G'day all,
The article below was posted on the newsgroup; sci.physics. fusion.
If someone has some palladium wire around and access to
some hydrogen this would be a simple experiment.
"Cold Fusion
The theory of cold fusion is that when hydrogen is adsorbed into
palladium
metal the hydrogen atoms get mixed with the electron "gas" in the
metal so
that the protons are able to pack close together so that meson
tunnelling
occurred. This makes a proton-proton atom (it is at a lower energy
level
than two separated protons) which then emits a positron to form
deuterium
which sits at a lower energy level level than the two hydrogen nuclei
it
came from.
The deuterons fuse in a similar way to form helium at a lower energy
again.
The positrons emitted combine with electrons emitting two gamma
photons at
the annihilation frequency the recoil of the nuclei formed make the
reaction
hot and some gamma photons escape.
If you put hydrogen in a tube with palladium filament suspended
inside after
a few days the filament glows red hot and after a while goes white
hot and
makes a very good lamp.
If I recall, I did this experiment at a government lab, somewhere in
England
in about 1969. I was severely punished for my invention and put on
routine
test work.
They said my invention was "strategic" and I should say nothing for
thirty
years.
Times up!
Chris."
Let's see what comes out of this one
Hans von Lieven
Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palladium) on the Wikipedia page regarding Palladium, it says: Palladium's affinity for hydrogen led it to play an essential role in the Fleischmann-Pons experiment in 1989, also known as cold fusion...This metal has the uncommon ability to absorb up to 900 times its own volume of hydrogen at room temperatures. It is thought that this possibly forms palladium hydride (PdH2) but it is not yet clear if this is a true chemical compound...When palladium has absorbed large amounts of hydrogen, it can swell up, like a sponge full of water, visible to the naked eye.
It looks as if some certainly know of palladium/hydrogen paradoxes. The Fleischmann-Pons experiment of 1989, may be very informative.
j
Exactly, though the interesting point here is that no deuterium is being used, just hydrogen and palladium.
Could it work??
I have no idea at this stage.
Hans von Lieven
Palladium is only what, $350 an ounce? The experiment could be easily done.....
G'day Prophmaji and all,
You only need a bit of wire, 50 to 80 bucks will pull it up, but since only the surface of a catalyst works perhaps palladium plated wire will do.(if it doesn't melt that is)
Hans von Lieven
well did you try it?
I need a few more minutes.....
This is interesting. I dug out the original usenet post. Its here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.fusion/browse_thread/thread/60826e9a8bf7f331/76f4b2273771b95f?lnk=gst&q=palladium&rnum=9#76f4b2273771b95f
Strangely it has only one reply. People are not interested? Strange. Because its so simple.
Even platinum absorbs huge amount of H2. Works best with powered metal.
IMO, a way to confirm that this is indeed fusion, one must collect the He gas which should come out. It will be a sure sign of fusion occurring. So the question is how to detect it without using expensive spectroscopy etc, He never reacts with anything AFAIK.
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 10, 2007, 05:02:47 PM
If you put hydrogen in a tube with palladium filament suspended inside after a few days the filament glows red hot and after a while goes white hot and makes a very good lamp.
If it makes a good lamp, How bright is it, and how long will it last? Would it be good enough to replace current lamps? If it is bright enough, say a 60w or 75w bulb could be replaced and that is equivalent to 60w or 75w of electricity usage for lights.
Just my thoughts, but probably not likely because of the Gamma that is put off as well... :-\
Hmmm.....according to the wikipedia article cited above:
"The largest use of palladium today is in catalytic converters. Much research is in progress to discover ways to replace the much more expensive platinum with palladium in this application."
Sooo......somebody crack open an old catalytic converter and get the palladium out of it.
I also had an idea: What happens if you put this palladium into water? The wiki article also states, aside from the hydrogen absorbtion, that "This metal also does not react with oxygen at normal temperatures (and thus does not tarnish in air)." Maybe it will react with the hydrogen in water?
Just a thought.
Seriously, no joke, who here wants to fool around with something which can emit gamma radiation? It doesn't get any worse than this stuff.
I can see why this discovery is "strategic", if one can take two commonly found materials and combine them to have a gamma ray emitter. It's not something you'd want your neighborhood sociopath to know about.
j
By the way, anybody know, what come out of the guy from Florida,
that sold his Palladium-Nickel beads cold fusion cell to Motorola ?
What has Motorola since then doen with it ?
They wanted to develop a marketable product by now...
Was it again locked away in a safe ?
Regards, Stefan.
Hey here is the cold fusion device that you can make it folks:
Warning! ?Warning!?Warning!?
After cold fusion reaction takes place (Enormous Heat is gets created but
no harmful or nuclear emmission at all)
Bu
The cold (hot) fusion reaction will not stop even you turn the 12 volt power off!
You don?t want this to explode before you! Will explode even if you try to cool off under ice cold water. Just so you know.
The way to get around this: To use a safety valve!
Where your cell?s pressure re will always have second cell to escape!
When it?ll gets cooled off same fluid (Heavy water) will return back to your cell!
Materials Needed:
1- Palladium: coin, bar, etc? 99.999%
2- Heavy Water: (Folks, be careful!!! ) While you try to purchase this material Chemical company will inform the police.
Then you are caught
So don?t get arrested by police! You can get convicted as a terrorist to make a dirty bomb! They use same water in nuclear power stations, etc.
The best way to get the heavy water is from Universities, or you can take this drawing and probably and talk to physic professor?s and they usually are helpful to do this experiment in their University class. Or give some heavy water?
This simple design was given to me; by a dear friend of mine (brilliant scientist)
Michel Mendel that was killed by the Sheriff in 1990?s in Montana, US.
He used to always have a pure palladium coin in his pocket and showed me.
Now a little bit of other things for you: Why things are controlled?
Aren?t they clever: They engineered terrorisms, used a remote controlled plains run into world trade center. Then push the remote controlled buttons, and one by one controlled demolish the twin towers? Don?t you remember 5 Israeli agents were caught on New Jersey on top of the building video taping and jumping up and down and celebrating to fall of the buildings? ( Can?t you almost hear them saying:::
We did it, we did guys? Wow they are came down, come on man video tape don?t miss any thing!!!, I didn?t think was going to happen Wow? we did it)
When the expert demolition boys were caught: Oh they said, we work with you we are allies with you guys, we have to get those terrorist!!! You know rest of the crap!
30 years a go they used to tech in US high schools of economy classes that;
?War stimulates the economy? Masters of deception engineered every little detail how to control and profit out of the civilization! They deceived most people, but not all! Neither the great adepts beyond the veil of mortal limitation? Therefore, this fallen race will be judged, here or here after and be no more. The second death is designed to completely recycle ?the man he who has lost the soul and do nothing but all evil? in a super disguised manner!!!
Mem
could cause a real big reaction boom,,,,
The palladium was 1cc in size.
It blew the lab to bits. Afterwards they
Put a thick ring shield around it..
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13318030.600.html
Quote from: Mem on September 13, 2007, 04:14:38 PM
Warning! ?Warning!?Warning!?
After cold fusion reaction takes place (Enormous Heat is gets created but
no harmful or nuclear emmission at all)
Bu
The cold (hot) fusion reaction will not stop even you turn the 12 volt power off!
You don?t want this to explode before you! Will explode even if you try to cool off under ice cold water. Just so you know.
G'day all,
There is no problem buying Deuterium, It's not even all that expensive. Tritium (another isotopologue of water) is another story. First it is radioactive and emits alpha particles and secondly it is much scarcer than Deuterium.
Perhaps someone here confused the two.
Hans von Lieven
G'day all,
Is this the application of what this fellow was talking about, Is palladium here the "secret" catalyst?
Have a look at what they are gearing up to sell in Great Britain. Is this a cold fusion device?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2007%2F09_02%2FheaterMOS1509_468x475.jpg&hash=6effaf36c91c850598fbdaba5d2b2f3cf31af4b2)
For the full article, this is the link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 16, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
G'day all,
Is this the application of what this fellow was talking about, Is palladium here the "secret" catalyst?
Have a look at what they are gearing up to sell in Great Britain. Is this a cold fusion device?
For the full article, this is the link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965
Hans von Lieven
this is awesome!
edit - but what about "and a secret liquid catalyst, based on chrome."?
G'day again,
Omega supplied a link in relation to this device in another thread. I thought it would be appropriate to include my reply here as it gives an idea of the development of the device;
Thanks for the link. I have read maryyugo's comments and checked out the 2003 article he refers to.
In that article the cell described is a blatant copy of the Fleischmann Pons experiment except that they are using a potassium carbonate solution instead of deuterium.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fgraphics%2F2003%2F05%2F18%2Fncell18.gif&hash=be0c54a6383d6dea71b4d234acfba336edeb2d90)
In the original cell (pictured above) they used platinum as the catalyst. Also in the new design they do not generate the steam directly as here, but use the device as an immersion heater instead. Palladium appears to be better suited for the process so I think they are using this now. His criticism of the power supply is just, though I feel this is only a concept drawing by the person designing the diagram rather than the actual power supply (which incidentally should at least be DC) As far as the liquid catalyst based on chrome is concerned, I cannot see how that could work.
As to the credibility of the reviewer, what can one say? Those kind of idiots are always around in this sort of scene trying to explain any new idea that receives publicity in terms of their own weird theories in order to gain credibility.
That in itself is not necessarily a negative sign as to the workability of the device.
Time will tell on this one, perhaps there is something there. Or perhaps it is just another scam.
Hans von Lieven.
Maybe they are now electroplating the electrodes or at least
one electrode with a thin chrome layer ?
Has anyone tried to electroplate the electrodes with thin layers
of different metals and tried then using this for an electrolysis cell ?
If one would do this with nickel and palladium,
one might also get a good efficiency.
G'day Stefan and all,
I had thought about using palladium plated wire or plate but I am having trouble getting it done. Rhodium plating is no problem, all jewellery plating places do that but palladium is hard. Perhaps I am trying in the wrong places.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 16, 2007, 08:51:43 PM
G'day Stefan and all,
I had thought about using palladium plated wire or plate but I am having trouble getting it done. Rhodium plating is no problem, all jewellery plating places do that but palladium is hard. Perhaps I am trying in the wrong places.
Hans von Lieven
Here It was planed to try several Spark Plugs (several Metals available) as Anode or Kathode because they are stabil by temperature
Just as idea
Helmut
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Helmut,
You need the catalytic action of the palladium for the process to work. Any one of the platinum group metals will probably work but palladium is deemed best.
Perhaps an osmium or iridium filament from a light globe will work? Worth a try maybe.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on September 17, 2007, 06:04:21 PM
Helmut,
You need the catalytic action of the palladium for the process to work. Any one of the platinum group metals will probably work but palladium is deemed best.
Perhaps an osmium or iridium filament from a light globe will work? Worth a try maybe.
Hans von Lieven
And what about this: Z?ndkerze NGK CR9EVX Gold Palladium
or:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1268354.html
helmut
Sorry Helmut,
Never heard of a palladium spark plug, makes sense though, I have to check if I can buy one here in Australia.
Hans von Lieven
Please if you find a good place to buy palladium post it here.
Heavy Water:
dissolve 14mg Deuterium-Oxide Powder in 1 liter of water..
palladium metal is under TSCA (SARA Title III) Status, whic means the EPA has a say in what can/can't be done with it. seems its rather expensive too.
http://www.advent-rm.com/lines.asp?criteria=material&materialID=34
heres one source, but you may want do to some more shopping, i didnt look hard.
palladium can be bought through several on line dealers who specialize in coins souced from companies like Englehard. Also, there are some dealers in elements on ebay. They are the reliable ones with thousands of sales. Many are not in the US. Ask yourself why it is restricted in use. Nefarious? I dunno. I've no idea, I've just learned that it is prudent to expect the worst.
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G'day Smokey,
I am buying mine at he same place you are. I just bought 4 kg of it and the guy gave me a discount. When it arrived it was in a cardboard box with an eagle and a swastika on it. It would appear it came from Hermann Goering's secret hoard. At 14 mg/l it should last me a while :-)
Never mind, its probably good quality.
Hans von Lieven
Sorry guys about the blank posts,
my Pooter is playing up :-[
Hans von Lieven
Ive read somewhere that a cold fusion battery is being commercially developed in France....does anyone know about this?
@mapsrg I think you mean this...
jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/nfrcnam/index.htm
Quote from: Prophmaji on September 12, 2007, 09:48:00 PM
Palladium is only what, $350 an ounce? The experiment could be easily done.....
My thoughts exactly, well in my dreams at least! :D :D :D
Palladium plating is cheap Brian,
I don't think you need more than that. Besides, gold is more expensive and no-one balks at that, I wonder why?
Hans
Catalytic converters from cars are made of ceramic and a bit of palladium. The palladium does absorb 900 percent hydrogen. I believe the real process occurring is that when the hydrogen is packed into the palladium and a small electric charge is applied, then it acts to bring together the atoms of hydrogen closer and thus perhaps breakdown the forces, thus you fuse them.
Good Luck..
Quote from: mapsrg on September 24, 2007, 05:19:21 AM
Ive read somewhere that a cold fusion battery is being commercially developed in France....does anyone know about this?
yes i am from france
and this is utopia, but today nothing happened
http://www.utopiatech.fr/downloads/PRESENTATION%20VOITURE.pdf
http://www.utopiatech.fr/gpage.html
we are waiting for something real