The tpu works by creating it's own gravitational field. The gyroscopic phenomenom SM talks about is evidence of this. The magnetic shell around the tpu is also proven by the use of his ammeter in the video. The unit overheats because there is a surplus flow of energy into the collector ring probably well over the 800 watts he is drawing. Having this in mind please contemplate ways of improving this experimental design. Please remember safety first. There has to be a way limit the amount of energy entering the ring current or it is going to overheat big time.
My first idea is to use a ring to establish the gravitational/magnetic profile necessary . THE RING AND VORTEX INITIATOR WINDING MUST BE CAGED . The cage should be made of stone so that there is a limited amount of electrons that can reach the ring. We are talking about MANIPULATING GRAVITY. A farady cage won't do squat. The cage should not even allow light in. You should only need one kicker coil and one scource of high frequency energy to drive the initiator winding since you don't have the problem of the "collector" winding being an open circuit.
I think the best shape of the stone or ceramic box is a cone.
What do you guys think would be the best way to cage the ring?
I recant my comments.
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First a preface on the title used:
firstly, SM hasn't handed over a schematic with a building manual. so it is not called "copying". Even if we were trying to "copy", humankind has a full right to this advancement; it isn't a privilege, it should be a right.
secondly, manipulating gravity isn't such a big deal. Plus nature is self correcting.
thirdly, the Faraday cage is meant as a "safety" measure for "humans"; to block out severe radiation that can immediately hurt a human. Think about the amount of RF frequencies already in the air around you right now. Unless you are thinking that a TPU will create a dimensional rift that can unexpectedly expand to physically hurt the operator, I don't know what you are complaining about.
one could imagine how cavemen felt about "fire" when it was accidentally discovered. Something that burns, destroys, and can suffocate in closed spaces? I am sure the cavemen were shitting their "pants", if u will, when trying to harness fire. I am also sure that hundreds experienced accidents initially.
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1. The energy pulled is from the quantum aether. The potential energy in a tea spoon of vacuum is enough to vaporize all the oceans on Earth. I doubt putting a stone chassis or housing will change that.
2. The gyroscopic evidence can have a few causes, gravity is only one. It is the vortex, that is causing the gyroscopic evidence. Would you classify water flowing down a funnel downward in the form of a vortex as a gravitational field?? nope. Gravity has something to do with it, but the whole form isnt a gravitational field. Vortexes can be formed in many ways. The question is what is this vortex made up of, and how does it tap into the radiant free energy.
3. I think the only way to harness the gravitational fields produced (if infact there is a gravitational field produced, I think what is produced is simply an energy vortex that is nongravitational in nature) is via force fields, either magnetic or otherwise. I know, this sounds so "star trekish." I think this is already part of the SM model. The ring structure both acts like a creator and "container" of the field or vortex created in order to extract this energy.
4. What SM has done is create a TPU in such a way that it would auto self destruct in case a runaway was about to happen. By auto self destruct, the material used would disintegrate and stop the flow. In affect, the runaway effect is dependent on the capability of the material that makes it. It basically acts like a "fuse".
When talking about the behavior of material in such conditions, the best thing to do is to do an experiment and see if you are correct. Try of stone and ceramics and see what it does. OR you can try to search academic papers to see if this type of research has already been done.
Sparks, I think you have some good points, but I think your "fear" of individuals working on this is without foundation.
Forgive my forwardness if it offends you.
devilzangel
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The TPU is a transformer, a converter, an amplifier and a receiver. It does all this using metallic material (coils and capacitors). The question is how to orientate these items to create the device. We have clues all over the place. Leedskin has shown us, SM has shown us, as well as Tesla and others. Look at their works and see what they have in common. Grumpy sees this, I see this, we need to do the work to figure out how to take this information and put together a working model/device.
There are several ways to do this and many have already done this using their own take on how to put these elements together. See the above names, and others.
I have my ideas and I am sure others have theirs as well. I am also sure we will share our ideas when we have validated them with a simple experiment or two. I am not in this for the money, I want to figure this out to know and to share, hopefully with the right people!
I see the similarities of these devices that have been published and I am beginning to understand why the info is not just given (most would not understand or find fault with the explanation!). So this means those who want to understand how to make one of these devices needs to study and see the light themselves! How the devices work do not fit into the "normal" Physics as we have been taught.
Well I will get off of my soap box for now. I am very excited to work on my ideas and see if they bear fruit or energy!
Remember nature is balance and to get energy you need to upset that balance or at least tap into it.
I take no offense at any criticism that is constructive. I constructed an experimental device that worked using 4 watts input to get 20 watts output. There was a bad match between the kicker coil and the high frequency power supply and it burnt out the supply after about 2 hours of operation.
This was enough to satisfy my curiousity as to the validity of SM's device.
I then spent many hours on this site studying the other experimental devices
in construction as well as reviewing SM's demonstration tapes. I then posted a theory as to what I believe to be the underlying dynamics in this devices operation. The next step is to support this theory with more experimentation. I also realized that if my theory is correct this device is the
greatest discovery in centuries. I am in total agreement that this knowlege belongs to all mankind. It should not be squirreled away and put on some govenments patent office back shelf for personal gain of any individual or government. Mankind does have a right to this knowlege.
I post here about inherent danger of this machine only because of the amount of power this device is able to concentrate. I advocate caution in experimentation because of this. I would ask those with a working tpu to house the tpu in such a way as to limit the amount of energy available to the tpu. A grain of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If just housing the tpu in a slate box stops the tpu operation then it proves my theory. I believe that the collection of energy should be at the poles of the magnetic field created by the ring, which could be accomplished by placement of a large capacitor plate on top of the ring near the apex of the torroidal magnetic field. The earth is a big tpu collecting hydrogen ions that are accelerated along it's magnetic railroad to the poles and emitted as a plasmic flow of hydrogen ions traveling thousands of miles into space. The interaction of these ions and the solar radiated energy causes the northern lights. But I digress.
I personally am unable to build a tpu experimental unit, my loved ones are starting to doubt my sanity. ::) I do intend to monitor and contribute to this site as much as I can. How to present this knowlege to the world I must leave in the hands of others, for I am just a smart monkey not a divine power. I do believe a SAFE, efficient, working model needs to be developed and then a demonstration of it working should be released to every newspaper, internet site, television station, radio station as can be arranged.
What do ya think and feel about all the above?
@devilsangel
The fuse is a great idea. Perhaps a solid ring with a transistor somewhere along the diameter would be a way to control the ring current.
I also believe that the gravity generator could take on the form of an oscillating electrical or pressure field. This thing is starting to look more and more like the golden box described in ancient writings found inside pyramids with current traveling between two electrodes on each end of the box. :o
yup...
Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 11:06:07 PM
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No black hole vortex, no secret frequencies, no mumbo jumbo - just the relation between the coils.
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Now, what makes the damn electrons align and move in the same direction?
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??no mumbo jumbo?? ;D ;D ;D
I wish it happened.
A really good thought posted over a very long time,
finally. Don?t go for exotics, only classic.
Wouldn?t be a magnet??? Obviously, in a simple case.
Cheers,
Kames.
yup...
I remember reading somewhere that with the right kind of metal mabey bismuth or mu it had some weird properties, anyways one shielded and one was permeable so to say and once flux saturated it had a gating effect...I may not have explained this right but it would answer the million dollar 2 metal question and how we get the transistor effect without a semiconductor soldered in the works.. Went looking for the page again and it was taken down.. Anyone have any clue what im talking about?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 03, 2007, 11:06:07 PM
No black hole vortex, no secret frequencies, no mumbo jumbo - just the relation between the coils. In the last SM video, the one with UEC on the screen - SM stated that the energy came from within the device (at the end of the video) - not from without! If it comes from within, then SM has determined what current is and how to create it or magnify it. If DC is applied to the collector - like Sauron stated, then SM is magnifying the existing current in the collector.
Now, what makes the damn electrons align and move in the same direction?
If SM says energy came from "within" the device and your rationale, for saying that this meant the actual material is the source, is only that word in relation to "without" for example, then i would beg your differ. There is space "within" the device. the source "within" the device could be virtually an insane man's quess. It could be a quantum reaction, a vortex intensifying the influx of radiant energy, or it could, juuuust maybe be a micro blackhole "within" the device. I hope you see my point. SM is only human, dont expect him to say everything he says to be exactly what he means.
QuoteNow, what makes the damn electrons align and move in the same direction?
holly universe batman, this sounds so much like "super conductivity"; electrical resistance is nil. The device induces a superconductive state at room temperature, and somehow "nudges" the flow of electrons to go in one direction very very fast.
being serious though, you may have something there. But if thats the case, the only reason the device works is because of the control circuit controlling that state. It would depend very heavily on the frequencies, the dimensions of the rings, and the composition of the material making up the coils.
still though there are many faults. i will mention one, the device does produce heat. It is as if the artificial "superconductive" state is so forced that it is constantly trying to revert back to the normal state.
two links, without going into the mathematics and technicalities .. http://www.howstuffworks.com/question610.htm .. and .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity
anyways, just some food for thought. The answer becomes obvious only after one has stumbled upon it.
devilzangel
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yup...
"Electricity is the tension arising between the two opposed unbalanced conditions seeking balance and the interchanging motion arising therefrom." Walter Russell
yup...
I wish we could get at the secret by just philosophy,Ã, then I can do it all from my office chair with little effortÃ, LOLÃ, Ã, :DÃ, Ã, (and I'm getting pretty good at it lately)
No, I'm afraid we need to WORK at it.Ã, Ã, It's called experimentation.Ã, Ã, Some of us talk from EXPERIENCE, others talk nonsense, it's up to each of us to decipher what's relevant and what's not on this forum.Ã, Ã,Â
If you don't know electronic basics, then it's even more of a daunting task for you.Ã, Ã,Â
I for one will not be building a SM TPU, but aÃ, EMdevices TPUÃ, Ã, Ã, :)
Why?Ã, Ã, Because I don't know what a SM TPU is, or how it functions?Ã, Ã, He hasn't told us stright what it is, "He" might not even be realy "He", but a wishful thinker for all we know.Ã, Ã, But has provided interesting commentary that seems to match some phenomena, but then again what do we realy know about the real TPU?
It's like seeing a UFO flashing across the sky and trying to duplicate it based on some bablings from Bob Lazar.Ã, Ã, Ha Ha HaÃ, Ã, Ã, :DÃ, Ã, Good luck on that.
But it's not all hopeless:
What I'm doing is methodicaly applying physics and trying to see where the energy might be coming from.
1)Ã, In the videos it is mentioned that energy comes from the "earths magnetic field"Ã, Ã, Ã, Think of ways to do that, is it possible?Ã, Ã, In principle, we now know where the energy comes from, or at least what it's claimed by the VSMÃ, (Video SM, or Video Steven Mark, the claimed inventor, as opposed to the MSM, which is the Mannix SM info, you know letters etc..)Ã, Ã, So I go with VSM, and pick and choose MSM quotes as they apply, sounds biased doesn't itÃ, Ã, Ã, LOLÃ, :)
2)Ã, Then there is the good old TESLA coil concepts, and if you put that in a circular fashin you might get somewhere fast, it's all about standing wave resonance.
3)Ã, Then there little known phenomena like Magnetostriciton, that checks out with the Open TPU mentioned frequency of operation
4)Ã, Then there is the principle of parametric amplification, or varing the value of an inductor that also involved in resoance with a capacitor (see JNL labs)
5)Ã, Then there is the goold old TIME.Ã, Waves take time to travel from one side of the TPU to the other, and this is the realm of relativisitic electrodynamics.Ã, Have you heard of the Russian replication of the SEARL principle?Ã, And the strange magnetic walls?Ã, Ã, And of the electromagnetic propulsion units and phase adjustments,etc.Ã, Another good area to delve into.
I could go on and on, but ultimatly, this is not about finding the TPU secret,Ã, we don't know what that is, he won't tell us, he gave his word to higher powers.Ã, So when you do have something he can come along and say, yeah, that's what I have.Ã, And I will say,Ã, "Yeah right, get lost buddy."
No, this is about having fun and learning and exploring our mysterious environment and the laws of physics.
Ok, I'm done,Ã, EM
P.S.Ã, Did you latch on to the RGB sequence?Ã, Ã, It's that kind of a mind frame you need to figure out the TPU. Good old fashin pattern recongnition, cause there's lots of patterns to try and figure out LOL :)
EM,
What is "electricity"?
What is "current"?
one has to realize that the thought comes first before experimentation. Like SM has fuzzily pointed out, only EM experts with plenty of experience and knowledge will be able to understand the "HOW" of this type of device. The WHY can be learned over time by understanding the HOW.
I have ideas of HOW, but when i try to express into words, the expression becomes muddy, mainly bc i dont have a PhD in EM to express it "precisely". I think that is a problem w/ many here.
The REASON why we should have these brainstorming sessions is because it may "jarr" an expert's way of thinking and allow them to see other, unorthodox, possibilities. Fresh ideas are always important in advancement. Anybody who has been in RD, in any field, knows this.
maybe i will make a drawing and "show and tell". ;D
devilzangel
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No on with a PhD in physics, or any engineering discipline has figured out the TPU either.
It takes a childs mind to figure out the TPU.....Ã, LOLÃ, :D
I am new here so feel free to shoot me.
I remember the leadskinin perminent magnet holder from another site. I never felt much like wasting all the wire or time to wind one so I used an electro magnetic break from a wheel chair motor to see the effect. His idea was that for the electric magnet to hold it's field and current he had to close the north and south poles of his magnet with another piece of iron plus close the windings to one another. Which in his eyes meant the current was running round in the windings for ever or until the added bar across the north and south poles were removed at which point the current was lost or that a load could be applied to the windings which also ate up the stored current. It was interesting that he said the current and or field must still be in motion in this closed arrangement while it was being stored. Hence the name perpetual motion holder.
Looking at this tpu unit on the video and not having a Phd but being of mechanical mind. I have remembered many things which have been discribed or defined which I do not completely understand except for the basic concept. Like a magnet does not run out of power when stuck to iron object (maybe one day it will after a few hundred years) that a magnet will resist being pulled away from an iron object seemingly increasing in it's attracting force.
If these are true and not just wrong observations looking at the videos and the positions of the vissable parts and external shape of the unit. Could it not be functioning simular to Ed's perminant motion holder. If the two outer rings were actually wound to have two windings oposite with the lower ring off set in reference at 45 deg and the path of the current was a closed loop in such a way that it resembles a figure 8 path switching from lower ring to upper ring then a pattern of motion which has both X and Y movement like to wheels that wobble but are set to cancel out each others individual wobble. The up and down wobble or if you like when the field changes from the lower ring to the upper ring wouldn't that be a potential field with out exhausting the current traveling the rings or teroids. It seems in my mind that would also produce a gyroscopic effect with the magnetic fields reach around the device or the space just around the device. If that wobble was at the right rate if speed it might even lock onto the earths field sort of the same way a scope latches onto a frequency. I doubt it.
Im not 100% sure but I don't think you can make a gyroscopic effect with out spinning mass. To do so with out mass may require fields rotating on two planes that intersect leaving a space between them in two locations.Between those spaces should be a place where a potential rotating field would exist no? There may also be some form of a fulcrum advantage with relation to distance traveled around the path compared to the distance of separation at the two furthest point apart.
Im still thinking about the gyro effect and what it would take to make it in a massless system. Any thoughts? Am I way off? Maybe some one has an explanation with some sort of prior experience in electronics that can explain how you can make a gyro with out spinning mass. Perhaps a gyro with several planes can be arranged to provide several differences of potential which feed into each other out side of which a much stronger field supported in N,S,N,S,N,S~ can be tapped.
If you cant picture it think of the obits around an atom. They seem pretty reliable.
Just one more thing, you can not patent something which is found to be in nature or pre-existing natural what ever.Marks only patented the control aspect not the teriod coil part. That would lead me to believe it is based on the model of an atom he just noticed a point in the pattern of spin he might be able to tap as a potential ie the control and utilization. It just had to be scaled up with junk parts. Junk is good.
Below is an attachment of an illustration of what I believe are the dynamics involved when a tpu runs. It is a cutaway view of the torriodial shaped magnetic field surrounding a functioning tpu. I am in the planning stages of building a tpu that will use a solid ring to carry the vortex current. Instead of coils wrapped around the ring I am going to sandwich the vortex ring between an open ring powered by a hf square wave power supply: and a grounded ring powered by the hf power supply. The rings will be more like open disks than rings. I will also be using a collector plate positioned above the tpu and drawing current between that and ground. I will post plans as they are formulated.