Just read this on Steorn's forum, but didn't know where to post it :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=481996&in_page_id=1965)
"Jim Lyons, of the University of York...: ...we were getting 150 to 200 per cent more energy out than we put in, without trying too hard. "
;D
I was wondering what had happened to Gardner Watts, I thought it had gone bust - certainly the website has gone.
www.gardnerwatts.org (They lost this domain Sept. 15, 2006)
Not much info here:
http://www.ecowatts.com
The only thing that concerns me with this device is that one of the heat generating systems they were developing consumed the metal of the anode or was it cathode. This in turn contaminated the electrolyte to the point where the reaction would no longer work.
TEC and HEC were the two processes as I remember it. (thermal energy cell and hydrogen energy cell or something like that)
Seems they have overcome the degrade of the electrodes problem.
I have spoken with Chris Davies on a couple of occasions about a year ago.
If they are selling them for 1500 GBP each I will buy one.
Regards
Rob
G'day all,
For a possible explanation how this works look at this thread: Breakthrough on cold fusion, did someone let the cat out of the bag?
Hans von Lieven
"...and a secret liquid catalyst, based on chrome."
so not open source tech?
Before you decide to buy this thing, consider some debunking being done here:
http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/2007/09/in-flux.html
Check the comments by someone called maryyugo.
Anyway lets hope this doesn't disappear like the cavitation heater by Griggs, before it hits the market.
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G'day Omega and all,
Thanks for the link. I have read maryyugo's comments and checked out the 2003 article he refers to.
In that article the cell described is a blatant copy of the Fleischmann Pons experiment except that they are using a potassium carbonate solution instead of deuterium.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fgraphics%2F2003%2F05%2F18%2Fncell18.gif&hash=be0c54a6383d6dea71b4d234acfba336edeb2d90)
In the original cell (pictured above) they used platinum as the catalyst. Also in the new design they do not generate the steam directly as here, but use the device as an immersion heater instead. Palladium appears to be better suited for the process so I think they are using this now. His criticism of the power supply is just, though I feel this is only a concept drawing by the person designing the diagram rather than the actual power supply (which incidentally should at least be DC)
As to the credibility of the reviewer, what can one say? Those kind of idiots are always around in this sort of scene trying to explain any new idea that receives publicity in terms of their own weird theories in order to gain credibility.
That in itself is not necessarily a negative sign as to the workability of the device.
Time will tell on this one, perhaps there is something there. Or perhaps it is just another scam.
Hans von Lieven.
Sorry guys, something happened here when I tried to amend my post and I don't seem to be able to fix it. The last version is the amended post.
Hans von Lieven
Maryyugo!!!
HAHA!
That is the most bitter and ill tongued "skeptical" that ever was banned from Steorn forum, that now pours his bitterness in freeenergytracker just because he/she is not allowed in Steorn.
Much has been debated about who he/she is really, but once was called Bob and reacted in a viciously agressive way. (Theres is some famous skeptical who actively and rabidly pursues FE claims named Robert something, can't remember the name exactly).
G'day Chileanone,
Maryyugo might be an idiot, The 2003 article that I quoted nevertheless is real'
Let us have an objective evaluation of the technology. Could it work? I don't know. Let us try to find out.
Hans von Lieven
Mary... alias autmandc. Have to visit just to see what spews forth.
thaelin
Dear Omaga O,
Griggs machine did not disappear from the market it just morphed, check out the link below, also it was not very efficient when it came to producing heat, I remember reading a 50% increase in heat output, you can get 300% with a heat pump and they are much cheaper. They have chosen a different market sectors where its advantages gives it an edge over its competitors and they have been very creative in there thinking. I am not an American but I certainly admire this type of American ingenuity.
http://www.hydrodynamics.com/about_us.html
I certainly agree with you we should be very sceptical, there have been too many con men in the OU field for too long and they give everybody a bad name, a couple of weeks ago the head of Ab Europositron a Finish firm who was developing a wonder battery out of Aluminum have been closed down here is the link
http://www.europositron.com/en/index.html
The inventor Rainer Partanen has been arrested for fraud. Even then I am still keeping an open mind, being the cynic I am I ask the question who stands to gain if this product does what it is supposed to do and doesn't come to market, who benefits from the Status Quo? I am certain that there is a reaction when an electric current is passed thought certain chemical configurations that produces more heat than is put in, call it cold fusion if you like, to me that is just the word they gave it because they didn't understand what was causing it as there was no chemical reactions that could account for the excess heat. Here is another technology that is similar and certainly does work, has been tested thousands of times and is reputed to produce 1,000 times more heat out than is put in, not the 50% of this device. Now imagine what would happen if this came on the market when you could buy a machine where you put in 1 kilowatt of electrical energy in and got out a Megawatt of heat. The saying used to be build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door in this case it might be true, but I wouldn't be too keen on opening the door. Here is a link by the way
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETI_Patterson_Power_Cell
Deep regards
Yorkshire miner