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Title: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 05:43:29 AM
ok i have one simulation with working model 2d that should get my point of how this thing could work. this simulation does not show over unity but it is a guide towards getting my point across. i need help with coming up with the mechanism for the moving parts to work together.


ok when you watch the simulation does not the smaller weight pickup the bigger weight because of leverage? look at frame number 108. is not the bigger weight at a higher point from where it started from? could we not just roll this bigger weight horizontally down a ramp then back to its initial starting point somehow? a ramp that looks like this symbol >
while this happens it also somehow picks up the smaller weight and sets it back to its initial start position, perhaps another type of ramp that guides the smaller weight to its starting point. then everything starts again.
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 05:54:32 AM
any thoughts?
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: armagdn03 on September 14, 2007, 10:26:07 AM
What file extension is that. I cant read it
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: exnihiloest on September 14, 2007, 11:05:20 AM
Quote from: armagdn03 on September 14, 2007, 10:26:07 AM
What file extension is that. I cant read it

http://www.design-simulation.com/WM2D/index.php
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: Freezer on September 14, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
Can you output the file as another format?  I don't have any program that reads wm2d either.
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
get working model 2d here: http://hackersclub.net/unity/download.php?view.5
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 04:14:46 PM
hansvonlieven what do you think?

i also changed from frame 111 to frame 108.

108 seems better


peace
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: hansvonlieven on September 15, 2007, 04:44:03 AM
G'day FreeEnergy,

I just had a look at your animation. Frankly, I am confused. The fulcrum of the pendulum appears to move in an arc. I do not know why you would want to do that but lets assume for a minute there is a valid reason. How do you propose to achieve this. Unless the entire assembly is mounted on the perimeter of a turning disk which is driven by a motor.

Tell me what you have in mind and what you are trying to achieve.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 15, 2007, 07:37:47 AM
i don't know what the mechanism will be exactly but from this animation it shows that the bigger weight is lifted up slightly because of leverage from the smaller weight. the bigger weight doesn't go up very high but the point is that at some point the bigger weight goes slightly up from its starting position and the system dies.

i don't know what the mechanism would be but after the system dies couldn't we roll the bigger weight horizontally back to its starting position. maybe the bigger weight disconnects from the system, and while it does that we get kinetic energy which somehow mechanically resets the system.

its still half baked idea, need help.

4:37 am. need sleep  :(

peace  :)


edit - forgot to add attachment.
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: hansvonlieven on September 15, 2007, 04:18:32 PM
G'day FreeEnergy,

This drawing is clearer, though I don't see where there is an advantage.

Essentially what you have are two coupled pendula, since the excentrically mounted flywheel (for want of a better term) behaves just like a pendulum under those conditions. A single pendulum with the same mass and the same distance from fulcrum to centre of gravity will have to be more efficient, since the two pendula in your drawing are fighting each other to some extend because the natural resonant frequency is not the same. The natural frequency of a pendulum is dependent ONLY on the distance between fulcrum and centre of gravity not on mass or anything else.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: this might work - gravity - need help
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 15, 2007, 04:29:50 PM
thanks for the reply.

i guess i will move on to a different project and see what i can do later with this idea.
for now its half baked.

peace