I just joined the board and am new to all of this. Magnetic motors are a fascinating idea and I find it hard to believe it can't be done. I don't have any special background like some of you. I'm just a home tinkerer and love the challenge something like this provides. I will post the video I watched that first sparked my interest in this. The one guy comments about how free energy is infinitely simple, lol. I think it's bull but I'm wondering has anyone tried to duplicate this supposed free energy toy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq_Qu0paUjY
the rotor spin because of the hand move, put the rotor in fixed position, the rotor will not move :)
Quotethe rotor spin because of the hand move, put the rotor in fixed position, the rotor will not move
I figured. I especially like "We would produce this commercially but the people who have built it have been shot at". What kind of morons is this guy talking to? Gotta love the applause afterwards too. It made me feel embarrassed for the people who were clapping.
Infinitely simple I tell you, :D
I'm convinced that somehow a magnet motor is possible though. When I hold strong magnets near each other they either pull or push. That's energy isn't it? Why can't that be translated into another form energy? I've been reading a lot in the last day or so about this and there are so may skeptics out there, but there are an equal number of people who believe it's possible.
Hopefully I will be getting a lathe and cnc mill soon and thats when I will seriously start my tinkering, right now I'm just playing with magnets and reading what I can find about other peoples ideas and why they don't work.
Thanks for the response.
G'day all,
There are two types of devices you can spend a life time perfecting getting nowhere. Both have a 300 year plus history of failures.
Gravity motors and permanent magnet motors. Over the centuries many have tried, in fact many have devoted their lives to it. Result? ZIPPO!
Could it be that there is a reason for this?
Hans von Lieven
QuoteCould it be that there is a reason for this?
All the people who tried are stupid?
Remember that free energy is infinitely simple :D
Actually I didn't know that magnet motor experimentation had such a long history.
So, in your opinion, will overunity ever be achieved?
If by overunity you mean free, clean energy the answer is yes.
I do not believe the solution will be found in gravity and magnet motors though.
Hans von Lieven
You will only get a magnet motor to work when you find a magnet that will not loose its magnetism.
As for gravity machines, we just have to find the way to make it juggel. Yes a juggling act.
QuoteIf by overunity you mean free, clean energy the answer is yes.
I do not believe the solution will be found in gravity and magnet motors though.
What's left?
Solar, wind, geomagnetic devices? We already have the technology for clean it's the free part that is hard coming. I don't really know that there are many more options for the free part.
QuoteYou will only get a magnet motor to work when you find a magnet that will not loose its magnetism.
What do you mean? Is that the problem now? How long does it take for a magnet to loose it's magnetism? How does it loose it?
The biggest enemy of a magnet is heat, get it too hot and it will lose its magnetism, a stronger opposing field will do it too, some magnets lose their magnetism by a sharp blow with a hammer.
I believe the real avenue for free energy is energy derived from tuning into universal energy fields by resonance. There are real opportunities there, at present poorly researched.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: dogfishguzzler on November 25, 2007, 08:04:25 PM
All the people who tried are stupid?
You are being awfully arrogant and presumptive. If you are so smart, you show us your idea.
QuoteYou are being awfully arrogant and presumptive. If you are so smart, you show us your idea.
I'm afraid that was only a joke.
I wanted to post once more on this thread before I allow it to slip into oblivion.
QuoteI believe the real avenue for free energy is energy derived from tuning into universal energy fields by resonance. There are real opportunities there, at present poorly researched.
I've heard of this but haven't really read anything about it. I guess the first thing I think of when I read that is, how accessible is that to the home hobbyist? At the very least it seems you would need a helluva understanding of physics and mathematics. Some or most of which are largely misunderstood, even by scientists (as you stated). That makes a lowly tool and die maker like myself highly unlikely to tap into earth's resonant frequencies.
I did some reading today hoping to better understand the history of failure in magnet motors and their design. My goal was simple, learn a little about how science talks about and measures magnetic qualities/quantities, and try to learn a few new terms I keep seeing pop up. One of these terms is "magnetic gate". I'm still confused as to what this is exactly. I read all most the entire Calloway site and my take from that is any magnet arrangement that causes movement would be called a gate. On the other hand I saw some videos of people talking about magnets and they seem to call "the sticky spot" the gate, which is it? Is it neither?
Of course like most everybody else who dabbles in this hobby I would have never taken interest unless I felt I had a great idea. I'm still convinced my idea will work ( I'm sure nobody ever had that thought! ) but I need my machines before I can build some prototypes. Until I do more drawing and thinking about it I don't even want to discuss it, at the risk of sounding like a moron who didn't think things through.
I wonder if someone nails this magnetic motor thing, what then? Personally if I were to find a way to make a magnet motor that would rotate even for a few days and produced useful torque, I would call it a success. I would also be very adamant about it's place in the public domain. I'm a huge fan of the GPL and open source everything. I hope somebody somewhere has a major epiphany and we can all benefit.
BTW that toy on that video is called a Hamel's disk I found several sites with detailed construction info. TheOne was correct in that it depends on hand movement to sustain spin. Cool idea though. ;D Infinitely Simple!! I was laughing about that all day. I'm not trying to be cruel but if these guys weren't fishing for money then I'll be damned.
I can't wait to get my machines so I can make these parts I have in mind and post my results here. thanks for your replies and patience with my questions Hans, and to all of you who took time to answer me.
G'day dogfish,
If you want to learn a little more about resonance perhaps you should have a look at Keely. Try my site, plug plug :-), http://www.keelytech.com for an introduction.
Hans von Lieven