing them if they cant get funded to be put to use?
hmmm
why don't we hire qualified person/group to put open source projects together?
Sounds like a good plan.
But thing is i doubt there isnt any group of qualified people in any one area.
But a team of advisors that maybe could independently try to replicate or just debate on individual results or something.
But i doubt it...
Because when someone asks for funding, eg "another couple of million and I'll give you perpetual motion", it is the first thing thats jumped on by the skeptics and rightly so, some of the ones I've seen have all the resource they need yet continue to ask for more.
If you believe you have something, if you believe it works, then sort out your own funding until you prove absolutley conclusively that it works, too many damn promises in this game and no deliveries.
Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 03:35:15 AM
Isn't there anyone out there that would fund some of these projects? What is the sense of inventing them if they cant get funded to be put to use?
We all might as well give up because most if not all of our inventions have already been invented. We will not be able to get funding and if we did, it would still never make it to the market place. Some may even be killed as many others already have been.
I did a lot of research and I have found that big money will not allow anyone to jeopardize their big profits.
Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
We all might as well give up because most if not all of our inventions have already been invented. We will not be able to get funding and if we did, it would still never make it to the market place. Some may even be killed as many others already have been.
I did a lot of research and I have found that big money will not allow anyone to jeopardize their big profits.
Dont giving up now! It free energy is coming soon here on earth. You can get thr funding from Ashtweth. He owns a universtity too. Plus he can pertection it with gaurds.
Oldinventor
I believe it is one mistake on the machine. The rotor magnet, I think is labeled with opposite polarity, than the actual polarity. A video shown before all magnets was attached, proved the wrong labeling of the rotor magnet. Watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3530783729514972071 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3530783729514972071). After 30-35 seconds the rotor is defenitly prevented to enter the stator magnets, but the polarity labeled, should force the rotor magnet towards the stator magnets.
Vidar
Well this may be a mistake in labeling in that particular run...
That was supposedly 2 days before the cog free setup was taped.
Maybe he was still fine tuning his design or just messing around, until two days later he got the right set up.
But even so that rotor still pulls itself through 2 cycles with a decent push before it cogs, he is definitely on the right track.
Once my garage is finally organized and clean in the next couple days, i'll start constructing my own design, so far i dont see why it wont work.....
Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
We will not be able to get funding and if we did, it would still never make it to the market place. Some may even be killed as many others already have been.
I did a lot of research and I have found that big money will not allow anyone to jeopardize their big profits.
Sure you did. what did you "research", all the claims about the evil "men in black" that swoop down and steal the designs from scam artists like Newman?
All that so called "big money" crap about "them" preventing anyone from jeopardizing their big profits is B.S. as well.
Guess what? Global warming is a load of B.S. too.
Nobody can invent a perpetual motion machine because it simply violates the first and second and third laws of thermal dynamics. These laes are 1) you can't win. 2) You can't break even. 3) If you play the game, you're sure to loose. It's really that simple.
Ludicrousnesses such as free energy, alien abductions, cold fusion, UFO's, or perpetual motion are what is known as Pseudoscience, or in other terms "That which is not so".
There are three levels of pseudoscience:
* Tain't likley, McGee.
* Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
* What are they on, and where do we get some of it?
A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free energy. Here are the most familliar trechnics they use. Note carefully how many of them you are repeating.
A) Be very careful to have any investors forfeit their right to legal action any way possible. - this can be a last minute statement to sign, often you can hide silencing terms in a nondisclosure agreement.
B) Start with outrageous enough claims to filter the more skeptical people out as early as possible. But, be careful about making too many bogus scientific claims, or you may find self-righteous skeptics trying to debunk you - if this happens, tell your followers they (or any critics) are part of the conspiracy - maybe nitpick at fine points of their arguments, but don't ever respond to their main thrust.
C) Claim you are not in it for the money, just to save humanity. Say you have already been offered huge sums, but want to sell it to the little guy (i.e. the gullible guy). Try to market it to older mid-western Christian farmers - they've always bought in in the past. Build excitement for something wonderful.
D) Focus investors attention away from evaluating claims on technical grounds. The following distractions are recommended:
1. get them involved in political issues. Convince them you have some large secretive benefactor.
2. focus their attention on an elaborate multi-generational international
conspiracy which has kept everyone pitching free energy to fail. Make your audience outraged against the
conspiracy, yet empowered that they can finally overcome it by giving you money.
3. talk about your valiant battles with the patent office or some government bureaucracy (that always warms people up)
4. get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
5. get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
6. claim it already has been proven so you need not offer any proof Tell them you are done proving it and need big money to start mass production.
7. Write an autobiography (self-published, of course) where you can "control" the facts. When someone questions your shady past simply say, "Buy my book and learn the truth about what REALLY happened." Naive people won't question the "facts" because, after all, it's in a book. If your book is long enough, you may mesmerize them.
E) You
must focus on the
big conspiracy. It's
very important to make people believe in the
big conspiracy - because that's your excuse for past failures, present lack of evidence, the critics, and future delays. Locking horns with bureaucrats or the scientific community can distract from your lack of evidence and get you great free press. Make people believe exciting claims of bad guys wanting to steal or bury your ideas. - then claim you will destroy your prototypes and records rather than let them fall into the hands of the
bad guys.
F) Be bold, sell books, consider taking out full page ad or get on the radio. People will feel that something this out in the open can not possibly be a fly by night Con. The most successful cons are ones lasting for a few years not the quick cons.
G) Watch your target market, Go after people predisposed to believing in conspiracy theories such as the militias, JFK conspiracy, and UFO cover-up groups.
H) If you are forced to demonstrate some device, consider the following important tips: bore the skeptics right out of the room with long discourses on elementary science; claim you have some adjustments to make, yet; say "
it worked yesterday"; run your machine for just a few seconds and move on to some other important point. - or do the Newman trick of openly hooking up input power and just promising it's less than what comes out.
i) A good final lesson, if the heat from impatient investors and public scrutiny gets too much, do what Keely did - just walk away from it all (just claim it doesn't work because the remaining people don't understand it) , and just start some new investment scheme for some other amazing claim.
J) operate from a state which is soft on fraud and organized crime.
K) Get people to pay around 20 - 100$ for "information kits" or video tapes. Once they've paid that much, it's easier to get them to start paying more money.
L) Discourage investors from contacting each other and cover up evidence of earlier bitter investors.
M) Get followers to sell your stuff to their friends, family and churches - try multilevel schemes - promise they will get rich by commissions on getting others to invest (who cares if this destroys their friendships).
N) Be open to having newer investors buy out older more impatient investors. Always promise a disgruntled investor that someone else will soon buy him out.
O) Don't be afraid of lawsuits, if OJ got off so can you - they can be one more excuse for delays. Most attorney generals will just bluff with a cease and desist order and then move on to someone else.
P) Don't be afraid of investors defecting, most of them will feel too stupid to go public with their story - even if some do start successful attacks on you, just say they are agents of the big conspiracy.
Q) Jealously guard your list of investors, a good sucker list is worth its weight in gold and can even be sold to other con men.
R) Don't be afraid of the press, they don't usually evaluate outlandish claims, and even if they do - your audience won't likely listen.
S) Be open to 'red-lining' your investors (i.e.: tell them if they don't come up with just a little more money, they will lose it all)
T) Be ready to move to another state with corrupt or weak DA's - if you are done 'harvesting' your initial area. (i.e.: New Jersey is known as an east coast haven for the mob, prostitution and home repair scams) Most states don?t bother to track people down across state lines.
U) If you are really bold, you could give commissions for investors to find more investors. Better to also make others responsible for building the machines - it buys you time and gives you another person to blame.
V) Explain complex subjects simply, (leaving out lots of details) so that the mark feels as though he understands the subject well enough to make informed decisions.
How to deal with skeptics and detractors:There are a number of approaches to deal with self righteous people who like to point out your flaws of reason, lists of previous victims, etc. out on the internet:
* Label your detractors as CIA agents, or stupid or part of the great conspiracy.
* say they are unqualified unless they are experts in your crazy theory.
* try to restrict your message to newsletters and limited forums where the skeptical voice can be filtered out.
* in a public forum deaden the audiences interest with tons of distracting counter "information".
* try to delete their pages from the search engines, or bury their objections in enough distractions to make people avoid the debate
* trying threatening your detractors with lawsuits - it will make some of them shut up
* give up and only try to market to people too old or stupid to get on the internet.
Here's a good site for aditional reading:
http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html
It's a called "How to be an internet woo- woo.
To be a proper woo-woo, you must follow these rules:
1. Never look for the simplest, most obvious cause of something. Refrain from mentioning Occam's Razor (it's your nemesis).
2. Always favor the conspiracy angle over the boring angle. Mundane explanations (like saying that Roswell was a balloon) are for dullards and government drones. If you want to sleep with that curvaceous new-age chick, don't tell her you think astrology is bogus! (Non woo-woos may benefit from that advice temporarily).
3. Don't accept mainstream science unless it's something you've believed in for years (like gravity).
4. Try to answer as few direct questions as possible. Always obfuscate and try to sound learned. Mimic Richard Hoagland's style and you'll go far.
5. Use "what if" scenarios to change the subject whenever possible. If you linger on one topic too long you may be asked to provide annoying things like "proof." Don't let that happen! Consult an evolutionist if you need practice with subject-changing.
6. If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all.
7. Memorize all the sci-babble terms used in the Star Trek series and Tom Bearden's web site. They are very useful if you get cornered by a skeptic, and you need to come up with some sort of "scientific" explanation. e.g., Inertial Dampeners, Scalar EMP Woodpecker grid.
8. When all else fails, start asking hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the actual debate. If your opponent chooses to ignore your pointless questions and remains on topic, repeat your meaningless question(s) over and over. This will make any Believers in the audience think that your opponent is evading the issue.
9. Accuse your opponent of being a liar, or try some other tactic that will (hopefully) make him angry. If he responds in kind to your endless taunts, change the subject to his anger, and accuse him of name calling. If he accuses you of provoking him, then you have changed the subject of the debate. If he stays on topic, keep the heat up. The Believers in the audience will forgive the worst verbal attacks you use, but they will think even the mildest replies he makes to you are personal attacks that undermine his argument.
10. Use the word
quantum in a sentence, despite not knowing what it means. For a more impressive effect, use it with the name of your favorite superstition - "quantum dowsing" sure sounds mighty serious.
11. Two more words: Paradigm shift.
12. Always claim that the other guy is "closed-minded" and that you're as free-thinking as a newborn baby. Other woo-woos love the concept of "open-mindedness" and will take you into their inner circle without question. They have no tolerance for those "mean old nasty" types who demand evidence for everything.
13. Drink heavily while posting.
14. You must believe that the word "anomaly" means proof of paranormal activity.
15. Use the word "anomaly" as often as possible.
and on and on.
Just remember, if it sounds too good to be true, It's probably B.S.
http://louminatti.blogspot.com/
Quote from: Automan on September 26, 2007, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
We will not be able to get funding and if we did, it would still never make it to the market place. Some may even be killed as many others already have been.
I did a lot of research and I have found that big money will not allow anyone to jeopardize their big profits.
Sure you did. what did you "research", all the claims about the evil "men in black" that swoop down and steal the designs from scam artists like Newman?
All that so called "big money" crap about "them" preventing anyone from jeopardizing their big profits is B.S. as well.
Guess what? Global warming is a load of B.S. too.
Nobody can invent a perpetual motion machine because it simply violates the first and second and third laws of thermal dynamics. These laes are 1) you can't win. 2) You can't break even. 3) If you play the game, you're sure to loose. It's really that simple.
Ludicrousnesses such as free energy, alien abductions, cold fusion, UFO's, or perpetual motion are what is known as Pseudoscience, or in other terms "That which is not so".
There are three levels of pseudoscience:
* Tain't likley, McGee.
* Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
* What are they on, and where do we get some of it?
A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free energy. Here are the most familliar trechnics they use. Note carefully how many of them you are repeating.
A) Be very careful to have any investors forfeit their right to legal action any way possible. - this can be a last minute statement to sign, often you can hide silencing terms in a nondisclosure agreement.
B) Start with outrageous enough claims to filter the more skeptical people out as early as possible. But, be careful about making too many bogus scientific claims, or you may find self-righteous skeptics trying to debunk you - if this happens, tell your followers they (or any critics) are part of the conspiracy - maybe nitpick at fine points of their arguments, but don't ever respond to their main thrust.
C) Claim you are not in it for the money, just to save humanity. Say you have already been offered huge sums, but want to sell it to the little guy (i.e. the gullible guy). Try to market it to older mid-western Christian farmers - they've always bought in in the past. Build excitement for something wonderful.
D) Focus investors attention away from evaluating claims on technical grounds. The following distractions are recommended:
1. get them involved in political issues. Convince them you have some large secretive benefactor.
2. focus their attention on an elaborate multi-generational international conspiracy which has kept everyone pitching free energy to fail. Make your audience outraged against the conspiracy, yet empowered that they can finally overcome it by giving you money.
3. talk about your valiant battles with the patent office or some government bureaucracy (that always warms people up)
4. get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
5. get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
6. claim it already has been proven so you need not offer any proof Tell them you are done proving it and need big money to start mass production.
7. Write an autobiography (self-published, of course) where you can "control" the facts. When someone questions your shady past simply say, "Buy my book and learn the truth about what REALLY happened." Naive people won't question the "facts" because, after all, it's in a book. If your book is long enough, you may mesmerize them.
E) You must focus on the big conspiracy. It's very important to make people believe in the big conspiracy - because that's your excuse for past failures, present lack of evidence, the critics, and future delays. Locking horns with bureaucrats or the scientific community can distract from your lack of evidence and get you great free press. Make people believe exciting claims of bad guys wanting to steal or bury your ideas. - then claim you will destroy your prototypes and records rather than let them fall into the hands of the bad guys.
F) Be bold, sell books, consider taking out full page ad or get on the radio. People will feel that something this out in the open can not possibly be a fly by night Con. The most successful cons are ones lasting for a few years not the quick cons.
G) Watch your target market, Go after people predisposed to believing in conspiracy theories such as the militias, JFK conspiracy, and UFO cover-up groups.
H) If you are forced to demonstrate some device, consider the following important tips: bore the skeptics right out of the room with long discourses on elementary science; claim you have some adjustments to make, yet; say "it worked yesterday"; run your machine for just a few seconds and move on to some other important point. - or do the Newman trick of openly hooking up input power and just promising it's less than what comes out.
i) A good final lesson, if the heat from impatient investors and public scrutiny gets too much, do what Keely did - just walk away from it all (just claim it doesn't work because the remaining people don't understand it) , and just start some new investment scheme for some other amazing claim.
J) operate from a state which is soft on fraud and organized crime.
K) Get people to pay around 20 - 100$ for "information kits" or video tapes. Once they've paid that much, it's easier to get them to start paying more money.
L) Discourage investors from contacting each other and cover up evidence of earlier bitter investors.
M) Get followers to sell your stuff to their friends, family and churches - try multilevel schemes - promise they will get rich by commissions on getting others to invest (who cares if this destroys their friendships).
N) Be open to having newer investors buy out older more impatient investors. Always promise a disgruntled investor that someone else will soon buy him out.
O) Don't be afraid of lawsuits, if OJ got off so can you - they can be one more excuse for delays. Most attorney generals will just bluff with a cease and desist order and then move on to someone else.
P) Don't be afraid of investors defecting, most of them will feel too stupid to go public with their story - even if some do start successful attacks on you, just say they are agents of the big conspiracy.
Q) Jealously guard your list of investors, a good sucker list is worth its weight in gold and can even be sold to other con men.
R) Don't be afraid of the press, they don't usually evaluate outlandish claims, and even if they do - your audience won't likely listen.
S) Be open to 'red-lining' your investors (i.e.: tell them if they don't come up with just a little more money, they will lose it all)
T) Be ready to move to another state with corrupt or weak DA's - if you are done 'harvesting' your initial area. (i.e.: New Jersey is known as an east coast haven for the mob, prostitution and home repair scams) Most states don?t bother to track people down across state lines.
U) If you are really bold, you could give commissions for investors to find more investors. Better to also make others responsible for building the machines - it buys you time and gives you another person to blame.
V) Explain complex subjects simply, (leaving out lots of details) so that the mark feels as though he understands the subject well enough to make informed decisions.
How to deal with skeptics and detractors:
There are a number of approaches to deal with self righteous people who like to point out your flaws of reason, lists of previous victims, etc. out on the internet:
* Label your detractors as CIA agents, or stupid or part of the great conspiracy.
* say they are unqualified unless they are experts in your crazy theory.
* try to restrict your message to newsletters and limited forums where the skeptical voice can be filtered out.
* in a public forum deaden the audiences interest with tons of distracting counter "information".
* try to delete their pages from the search engines, or bury their objections in enough distractions to make people avoid the debate
* trying threatening your detractors with lawsuits - it will make some of them shut up
* give up and only try to market to people too old or stupid to get on the internet.
Here's a good site for aditional reading:
http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html
It's a called "How to be an internet woo- woo.
To be a proper woo-woo, you must follow these rules:
1. Never look for the simplest, most obvious cause of something. Refrain from mentioning Occam's Razor (it's your nemesis).
2. Always favor the conspiracy angle over the boring angle. Mundane explanations (like saying that Roswell was a balloon) are for dullards and government drones. If you want to sleep with that curvaceous new-age chick, don't tell her you think astrology is bogus! (Non woo-woos may benefit from that advice temporarily).
3. Don't accept mainstream science unless it's something you've believed in for years (like gravity).
4. Try to answer as few direct questions as possible. Always obfuscate and try to sound learned. Mimic Richard Hoagland's style and you'll go far.
5. Use "what if" scenarios to change the subject whenever possible. If you linger on one topic too long you may be asked to provide annoying things like "proof." Don't let that happen! Consult an evolutionist if you need practice with subject-changing.
6. If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all.
7. Memorize all the sci-babble terms used in the Star Trek series and Tom Bearden's web site. They are very useful if you get cornered by a skeptic, and you need to come up with some sort of "scientific" explanation. e.g., Inertial Dampeners, Scalar EMP Woodpecker grid.
8. When all else fails, start asking hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the actual debate. If your opponent chooses to ignore your pointless questions and remains on topic, repeat your meaningless question(s) over and over. This will make any Believers in the audience think that your opponent is evading the issue.
9. Accuse your opponent of being a liar, or try some other tactic that will (hopefully) make him angry. If he responds in kind to your endless taunts, change the subject to his anger, and accuse him of name calling. If he accuses you of provoking him, then you have changed the subject of the debate. If he stays on topic, keep the heat up. The Believers in the audience will forgive the worst verbal attacks you use, but they will think even the mildest replies he makes to you are personal attacks that undermine his argument.
10. Use the word quantum in a sentence, despite not knowing what it means. For a more impressive effect, use it with the name of your favorite superstition - "quantum dowsing" sure sounds mighty serious.
11. Two more words: Paradigm shift.
12. Always claim that the other guy is "closed-minded" and that you're as free-thinking as a newborn baby. Other woo-woos love the concept of "open-mindedness" and will take you into their inner circle without question. They have no tolerance for those "mean old nasty" types who demand evidence for everything.
13. Drink heavily while posting.
14. You must believe that the word "anomaly" means proof of paranormal activity.
15. Use the word "anomaly" as often as possible.
and on and on.
Just remember, if it sounds too good to be true, It's probably B.S.
http://louminatti.blogspot.com/
Wow
It s funny that you can talk with such authority on science!
you MUST be an EXPERT!
Just one thing,
>Ludicrousnesses such as???..UFO's??"That which is not so".
Your going to have to convince an awful lot of people who have seen
craft up close. Including me!
I?ve seen about 10 ufo?s (small letters).
Some, quite up close.
We only have an inkling of what the universe is.
Here?s one example . Something that we know ?what it does? but,
What is an electric field? What IS it.
I must add though, scams do prevail.
And caution is definitely wise.
Quote from: Automan on September 26, 2007, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: nightlife on September 25, 2007, 09:11:39 PM
We will not be able to get funding and if we did, it would still never make it to the market place. Some may even be killed as many others already have been.
I did a lot of research and I have found that big money will not allow anyone to jeopardize their big profits.
Sure you did. what did you "research", all the claims about the evil "men in black" that swoop down and steal the designs from scam artists like Newman?
All that so called "big money" crap about "them" preventing anyone from jeopardizing their big profits is B.S. as well.
Guess what? Global warming is a load of B.S. too.
Nobody can invent a perpetual motion machine because it simply violates the first and second and third laws of thermal dynamics. These laes are 1) you can't win. 2) You can't break even. 3) If you play the game, you're sure to loose. It's really that simple.
Ludicrousnesses such as free energy, alien abductions, cold fusion, UFO's, or perpetual motion are what is known as Pseudoscience, or in other terms "That which is not so".
There are three levels of pseudoscience:
* Tain't likley, McGee.
* Boy, a whole flock of 'em flew over that time.
* What are they on, and where do we get some of it?
A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free energy. Here are the most familliar trechnics they use. Note carefully how many of them you are repeating.
A) Be very careful to have any investors forfeit their right to legal action any way possible. - this can be a last minute statement to sign, often you can hide silencing terms in a nondisclosure agreement.
B) Start with outrageous enough claims to filter the more skeptical people out as early as possible. But, be careful about making too many bogus scientific claims, or you may find self-righteous skeptics trying to debunk you - if this happens, tell your followers they (or any critics) are part of the conspiracy - maybe nitpick at fine points of their arguments, but don't ever respond to their main thrust.
C) Claim you are not in it for the money, just to save humanity. Say you have already been offered huge sums, but want to sell it to the little guy (i.e. the gullible guy). Try to market it to older mid-western Christian farmers - they've always bought in in the past. Build excitement for something wonderful.
D) Focus investors attention away from evaluating claims on technical grounds. The following distractions are recommended:
1. get them involved in political issues. Convince them you have some large secretive benefactor.
2. focus their attention on an elaborate multi-generational international conspiracy which has kept everyone pitching free energy to fail. Make your audience outraged against the conspiracy, yet empowered that they can finally overcome it by giving you money.
3. talk about your valiant battles with the patent office or some government bureaucracy (that always warms people up)
4. get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
5. get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
6. claim it already has been proven so you need not offer any proof Tell them you are done proving it and need big money to start mass production.
7. Write an autobiography (self-published, of course) where you can "control" the facts. When someone questions your shady past simply say, "Buy my book and learn the truth about what REALLY happened." Naive people won't question the "facts" because, after all, it's in a book. If your book is long enough, you may mesmerize them.
E) You must focus on the big conspiracy. It's very important to make people believe in the big conspiracy - because that's your excuse for past failures, present lack of evidence, the critics, and future delays. Locking horns with bureaucrats or the scientific community can distract from your lack of evidence and get you great free press. Make people believe exciting claims of bad guys wanting to steal or bury your ideas. - then claim you will destroy your prototypes and records rather than let them fall into the hands of the bad guys.
F) Be bold, sell books, consider taking out full page ad or get on the radio. People will feel that something this out in the open can not possibly be a fly by night Con. The most successful cons are ones lasting for a few years not the quick cons.
G) Watch your target market, Go after people predisposed to believing in conspiracy theories such as the militias, JFK conspiracy, and UFO cover-up groups.
H) If you are forced to demonstrate some device, consider the following important tips: bore the skeptics right out of the room with long discourses on elementary science; claim you have some adjustments to make, yet; say "it worked yesterday"; run your machine for just a few seconds and move on to some other important point. - or do the Newman trick of openly hooking up input power and just promising it's less than what comes out.
i) A good final lesson, if the heat from impatient investors and public scrutiny gets too much, do what Keely did - just walk away from it all (just claim it doesn't work because the remaining people don't understand it) , and just start some new investment scheme for some other amazing claim.
J) operate from a state which is soft on fraud and organized crime.
K) Get people to pay around 20 - 100$ for "information kits" or video tapes. Once they've paid that much, it's easier to get them to start paying more money.
L) Discourage investors from contacting each other and cover up evidence of earlier bitter investors.
M) Get followers to sell your stuff to their friends, family and churches - try multilevel schemes - promise they will get rich by commissions on getting others to invest (who cares if this destroys their friendships).
N) Be open to having newer investors buy out older more impatient investors. Always promise a disgruntled investor that someone else will soon buy him out.
O) Don't be afraid of lawsuits, if OJ got off so can you - they can be one more excuse for delays. Most attorney generals will just bluff with a cease and desist order and then move on to someone else.
P) Don't be afraid of investors defecting, most of them will feel too stupid to go public with their story - even if some do start successful attacks on you, just say they are agents of the big conspiracy.
Q) Jealously guard your list of investors, a good sucker list is worth its weight in gold and can even be sold to other con men.
R) Don't be afraid of the press, they don't usually evaluate outlandish claims, and even if they do - your audience won't likely listen.
S) Be open to 'red-lining' your investors (i.e.: tell them if they don't come up with just a little more money, they will lose it all)
T) Be ready to move to another state with corrupt or weak DA's - if you are done 'harvesting' your initial area. (i.e.: New Jersey is known as an east coast haven for the mob, prostitution and home repair scams) Most states don?t bother to track people down across state lines.
U) If you are really bold, you could give commissions for investors to find more investors. Better to also make others responsible for building the machines - it buys you time and gives you another person to blame.
V) Explain complex subjects simply, (leaving out lots of details) so that the mark feels as though he understands the subject well enough to make informed decisions.
How to deal with skeptics and detractors:
There are a number of approaches to deal with self righteous people who like to point out your flaws of reason, lists of previous victims, etc. out on the internet:
* Label your detractors as CIA agents, or stupid or part of the great conspiracy.
* say they are unqualified unless they are experts in your crazy theory.
* try to restrict your message to newsletters and limited forums where the skeptical voice can be filtered out.
* in a public forum deaden the audiences interest with tons of distracting counter "information".
* try to delete their pages from the search engines, or bury their objections in enough distractions to make people avoid the debate
* trying threatening your detractors with lawsuits - it will make some of them shut up
* give up and only try to market to people too old or stupid to get on the internet.
Here's a good site for aditional reading:
http://www.watchingyou.com/woowoo.html
It's a called "How to be an internet woo- woo.
To be a proper woo-woo, you must follow these rules:
1. Never look for the simplest, most obvious cause of something. Refrain from mentioning Occam's Razor (it's your nemesis).
2. Always favor the conspiracy angle over the boring angle. Mundane explanations (like saying that Roswell was a balloon) are for dullards and government drones. If you want to sleep with that curvaceous new-age chick, don't tell her you think astrology is bogus! (Non woo-woos may benefit from that advice temporarily).
3. Don't accept mainstream science unless it's something you've believed in for years (like gravity).
4. Try to answer as few direct questions as possible. Always obfuscate and try to sound learned. Mimic Richard Hoagland's style and you'll go far.
5. Use "what if" scenarios to change the subject whenever possible. If you linger on one topic too long you may be asked to provide annoying things like "proof." Don't let that happen! Consult an evolutionist if you need practice with subject-changing.
6. If you're cornered and asked for proof of something, always tell the person that they "can't disprove" your claims. Many of them will just walk away shaking their heads, which of course means they agree with you. A side-to-side head shake could be the same as a vertical nod. Anything is possible, after all.
7. Memorize all the sci-babble terms used in the Star Trek series and Tom Bearden's web site. They are very useful if you get cornered by a skeptic, and you need to come up with some sort of "scientific" explanation. e.g., Inertial Dampeners, Scalar EMP Woodpecker grid.
8. When all else fails, start asking hypothetical questions that have nothing to do with the actual debate. If your opponent chooses to ignore your pointless questions and remains on topic, repeat your meaningless question(s) over and over. This will make any Believers in the audience think that your opponent is evading the issue.
9. Accuse your opponent of being a liar, or try some other tactic that will (hopefully) make him angry. If he responds in kind to your endless taunts, change the subject to his anger, and accuse him of name calling. If he accuses you of provoking him, then you have changed the subject of the debate. If he stays on topic, keep the heat up. The Believers in the audience will forgive the worst verbal attacks you use, but they will think even the mildest replies he makes to you are personal attacks that undermine his argument.
10. Use the word quantum in a sentence, despite not knowing what it means. For a more impressive effect, use it with the name of your favorite superstition - "quantum dowsing" sure sounds mighty serious.
11. Two more words: Paradigm shift.
12. Always claim that the other guy is "closed-minded" and that you're as free-thinking as a newborn baby. Other woo-woos love the concept of "open-mindedness" and will take you into their inner circle without question. They have no tolerance for those "mean old nasty" types who demand evidence for everything.
13. Drink heavily while posting.
14. You must believe that the word "anomaly" means proof of paranormal activity.
15. Use the word "anomaly" as often as possible.
and on and on.
Just remember, if it sounds too good to be true, It's probably B.S.
http://louminatti.blogspot.com/
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Simple Guide to Debunking:
1. State that UFO's can't possibly exist because you haven't seen one.
2. State that all sightings from credible witnesses are swamp gas from uranus.
3. State that all credible military personal to speak of UFO's are lying.
4. UFO's can't exist because travelling to other star systems is impossible with man-made technology, and no alien race could ever surpass our technology.
5. If you work for NASA(Never A Straight Answer), state all anomolies are ice crystals.
Quote from: nightlife on September 27, 2007, 04:06:11 AM
As for a magnetic motor, there are several ways to build one. I was personally going to build one using electronic magnets and permanent magnets and positioning sensors, The sensors would be used like a crank shaft position sensor. It would create a pulse that would activate a electronic magnet to attract the upcoming magnet and then another pulse with the electric magnets polarity switched causing it to push the permanent magnet away.
This would allow us to use the full benefit of the permanent magnets magnetic force.
I forgot to add the fact that it would use multiple permanent magnets and electromagnets with the permanent magnets fixed to a wheel that would rotate and the electromagnets would fixed to a fixed outer perimeter that would surround the wheel.
The wheel would have a shaft through the center that would house a electric generating device on each side of it.
This could be tied into a battery setup that when fully charged to a recommended amp, it would shut down the motor and restart it when they fall under a certain amp. This would help preserve the life of the motor.
There would be other devices needed like a voltage regulator and solenoids to switch the electromagnets polarity?s.
If anyone is inerested, email me at browns49015@yahoo.com
It seems that what your describing is of the most basic electric motors...?
Did you mean electromagnets setup with permanant magnets in a parralel path setup, like joseph flynns motors, or like hildenbrand?
Is it any significantly different from them?
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Then tell us your desgin.
But it still seems like what you have is still a basic electric motor nothing to fund, just got buy a toy car and there you go!
Nightlife:
This sounds to me like a very interesting approach. My suggestion would be to build it and show us what happens. People on here can help you along the way. Keep us posted.
Bill
Does anyone know about the follow up on this? last i heard he was waiting for the next rotor magnets to come in...i still dont see why this one wont work...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMldU0kbcWE
no back torque from the magnets whatsoever....
i bet he already has it working, but wont post the video...probably worrying about some way to make money from it....
It looks like it could work in as in this video once he gets his second batch of magnets.
The question is whether the rotation force is powerful enough to perform work besides being self running?
If there is just a small amount of excess energy it's really great, but then the motor must be built in a super big
scale to provide any useful output. Probably a lot bigger than most households can accommodate.
The force needed to operate a kilowatt generator is equal to the Lenz's law. And when you load a generator 1KW
or more you will be surprised how hard it is to turn the shaft of the generator. It takes raw torque and speed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
Have you heard any news from this guy, Stefan?
For reference if anyone tries. His design looks very promising indeed. Looks like all he needs is three magnets and he's set.. Seems like the metal is carrying over the attraction overlapping the repulsive end. Perfect..
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Well if its just self sustaining then that would be great, first we just need a proof of concept that would shed some light onto this subject, disproving the laws of thermodynamics then once thats recognized to not be exactly correct hardcore R&D with all the new support and interest.
Man made fire before the combustion engine, the wheel before the car.
Quote from: skycaptain on October 18, 2007, 10:28:43 AM
Well if its just self sustaining then that would be great, first we just need a proof of concept that would shed some light onto this subject, disproving the laws of thermodynamics then once thats recognized to not be exactly correct hardcore R&D with all the new support and interest.
Man made fire before the combustion engine, the wheel before the car.
Magnet motors do not defy the laws of thermo-dynamics. The magnets are basically like batteries.
If it self sustains then thats overunity since its overcoming friction, wich is giving off excess energy, and thermodynamics states that there is already a constant amount of energy in the universe, x amount of input into any system results into x amount of total output energy.
Saying that, once the machine is built, it sustainfully overcomes friction and gives of energy without no more input. well call it a battery or interpret the laws wichever way you want, but that little fluke right there is a affect thats not widely taken advantage of. Call it whatever you want but seems science doesnt quit got everything down in plain black and white yet.
Quote from: skycaptain on October 18, 2007, 01:03:37 PM
If it self sustains then thats overunity since its overcoming friction, wich is giving off excess energy, and thermodynamics states that there is already a constant amount of energy in the universe, x amount of input into any system results into x amount of total output energy.
Saying that, once the machine is built, it sustainfully overcomes friction and gives of energy without no more input. well call it a battery or interpret the laws wichever way you want, but that little fluke right there is a affect thats not widely taken advantage of. Call it whatever you want but seems science doesnt quit got everything down in plain black and white yet.
That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet. That energy is what is overcoming the friction not some sort of energy that is being created. Therefore the laws of thermo-dynamics are not being defied.
Quote from: erickdt on October 18, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet.
Are you sure the energy is contained within the magnet, or is the energy traveling through it? That statement has always bothered me, and seems like somethings not right. I don't think science has explained magnetism like it really is. I seem to understand stuff in a visual form better than reading, and I've often wondered what magnetism looks like, and tried to study how it acts. It just doesn't seem like energy is stored inside the magnet, I think its some type of energy traveling through it. I visualize the different poles like hook shape gyroscopic particles, something like what leedskalnin depicted. When in repulsion the hooks will deflect each other in their spinning motion, and hook together when in attraction, sort of like velcro. I however don't pretend to be right, I honestly don't know, I'm still trying to understand it.
Quote from: Freezer on October 18, 2007, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: erickdt on October 18, 2007, 01:50:34 PM
That finite ammount of energy in the Universe includes the energy contained within your magnet.
Are you sure the energy is contained within the magnet, or is the energy traveling through it? That statement has always bothered me, and seems like somethings not right. I don't think science has explained magnetism like it really is. I seem to understand stuff in a visual form better than reading, and I've often wondered what magnetism looks like, and tried to study how it acts. It just doesn't seem like energy is stored inside the magnet, I think its some type of energy traveling through it. I visualize the different poles like hook shape gyroscopic particles, something like what leedskalnin depicted. When in repulsion the hooks will deflect each other in their spinning motion, and hook together when in attraction, sort of like velcro. I however don't pretend to be right, I honestly don't know, I'm still trying to understand it.
To be honest I'm not really sure either. I don't think anyone is. I based this statement on what I know about how ferrite magnets are made and that is by heating an electrified piece of ferrite material. The energy put into making that magnet in then stored within it or at least that's my rationale. Either way, if it's a storage device or some sort of conductor of ubiquitous energy it is not defying the laws of thermo-dynamics. They cannot be broken. I for one believe that "free energy" can be harnessed without breaking the laws of thermo-dynamics.
Yeh leedskalkiin was doing something right... I actually live in florida but ive never been to his coral castle. But my old science teacher lived near it and went to it often when he was a kid, hes now working on his masters er phd er i cant remember exactly but leedskalkin is a big mistery. I still need to read his books. I heard it was written very slangly, but im not sure...
Yes, ferrite magnets are made that way, but probably most here don't use them as they are not as powerful as any of the rare earth type. Yes, it takes energy to "create" a magnet but my theory is that one takes electrical energy to make magnets using an electro magnet and the particles in the new magnet line up to become a magnet. It is the rearranging of the particles that makes a magnet right? So, I do think of a magnet as a type of battery but, not because it stored the electrical energy that was used to make it, it was converted to "magnetic" energy and this is what has been stored, and this is what we, hopefully, can convert into mechanical energy.
So, when people tell me a magnet motor is impossible because you can't create energy, I tell them it would not be creating energy, only converting it in a way not before understood to be possible. No violation of thermal dynamic law.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 18, 2007, 03:24:15 PM
Yes, ferrite magnets are made that way, but probably most here don't use them as they are not as powerful as any of the rare earth type. Yes, it takes energy to "create" a magnet but my theory is that one takes electrical energy to make magnets using an electro magnet and the particles in the new magnet line up to become a magnet. It is the rearranging of the particles that makes a magnet right? So, I do think of a magnet as a type of battery but, not because it stored the electrical energy that was used to make it, it was converted to "magnetic" energy and this is what has been stored, and this is what we, hopefully, can convert into mechanical energy.
Exactly. This is why you need to heat the ferrite material. It has something to do with how the atoms align themselves. I believe that this too is a source of a magnets power. Still though that is simply extracting the potential energy contained within those FE atoms.
An article on the subject on a great website:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/magnet.htm
Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 18, 2007, 03:24:15 PM
So, when people tell me a magnet motor is impossible because you can't create energy, I tell them it would not be creating energy, only converting it in a way not before understood to be possible. No violation of thermal dynamic law.
Bill
Exactly. The unfortunate thing is that this whole issue of thermo-dynamics has been used to discredit the idea of free energy even though none of these various proposals we all have violate thermo-dynamics in any way.
energy cannot be created nor destroyed but can only change form.
can only change form?
this states not only free energy/over unity but perpetuity.
and what is energy? ;)