Hi All,
Read the text below and please if you decide to construct this simple inexpensive device please post a movie clip of it operating hands free continuosly. Let all of us know the particulars of your succesfull construction specs. I dont believe anyone has tried out such a device yet at least the way I think it might work.
If each person reading this can make an attempt at constructing one ---think about it--- Someone is bound to come up with a winning combination doing it their way with what materials they might have on hand. Just like the lottery. I am not interested in any fame or money at all-- The fact that it can be done is enough for me. Give it a go.
Tom
why don't you build it yourself and post a movie clip of that?
And why exactly would we want to build this? There is no output...
Besides that, it is Hameltech. If you know anything about Hamel and his "technology", you know that this is actually one of the "proof of concept" devices that Hamel used to substantiate his exotic design for a permanent magnet powered propulsion device for use in his flying saucer.
It was not meant to power a normal electrical generator or anything like that.
After this "spinner" followed the "3 cone device" or "45 gallon drum device" which was a 45 gallon steel drum with 3 cones upside down, all rimmed with magnets and with opposing rings of magnets attached to the barrel. Essentially it is a large scale "spinner" with 3 cones, which should "wobble" accoring to what Hamel calls the "butterfly effect", and this motion should pump air through the drum, which according to Hamels claims should then build up a high charge.
And this was again only a stepstone.
In the end it served to complete and correct the design of the final device, which is the actual propulsion unit. This is basically the 3 cone device with a different design so that the air pumping action is maximised and charge concentration in the center of the entire cylindrical engine is achieved (or so it is claimed).
This propulsion unit should then be built into the flying saucer Hamel designed and is still building. Or at least, last I heard they were still working on the hull, which for some reason is being built of granite slabs.
It is not new, and it is considered by many to be "fringe" or even "mad" 'science'...
Hi,
I am well aware of everything you stated. Thats why I posted in this "Half Baked" ideas listing. I thought it might be fun thing to do if one can crack their wallet for $20 or so plus set a little free time aside to experiment on the cheap. To expensive- rushed on time --then look elsewhere.
Should I bear fruit with what I am doing I wont be posting that movie in this listing. I will have to search for a "PROVEN" self sustained continuously running overunity device listing to post in.
Tom
Hi
Why bother there is a perpetual motion pendulum in London it has been swinging since it was put up some where back in the 1800's
If you make the string or whatever long enough the motion of the earth will keep it swinging, some one said to this guy prove it so he did it has not stopped yet to my knowledge
aussepom
Quote from: magnetman12003 on November 27, 2007, 11:55:43 AM
Should I bear fruit with what I am doing I wont be posting that movie in this listing. I will have to search for a "PROVEN" self sustained continuously running overunity device listing to post in.
Tom
Tom, You will be the first one in over 300 years of trying to succeed if you manage to do this.
Instant fame!
Isn't it exciting?
Hans von Lieven
I would hope that someone besides myself finds early first sucess.
As stated previously I am not after monetary rewards or fame at all.
I have been blessed by the good lord with much more important things in this life.
Finding the holy grail of overunity would be nice but I am not in a dire sweat to be the first to reach it.
Tom
Quote from: Koen1 on November 27, 2007, 09:00:07 AM
It is not new, and it is considered by many to be "fringe" or even "mad" 'science'...
The last time I discussed Hamel's work I read people celebrating his death on this forum.
I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?
Lets see.....be creative or be a dork? gheeee hard to pick man.... duhh??
http://www.answers.com/fringe&r=67
Those members of a group or political party holding extreme views: "the lunatic fringe".Where
extreme describes the short sightedness of the author of the insult.
Or does it not?
@magnetman12003: Okay, so you posted this as an interesting build project for people with spare time and money, basically? alright then. I can't disagree with that. It was just not clear to me that that was what you meant. I, in turn, meant no offense of any kind, but mainly wanted to point out that though this may indeed be an interesting 'toy' to build, it is not actually a "free energy" or "over unity" device... But then again, for a cool build project that doesn't really matter.
All that said, it is of course an interesting construction and I might indeed build one on a rainy night in the future. Sorry if my original reaction came across dismissive and thanks for resparking my "spinner" interest :)
@aussepom: so where exactly is this "eternal pendulum" then? If it were the case that a pendulum has been swinging since 1800 and does not stall, then surely it would be a celebrated scientific fact that would be on show in a London museum somewhere? Can you give the name of the creator/inventor? I've never heard of it... and I've been to London quite a number of times... If you can give more info, I'd love to go look it up sometime.
@gaby de wilde: I am having some trouble distilling the essence of your post from the text you wrote...
When you say "I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?" then who are you calling a psychopath and who is being blamed for having what crazy idea?
Are you calling Hamel a psychopath? If so, then who's he blaming for what idea? Or are you calling me a psycho? And who am I blaming for what then?
(Not to mention the fact that I fail to see the evidence for any psychopathological behaviour...)
When you say "Lets see.....be creative or be a dork? gheeee hard to pick man.... duhh??" then who are you calling creative and who are you calling a dork and for what reason?
And in respect to the definition of "the lunatic fringe", where do you get the "insult"? The word is not used in the definition.
It's not difficult, is it? A "fringe" is generally a term for (variations of) a border, edge, margin, sideline. "extreme" also means "on the edge of", "at the borders".
The "lunatic fringe" of a group thus means the "loony" people on the "border" of what the group generally believes/thinks/stands for.
So for example in a political group, the general concensus may be a politically "central" ideology, but there may be members that lean much more toward the left or right ideology, which still fall within the broad area of the group, but only barely, and they're right there on the "border" of what is and is not the established group conviction.
They are not yet outside the group, they still share most of the ideas and convictions, but they share less of them than the rest of the group, and have a tendency toward the left or right, which if they would take just one more step away from the groups central ideology they would fall outside of the "zone", beyond the "extremes" of the group, and go "over the edge".
Similarly, we call things "cutting edge" when it is groundbreaking, new, stuff that falls only barely within the realm of understanding. For example, newly discovered technologies are sually considered "cutting edge", which means it is so far on the "borders" of establishes science and technology that it is not common knowledge and is therefore also called "spearheading" technology.
Oddly enough, the term ""fringe" or "borderline" science is usually considered to be a negative thing, in the lines of "mad science" and "nutty proffessors", and it is often "marginalised" which also has a negative connotation in the sense of "?gnored" or even "ridiculed".
Which is actually a bit strange if you consider the fact that "fringe" and "border line" actually have a connotation very similar and often identical to "(cutting) edge", "margin" and "extreme"...
But I still fail to see the "insult" you refer to, gaby. Can you please explain?
Quote from: Koen1 on November 28, 2007, 11:05:18 AM
@magnetman12003: Okay, so you posted this as an interesting build project for people with spare time and money, basically? alright then. I can't disagree with that. It was just not clear to me that that was what you meant. I, in turn, meant no offense of any kind, but mainly wanted to point out that though this may indeed be an interesting 'toy' to build, it is not actually a "free energy" or "over unity" device... But then again, for a cool build project that doesn't really matter. All that said, it is of course an interesting construction and I might indeed build one on a rainy night in the future. Sorry if my original reaction came across dismissive and thanks for resparking my "spinner" interest :)
Oh, I thought you was another one of those peeps dismising everything. I'm like having a nervous breakdown from reading their thousands of comments online. hahaha IMHO you are the hamel spinner researcher. If anything productive is going to happen it's all going to boil down to you.
here
http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/david-hamel
http://www.overunity.org.uk/hamelspinner.htm
Quote@aussepom: so where exactly is this "eternal pendulum" then? If it were the case that a pendulum has been swinging since 1800 and does not stall, then surely it would be a celebrated scientific fact that would be on show in a London museum somewhere?
There are various clocks that ran until they needed maintenance.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ooVnzrU3eqXHKSdB2TQ.j3cMn.tCeQ--?tag=clock
Yahoo! 360? - Entries tagged "clock"
The Cox timepiece is in the Victoria and Albert Museum in Britain.
QuoteCan you give the name of the creator/inventor? I've never heard of it... and I've been to London quite a number of times... If you can give more info, I'd love to go look it up sometime.
@gaby de wilde: I am having some trouble distilling the essence of your post from the text you wrote...
When you say "I never got that part, how can a psychopath blame some one for having a crazy idea?" then who are you calling a psychopath and who is being blamed for having what crazy idea?
I just I wish I could read something optimistic said about the Hamel spinner. There are people online who will attack anyone or thing that is even remotely related to free energy for various reasons. Hamel also claims he had contact with Aliens. This generates additional attacks. As if the system goes into hyper drive. Trying to do constructive engineering in this environment is extremely bad for your mental health. You can trust me on that one lol
But I thought you was another one. lol
Sorry about that, I will go bother some one else.
Please continue your research and forget I ever existed. :-)
hehehe
lol gaby :)
Actually I was heavily into Hameltech some years back, and have studied Hamels various designs extensively.
If I had the money and the time I would have built his "ufo engine" long ago. I've actually seen some really impressive results with this "technology", allbeit nothing as exotic as claimed by Hamel. (lol wouldn't you like to see a 45 gallon steel drum with aluminium cones and magnets start to self-oscillate, self-charge, and finally rip itself loose from its steel bolts and shoot off into the sky straight through your roof? That allegedly happened with Hamel :))
There are one or two guys that built versions of the "spinner" and the "weight-into-speed generator" that apparently do work. And I know of one guy who had a large spinner hanging from his garage ceiling, which caused the light bulb there to light up without power feed to it...
Thanks for the links though. I bet you have them on your site too? Like your site by the way.
And thanks for the link to the timepiece thing. I didn't know about this one. Every day is a school day ;)
I do know there is a Duluc "dry pile" ("permanent" electrostatic power source made of aluminium foil, copper foil, and paper, sealed in a glass tube) driving a "Faraday" electrostatic bell (simple electrostatic motor/oscillator) which has been running for over a century... Also impressive...
Anyway, yes you are right, there are tons of nay-sayers and pessimists constantly attacking all areas of "free energy" research. And Hamel certainly got labeled a nutcase very quickly as he was always prepared to talk about his alien contacts. To me that doesn't really matter, because any simple carpenter who gets some interesting ideas about magnet-based drive systems and actually starts trying to build them in his backyard, and keeps at it for years and years while people mock and shun him, is already impressive. Yes, he may claim he got his insights from aliens. So what? If he did, then it's not worth more or less because of it, and if he didn't then at least he's one heck of a tenacious man for sticking with his experiments and saucer construction for years, even when he's strapped for cash... He wasn't bothering anyone with it. And besides that, quite a number of serious people found his work very interesting... Jean Naudin even found it interesting enough to make a really nice graphical model of the entire Hamel saucer craft and its engine...
And besides that, there's tons of people who got their "brilliant" ideas in their dreams, or while daydreaming, or they just "pop into their heads"... Wasn't the chemical makeup of benzene envisioned by its "discoverer" in a dream of a snake biting its own tail, for example? What difference does it make if it "popped into your head", or "appeared in a dream", or "shown in a vision" or even "communicated by aliens"? For all I care you can claim your idea dropped straight out of the Platonic realm and hit you on the head... It doesn't really matter where the idea came from, as long as you didn't steal it from someone else, and as long as you can work with it to get some tangiable results.
That said, I must admit there are not many tangiable rsults in the Hameltech. There's only a small handfull of people that claim(ed) to have built a working "spinner","wisgen" or "3 CD"/"45GD". Quite a number of others have tried to build working versions but not succeeded.
As for your statement "as if the system goes into hyper drive", well there were some pretty exotic claims in relation to the Hamel craft and engine...
For example it was claimed that the Hamel saucer would absorb charges from the air untill extremely high charges were stored in the crafts metal, while the 'depleted' air would be vented along specially controllable pathways which would have a direct effect upon the crafts motion in the air, and the effect of these varying layers of charged air and discharges from the crafts metal bottom into the downward flowing charged air would be so intense that an "anti-gravity" effect was claimed to appear. Now considering the Lifter research and the Brown electrokinetic effect that is not inconceivable in principle. But then it was also claimed the crafts outer hull needs to be plated with slabs of granite. As granite is very heavy, it seems very unlikely that charges produced by what looks like an anomalous homopolar generator could reach energy levels sufficient to cause the Brown effect to levitate the entire granite craft...
Yet it was claimed this would happen and that the energy would be sufficient. It was also claimed there would always be a 1G gravity inside the craft, due to the same effects of the moving charged air and the moving charges in the metal, but now internally. How this would happen exactly remains unclear to me. It was also claimed that fresh air would be produced inside the craft somehow, while the engine is active, but that also remains unclear. And it was claimed that the granite would "react" with the energy flows around and through it, which would turn it into "celestial steel" as Hamel called it. Again very unclear.
Throw in the reoccurring mention of ancient Egypt and how the ancient Egyptian knowledge was connected directly to his Hameltech, and it is not hard to see why many people considered him to be a nutcase. Still, if he was a bit nutty, then at least he was very active at it and did come up with some interesting designs.
lol I won't forget you existed but I will continue my research. Does not look like I'll be revisiting the hameltech very soon though. Like I said, maybe on a rainy day sometime... But for now I'm too busy with my energy cell experiments. :)
Hi Guys,
Just made this Hamel spinner modification. The steel ball now has 150 pound load tested ball joint stainless swivals mounted on each side . Exactly 180 degrees from each other. Just have to try my posted Hamel spinner modification ideas out. Gravity should keep centering the spinning ball/ring magnet setup all the time. Maybe the spinning device will swing back and forth like a pendulum - bumping around and never finding a neutral point??
Notice I am going to experiment with the actual spinning Hamel ring magnet and center steel ball first. If successful I will try a flat magnetic disk later.
Who knows what will work if anything? Will keep you all posted with results later. Might make one heck of a kids toy!
Tom
How is this a Hamel spinner?
I know the Hamel spinner as a steel ball with a ring magnet resting on top of it, much like a bowler hat rest on a head.
Another ring magnet would be held above it in attraction, and would be rotated somewhat off center to make the ball swivel around.
A different version uses a "magnetic gate" (ring with all magnets north poles facing in, south poles facing out, or vice versa) instead of the ring magnet held above the ball.
I do not recall a Hamel spinner where the ball was completely encircled by the ring magnet.
Nor do I know a Hamel spinner where the ball is fixed to two joints on either side of the magnet.
Recent sperimentation on "fluctuation driven magnetic motor" at Caltech.
Marzio
Hey thanks for that pdf Wings!
Very interesting read.
I am a little confused about the paper though; it is stated several times that "the system rectifies stochastic fluctuations", for example.
Now as far as I know, and Wiki seems to agree, "stochastic" = "characterized by conjecture and randomness.A stochastic process is one whose behavior is non-deterministic in that a state does not fully determine its next state." Again I quote Wiki on the subject of stochastics in natural science: "example of a stochastic process in the natural world is pressure in a gas. Even though (classically speaking) each molecule is moving in a deterministic path, the motion of a collection of them is computationally and practically unpredictable. A large enough set of molecules will exhibit stochastic characteristics, such as filling the container, exerting equal pressure, diffusing along concentration gradients, etc."
So basically we are talking about chaotic/random non-deterministic fluctuations. Of unknown nature, apparently... ?
I have trouble understanding what they mean with this exactly. Apparently they are talking about random temperature fluctuations? If that is so, then I still have trouble with it but I'll get to that later.
The paper also states: "although work cannot be extracted from thermal energy by the second law of thermodynamics, it is shown that ballistic transport from thermal
energy is possible."
Right. So ballistic transport is not "work"? Ballistic transport does not require energy? Ballistic transport cannot be turned into usefull energy, which can be used to do "work"? Seems a bit strange to me...
Getting back to the fluctuations part, I see tests and analyses of a Hamel type spinner setup. It is clearly stated that the spinner is made to move by tilting and moving the magnetic ring. By hand.
Exactly how this leads to the conclusion that random temperature fluctuations are responsible for the motion remains unclear.
Can anyone explain this?
Then, finally, I cannot actually find any conclusions in the "Conclusion" alinea. Yes, a nice brief reveiw of the papers contents is given there, but I fail to see what exactly was "concluded" from the analysis...
Anyone?
Hi All,
I have been experimenting with Davids spinner setup and found out a few things. First it does not work while suspended on any type of chain setup as I had illustrated before. I will eat crow there.
""But"" the spinner does work extremely well when the large ring magnet is mounted on a balance beam setup and allowed to tip back and forth in a BUTTERFLY type motion as described by Hamel
I have now intergrated the whole idea into a pendulum type of movement and am posting it here for the world to see first hand.
The "LEVEL non tipping" table the spinner rests on is not shown as it is not assembled under the large ring magnet as of yet. It has a hole in the center to allow the pendulum arm to swing through.
I have a real gut feeling that 30 degrees of large ring magnet tilt is needed each side of center to keep this going. I may be wrong however. An equalateral triangle has three 60 degree sides as in keeping with Hamels cone ideas.
At the best this idea might work a long time and at the worst it will need only a small force to drive the larger magnetic force.
I have posted a movie on the U tube thats called "Modified Hamel Spinner". I am way beyond this at present and as of this date all is working well. You need a very powerfull large ceramic ring magnet to duplicate this. 7 inch diameter or better with a 4.3 or larger center hole. I am working on the needed lenght of the pendulum arm and weight right now.
Please Note: All I have shown is absolutely free for the world to replicate and not for anyone to make personal profits from or hide inside any patent taking claim they thought of it first. Im not into this for money or fame. Remember all ideas are dated here when posting in this forum. If someone has or had a patent related and dated prior to this posting so be it.
Tom
@ magnetman (and anyone else attempting to build this setup)
be very careful when playing with the "butterfly" effect as you guys are calling it.
ALWAYS ALWAYS have some sort of "brake" or wheel stopper, if you lock this thing into fixed oscillations in the right configuration it can accelerate exponentially, ( means it will spin faster and faster until it tears itself apart)
and pieces can go flying around the room at dangerous speeds.
you're not quite there yet, but this approach you're taking here is getting close to a fixed magnetic oscillator, and should be treated with caution.
im not by any means attempting to discourage you from your efforts, im just saying to be careful, i had no idea such a thing was even possible until i nearly killed myself, scared the wife and put holes in the walls from flying magnets!!!!
the system i had fed off of each other, which is what i think you're trying to do with the "swivel" magnet on the stand???
with this kind of spinner i dont think you have to worry because the ball will just break free from the magnetic field and start to slow back down, but if you fix the spinner this "failsafe" goes away, and opens the door for a potential runaway.
just thought i'd throw that out there,
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as far as attaching a pendulum to the spinning disk.....
there are so many sides to that i dont even know where to begin..
so i guess first lets start with the action of the pendulum while its spinning.
im assuming the disk is spinning at a considerable rpm, so the pendulum i believe would not "swing" at all, but just spin with the disk.
if its paramagnetic it may be attracted to the disk, wich will have an effect on the entire system, if its a nonmagnetic metal, there will be all kinds of "eddy currents".
so said pendulum would be best to be made of a plastic or other nonmetal materials.
of course, for the pendulum to swing, i cannot be spinning faster than a predetermined rate directly proportional to its mass, or as stated above it will not "swing", so attached to a slow moving disk nonmagnetic metals could be used.
secondly i shall address the "kick" you which to achieve from the slowly spinning pendulum -
though most concievable attachments, the force you willl achieve is verticle.
or would otherwise hinder the action of the pendulum.
this verticle (downwards) force could be used to offset the balance of the (slowly) spinning disk.
perhaps through this you could maintain the disks motion.
i am unsure how to impart the force back to the pendulum - [if anyone has some insight on that it would go great with my perpetual milkovic hammer idea...].
also not sure if the "slow spin" is even workable in this type of spinner??
a fast spinning disk would surely impart forces into pendulum that would prevent it from swinging.
-- IF the pendulum is not spinning with the disk, but rather attached to the plane the disk spins on, then a fast spinning disk could work, provided the plane was allowed to swivel from the verticle force imparted on it by the pendulum.
[ sorry for the long run-on post, i could expand on this for days from so many angles, but i think it would drive all interest out of the entire subject, so i'll leave you guys with this little piece of my thoughts for now]
Hi Smoky2,
Presently I am using a regular Hamel spinner. The smaller ring magnet with steel ball setup. No disk magnet spinner setup presently since this is working out real well.
The spinner itself spins real fast while all the while its traveling in a perfect 9 inch circle. Thats why I can cut a center hole in the level table its on and it will spin in a complete circle around and around that center hole. The center hole allows the pendulum arm to swing side to side. Real sweet setup so far. If the spinner shoots the off its table later for any reason I will slow the pendulum arm down by adjusting weight and lenght. Have not got to that point yet. Thanks for the heads up.
No ferrous metals used in the entire construction except a 316 stainless steel non magnetic T NUT is used to secure the pendulum arm to the large ring magnets tilt table Y yoke.
Tom
Hi All,
An Update:
I just finished making and installing the table for the spinner with a hole in the center. The hole has to be large enough so that the pendulum arm can swing free allowing the spinner to travel around it.
To small a hole and you wont be able to tip the large ring magnet balance beam head to allow the spinner to move.
To large a hole presents a problem of tipping the large ring magnets balance beams head to much. This allows the spinner to fly upwards to the large ring by attraction. Both magnets could be damaged by this action. Also the spinner might fall through this hole by accident.
All this is very important. Keep everything LEVEL as you construct this device. A good bubble level is a necessity.
Right now I am adjusting the weight at the end of the pendulum. If you allow this weight to go to articulate fast you will see the spinner spin in an ever and ever larger circle untill its magnetic fields break free and it flys off the table. That happened to me already but I was prepared and expected that.
By adjusting the weight at the end of the pendulum I hope to reach a point that the pendulums weight regulates the spinner travel. The spinners ever changing weight as it travels around under the ring magnet then controlls pendulum movement. Hopefully I can reach a state of hands off self sustained motion. Not there yet.
Remember as the spinner travels under the large ring magnet it is lifted up moreso at different points in its circular table travel by the large ring magnet.
In other words the large ring magnet now holds a large part of the spinners weigh making the spinner itself lighter at that particular point in its circular travel. You wont actually see that weight shift by looking at the spinner while its moving around but the pendulum action feels the weight shift.
Thats what makes this device so interesting. Movie to come later.
Tom
Hi All,
I have constructed a finished and painted duplicate model of what I have made so far. For anyone that does not have the time, patience, tools, or ability to construct this device checkout my Ebay auction # 110212978123 What you see on the auction page is now painted and has the spinner table attached. The spinner spins on its table.
Please remember that presently this device can be operated using one finger. It is not self powered yet. Thats for you to experiment further with as I am doing.
Tom
hey Tom,
Great work !! i love the You-Tube video
i just made one with a 1-inch ball bearing and a microwave magnet !
Hi Smoky2,
What did you use for your large ring magnet? I used a 7 5/8 inch diameter ceramic ring magnet with a 4 1/2 inch diameter hole in the center. Two attacted together gave me a 1 1/2 inch total thickness. Someone on Ebay right now is selling similar large ceramic magnets in grade 8 which are very powerfull..
I found that the more powerfull this large ring magnet is the better the smaller spinner works. The large hole in this ring means that the spinner will be able to travel in a larger circular fashion while spinning all the time.
Thinking on a much larger industrial scale lets say with FUTURE development this device concept can power itself:
One only has to put a fixed copper coil cage all around either the moving large ring magnet or construct a wire coil cage all around a disk?? type of spinner magnet with many magnetic arms. The coil must be close and not touching either magnet.
We now not only have a motor setup but a means to extract electricity from it. All wishfull thinking now but maybe possible??
Tom
i have a 5-inch(OD) ring magnet (magnetron), the center hole is about 1 & 1/2" (ID)
the smaller ring magnet has an inner hold of about 1/2", the steel ball doesnt go into the hole, so it sits complteely on top. Its outer diameter is a little less than 3 inches.
it spins in a 4-5 inch circle under the larger magnet, mine is hard to keep it going with a purely back&forth motion, such as would be obtained from a swinging pendulum, but i can kind of see how you make it oscillate like that.
to keep mine spinning i have to kind of rock it in a circular motion. kind of a back and forth + front and back, as it goes around but it keeps spinning like crazy the whole time.
i think the smaller ring magnet is too large, or i need a bigger large magnet so the two work better together, but it demonstrates the basic principal
Hi Smoky2,
My small spinner has a 1.25 inch diameter steel ball. Two small ring magnets are attracted together and then I have a total thickness of 1 inch.
The diameter of the small rings are 2 1/8 inches and the hole size is 7/8 inch
I experimented with many different ring magnets and different ball sizes to come up with the combination I am using. Some combinations flat did not work and others very slowly or marginally.
It seems the larger and more powerfull top ring magnet worked the best for me with any spinner combination I tried. I have a smaller 6 and 4.5 inch diameter ring magnet I also tried. They did not perform as well.
You will definetely need to have the spinner travel in a larger circle so it cam travel around the swinging pendulum arm in a perfect circle all the while its spinning. You can see that now.
Tom