Any chance of it working?
AND YES! I know nothing is to scale....... and not in exact positioning.... sorry. It's just an idea. =)
OMG you have done it. Free energy, here we come.
I had similar ideas but gears create too much friction and are complicated
I was thinking about the complications of the gear designs..... would it really be that hard? I am going to be starting a prototype before spring (i'm moving soon... house with small workshop attached ... finally) Any who. I'll keep posting as i go in hopes that it may tickle someones fancy or spark an imagination or, universe willing, something incredible happens.
This would be the outer containment and stationary inner hub track design for those gears.
Could someone tell me how fast the outer edge of the containment gear would be...
IF. the motive gears were traveling at a speed of 1 revolution per second.
AND. the central hub and the motive gears are 24 inches in diameter.
AND. the outer containment is 4 inches wide
Please post your complete calculations for us all.
thanx.
Scott MacKay
Any responses at all would seriously be appreciated.
Looking at your diagram, I can't see any movement. But if you do have movement I see a balance and lack of movement due to friction. My apprentice came up with something like this but he learned that it just won't work. I have done many wheels now and have learned allot, and after you build a few you will learn as well that it isn't easy.
Please... if this design has been tried by someone else I would really like to know. I have searched and searched and I cannot find anything close to it. Better yet if you can prove to me it does not work that would be great too... it would save me the time and expense of building it. On the other hand if this design has any Merritt at all any support would be greatly appreciated.
thnx.
Scott MacKay
Of course you don't SEE any movement... it's a 2 dimensional drawing.... It has been commented 2wice now about to much friction. The whole design floats the six motive gears in the containment gear. All points of contact are equal all the way around... in every position. There would be No binding and very little actual friction. With 360 teeth on each motive gear and the hub... the teeth would have virtually no 'slop' or play to them at all. As for the side to side friction.....Teflon is an amazing thing. Still no good? I WILL FIGURE IT OUT. By myself if i have to. Telling me that it wont work with disclosing the vaguest of details is only going to make me believe that i do have something.
Please! by all means, build it. You will learn from it, very well. This just seams to be a similar one to several others that have been built that don't work, it looks to balanced out so there just isn't any primary movers that I can see. As to the 2D that isn't a problem to me for I view and change in my minds eye as if it where moving and I saw stagnation. I am a blacksmith/armourer by trade and sculpt in steel with hammers and I have to be able to see what my metal will do. But this will not replace experience, I my self, build some test wheels just to test an action to see if what I think is working before building a wheel that might work.
Good luck.
nice drawing. I can relate the colors to the mindset. :-) What I remember is that this device is 20 times more efficient as a jet engine but I cant remember who the inventor was. hehehe
You should search under "inertial propulsion", "inertial thruster", "reactionless drive" Getting linear propulsion out of rotation and getting rotation out of gravity is much alike. (David Hamel and John Searl build flying generators by accident.)
trying to find the name of this man.... ......ah found it. Brandson R. Thornson
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7426258106071720512
Thornson Inertial Engine
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/TIE.htm
The Thornson Inertila Engine experiment by JL Naudin
But his plan was to make trust, this is of course not entirely the same as yours. I love gravity engines, I cant wait for you to figure it out. I'm on the tip of the armchair. :)
p.s.
drawings are also an end result in their own kind of way.
Well, I do not want to be the ONE who spoil the fun but to me this wheel will spin backward at this position. Look at the yellow wheel at 9:00 do you think that it will actually help in movement? Will it climb up? If you agree with me that it will not. Then you have two positive wheels on the right side against four wheels on the left :)
George
You have a vision..you have a mission...people at this site can help...like many here I have a project that I am pushing but also history and experience.My first free energy gravity wheel was not easily let go of....but it developed further .Friction is a major factor in any mechanical device.
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maybe see the french-section:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2534.0.html
cannot say anything about it, because i cannot read french
there was also a german patent dicussed here somewhere in the forum, with a gravity wheel concept with two turning wheights on each end of the lever. didn't found it... the demo unit was housed in a metal barrel. maybe also in the french section... but also discussed in english somewhere...
@all,
does this idea have merrit? i think it does!! i just went back and found on the second page of gravity devices, "the living energy machine" remember that? man that thing would fly! this looks kind of like that only verticle with an outer ring. that might be interesting, when you think about it. the biggest question i have in my mind is, how does the outer ring actually move? and if it doesn't, is only extra friction for no reason. everyone take a look and let's see if we can establish a way to make this baby roll.
lol
sam
ps: check out the video on youtube.
@Imgoingnuts
Yes you are. Just joking. lol
Really, when you come on the board with a nice design and just ask "will this work", what else do you expect us to say. No explanation on how it's supposed to work, nothing. So we have to look at your design and figure out what you are trying to show.
So here goes.
If your design in made so that the red masses afford more weight on one side then the other in order to push the revolutions, it will not work and you can see this right on the design how the weights will translate in the next movement.
Top right - increase
Center - Right - decrease
Bottom right - decrease
Bottom left - decrease
Center left - increase
Top left - increase....... So the left side wins.
In your design, the mass is in small wheels and this will kill any ability to exert any type of real leverage on the big wheel. Also those red masses would have to be 3-4 times bigger to actually make any real difference on the whole mass of the wheels.
Six wheels with gears means there is at least 2-3 teeth engaged at all times per wheel, so in total you have 12-15 teeth engaged in the system. This alone is a killer.
Also your teeth design shows you need more experience with gears since they do not engage in the angles you have shown. Look up gears, teeth, pitch angle, etc.
Now here's the hardest part. Every wheel in the system would have to be perfectly balanced, including the outer wheel. Also the outer wheel will have to be secured somehow in another sliding mechanism to keep it in place and this will also add to friction.
So all in all, I would say DO NOT BUILD THIS this way. You will need to do alot of homework first and especially when you do one drawing, you have to do many more in different angles to see how the balance ratio is over at least every 2 degrees for at least 45-90 degrees. That's 20 to 40 drawings.
Hope I'm not coming on too hard on you. Having ideas is great, and knowing when to stop is also great. If one of these is out of sync, guys run into problems and all waste time.
My 2 cents Imgoingnuts ...
Any over-balanced wheel is a more mechanically complex version of a simple pendulum rod & bob.
Over-balance wheels & pendulums have a lot in common - they start in balance [CoG/CoM directly below the axle which is the usually the Center of Rotation] where they have zero torque & then must be 'manually repositioned' into a state where they are Out Of Balance [OOB] & have some torque - after release they must be able to move & in doing so they loose some of their Potential Energy from vertical height they started with - their CoG/CoM moves in an arc downwards & towards the vertical line beneath the axle until they have no more torque & have reached their lowest PE, called the 'keel' position because it's like a keel on a sail boat - the acceleration they achieve is related to the CoG offset & the frictional forces slowing them down [drag] & other system losses such as windage - once they have achieved a velocity at the nadir they have accumulated a certain momentum [angular inertia] - after this the momentum will continue the 'swing on' until the momentum is depleted & it stops its upwards climb, thereafter it reverses direction as the gravity force [which has been acting at all times] overcomes the momentum.
In order to create a self sustaining over-balance wheel IMO you need to achieve one of two things 1. accumulate extra momentum on the down swing or 2. reduce the counter-torque on the up swing or as is usually experienced when trying to reposition the internal weights into the OOB position to repeat the cycle [after normal system losses] - if unable to accomplish this the device will oscillate until it settles down in a position of least PE & its CoG/CoM does not produce any further torque, either positive or negative in direction.
If you can look at your design & either see where this extra energy is going to come from to give it extra momentum or you can see how to reposition the weight disks without the normal complement of back-torque then I would proceed with a model build, actually I have seen similar designs animated but initially done on Working Model software using gears.
Just My Thoughts !
Just a suggestion, If I remember right, metric gears are measured from about the middle of the tooth where they mesh and they are much easier to work with because, I believe, the number of the teeth also corresponds with the size. In that case, I believe, what you would need are gears of equal size. If you get there before I do, let me know! :)
think this can be simulated in working model 2d: http://workingmodel.design-simulation.com/WM2D/download.php