Has anyone seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRbF6eMSPU&mode=related&search=
Here' the patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,867,514.PN.&OS=PN/6,867,514&RS=PN/6,867,514
Since a patent has been granted one may suppose that a working model has been demonstrated to the Patent Office. What do you think?
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).
j
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 10:18:32 AM
Since a patent has been granted one may suppose that a working model has been demonstrated to the Patent Office. What do you think?
Many patent applications have never been built or tested and will never become realised in real life.
Myself I don't get the idea of spending money and time on patenting just the idea.
Perhaps this motor have been built, perhaps not?
You patent an idea, not a working unit and this gets companies and people into hunting for good
ideas and lot's of stuff get's patented but never really built.
Quote from: JamesThomas on October 04, 2007, 12:35:48 PM
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).
j
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: JamesThomas on October 04, 2007, 12:35:48 PM
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).
j
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
Perhaps if what Omnibus stated is actually the case, the Patent Office should start making available the video that they took of the model that was submitted and tested during the Patent process. The Patent Office could make the video available on the internet to the public, ensuring that a device is not only an idea, but an actual working model with test data from the model that was submitted for Patent...
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
This is not true.
In my career within the telecom and electronics industry just a few of the patented inventions are tested for real.
And the device is never shown for the patent office. Just the papers.
But having the rights of an idea can be worth a lot more than actually building the device.
In a intellectual property issue it's better for a company to have a great number of patents to trade off to avoid a law suit.
here is the patent on google patents http://www.google.com/patents?id=LREWAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=6,867,514#PPA1,M1
Jason
I saw this on youtube when it was first posted. I dismissed it. I will believe it when I see the real world operation of a real world prototype.
Bill
Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
all I can say is ironic and funny
G'day all,
I have a filing cabinet full of patented magnet motors none of which work, including the much heralded Howard Johnson motor that no-one could get to work either.
But then, one of these days someone might invent one. It has been a long road between drinks though. :-)
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 05, 2007, 03:19:32 AM
I have a filing cabinet full of patented magnet motors none of which work, including the much heralded Howard Johnson motor that no-one could get to work either.
Have you tried to replicate the Wankel motor?
No, and I am not about to either.
Let someone else SHOW that it works.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: crazyman on October 04, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
You mean to tell me that the Patent Office of the United States isn't non-nonsense? You gotta be kidding me?
On the other hand, the author must demonstrate a working model otherwise the patent should be overturned. I don't think the author can do anything with his patent (license it, sell it etc.) if he cannot demonstrate a working device. It would be just a useless piece of paper. I wonder if there's a procedure, initiated by concerned parties, which will invalidate the patent unless a woking demo is shown.
Quote from: Omnibus on October 05, 2007, 05:19:39 AM
Quote from: crazyman on October 04, 2007, 10:49:39 PM
Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office
Quote from: Omnibus on October 04, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
You mean to tell me that the Patent Office of the United States isn't non-nonsense? You gotta be kidding me?
On the other hand, the author must demonstrate a working model...
This is not true.
The US patent office has a poor reputation. A patent only means a little when the European grant comes through; even then, it only means something when it has been taken to court, and has won.
The only people who consistently make money out of patents ar ethe patent agents and the patent offices. Find out how many patents have even paid for their set up costs.
@Paul-R,
I'm not arguing what the patents pay. Few of them do not only in the US. When you have a US patent, however, it does protect you. This is a serious legal document and messing wiith it brings you to court. The problem is that the patentee must prove workability of the device claimed otherwise it's worthless.
It's usual, in this area (overunity) especially, to throw an idea in the public domain for others to prove its reality and then claim priority and all the monetary consequences therefrom. To prevent this, interested parties have to ask the patentee to demonstrate the viability of his claims first. If he or she cannot do this the patent has to be revoked..
that?s a most sensible statement . Well put.
So if I have an idea that might work, all
I need to do is patent it,and tell everyone it works.
And then let them put in countless hours trying to get it to work.
And then, if in the unlikely event that is really does work,
(after countless hours of research and modification)
sue them or stop them for patent infringement and reap all the benefits?
Tell me that it isn?t so!
So then, the best course of action is to leave ALL patented
Free energy devices to the inventors to save the earth with then?
And move on into unexplored new physics?
Quote from: Omnibus on October 05, 2007, 12:08:57 PM
It's usual, in this area (overunity) especially, to throw an idea in the public domain for others to prove its reality and then claim priority and all the monetary consequences therefrom.
Quote from: crazyman on October 05, 2007, 02:06:22 PM
that?s a most sensible statement . Well put.
So if I have an idea that might work, all
I need to do is patent it,and tell everyone it works.
And then let them put in countless hours trying to get it to work.
And then, if in the unlikely event that is really does work,
(after countless hours of research and modification)
sue them or stop them for patent infringement and reap all the benefits?
Tell me that it isn?t so!
So then, the best course of action is to leave ALL patented
Free energy devices to the inventors to save the earth with then?
And move on into unexplored new physics?
Quote from: Omnibus on October 05, 2007, 12:08:57 PM
It's usual, in this area (overunity) especially, to throw an idea in the public domain for others to prove its reality and then claim priority and all the monetary consequences therefrom.
On the contrary, as I said, ask them to demonstrate what they claim and if they're not true to their word revoke the patents.
@All,
Does anyone know if this flash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRbF6eMSPU&mode=related&search= can be downloaded so that one can watch it independently of the net? Thanks in advance.
go to this site :-
http://www.youtubex.com/
it will give you full instructions on how to download and view videos
from youtube.
Quote from: Omnibus on October 08, 2007, 04:11:07 AM
@All,
Does anyone know if this flash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRbF6eMSPU&mode=related&search= can be downloaded so that one can watch it independently of the net? Thanks in advance.
http://keepvid.com/
http://www.saveyoutube.com/
http://www.savetube.com/
Play the downloaded file with any free flv player
example: http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-2139_4-10505954.html
@twosox and @Pontifex, thanks a lot for your help.