hello
that is my first post here
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it come from quanthomme website ( EDIT:Imris Pavel patent CZ9401781 )
using gravity and magnets
i hope that Omnibus will like this one !
there is also this one come from onnouscachetout forum (i was Alchimiste there) this forum is closed now , so here i am !
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those wheels had already worked in the past
now looking for reproducing them ?
the second one is really good!
i think, i will build it for a test... its easy to build... very nice!
Hello
i have studied a lot of those wheels, the second one is all gravity, you'll have to use the exact number of ball, if you put less the variance will be to high, and if you put for exemple 100 ball the variance will be to low, infinite will do non variance for example, and just 8 balls will not work for sure
that wheel is before Bessler time ! Sir Somerset done it and many eyewitheness saw it run
i have make a wheel just like this one with no rope, it suppose to be the same thing
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the first wheel is the gravito-magnetic one, magnet at left loose strength and magnets at the rigth regain force, at the left two m?tal plate absorb magnets force
i could post the link where a found those two wheels
i prefer those two wheel, Bessler made 4 diff?rent system working !
Hello
i have studied those wheels for a while, and now many members search for someting working !
here is the link of a working gravity wheel !
the century of invention 1665 !
http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/dircks/
the gravity wheel is here
http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/dircks/His111chap1.html#454
look at the end of the page you'll see the same shema above with 40 weights
here another text for the same wheel
The wheel was fourteen feet over, and had forty weights of fifty pounds apiece. Sir William Balfore, then Lieutenant of the Tower, can justify it, with several others. They all saw, that no sooner these great weights passed the diameter line of the lower side, but they hung a foot farther from the center; nor no sooner passed the diameter line of the upper side, but they hung a foot nearer. Be pleased to judge of the consequence.
and dont forget the gravito-magn?tic wheel above , that wheel was patent ! someone put that one on examination at the patent office in last centuries
looking for something working seems shorter, here 2 working wheel, good luck in reproducing them
Drannom .. sorry, the Marquis of Worcestor's wheel didn't/doesn't work - well, not unless you include the addition of hand impetus from time to time to give it momentum & velocity ;)
Quote from: fletcher on May 03, 2008, 07:08:11 PM
Drannom .. sorry, the Marquis of Worcestor's wheel didn't/doesn't work - well, not unless you include the addition of hand impetus from time to time to give it momentum & velocity ;)
Do not be sorry, you may get right !
His notice of this exhibition was not written by the Marquis until 1655, from 14 to 17 years after its occurrence, and he may have then hesitated to say that it was not a success; but he may have persuaded himself that he was at last in possession of the secret that was at first wanting, Besides, we are not to infer that the company described as being present had gone to the Tower purposely to see the Marquis's wheel; it being far more probable that, Charles the First and the foreign ambassadors were there to view that fortress with all its treasures and curiosities.
According to the state of knowledge in 1663, the Marquis of Worcester was singular in entertaining this subject, and all we can make of the present article is, that he left it open to doubt whether he himself did not consider that his experiment required confirmation. " Perpetuum Mobile; or a history of the search for self-motive power," 1862, is a work which may be taken as an elaborate note on this article, for it was the perusal of it that led the author, to commence the compilation of that work, more than thirty years ago.
so, i wonder why this wheel could not work, may some bearing make the difference ?
and, the gravito-magnetic wheel, the first one above still need to be prove wrong !
i have notice that magnets are passing between metal plates and then loose power, when magnets get out metal plates there is others magnets enter metal plate, so the rotation must be smooth !
i may test those wheels, some one here may test it sooner !!
bye
i finally found the link from the quanthomme french website !
Imris Pavel is the inventor of this gravito magnetic device!
patent CZ9401781
it's in a new from 1995, so it seems a recent patent ! i wonder what happen of that discovery
http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/nouv041005motmagn.htm
http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/imagnews05/imrismot.jpg
i will search for other links if possible
Imris Pavel is a genious
he also get a radiant device !!
Optical Electrostatic Generator http://www.rexresearch.com/imris/imris.htm
That make the gravito magnetic wheel more interesting, it must be a working wheel !
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in this forum i had suppose to find some eminences to clearly analyse this gravito magnetic wheel, instead of waiting for something not working ! we are the 20 june !! surprise Archer will not work ! i am not surprise at all...
@Drannom;
I think the gravity wheel does run. What's amazing is that I made a wm2d simulation with 8 weights. It didn't run but I attached a motor and tracked a weight. It shows that there's more gain than loss.
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It might be very subtle why it doesn't run. Somtimes there only 3 weights on the right side for a brief moment. This might be destructive.
Hi Broli
thank you for testing it in your simulation, of course 8 balls will not work, that is a matter of variance, then 100 balls will not work either, only 40 balls give the right variance
put a motor to test the power output is a clever idea !
And i wonder what will be if you run it with 40 balls
and then after try to simulate the Imris Pavel gravito-magnetic device, i suppose that magnets does not fit in the simulation
i am still waiting for some eminence to look at the first picture of this topic and explain why it works or not
i have not found the other link on Imris Pavel ? i saw it...
well he is genious and he deserve some attention for the OU forum
it migth be the simple way to extract gravity !
I have been studying the Marquis of Worcester wheel for some time, and it is hard to figure out why it doesn't work. Here is what I believe IMO. It has more weight below the axle than above and even though it has greater distance to the descending side, it is still harder to lift than to drop, not to mention that it still has the weight at the edge in the dead zone, and doesn't lift until the 7:00 mark. I am not saying that it won't spin at all, for I think it could spin for awhile. And as many time as this wheel has been tried you have to wonder why hasn't somebody figured out its problems, and correct them? IMO, Simply because you can only use the basis of it, but you will have to add another add on design to it. But what do you do then? 8)
Quote from: Drannom on May 12, 2008, 08:08:19 AM
i finally found the link from the quanthomme french website !
Imris Pavel is the inventor of this gravito magnetic device!
patent CZ9401781
it's in a new from 1995, so it seems a recent patent ! i wonder what happen of that discovery
http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/nouv041005motmagn.htm
http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/imagnews05/imrismot.jpg
i will search for other links if possible
pavel@sperlik.cz
pavel@sperlik.cz is link to inventor
Thank you Mirzel !!
i have email him to join us here and comment his own discovery !
Here's the simulation with 40 weights...
http://broli.dommel.be/switchWheel.avi
http://broli.dommel.be/switchWheel.wm2d
Unfortunately it has the same effect. I think these kind of wheels don't depend on the amount of weights, Technically even 2 or 4 should be fine. As long as you overcome that moment where there's more on the "negative" side then you can make it spin.
Thank you Broli !
i appreciate it very well !
now i am satisfy, as much as we can from a simulation, anyway only experiment can put it forward...
to understand the variance just imagine infinite number of balls then you'll realise that is worst, and few balls will be not enough smooth, you may be rigth who knows
here again the Imris Pavel wheel
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that wheel can be the easy way to produce OU ? i dream to reproduce it to test it
How is the Pavel wheel suspposed to work. It's just seems covered on one side which magically makes the magnets forget about each other. I have my own idea but it might be the same. The idea I have in mind is to have a half circle shield on one side.
Edit:
abit like this...
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btw I also discovered bad engineering in that gravity model. the forces on the left side are not radial THUS they produce a negative torque. This shouldn't be the case if they are radial. So this is my bad. I'll correct this. Here's a shot of that.
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As you can see those vectors are not pointing to the center as they should.
Thank you Broli !
the Imris Pavel gravito magnetic wheel is pretty easy to understand !
magnets loose strength between 2 metal plates at the left, and regain all power in air at right !
Imris Pavel done this one in 1995, only the picture give all we need to understand
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Next week I will come together with Dr. Pavel Imris ,
but the gravito-magnetic wheel is actually not our target !
The listed e-mail is , I think so,from an CZ-engineer - but not the same person !
Sinerely
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on June 21, 2008, 06:28:37 PM
Next week I will come together with Dr. Pavel Imris ,
but the gravito-magnetic wheel is actually not our target !
The listed e-mail is , I think so,from an CZ-engineer - but not the same person !
Sinerely
CdL
p.s.: the visit let show the "fruit" of our co-operation, not directly gravitational-but also,
by the end, rotational . As real/physical object.
for those who can read between the lines it means that this gravito magnetic device is a real patent working device , and the inventor do not want to show up here for his safety
he probably promise to never talk about it again, another conspiracy against another inventor
nothing can stop anyone to try that wheel and see if it is good or not, and try to save the planet with it
Dear Mr."Drannom",
the title of the opto-/ wheel/ el.-Motor/ ..... -inventor : Dr. and ,CSc.
the first name of the Inventor : Pavel ~ Paul
the sur / family name : Imris.
I hope that you did not find anything between my written lines,
because there is only emptyness !
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: lancaIV on July 21, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
Dear Mr."Drannom",
the title of the opto-/ wheel/ el.-Motor/ ..... -inventor : Dr. and ,CSc.
the first name of the Inventor : Pavel ~ Paul
the sur / family name : Imris.
I hope that you did not find anything between my written lines,
because there is only emptyness !
Sincerely
CdL
Dear LancalV
what do you mean by
Quotethe title of the opto-/ wheel/ el.-Motor/ ..... -inventor : Dr. and ,CSc.
ok, i do not read between the lines, i just imagine why you didn't talk with him of the gravito magnetic wheel, you were happy to do that i though,
and no input after the meeting, and my imagination find a theory to fit with it, so we may wait one year or two until someone get a chance to ask him about that
all i need to know is : does is work or not, and now to get the answer we have to try it, not so bad after all
i am still happy, i suppose there is a good reason to not talk about the wheel
thank you to bring some input here, it makes me very excited
that is what i found on the opto
Pavel Imris?s patent 3,781,601 for his Optical Electrostatic Generator which has an output more than nine times the input power and has no moving parts.
here the pdf, the same thing of the link above
24.07.2008:
Received notice from FRG:
D-Day
The official ( physics, you know )limit became ultrapassed
CdL
p.s.: eu ouvi duma qualquer pessoa : " Nos vamos mudar o mundo !"
Ah, sim ?! Very nice !
Notice from your hometown, Harti , Berlim
uma empresa com um qualquer nome ,similar de " ximenez" =espanhol- em alem?o ?!
I know, very unfair , if anybody does not understand "Fremdsprache" !
???
Peut-?tre que l'on parle pas le m?me language apr?s tout, moi je suis francophone
We may not talk in the same language after all, i am french
pepito y no comprendo, ti nono
i look stupid, i do not understand
Sorry i quit this topic, until someone reproduce it, including me !
8)
When I see one of these wheels that look overbalanced I do one simple test first. Count the number of weights on the "heavy" side of the axel and on the "light" side of the axel. In broli's wonderful sim you can see 21 weights on the light side and 19 weights on the heavy side. So while you have more distance on average from center on the heavy side you have less mass. Torque = mass x distance.
Heavy side average distance from axel = slightly longer than light side
Heavy side average mass = slightly less than light side
Light side average distance from axel = slightly less that heaby side
Light side average mass = slightly more than light side
It is balanced on both sides.
Quote from: mondrasek on July 25, 2008, 03:18:38 PM
When I see one of these wheels that look overbalanced I do one simple test first. Count the number of weights on the "heavy" side of the axel and on the "light" side of the axel. In broli's wonderful sim you can see 21 weights on the light side and 19 weights on the heavy side. So while you have more distance on average from center on the heavy side you have less mass. Torque = mass x distance.
Heavy side average distance from axel = slightly longer than light side
Heavy side average mass = slightly less than light side
Light side average distance from axel = slightly less that heaby side
Light side average mass = slightly more than light side
It is balanced on both sides.
very well, so what are you thinking of the gravito-magnetic wheel overbalance by magnets ?
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@ Drannom,
Sorry, but I didn't easily find the description/explanation (in English) of that one. Is item #28 supposed to be some kind of conductive material to disrupt the repulsive force of the magnet pairs (31 + 31')?
M.
Hallo "Drannom",
my response was not against yourself, but nor you neither other can get actually more detailed
information about the cooperation between me and Dr. Imris !
Also what I will say is that this work is not "the end of pipe" ,
the technology let get resolution for many problems !
If you are interested : from the "Neurophone"(Patrick Flanagan) as emissior , to something like an
Neuro-Matrix-Transmuter ( "passive" MRI/MRA to "aktive" MRI/MRA ).
Inside this technology the publicated thinking from inventors like :
Siegfried Stargard
Dr. Helmut Reichelt
Manfred Gregor
Klaus Rassbach
and finally : Erich Bieramperl
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: mondrasek on July 26, 2008, 06:01:31 PM
@ Drannom,
Sorry, but I didn't easily find the description/explanation (in English) of that one. Is item #28 supposed to be some kind of conductive material to disrupt the repulsive force of the magnet pairs (31 + 31')?
M.
Hello i never find explanation in french either
i understand that wheel a way that can be wrong, but all seem so simple , magnets between two metal plates (28) loose power and the spring move the magnet, when magnets leave those two metal plates they regain their force and move the spring back (compress) by the force of magnet
the stress by going out the two plates (top) in equal to the stress when they enter (6 oclock), smooth rotation
so easy that it must be ok, why some genious like Imris Pavel patented it ? not for such a joke
one day me or another will reproduce it and find out why not ?
And thank you LancalV, i respect you, and after all we have all we need to proceed, it was patent in 1995 so i imagine is free for everyone to use that wondering wheel
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@Drannom,
I think item #28 must be conductive plates to interupt the magnetic repulsion in 31 + 31' (32 + 32'). I believe the problem will be "eddy currents". A magnet moving near a conductor creates eddy currents in the conductor. The eddy currents create an opposing magnetic field in the conductor (even non-magnetic conductors like aluminum). So the item #28 is acting as a brake whenever the magnet pairs are moving.
Good video of this effect here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4eG_JhAyc
Thanks,
M.
Quote from: mondrasek on July 28, 2008, 10:03:24 AM
@Drannom,
I think item #28 must be conductive plates to interupt the magnetic repulsion in 31 + 31' (32 + 32'). I believe the problem will be "eddy currents". A magnet moving near a conductor creates eddy currents in the conductor. The eddy currents create an opposing magnetic field in the conductor (even non-magnetic conductors like aluminum). So the item #28 is acting as a brake whenever the magnet pairs are moving.
Good video of this effect here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4eG_JhAyc
Thanks,
M.
ah, your theory is possible, so it is possible that we have not all the input to fully understand it, except if the breaking effect is less than the unbalance magnets ? (and i believe so !)
the inventor may have found special composite metal to solve this breaking effect ?
here again trying it will answer it, and thank you