....can be an helpful point of view,so to imagine and evolve the well known water mill or windmill in a new stage,frame,flux,flow. It can be the problem a gravity mill...
Fixing objects and falling masses are two different aspects of a gravity field/flow as statics/dynatic pictures of the same phenomenon.
Only dynamic is interested in the accelerated aspect of this nonlinear flow.So,we can play the mathematical Newton's binom of an unequal lever...in some way.
All the Bests! / Alex
P-Motion
Quote
What surprises me is how very few people have actually tried using gravity only.
I have contacted Myth Busters to see if they are interested in challenging the P.M. myth.
The TV series Myth Busters did construct a perpetual motion wheel using pressurised gas tanks/bottles. I don't exactly recall all the deatails but the rotational speed was something in the order of around 1cm per minute. :-\
P-Motion
There are other forums on the net that strictly cater for "gravity only" perpetual motion. such as....... http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=67aaba958139d5dfa142d9b159fecfdb
P S......hurry up, you'll catch some good laughs regarding their "Chas Campbell Motor" Topic......poor Ashtweth / epistemologicide is being crucified by ovyyus (obviously I saw it comming!!!) :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Hi PMotion!
As I understand the explanation on the "youtube",it seems to me a kind of old Stevin "redivivus" concept,or an attempt to imagine an asymmetry into an Euclidian space...or a constant property,flow.
But you know ,we are living on the beach of a domain,where we can notice sometimes an accelerated fall/flow.
So,by and by ,Euclid becomes ,comes to be Lobachevky regarding space.
This observation can be used,if we think about dynamics,also:linearity turns to nonlinearity.
By the way,welcome Sevich!
All the Bests! / Alex
Hi Alex, it's been a long time! :)
Quote from: iacob alex
But you know ,we are living on the beach of a domain,where we can notice sometimes an accelerated fall/flow.
...
This observation can be used,if we think about dynamics,also:linearity turns to nonlinear
Alex, I feel very strongly that all doors to the world of (gravity) perpetual motion leads to the same bottle neck which is incorporated is the
Swirl, Vortex, Curl, Slope, Funnel, Centrifugal / Centripetal....... Hope to complete/build my latest design within a week or two 8) ......hows yours comming along ?
PS.......failure of the "Chas Campbel" motor is viewed as a great relief to me to the point that "perpetual motion trophy" is still up for grabs ;D
the gravity wheel basics....preferably with as little weight movement as possible.....
Hi Sevich!
I wish you success to complete and build your latest design.
As you said, the key word ,so to understand the first step of a possible gravity powered device,is vortex(whirlpool,swirl,eddy,undercurrent,counterflow,tourbillion,tornado...).
Any of these key words,can be a starting point,a stimulus to imagine a practical "something",able to load up this invisible flow,we are living in.This flow comes into our view with falling bodies.
The problem is that the gravity flow has a particularity:an ever increasing velocity,if the flow is free.It asks for time(height/distance) to become manifest,evident.
I intend to post at my web site in the future some new line drawing.
All the Bests / Alex
All the Bests! / Alex
Hi P-Motion
Quote from: P-Motion on September 30, 2007, 01:49:53 PM
With gravity, I think that it may be possible for a body to leverage its' own motion. In a couple of weeks, I am going to redo the 2nd video (maybe sooner). I also will show my design. It is very simple looking. Hopefully I can give an explanation that is readily understood. If not, then posting a video on its' theory is a waste of time.
Maybe leveraging it's own out of ballance motion whilst in rotation and only during rotation. I think it's possible, it's simillar to the design I'm working on at the moment which will include "push-pull_pull-push" mechanisms
look forward to your design and explanation as well as second video redo.
I also hope to create a short video soon.
Quote from: iacob alex on September 29, 2007, 09:47:44 PM
Hi Sevich!
I wish you success to complete and build your latest design.
I intend to post at my web site in the future some new line drawing.
Thanx Alex
I'll keep an eye on your website for your latest drawings/info
@ Mapsrg
Hope you don't mind ?
Maybe this has been tried before ???
(please ignore the extra paddle below) ...my mistake
Good luck !
....setting side by side is noticeably clear in their relation with the time factor:only an accelerated flow is in a relationship,attachment with the time aspect of the gravity.
So,in my opinion, this is the main spotlight of a possible gravity powered device:if you need free energy,then set it "free''..in a certain mode,approach,procedure...
All the Bests ...and success! / Alex
@ P-Motion
Quotep.s., how do you add attachment for pic ? I've tried before but with no success.
To create a new post with an attachment (picture) just click on "reply" at the bottom of the page, and then click on "browse" and then add your pic and then click "open" and lastly click on "post"
8)
Quote from: sevich on September 30, 2007, 10:52:39 PM
@ Mapsrg
Hope you don't mind ?
Maybe this has been tried before ???
(please ignore the extra paddle below) ...my mistake
Good luck !
interesting drawing. i've seen similar designs except yours has a twist. looks good, you would need to put it to the test in real life to see if it really works.
peace
...can be a starting point, to think about the difference ,between what we know and what we are looking for.
If a common "wheel concept" is well adapted for a watermill(continuous constant flow),then for a "gravity mill"(continuous accelerated flow),must we imagine something different,unlike?!
Maybe yes,maybe not...this nonconformity,discrepancy can be that distinguishing a common wheel concept(many spokes) and a "minimal" wheel concept(two spokes only...so a lever).
In a way,we are playing the same touch off...the wheel concept.
Gravity is a high power source...we understand this,if we take into account a big waterfall(cascade).
But gravity fall/flow is in every place ...we need a kind of a mechanical "dam"( we can think up this,as an "inertial dam") and a controlled flow of the power...as a copier,mimic of the well known waterfall design.
Again,a minimal design...
A fall in the gravitational field is equivalent to a high level of a power peak
We can imagine about pulse forming with the help of a pendular arrangement in connection with an flywheel(heavy hub).
.This flywheel is slowly charged from the gravity(power source) and then quickly discharged from short time period to provide a pulsed energy.
This accelerated fall/flow is ever increasing,if we play the time(size) factor.
It seems that at a certain magnitude, we can get that we need, from this nonlinear charge:adequate stored power for any pulsed sequence,so to determine a self -running function for the "gravity mill" and more important...power for our applicability.
All the Bests! / Alex
Hello Sevich,
Is the "perpetual motion trophy" still up for grabs?
It has been a couple of weeks and I was wondering about your progress.
Quote from: sevich on September 28, 2007, 09:35:58 PM
. . .
Hope to complete/build my latest design within a week or two 8) ......hows yours comming along ?
PS.......failure of the "Chas Campbel" motor is viewed as a great relief to me to the point that "perpetual motion trophy" is still up for grabs ;D
@ bessler007
Firstly, welcome to "overunity.com"
I hope you'll find your stay here considerablly more enjoyable than your previous one. ;D You'll also notice the tolerance level here is more humane, and unlike "besslerwheel.com" there is no frankenstein "reputation system" attached ..... I personaly view that system as grossly judjmental and a sure loophole for intimidation and corrupt conduct by members in group voting, vote hoarding and the likes.
Oh, I almost forgot. My PM progress results at that time has shown constant dismal failings throughout. Guess I was'nt that keen to anounce my failures on this forum at that time due to stress.
In the last week i've purchased well over $300.00 worth of magnets from http://www.lodestoneindustries.com.au as well as $160.00 worth of other miscellaneous materials for PM building.
I have 3 new designs to test in the next few weeks....(gravity, gravity and magnetic)
Anyway, as they say, the wheels are in motion.........pardon the pun ;D
BTW how are your hands on experiments coming along ?
Sevich,
Thanks for the welcome.
I don't think they deliberately set out to create a cult, rather it's a reflection of the personalities of the core leadership at besslerwheel. It is a monster as you say. It's sad.
My hands on experiments are coming along just fine. My hands are on a pencil and I put that pencil to paper. When I'm very curious about some function I'll put it in a spreadsheet and see what kind of curve it produces. At times I wonder about the intersection of curves and that's best examined with a spreadsheet. It gets too complicated for my feeble art skills.
For example someone at bessler asked what I think they imagined to be a rhetorical question about when movement should occur to maximize it. I doubt seriously they had an answer they could defend. Eventually I came to an answer. Defensible answers are harder to come to than the simple questions that cause them.
The answer is the result of the intersection of two 4 dimensional curves as far as I can tell. I could defend my opinion with the math but I have a hard time doing that with people wanting to laugh at the method and results. They can let reality do their math for them as far as I'm concerned. hehehe.
The benefit for me is this. I can describe that intersection in one sentence to the degree that any mathematician could develop their own proof and check the validity of the conclusion. It also gives me a concise tool that I suppose describes reality. It's a foundation for thought.
It sounds like you're gearing up for an all out build or two. :) Best of luck to you. Having built quite extensively I've concluded I want to know a couple of things before I ever build again.
- What principle am I attempting to model?
- Is the principle mathematically sound?
- Can I defend the mathematics either on paper or with a homemade analog computer (a part of the model)?
I have at least one principle that I suppose I can defend mathematically but I'm still looking at it.
Hello P-Motion,
Of course I don't mind.
Recently I was looking at a discussion about movement along the z-axis as if it were some silver bullet to perpetual motion. I don't think that's the case. At some point in time you want gravity to catch the mass and project it's energy on to the plane of rotation. The more room you give the mass to move the more time it takes. There's only so much time and in my opinion you can't afford to be wasting it.
The displacement of mass in three dimensions that is changing wrt to a rotation should be 4 dimensions. Time is a dimension and, at least the way I've looked at it, acceleration is also.
When mass is displaced laterally wrt the 2 dimensional plane of rotation you're eating valuable time.Sometimes I'm not to clear on a point. Here is the point. Attempt to understand what you're doing to the highest degree you possibly can. That's the method I use to come to conclusions and I strongly recommend it. I don't mind suggesting methods and I do that. At times I'll share my conclusions. I just did that in the second paragraph.
The solution to perpetual motion is no small matter. If it's possible it's a very valuable thing.
Quote from: P-Motion on January 12, 2008, 08:03:12 PM
Bessler, Mind if I ask what you mean by a 4 dimensional curve or radius ?
I know a path (x,y and z) would be 3 dimensional and mass and velocity can add 2 more.
A wheel could be 4 dimensional. Is this what you're refering to ?
P-Motion,
It might be less expensive to make a form and pour concrete to get your weights. If you're looking for a lot of precision that might not be an answer. Lead is easy to work with.
It's always good to reduce your expenses. Best of luck.
probably some duplication:
1,340,000 for perpetual motion. (0.11 seconds)