The Water Fuel Cell Basics.
let?s look at Stan?s main drawing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Water_fuel_cell_circuit.png, here we have a power supply, a transformer witch is not essential but dose help, so we wont go into that now, a frequency generator, a diode, two bifilar wound chokes, and a capacitor.
We now know that 2Ampers and 5Volts input, that?s 10 watt?s, is all we need. We can get far more then that from most power supplies.
The frequency generator needs to produce a square wave form, those square wave pulses also need to be gated so that the voltage fields don?t rise to such a level that they arch.
The pulses need to match the resonant frequency of the inductor and capacitor.
Ok,
The transformer is an unnecessary luxury and is for a more advanced model of the water fuel cell; we will not go into that.
Now we come to the [diode] this is there to keep the Water capacitor (Stainless steel plates/tubes) charged, it dose not let the high voltage fields wash out of the capacitor, but lets the voltage build up charge slowly.
Ok,
Now we come to the inductor (choke), this is a very important part of the circuit. When a pulse hits the inductor, the inductor generates an electromagnetic field. This then waits for the second pulse. When the second pulse hits the choke, the choke then lets out the first pulse witch goes to the water capacitor and gets stored in there and gets multiplied on it self each time.
Then it washes back out to the inductor, but not past because the High voltage diode dose not let it. So it now makes a bigger charge with each oscillation.
Then the momentum starts building with each pulse, the voltage is now resonating up, down, up, down.
This is responsible for the step charge effect, the voltage is rising.
This happens many times before the gate wave form stops the voltage from arching.
This is how the voltage gets to such high levels with 5Volts and 2Ampers; and this is the role of the inductor.
Ok,
Now let?s look at the water capacitor, this is made up of stainless steel plates/tubes, forming a capacitor. This is where the high voltage builds up charge, so that the tremendous voltage fields are made in the water between the plates in the capacitor.
That is how the LC resonance in the water fuel cell builds up high voltage fields.
The key is LC resonance, or tank circuit resonance.
LC resonance is a ?choke/inductor? (copper wire wound around a ferrite core) witch is L, and a ?capacitor? (the stainless steel plates/tubes) witch is C.
When you put a pulse through an LC circuit you will not get much of a reaction, but if you slowly tune, or do some hard math, you can find the resonant frequency depending on the values of the components.
The right frequency will resonate with the capacitor and the inductor, but you need to find resonance.
Good,
Now let?s look at what is actually happening to the water molecule.
The conventional electrolysis method uses amperage. Lots of it, and the energy used is not recovered after the Hydrogen and the oxygen recombine.
Now that we are using high voltage fields and very little amperage we don?t use much wattage but get lots of hydrogen.
Let?s take the normal water molecule; it has two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
Now the problem with breaking apart the water molecule is the covalent bond of the water molecule, this is the electrons that hold it together. But now that we are using high voltage fields we can ?strip? of the electrons, leaving the hydrogen and oxygen free to rise to the top as a gas mixture.
We have now broken the water molecule with high voltage fields by affecting the electrons only.
Imagine the water molecule is held together by a lock witch is the electron. The conventional electrolysis process is like trying to smash apart the lock; it takes so much energy to do that.
But what we are now doing is unlocking the covalent bond of the water molecule using voltage, ?plucking? or ?extracting? the electrons. This uses much less electricity, and is more efficient.
It also dose not break the laws of thermodynamics.
During the process of stripping the electrons, the water molecule looses its electrons, the hydrogen and oxygen then goes into the piston in an engine. It needs to use its other electrons to reform that covalent bond,
But if you try and re-use that water coming out of the exhaust, it won?t disassociate, you can?t.
Before that water can be reused, is needs to go up into the atmosphere and join the clouds, get re-energized by the sun and fall back to earth, it acts like a solar panel, to get that covalent bonding electron.
The second you start using electricity to make photons to ?re energize? the ?stripped? water molecules is the second you loose the net energy gain.
All energy comes from our sun.
Thank you!
I had posted d followin in stan replic thread for d above n got no reply, hope i get 1 here:
PULSED)ReverseH/OfuelcelI>>>>>
Dats a terrific rundown! Where have u been all along mate??
What do you think of pancake bifilar? cud u use them here? as these don use cores atall wud they give d same effect as bifilars wound on long ferrite rod core? wot difference is there in outputs? I kinda dont understand how pancakes wud work. Wot kinda diodes would u suggest wit d bifilars as voltages go pretty high?
Gh. J.
Hey Gheller J,
You asked,
Q: What do you think of pancake bifilar?
A: I don?t know what a pancake bifilar is, what I am using is just a ferrite core with one layer of copper wire, 0.3mm thick. I would just use that size, normal chokes.
Q: Could you use them here?
A: just stick with the normal bifilar wound choke.
Q: as these don?t use cores at all would they give the same effect as bifilar wound on a long ferrite rod core?
A: ?... What dose that mean? It dose use cores, ferrite cores.
Q: what difference is there in outputs?
A: the bifilar coil makes a better magnetic field.
Q: What kind of diodes would you suggest with the bifilar as voltages go pretty high?
A: a diode NTE 5817 3A Silicone Rectifier I geuss, but any one that will withstand voltages higher than 1500 volts.
I hope this helps, and if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask at the water fuel cell forum in the link above, or here.
If you noticed, I upgraded the ?water fuel cell rundown? above. I sort of cleaned it up.
Thank you for being so kind Heller.
thanks for sharing that information, I would really like to build one, hopefully I will be able to get a frequency generator soon :)
can you explain more about the parts you did not talk on your first post?
Thanks!
;D
G'day raisdfist,
Use your computer as the function generator. I have posted a programme for this on another thread, it gives you up to ten independent oscillators with complete control over frequency, wave shape and amplitude.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3354.msg51684.html#msg51684
Hope this helps
Hans von Lieven
Pulse, i really like your work. you was the first that i had ran into when i first started testing the water fuel cell. i really like the fact that you are taking action and not thoughts. Keep up the good work bud, i can see that you will get this working really soon.
Hydrocars.
Thanks for the reply! As for the freq genetator... the output would be from my soundcard right? also how would I hook this to my 5v power source from the out of my sound card without having power going back into the soundcard ? also if it is the case, would an amplifier helps? I got a 1000w Mono kenwood subwoofer amplifier in my car that I could use to play with this :) this looks a lot more promising than trowing a bunch of amps @ 12v in my cap :) I cant wait to play with that, I am learning so much since I started reading these forums and that I just build it! =)
Thanks!
Hey Pulsed)
sorry abt d delay in replyin was pretty sick still recoverin
What I meant by pancake bifilars was the one in d Tesla patent
He doesnt show u any core in d figure
Thanks for d diodes spec
How abt usin high speed diodes for d BEMF utilization? Any specs on which 2 use?
Gh. J.
Quote from: PULSED)ReverseH/OfuelcelI on September 24, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
A: the bifilar coil makes a better magnetic field.
False.
And you can be sure i checked out my faqs more then just once this time...
Serial bifilar create a capacitance that is calculated to be 250 000 times greater then in a normal coil.
A normal coil + a capacitor would have the same effect as the one you are trying to achive with serial bifilars alone.
Hi Pulsed.
Nice write-up. But incorrect in many ways.
A couple of questions:
Everybody seems to assume - and indeed, in most cases - simply accept that the wfc electrodes act as a capacitor, but this is really only true when pure water with no impurities is used. Other than that its more like a resistor!
So, assuming we are only using normal tap water as supposedly SM did in his water car, and given that this is a very poor dielectric and hence makes for a very, very poor capacitor, how is the charge build up on the electrodes stopped from travelling accross the water medium at a relatively low potential? Surely the potential difference across the electrodes only has to reach a very low level before the charges are a-off and travelling.
The other, quite important point is that the blocking diode actually stops the circuit from resonating in the first place. Flawed electronics theory I'm afraid.
Thanks. Farrah Day :-*