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Title: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: snowblind on October 04, 2007, 01:13:19 AM
Test could be made on a really small scale quite easily

[edit] sorry for the crude drawing
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 04, 2007, 02:43:41 AM
correct me if im wrong.

water only levels it self and does not push it self up.

the falling water or the weight of the water in the tank will not be sufficient enough to push water up.

sorry, try again :) and never give up  :D



peace

Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: helmut on October 04, 2007, 02:45:04 AM
What liquid is in use?

helmut
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: hansvonlieven on October 04, 2007, 03:33:58 AM
G'day all,

It does not matter what liquid. What FreeEnergy is saying holds true for ALL liquids.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: twosox on October 04, 2007, 07:14:16 AM
capillary action, maybe? looks more like an open hydraulic ram system type thingy.
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: Freezer on October 04, 2007, 08:01:00 AM
This is something similar, but not quite the same.  It uses water, and a pump, but I don't know how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy4yRrOw2Ww&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: ken_nyus on October 04, 2007, 09:02:22 AM
If the principle in this device actually worked, then you would be able to place one end of a straw in the ocean, and water should start spurting out of the other end!
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: snowblind on October 04, 2007, 05:43:44 PM
Hello

sorry

it was a quick idea.. i realised this a couple hours after i posted it that it will not work.

sorry! i keep trying.
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: helmut on October 04, 2007, 06:38:25 PM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 04, 2007, 03:33:58 AM
G'day all,

It does not matter what liquid. What FreeEnergy is saying holds true for ALL liquids.

Hans von Lieven
Month ago i heard of a chinese invention,that use a mixture of water and air bubbles in combination with one way valves
to overcome the level effect in such a circuit.

just to notify all known aspects

helmut
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 04, 2007, 09:29:27 PM
Wait, a Chinese invention?  It doesn't "lead out" energy from the water does it? (Smile)

Bill
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 05, 2007, 06:33:27 PM
gravity motor from china:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1651.0.html
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: helmut on October 05, 2007, 07:10:08 PM
This is a good example and proofs that there is a way to discover.
But it is not the invention that was in my mind.

i will do some further search,by time.

helmut 
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: lancaIV on October 05, 2007, 07:43:52 PM
 Not "lead out", but more "Reach out"( Depeche Modus) trial:
from two inventors, now dead,Bierner and Koenn,
the second recieved the possibility to demonstrate the functionality of his water-wheel invention
in a mine in North-Rhenania-Westfalica,info from his sister !

Bierner: http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE3621312&F=0
Koenn: http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=DE4304132&F=0
   
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: gaby de wilde on October 10, 2007, 12:43:23 AM
Quote from: twosox on October 04, 2007, 07:14:16 AM
capillary action, maybe?

make it drip from a sponge
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 10, 2007, 02:38:06 AM
Quote from: gaby de wilde on October 10, 2007, 12:43:23 AM
Quote from: twosox on October 04, 2007, 07:14:16 AM
capillary action, maybe?

make it drip from a sponge

look at this guys http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: Freezer on October 30, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
I wonder if this technique could be of use for your idea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjWe6kLHcLU
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: armagdn03 on October 30, 2007, 08:27:38 PM
Good creativity!

Capillary action is a very interesting phenomenon,
The "sticky" point comes in removing either the water, or the mass from the top of the capillary tube. The same hydrogen bonding (vander wal forces) that creates the force, holds onto the water, or object at the top. Meaning that either you have to waste extra in removing the water or object from the tube, or leave it be....to be fueled by a secondary source, that receives its "extra" energy from else where. Nature has a wonderful solution. Its called transpiration, and it can be found most notably in trees. The extra, comes from the sun.
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: shruggedatlas on October 30, 2007, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: snowblind on October 04, 2007, 05:43:44 PM
Hello

sorry

it was a quick idea.. i realised this a couple hours after i posted it that it will not work.

sorry! i keep trying.

I know you admitted it would not work, but I am not sure if you realize why, exactly. The concept is called Hydrostatic Paradox. Most of the water in the large tank does not push on the water in the pipe at all.  It pushes down on the bottom of the tank instead.  Only the narrow column of water directly above the pipe mouth actually pushes on the water inside the pipe.  This is why there is not enough pressure on the water to lift it back to the top.

The following webpage explains it pretty well.  Note especially the striking example of the Hoover Dam holding back Lake Mead.  Whether the Hoover Dam holds back Lake Mead, which is 115 miles long and 600 feet deep, or instead a hypothetical Lake Mudd, which is also 600 feet deep but only 115 inches long, the horizontal pressure on the dam is exactly the same.

http://scubageek.com/articles/wwwparad.html (http://scubageek.com/articles/wwwparad.html)
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: casman1969 on October 31, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
Here's my two cents worth..,
Take the original diagram and enclose it in glass or whatever, then submerge it so that the highest point of the outside water is above the top of the return/feed tube then we could place that feed tube with say rubber hose and put it outside the the enclosed tank. Would the rubber hose not react to the difference in pressure from outside to inside the tank thereby moving the water up????

In a half baked mood right now....
Title: Re: quick idea - will this work?
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 31, 2007, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: casman1969 on October 31, 2007, 08:53:02 AM
Here's my two cents worth..,
Take the original diagram and enclose it in glass or whatever, then submerge it so that the highest point of the outside water is above the top of the return/feed tube then we could place that feed tube with say rubber hose and put it outside the the enclosed tank. Would the rubber hose not react to the difference in pressure from outside to inside the tank thereby moving the water up????

In a half baked mood right now....

how about a drawing? thanks :)