here we go marco
care to help
i just found the old tube guy near me ;D
going to get all the tubes tommorow transformers and all
sooo
where to start
hummm
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a pic of marcos tubes
i need to make a shopping list for transformers and tubes and the 3 varibale caps 3 gout is that what they call those ones
so it looks like a bunch of tubes but im glad the tube guy i found has a cheep price tag ;) he has 20 000 in stock he is only .5 hours from me ;D
like i said progress will be fast but i will not do it all alone if i must forget it i will not post it public
what do we all have in your pic here dude?
i will be using the 6bq7a tubes he has a bunch i was going to get 5 more of them for a total of 6bq7a tubes so i will need power supplys fore those tubes and the rectifier tubes in marcos pic are 5u4gb tubes i see 2 of them and the rest i have no idea
so guys help me out
what do i need to buy ?
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this will be my last atempt at any of this i must move on so people lets do it i know this works i know sm is a great person i know it is all here except what i was posting when they killed my laptop ;)
so time to ........... ~~END THE GAME!! THE REAL WAY~~
marcos schem
all comments welcome
pese marco bep zpe all you guys and yes everyone i did not mention i must resolve this list tonight all of the materials well i guess no comments no help
hummmmm
and i thought we all wanted a real tpu
im going first thing in the morn to get everything on the list but first i need the list
so i guess i will be up all night re reading all the info pertaining to tubes agin so i can peice togather the list
i will use the 6 v tubes like sm did not the 12 even tho they will work i am so verry new to tubes that the lower the voltage the better in my case i have some solar deep cucle batteries i can use to keep it clean and off grid i have a 400 watt invertor i can use to power the transformers but agin i dont know what voltage transformers i need eather the dude has all i would ever need right there waiting for me but it ia all useless unless i know
and i currently do not know all that i need
so i ask for the last time
there is just never enough money round here to go round so the less mistakes i make the better ;) all the way round
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so now i will layout what it is i know or think i know :)
this rack MUST consist of
3 class "A" power amps around 5 watts or so {push and pull}
i think it was this amp that only lets the odd harmonics through but not sure must check that out yet
then we need 3 osolators that can go to at least 1 meg dont know wich ones for sure just yet but have a good idea
lost on the input transformers and the output transformers i have no idea what is needed
hummm
the 3 var caps or tunners or what ever they are called and at this point i dont know what else
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@ mannix where are you NOW!!
this is what you all want me to do is it not???
well advise i dont know what is next i dont see anyone else doing it so ......
so the 6bq7a tubes are phase invertors so what are phase invertors well in my opinion they are the freq gennys sine wave generators or osoliators
and it was stated some where wich osc to use but SINCE MY LAPTOP IS DEAD i cant get to my tube books and the page last time i checked was not working where the books came from so not good
but i will see if i can peice all the diffrent schems to this thred tonight so i can come up with an idea of what i want for tommorow and with some luck i can do it right and get all i need tommorow all at once
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one could say that i have never been so hyper @ somthing b4 but this game must end soon i will be happy when i finish
because it will also answer questions i have about my machine as they operate in a similar fasion and maybe just matbe all my machine is is a mechanical tpu hummmmmm...
the tube osc that have been pointed out to use
so i will need 3 of thease in the rack the 6bq7a tube will work for this i would assume
now the amps
and yep only the odd harmonics come through with a push and pull amp
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ie 1 3 5 7 hummmm
so i should be able to make a push and pull amp from a single 6bq7a tube because they are dubble triodes so 3 of thease tubes should cover the amps and i think as a triode they were 3watts output but when in a push and pull they could push 5 or 6 watts each amp from what i understand i did not see a rectifier tube in the schem hummmm so i assume they can be powered dirrectly from the transformers so i need 3 of those too for thease amps because we must keep all things independent of each other
so humm thinking about this is all i need more 6bq7a tubes and power supplyies ??
a total of 6 6bqa tubes 3 for osc and 3 for the push and pulls am i wrong? why do i need rectifier tubes? or do i?
so the end of my serch says to my understanding 6 6bq7a tubes and 6 transformers for power supplyies i could use just triode tubes for the freq genny but i might aswell get the dubble ones then i have spares but the transformers must be able to do 245k hummmm is that a special trans? i will have to ask the tube guy i hope i have got this correct but i think i do im sure that some of the tubes could use the same sypplyies but maybe not so i will get indivigual supplyies for the tubes for thease tubes the htr works on dc or ac as i recall
so just the var caps not too much really and in doing this if this is right i already have a good idea how to hook this up to the coil and well i think is this easy ;D
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i just talked to the tube guy on the phone and he says i could use 1 transformer for all 6 6bq7a tubes but they will not be indepedent supplyes but still independent in operation from one another
so welll i got to do some more digging cuz aint nobody talking i have to meet him at 1 this afternoon so till then i digg
What are you trying to do??
It's clear you're working on something based on electron tube tech and oscillating circuitry, but what exactly are you aiming at here?
Is it an attempt to build a variation on Tesla's "black box" or what??
the tpu
i want 3 freq gennys and 3 class a amps that is all
the amps should be sepreat from 1 another i guess i should get 3 transformers and power 1 amp and 1 genny from each transformer that would keep them sepreate for the genny i will only need to use 1 of the triodes in the 6bq7a not both will this matter? i dont think it will i could just use a single triode for that but i thought i cant go wrong with those tubes but i fear i may need more tubes like rectifiers but this is where i get a little more lost than i am currently
ah yes it is time for some links about this tube
as i can see
we need them
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaa0033.htm
a good link with tools to calculate tube amp stuff like impeadence and that kind of thing
http://www.duncanamps.com/software.html
Quoteso the 6bq7a tubes are phase invertors so what are phase invertors well in my opinion they are the freq gennys sine wave generators or osoliators
A phase invertor does exactly what the name says it does, it invert the phase by 180 degrees.
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Verry well....from the beginning.
Does anybody care to name the little osc's below because i believe they actually named them wrong in this old book i found.
Quote from: innovation_station on October 31, 2007, 06:08:44 PM
this rack MUST consist of
3 class "A" power amps around 5 watts or so {push and pull}
@ mannix where are you NOW!!
Hi
I do not think they MUST be class A.
Other classes might work aswell if not better.
Class A does not mean it is the best amplifier.
M.
hello marco
well i dont need to konw how to read german to understand the importance of your above picture ;)
i just got the 6 6bq7a tubes and 1 plate transformer and sockets and sheilds nothing more so i will have to some how work with this stuff
the tube guy insisted that i get the porcilin sockets and shields for what it is im doing with this unit he said it would help to keep things clean
so now i have this what do i do with it??
does this have to be built on a peice of steel?
i would post a pic but i use my laptop for that and oh yea i cant!!! hummmm so i will try to get my cam drivers on this computer when i do i will post what i bought
marco can i power the 3 osc and the 3 amps from the same power supply transformer with out conflicting ?? cuz i only could afford 1 transformer
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so this is my transformer and i know nothing about it so i will look for some specks for it on the net this is the frist place for me to start i must find wich wires are what anyone know wich are in and out and all the stuff or could someone point some dirrections about this transformer?
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on this transformer there are 4 pairs of wires
a white and black i think this is power in
2 green wires 1 has a yellow stripe
2 brown wires 1 has a yellow stripe
2 red wires 1 has a yellow stripe
and that is all
marco i some how missed your post on the first page just saw it now for the first time i will give it a go at what is what i could answer it perfectly but i have currently no access to my tube books wich right now i could really use and i would list all of those osc in order as you posted them
i have no tube experience at all but i will learn it as there is only 1 right way to figure this tpu out and understand it
THE SOONER SOME PEOPLE HERE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WILL GET NOWHERE UNLESS THEY USE TUBES THE SOONER THEY WILL HAVE A REAL TPU
sorry gk i do not mean you i know it can be done with ss but will be verry hard and i know you can do it ;) i also know right now i can not with ss so i go the tube path ;D
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in further reading i discover i am wrong in my earlyer post regarding the class "A" amp the push and pull amps i will use there are not class a amps but class "B" and they are the ones we want to use why??
well because they only each amplfly only half the wave duh!!!!
what was it marco that you said 3 half rectified sine waves my wording is wrong on this i know i will check it out ;)
but you all know what the really kool thing is ????
i can build every one of those osc's and everyone of those amps from the tubes i just bought lol!!!
Quotewell i dont need to konw how to read german to understand the importance of your above picture Wink
It's not German, it's Dutch. Use Babelfish if you want to find out what it says.
thanks acp
for that
is there a way to turn 3 push and pulls into a cascade amp?!?!?!?!?!
with a coil......... what??
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well got the laptop working on second montor it was a big pain but at least i have access to my tube books
so marco i will list the osc's you posted and also i can digg in on the transformer i have im sure it is in my books
no they did not fix my computer it is still messed up i just moved all the icons and and the start button over to the other screen verry hard to do as i can only faintly see what is on the primary display >:(
i am reading the books now and will post when i finish
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@ marco
#1 schem is the
is the tickler circuit osc
#2 schem is the
hearty osc
#3 schem is the
i believe pic one and two is the Armstrong osc.
three and four i think is called Collpitts
and five and six the Hartley osc.
seven could be the tuned plate/grid.
as you can see on the pics it does not require much to build a couple of those and i also believe we can build them with many types of triodes.
it could be a good starting point.
IS pherhaps you can hook up your harddisk to another computer so you will have acess to your files i switch them all the time.
Marco.
@ marco I already sent him a link for the bytec usb 2.0 to laptop ide adapter... from newegg, @ IS um if you hit the function key on you laptop and the screen button look for it, it should let you run your desktop on the monitor as a primary keep clicking it to cycle through the modes one should me dual display like you have now and another should switch the whole desktop to the second monitor and leave the laptop lcd black
thanks guys
but the problem with my laptop is my key board is screwed i use an external keyboard and it doesnot have the original keys on it like the function key it was like this when i got it someone spilled a drink on it then the balck screen of death from you know who
it is ok i can get my files from it i just made this post from it i will use my jump drive sooo
i will buy a new one when im done :) :) :) this ring well marco i tryed at the osc's i was wrong :) no worries tho
in all the digging i did in the tube books i happin to find a push and pull osc hummm
but it is the copitts we want no? how ever the tuned plate grid makes more sence eh?? TUNED!!!! lol
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ok so this is how i was going to determan what is what with my transformer
i will power it with 12v dc into the primary and then i will see what comes out of it on the other wires i should have a low voltage winding for the htrs and a high voltage one for the plates well i will try this and see where this gets me
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well that didint work sooo humm anyone know what is what for this transformer i took it apart but that did no good as i could not see where the wires go cuz it is incased in some plastic like stuff
there apears to be so little intrest and help on this site
some times life gets the best of me sorry all
Quote from: innovation_station on November 03, 2007, 09:15:24 AM
ok so this is how i was going to determan what is what with my transformer
i will power it with 12v dc into the primary and then i will see what comes out of it on the other wires i should have a low voltage winding for the htrs and a high voltage one for the plates well i will try this and see where this gets me
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well that didint work sooo humm anyone know what is what for this transformer i took it apart but that did no good as i could not see where the wires go cuz it is incased in some plastic like stuff
Please don't give up so easily.
Do you have an Ohm meter? This is what I would do.
Test the resistance of each pair of wires. It will give you a rough idea of the size of each winding. The winding with the least resistance will probably be for your heater. The winding with the most resistance will be the high voltage winding.
Test the resistance of the red and black wires and make sure that it really is your primary (I think it is). Divide your house hold voltage (120 in the USA) buy the number of Ohms. That will give you an estimation of the current the coil will draw when you plug it in. Make sure that the number of amps it will draw is reasonable, so you don't blow anything up.
Volts / Ohms = Amps
After you have determined which windings are what then I would connect the primary to your house power (being extremely careful, of course). The voltages you read will be slightly higher with no load.
You can't really know for sure the voltages of each winding until you plug the thing in. Without knowing the size of the wire measuring the resistance only gives hint at how big each winding is.
And again, don't give up now. With some time and a little help we can work though the frustration.
thank you
just some insight for you all on my life
life is tough it has been hell for the last 6 years
i wise man once told me if your dreams are your nightmares then your in the wrong bed
how true is that??
life is what we make it and i did it wrong so i digg and digg my way out with so little luck
i now have hours of work with my laptop because because people trash it on here and here where i sit right now it sits in many peices not by my doing so i loose agin
life it makes me wonder........ why do i try so hard just to get by in this world this is not the way it should be .........
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just another dull day in a bright world life............got to love it
I know what you mean. I think I may have been experiencing something similar. For me it has been about seven years with this last year being easier than the year before.
It has taught me some things though. I has taught me that religion is the worst thing to happen to humans because it takes things that are true and twists it to make it look like something else. It makes people split into two separate ways of thinking. There's the day side where the nice old lady across the street is just the sweetest thing and the best neighbor. Then there is the other side where that sweet little old lady is now your biggest head ache and if you don't die from a brain hemorrhage then you are just going to be miserable for no reason. Even though your other neighbor just killed her self there is no peace for anyone.
Then some moron comes knocking on your door saying live is wonderful because what would jesus do. What?! He would get a brain hemorrhage and die you moron. The question is not what would jesus do, he would drop dead and thank you for it, the question is what would a lion do? What would something that has gone through intense hardship and is still alive do?
Being alive is important. Having children is important. Learning and comprehending is important. Not being under some bodies thumb is important.
I don't want to pay some body else for me to live. I know that they are going to take what I give them and use it to get more from me. That is the way business works.
I don't do what I do for some little old lady. I do what I do for me, for my benefit. If you help me then I will help you. If you damage me then I should return the favor. It's simple.
I do what I do in spite of those little of devils. Believe me there is reason for much spite.
I realize that I may sound a little angry. That would be because I'm pissed the f**k off.
Anyway, I like to learn. I like to help the people that help me. I need all the help I can get.
Peace and good night. And remember, god damned people. (And he did too.)
well i hooked up the transformer to an ohm meter to see what is what and
the black and white wire read 2.8 ohms
and the red and red/yellow read 6.8 ohms
and the brown and brown/yello read 0 ohms
and the green and green/yellow read 0 ohms
so hummm
i find it weird that 2 of the pairs read 0 ohms
but hey i have no idea how this transformer is suspoto work anyways lol!!
i would think that the 2.8 ohm pair are ac input from the wall