Just wondering?
As a door nail !!!
They will be back, when they need more money, with another "Stunning Revelation". You can bet your boots on it. Perhaps under a different name, but who knows?
Hans von Lieven
QuoteFE Truth: As ever, you?ve been extremely busy. What sort of stuff have you been working on in the last few months? Anything that you can tell us about?
Sean: We continue to work on Orbo. Obviously we are looking at different implementations of it, more reliable implementations of it both mechanical and non mechanical. We?re also looking at the material science behind these time variant magnetic transactions as in what?s the real driver for them. What makes one material have a different response from another material? We?ve looked at a lot of third party research, fund some research and obviously do our own research into this area, we have managed to rule out most of the drivers to time based domain response (eddy currents, heat and so on) but as to why ferrite has a different response to Iron ? well more work to be done.
FE Truth: Previously you mentioned that a second demo will occur and that it would not
be announced, it would just "happen" when you?ve got it up and running. Are you at liberty to announce which country or city the demo will be located ?
Sean: It will most likely be in Dublin, Ireland.
FE Truth: Assuming the jury of 22 scientists returns a positive result on Orbo?s ability to create / extract free energy, do you think the scientific community will accept the jury verdict and embrace the new discovery or do you expect there will still be yet another fight for acceptance? What do you anticipate will be the reaction?
Sean: I don?t think there will be a defining moment to be honest. I don?t feel that any form of validation, be it public demo or validation by a third parties, will be seen as a full stop to the process. I think it will certainly raise awareness and more people will research it but there?s not going to be a defining moment in terms of accepting something so fundamental. All we can hope is that the scientific community will engage further and further into this once they have a credible frame of reference.
source: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com
Steorn is not dead, they just learnt a lesson, and now they're gathering momentum to cause the paradigm shift.
Hello Everyone.
I'm new to this forum but had been following Steorn's progress via their website and other forums.
What surprises me is the manner in which things suddenly started to falter, despite so much "head-on" publicity and an air of overwhelming confidence exhibited by the inventors. I find it somewhat difficult to accept the coincidental failures "on the day", brought about by the heat of display lights so that camera's were able to adequately photograph and record the device in operation?! Irrespective of the design or the merits of the invention, something just doesn't seem right to me.
As both someone with professional roots in both business and conventional science, but forever an open mind so as not to be potentially blinded by it, I can't help but wonder whether they possibly had something real which, given the face-on publicity and attentions of the scientific community, would have unquestionably attracted threats from oil barons, government representatives, and the like. By the same token, you can bet your bottom dollar that they have people trawling forums such as these, so my advice to OU experimenters and inventors with apparent success would be to exercise caution.
To be realistic, it's a dog-eat-dog world with a global economy fundamentally based on fuel consumption. The de-stabilising effect of such a proven device would be catastrophic on the world economy - and notably those that have benefited by it and continue to exhibit hypocrisy, selfish greed and ignorance for the sake of personal gain. For those such as myself who dabble in stocks and shares, they would understand the effects of such an announcement could so easily have a significant damaging effect on the stock markets - particulary with something tangible and demonstrable. Nevertheless, fossil fuel is a finite resource, along with pollution and de-forestation, so something had better change and pretty soon. It's bound to be a bumpy ride - particularly with the pressures, threats and criticisms that any such invention is bound to attract.
The Steorn device was based on magetic force and electromagnetic influence to induce motion, though a magnetic field is itself arguably a moving mass. In nature perpetuity appears to exist, so it's more a case of harnessing it to good effect. As impossible as it may sound to the blind sceptic, the limit of man's knowledge (and desire to make everything fit conventional wisdom) would suggest plenty of scope for further discoveries yet.
My current interest is in electromagnetic propulsion and levitation, with an ever-keen eye on OU. Perhaps someone could help me with a generator to power this thing ;D
Good luck to all of you.
FunkyJive
My apologies - double post deleted due to current browser dropouts :-[
They're not dead! They're just pinin' for the fjords!
The Steorn forum is still up. http://www.steorn.com/forum/
The "Guinness good for you - official" and "Orbo Limericks" threads over there seem to be moving perpetually.
Don't ever underestimate the power of Guinness!!!
Steorn is alive, and kicking. It went silent on purpose.
Patience is a virtude.
Quote from: ChileanOne on January 04, 2008, 10:33:35 PM
Steorn is alive, and kicking. It went silent on purpose.
What a bunch of BS. Here's Steorn the day of the Public display and they BRING ONE UNIT; and then state - they didn't know the bearings were going to cause a problem. This is not Grade School --> my dog eat my home work. You come prepared, with a model that works and you SET it and another aside for the day of the test (AND YOU
ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP).
Frankly, if you can't pick-up the phone and invite news media (any time) to come to see your prototype - You've got nothing.
Beam me up Scotty,
- Schpankme
Schpankme:
Think it the way backwards: What would have happen if the demo were have been successfull?
The Bearing Failure is something that Steorn did not expect. You have to ask the right questions.
How a bearing with a 3 minute winddown time becomes so bad as to have a 20 seconds winndown time?
That, my friend, is the right question.
Quote from: ChileanOne on January 05, 2008, 06:56:33 AM
Schpankme:
Think it the way backwards: What would have happen if the demo were have been successfull?
The Bearing Failure is something that Steorn did not expect. You have to ask the right questions.
How a bearing with a 3 minute winddown time becomes so bad as to have a 20 seconds winndown time?
That, my friend, is the right question.
And the answer to your question: Steorn was lying about the bearing problem. They never had a working device.
Think about it. Even if they had a working device and were so stupid as to only bring one prototype to the demo, and it did somehow fail, the first thing they would have done to save face is get back into the lab and film a working device and then put that on the Internet. Instead, they have been silent for 6 months. Hmmmmm.
You bunch of naysayers !!!! (LOL)
It says right on their website, and I quote: "The validation process began in January 2007 and is expected to conclude by the end of this year. "
OOOPPPSS :o I guess the end of the year passed and still no conclusions.
Hey! These things take time you know! It may take more time. Another... year? ... or two ... or three? .. or...someday?
Heck!! All of you just need to be PATIENT you know. So quit yer bellyachin' !!!! >:( >:( >:( --- LOL!!!
the human race has all the tech it needs and then some but its kept from us when its stumbled across, we dont really need to come up with new ideas or scams, we have it all its just hidden from us, the real effort should be put on the so called ppl in power to release it and start putting them in prision for life if they dont and setting up teams apon teams of ppl to find it and put it on the net, look how far science has so called come latley, not far at all, 40ish years ago we goto the moon(so they say).........yet in the last 35 years we have not ?(so they say),tech didnt suddenly stop, its all hidden from us., its funny tho we chose to ignore it and do nothing but try to reinvent the wheel.,no wonder its taken away from us, we let it be that way.
Quote from: b0rg13 on January 08, 2008, 10:48:48 PM
the human race has all the tech it needs and then some but its kept from us when its stumbled across, we dont really need to come up with new ideas or scams, we have it all its just hidden from us, the real effort should be put on the so called ppl in power to release it and start putting them in prision for life if they dont and setting up teams apon teams of ppl to find it and put it on the net, look how far science has so called come latley, not far at all, 40ish years ago we goto the moon(so they say).........yet in the last 35 years we have not ?(so they say),tech didnt suddenly stop, its all hidden from us., its funny tho we chose to ignore it and do nothing but try to reinvent the wheel.,no wonder its taken away from us, we let it be that way.
And you know all this because you read it on the Internets?
oh its you again , you seem to be like my own personal stalker, like i said in the other forum, go play on a highway k? ::)
as much as i would love to see(and own!) overunity technology, it occurs to me that it does have its drawbacks. in a perfect world, with perfect people, this would be a wonderful thing.
(first off, i can understand why TPTB would not want to see such a thing, even giving them the benefit of the doubt that they have our best interests at heart, i can understand why they would want to suppress it. it would INSTANTLY destabilize the economy by making all the current electric, transportation industries obsolete.)
assuming that free energy could be spread worldwide to all peoples, this would enable irrigating the deserts, growing unlimited food, reducing pollution. this would allow people whose population has been limited by natural conditions to prosper and have as many children as they want. within a few generations, this would lead to gross overpopulation. only deliberate self control would prevent that and from observing our history, there is no reason to believe the human race would suddenly do any such thing.
just playing devil's advocate.
billy sharpstick
shruggedatlas,
The b0rg is right. I represent the interests of the illuminati and big oil. The illuminati can't figure out how to tax free energy so they want to keep that from the people and big oil has all the capital investment in infrastructure and couldn't stand the loss.
If my bosses figure out how to tax it and sell their equipment (so someone else can take the loss) this idea should be on the market faster than your bessler wheel can spin. You have my word on it.
It's my job to sabotage demonstrations like Steorn?s and in rare cases I have to do things I really can't mention. It does get ugly but b0rg has it exactly right. ;)
Quote from: b0rg13 on January 08, 2008, 10:48:48 PM
the human race has all the tech it needs and then some but its kept from us when its stumbled across, we dont really need to come up with new ideas or scams, we have it all its just hidden from us, the real effort should be put on the so called ppl in power to release it and start putting them in prision for life if they dont and setting up teams apon teams of ppl to find it and put it on the net, look how far science has so called come latley, not far at all, 40ish years ago we goto the moon(so they say).........yet in the last 35 years we have not ?(so they say),tech didnt suddenly stop, its all hidden from us., its funny tho we chose to ignore it and do nothing but try to reinvent the wheel.,no wonder its taken away from us, we let it be that way.
Hi Sharpstick.
Indeed we concur - as per my former post in this thread.
As I mentioned, the global economy is fundamentally dependent on the consumption of fossil fuels, though what sustains that (and the heavy taxes levied on fuel) is our dependency on such fuels.
It's not difficult to imagine the scenario, if such a reconstructible Over-Unity device were allowed to fall into the domain of Joe Public. At that point all dependency and control by governments and those that sustain this economy would be lost forever.
I've been involved in many patents in my time (with a global patent to my name), where for the UK at-least the rule is that inventions of any nature are subject to potential classification of "Military Interest", which could arguably apply to any ground-breaking invention. In such cases your invention is siezed by the government for which you can expect nothing by way of compensation. Furthermore, disclosing any such invention thereafter would be regarded as disclosing military secrets which could put you away for a very long time (or worse!).
I'm not suggesting that Steorn actually had something, but their aggressive drive for recognition and public disclosure to the media and the scientific community would certainly lay themselves open to extremely aggressive silencing tactics of this nature. It would not be necessary to "pay them off" with this approach enshrined in law, and a paid contract of silence that was subsequently breached would render a significant court battle likely to emerge into the public domain - raising very awkward questions and media disclosures in the process. Aggressive silencing tactics by threats would therefore be more likely than a financial settlement.
This therefore has to be considered amongst the many other possibilities as to the events surrounding the failure of the device just at the worst possible time, the retention of any IPR to speak of, and the prevailing silence with respect to their invention. For those amongst us prepared to accept the possibility of hitherto undiscovered science and keeping an open (though objective) viewpoint, it's not possible to argue that their invention was a sham simply because if it worked we would have seen or heard something before now.
Nowadays, coming up with a groundbreaking idea or discovery, of any merit or for any purpose, is not enough to guarantee success. Either way, I believe that Steorn had a good team of committed engineers, scientists, and investors, but whatever the nature and effectiveness of their idea the way in which they chose to promote it almost guaranteed a path to eventual failure - one way or the other.
I would therefore always suggest a note of caution to inventors with interests in this field, particularly those that would choose to retain IPR for potential profit and not immediately throw their ideas open to the internet community for wider exploration and knowledge-sharing. That would be infinitely more difficult to suppress, and some inventions that I have seen to-date do appear to pose some very interesting questions that would doubtless attract the attentions of the "MIB's".
All the best,
FunkyJive.
all he has to do is publish his plans on the net for us all to try , and show some videos................... ::)....
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Hi b0rg13
There were once video's of the device in action, on the Steorn website, obviously careful not to reveal the inner workings of the device. Interestingly however, these videos and all other supplementary information have since been removed - on the basis that it should not encourage further public scorn !? Whilst this may be true, I'm not so convinced.
I recall that Steorn's stated aims were to capitalise on their IPR but not to monopolise it, presenting an opportunity for entrepreneurs to license the technology for which they would then have the opportunity to commercially exploit their designs in any way they saw fit. To do so however would have required patent protection over the idea for Steorn to have any such enforeceable claim over it.
This business model I believe was considerably short-sighted, given the potential impact that it would have had on the global community had it demonstrated merit. However, having applied for patent(s), this would have been made available for scrutiny (as with all patent applications) in affording prevention of disclosure due to military interest and the like, as outlined in my former post.
With the inescapable possibility that this were the case, then there would be very considerable legal restrictions of diclosure upon all parties having knowledge of the invention. This might serve to explain why there has been no further public disclosure - not to mention the original contract of obligation of Steorn members to their investors.
However, with so many other interesting devices revealed on this forum, some showing considerable potential in my view, I don't believe that non-disclosure of the Steorn device would be a significant block to similar other discoveries now entering the public domain.
There are many aspirant inventors and experimenters around, with varying degrees of understanding and capability, and suffice to say that I'm personally keeping a watchful eye on discoveries that may... just may... develop their own momentum that would be quite impossible to quell. Also, with many of the published designs being relatively cheap to construct and experiment with, I have little doubt that some of the more recent sign-ups to the forums, proving themselves to be highly sceptical whilst suggesting that experimenters should not "waste" their money on un-proven (though highly interesting) devices, could themselves be those MIB's that I spoke of.
Rest assured that many will be highly disturbed at the potential alone for any such experimentation showing promise, and actively trying to discourage early interest in the subject is possibly the only means left to them - apart from jeopardising public demonstration. Nevertheless, the global interest and effort expended in proving or disproving the achievability of Over-Unity is likely far greater than could ever be expected of a sceptical scientific community funded by government grants.
If Over-Unity should ever prove to be unquestionably demonstrable, I believe that the time and resource shared amongst modern experimenters, and global forums to unite them, would suggest that the world shouldn't have much longer to wait ;)
All the best,
FunkyJive.
FunkyJive,
The day there isn't the possibility of "undiscovered science" is the day the scientist can retire. Most thinking people realize that's not happening any time soon.
It is entirely possible to argue that since Steorn failed to keep its self imposed obligation of release in 2008 there is something not quite right. It's an entirely legitimate perspective to suspect a huge publicity hoax like the radio show "Invasion of the Earth" from an idea that if it were true would be more than just "undiscovered science". It would require the rewriting of physics.
That would really piss my bosses off. They'd have me working overtime.
Bessler007, mib
Quote from: FunkyJive on January 09, 2008, 06:10:01 PM
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This therefore has to be considered amongst the many other possibilities as to the events surrounding the failure of the device just at the worst possible time, the retention of any IPR to speak of, and the prevailing silence with respect to their invention. For those amongst us prepared to accept the possibility of hitherto undiscovered science and keeping an open (though objective) viewpoint, it's not possible to argue that their invention was a sham simply because if it worked we would have seen or heard something before now.
. . .
All the best,
FunkyJive.
Hi Bessler007
I agree with your sentiments on both the possibility of "Undiscovered science", and contrasting arguments either way in respect of Steorn and the apparent demise of their project.
You acknowledge the "possibility" of undiscovered science and therefore the watchful interest in it from both camps, particularly as once the world was round as otherwise we would all fall off, to be followed by an understanding of planetary movements and the notion of gravitational effects upon planets and a spherical earth.
With an emergence of some modern discovery offering over-unity (or wider demonstrable merit of such devices perhaps already in existence), then there will certainly be losers in the game - financially and otherwise. This however would extend beyond the "bosses" but also of ordinarily people with jobs that depend on such bosses.
I've therefore no particular desire to see anyone lose out for the aforestated reasons, but with over-unity an inescapable possibility (many would argue "probability") I also believe that trying to maintain the suppression of such ideas has a limited time-span.
Global economies would falter in due course, with the eventual wider acceptance of proven free energy, but this would be indicative of man's inherent greed and ability to self-distruct as we're all witnessing already. However, I also believe that blame for any such situation would fall upon the shoulders of those that have perpetrated depency upon themselves and fossil fuels - itself a finite resource, engineering society's losers over many years from a time just prior to the industrial age. Modern times may not have been originally predictable or intentional, though perfectly evident to those in the modern age who should now be looking forward rather than backwards.
We're certainly heading for a global shift in thinking and living practice either way, though free energy in perpetuity for all must surely be the best and only way - given that there's little choice otherwise. However, the biggest loser in such a scenario would be the monopolistic greed of "the few" that most of us have witnessed for many years, and the celebrations of "the many" to their ultimate demise ;)
All the best,
Funkyjive.
Hello Funkyjive,
I must not have been clear. I never acknowledged the "possibility" of undiscovered science. I stated its absolute certainty.
Points based on what was known compared to what is known supporting the change in scientific knowledge aren't overly valid as I see it.
Resolution (of what we see at the infinitesimal and infinite) is increasing. Increased understanding is the consequence of increased perceptions. Where we used to guess and speculate we can now know by seeing or measuring.
Sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: FunkyJive on January 10, 2008, 08:52:56 PM
Hi Bessler007
I agree with your sentiments on both the possibility of "Undiscovered science", and contrasting arguments either way in respect of Steorn and the apparent demise of their project.
You acknowledge the "possibility" of undiscovered science and therefore the watchful interest in it from both camps, ...
All the best,
Funkyjive.
QuoteSorry for the confusion
Absolutely no need to apologise - Just put it down to my tired head posting into the small hours ;D
QuoteWhere we used to guess and speculate we can now know by seeing or measuring
Despite early speculation to the contrary, in this case we're first seeing and measuring, leaving us to guess and speculate as to
why in retrospect. We are seeing the results of experimentation which remains little understood, though no amount of adverse speculation can deny the tangible facts ;)
Simplistically, we all know that magnets exert forces on ferrous materials and other magnets/fields, but understanding polar effects and what a magnetic field actually
is becomes necessary to fully understand the subject.
All the best,
FunkyJive