The device discussed in this thread is known as a Toroidal Power Unit, or TPU.
Various videos exist on the internet showing this device in operation.
In one of the first videos, a small TPU is pulled from a black carrying box, and in this video it is claimed that the TPU taps into the: "earth natural magnetic field, which has an inherent frequency, and we basicaly tune into that.."
We've spent some time pondering what these frequencies might be and what form they might be in. We've talked about Schumann earth resonances etc..
However, I would like to explore the gravity wave implications.
Is there a known gravity frequency?
If there is, then perhaps we can go somewhere with this. If not, it's a dead end. However, costly research seems to be in progress to detect these waves and the scientists are confident there are waves and theory predicts them.
Then I'm wondering about the link between gravity and the earths magnetism, can one be a partial cause for the other or vice versa? Is there any connection?
An interesting area of exploration:
take a look at this link, it talks about variations with day and night that can be observed with a radio receiver. http://www.signalharbor.com/pe-gravity.html (http://www.signalharbor.com/pe-gravity.html)
Also, in the DR Stiffler thread on this forum, a user showed a very interesting interaction between two AM radios and how he obtained audio modulation off his coils, just by touching them (a type of microphone)
This area of low frequency, ferrite interactions, seems to be related to the TPU.
TPUs seem to be double stacked. Have you noticed?
Why the double stack?
the small torroids may or may not be there, but the stacking seems to be everywhere in all of the designs, a common feature.
Is this some sort of a Yagi Loop Antenna, two loops influencing each other through feedback and some phase delay? Are natural magnetic fluctuations driving these two stacking rings against each other?
EM
Hi EM,
The first thing that pops into my mind when reading your message is:
South of the equator they work in reverse..........
How do you explain that with gravity being the source of the energy as opposed to the earths magnetic field?
regards,
Robert
good point Robert, gravity acts one way only, so what does "working in reverse mean anyway"?
1) does it mean the device switches polarity at the terminals?
2) does it mean the device works bottom-side-up ? (as opposed to normal top side pointing up)
One other gravitational question I have is, can these be waves that are simular to Circularly Polarized EM waves?
EM
Perhaps we all need to read up on BFO's
Maybe we need to build one of these:
http://www.shlrc.mq.edu.au/~robinson/museum/AWA_BFO.html (http://www.shlrc.mq.edu.au/~robinson/museum/AWA_BFO.html)
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 04:07:20 PM
good point Robert, gravity acts one way only, so what does "working in reverse mean anyway"?
1) does it mean the device switches polarity at the terminals?
2) does it mean the device works bottom-side-up ? (as opposed to normal top side pointing up)
One other gravitational question I have is, can these be waves that are simular to Circularly Polarized EM waves?
EM
Hi,
To be honest I don't know what it means exactly. The questions you are asking me are bugging me for a long time already. My feeling is that the field in the tpu rotates the other way. I'm not sure if it NEEDS to be made to rotate the other way or it WILL just rotate the other way because of the changed direction of the earths field lines....
If I have to answer this I would say it will spin in the other direction and therfore polarity will be switched....
So does the earths magnetic field determine the direction of rotation in the tpu???
Sorry to derail your theory so quickly, but I can't see it any other way. If I'm missing something please tell me so....
Robert
oh no, you're not derailing anything, I'm just asking questions here.
There are a million theories out there, and this is certianly not new, we talked about it here and there before.
That's what my thinking is on the "works differently or in reverse", I tend to associate that with ROTATION.
So I'm wondering, how or what is inducing the rotation? Can it be gravity waves+ something else?
Perhaps we should label this thread: Envirnomental source for the TPU, it could be gravity/magnetism,or something else we don't fully understand at the moment.
EM
P.S How do you like the title now LOL :)
can i say it again?
The only known source i have found untill now which explains this behaviour is the coriolis force.
It is caused by the earths rotation...
This force is responsible for the direction of the rotation of large cyclones: winds around the center of a cyclone rotate counterclockwise on the northern hemisphere and clockwise on the southern hemisphere.
If anybody has a better explenation, bring it on.
M.
good point Marco,
so if the mechanism for the "works in reverse" statment is Corriolis,Ã, and I agree, it's undisputable, and the only thing I can think of,Ã, then we should be able to work in reverse and and do experiments to detect when we are NORTH OF THE EQUATOR OR SOUTH.
Is there such a circuit out there?
How does the coupling occur (between the rotation and magnetic forces of our circuit)?
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 04:26:32 PM
So I'm wondering, how or what is inducing the rotation? Can it be gravity waves+ something else?
Perhaps we should label this thread: Envirnomental source for the TPU, it could be gravity/magnetism,or something else we don't fully understand at the moment.
EM
P.S How do you like the title now LOL :)
LOL yeah I like that title, sounds very intruiging :D
My guess is that the rotation is caused by the moving electrons in the collector. If a magnetic field is pointing from above (northern hemisphere) onto the collector electron deflection might occur (is this also lorentz force?) It would explain WHY the field would rotate the other way in southern hemisphere...... ::) .....the field lines are coming from below!
R.
the only answer is nature
8)
pinch nature it bites back......
ist
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
good point Marco,
How does the coupling occur (between the rotation and magnetic forces of our circuit)?
We cancel the flux and allow coriolis to start and turn the field.
It will accelerate like a hurricane....
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
Is there such a circuit out there?
There is...
good point robert, SM did say that people seem to think the magnetic field is 2D, but it's realy 3D.
What does this statment imply? My take is that most people think it has components in a horizontal plane cause that's how we hold the compas, but in actuality there is a small vertical component even around the Equator (obviously at the north pole the field lines are vertical)
Anyway,
In my first link on the variations with time of day, did you notice the frequencies? Seem like frequencies that SM used in the TPU.
I think he built a BFO admited Steven !!! LOL :)
EM
LOL :D :D :D You're killing me Marco, what in the world is that Circit you posted? LOL :)
This starts to look an awfull lot like the thread I started half a year ago about the tpu as a magnetic vortex generator........ That included the coriolis force and the rotation of the earth also.
The problem however is where do we go from here..... How to apply thisn theory to a theoretical tpu....
The pieces of the puzzle are pretty clear. Just read SM's phrases again and you will see that it must be the earths magnetic field and the use of a vortex. Just HOW do these thing fit together.... ???
R.
Take a close look :)
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
Take a close look :)
It's a tube tele.....
Marco do you mean the delection coils?
R.
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 04:50:54 PM
The problem however is where do we go from here.....
R.
We Build...Test...and see what happens.
:)
QuoteJust HOW do these thing fit together...
that's exactly what I'm wondering, let's explore it in this thread.
Marco, that looks like a TV receiver. I'm wondering though, is there a simple circuit that can detect something like a gravitational anomaly?
Like I mentioned in another thread, I visited the OREGON VORTEX, that SM mentions.
And there is a way to measure the "disturbance" that is there.
It's called an OSCILLATOR !!!!
That's right, as a simple oscillator is brought closer and closer to the center of the disturbance, the frequency changes more and more.
But there is one catch. The other receiver or specturm analyzer, has to be outside of the disturbance at a fixed place. If you move the receiver with the source you don't detect anything since both are "disturbed" by the phenomena at the same time.
So what you actualy measure is a GRADIENT, or slope in the phenomena.
Can this explain why there is the double stacking of the TPU rings?
EM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 04:56:39 PM
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 04:50:54 PM
The problem however is where do we go from here.....
R.
We Build...Test...and see what happens.
:)
OK OK.....next question WHAT exactly do we wanna build to test this theory.....
btw Marco you have made a study of the earths magnetic field a while ago. If I remeber rightly there IS a substantial vertical component in there, right?
Marco,EM do you both agree that electron deflection in the collector by the earths magnetic field COULD be the source of the FE? If I think aout it, you can also match that with a straight piece of wire. That very first example SM gave us..... an it be that as soon as you apply the voltage source to a piece of wire that the ellectrons get kicked by the earths magnetic field (deflection). But then as soon as they start to move the magnetic field around the wire is formed and the deflection is stopped. Is this maybe the kick SM is talking about ????
R.
SM tenderly holds his first TPU in his hands and states that it .... it vibrates right around 7.3 Hz
Say what?
How can you get so low?
Try a BFO
Everyone start building BFO's LOL :)
EM
Steven said he worked maily on the ctc13 chasiss.
These came out quite a bit later as the 1959-60 explosion.
He also said he used circuitry of an old model in the early days.....
Introduced in the Fall of 1956, the CTC5 Chassis was used in eleven different cabinet styles.
There were two versions of the CTC5 Chassis - The "Super" and the "Deluxe" Series.
The Super Series used color-difference demodulation - few claim seeing a decent color picture on those sets.
The Deluxe Series used X and Z wide-band demodulation producing a superior color picture. RCA also introduced its first under $500 Color Television in a "Special" Model, named the "Aldrich" (it used the Super series chassis).
The sets are known for their problems of brittle printed circuit boards (with reliability problems) and potentiometer adjusted d.c. static convergence (which drifts with line voltage).
The CTC7 color receivers were introduced in the Fall of 1957, at the beginning of a U.S. recession that would slow even further the sales of color receivers.
The CTC7 Receivers were named the "Mark" Series and used narrow-band X and Z demodulation.
there must have been many unsold CTC5 sets, as the brochures for the first year of the CTC7 always show the full CTC5 line. The CTC7 line was represented as the luxury "Mark Series", available in addition to the Special and Deluxe CTC5 sets.
Etc...etc..
If we look at the used tubes in the models and we compare it to what we know about which tubes Steven used and where he got the idea from....one will fit best.
It's not that i am planning to rebuild that circuit (maybe some of it :) ), i am just going to study it.
M.
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 05:00:00 PM
Can this explain why there is the double stacking of the TPU rings?
EM
Could be...... I have always thought it is because to form a proper vortex you need counter rotating fields. So one ring rotates clockwise and the other ccw..... This vortex then sets up a downward pointing magnetic field over the collector which cause strong electron deflection in the collector. God I'm rambling on now...... Because a magnetic field only has a limited pentration depth LITZ wire or starnded wire might work alot better.....
R.
QuoteMarco,EM do you both agree that electron deflection in the collector by the earths magnetic field COULD be the source of the FE?
yeah, I sort of endorse that theory as well. I did see a video online where a physics professor moves a loop of wire in the air and a galvanometer needle deflects. The mag field of the earth is weak very weak.
However, this concept needs vibration, and there is vibration in the SM TPU's so I haven't abondoned this concept.
so many things to experiment with.....
EM
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 05:05:27 PM
btw Marco you have made a study of the earths magnetic field a while ago. If I remeber rightly there IS a substantial vertical component in there, right?
R.
Yes that is correct.
You need a vertical compass to measure that.
I also read something about two gyro's on the same axis cancelling out, but not all, it had to do something with 90 degree and where you would disturb it on the axis (the distance between).
M.
Marco, that's interesting they named it the "MARK" series. Maybe Steven Mark worked for them and he invented something important so they named it in his honor.
SM mentions noticing the interesting interaction between the transformers.
That's the same concept of BFO, or Beat Frequency Oscillator
Interaction.....
EM
It isnt his real name...
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Dearest Lindsay,
I forgot to answer one of your basic questions. I asked my security guy and he told me what I can relate to you.
My name is absolutely not:
STEVEN MARKS.
my last name is not, MARKS, MARX, MARCS or any known derivative of that.
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Now why would he call himself this?
Pherhaps the exploding cicuitry belongd to the mark series ::)
M.
So do we have to delibarately create a vortex or once the electron starts moving (and the magnetic field is cancelled) it creates its own vortex which gets stronger and stronger. (Runaway potential?)
R.
id bet is the second one (vortex is created by the external source).
Runaway.
M.
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:25:47 PM
It isnt his real name...
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Dearest Lindsay,
I forgot to answer one of your basic questions. I asked my security guy and he told me what I can relate to you.
My name is absolutely not:
STEVEN MARKS.
my last name is not, MARKS, MARX, MARCS or any known derivative of that.
---------------------------------------------
Now why would he call himself this?
Pherhaps the exploding cicuitry belongd to the mark series ::)
M.
His last name is just MARK ( and not MARKS, MARX or MARCS....) and it has nothing todo with the MARK series teles. MARK series are used in other products aswell and mean nothing else then being a LANDMARK achievement. Like a big step in development. Pure coincidence!!
R.
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
id bet is the second one (vortex is created by the external source).
Runaway.
M.
OK, so if that is true, then what is the role of the three harmonic frequencies in the tpu? Are they maybe there to cancel the flux around the collector??? Have we always been looking in the wrong direction???
R.
Boys, look no farther then a, BFO
EM
P.S.Ã, A bird wispered in my earÃ, LOLÃ, :)Ã,Â
Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, "...Don't ask any questions, just build....I can't show you everything..."
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I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
As my memory tells me, I originally used three old tube type frequency generators coupled to tube amplifiers composed of a 12BY7- input tube and a driver coupled to a 6AS7G output tube. It was using this apparatus that enabled me to first strike those magical tones.
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Guess what is driving that tv tube......
It isn't hard to find..... just look.
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
id bet is the second one (vortex is created by the external source).
Runaway.
M.
OK, so if that is true, then what is the role of the three harmonic frequencies in the tpu? Are they maybe there to cancel the flux around the collector??? Have we always been looking in the wrong direction???
R.
We? i have always been thinking these frequency's were to cancel the flux...what else would they be for?
and i do not believe his real name is Steven MARK too.
M.
One thing is certain, you need to DRIVE the device to hit the CORD.
The 10 Million dollar question: What CORD?
EM
solid state circuits make odd harmonics, tubes are diffrent, even order....
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P-P always has to divide audio into two deliveries and cross through the transformer core to alternately remagnetize at waveform zero. This is notch distortion and can only be reduced by feedback (except for unity coupling). Feedback is frequently used to improve performance but this is like driving a car with the gas to the floor and controlling the speed with the brake. Now to add salt to the wounds, P-P will cancel even order harmonics but will add or emphasize the odd order. To illustrate this, one experiment that still intrigues me is when we took two audio frequencies and mixed them to one waveform which measured as 80% distortion. It then passed through a very good quality commercial P-P amp where the output waveform measured about 50% hmm! But when we then passed it through a SET amp and its output measured 80% just like the original. What Happened to the other 30% within the P-P amp? It appears that there are occasions that some audio signal complexities may also cancel or change structure from the original as well as the P-P tube transfer characteristics on even order harmonics.
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M.
Quote
My dear friend,
It is possible to get results using transistors because after all, the patented control units owned by UEC are solid state. But, remember it took a long time and a lot of money to design them. It should be a lot easer to use tubes to strike the right cord and develop the right sound to make the best sound.
Sometimes the three channels combine together to create the most magnificent sound you could imagine.
A whole new sound stage opens up and suddenly you are transformed to someplace else.
I blatantly admitted that we knew how to make the music but had no idea how the violin worked.
Chord:
The word chord comes from cord which is a Middle English shortening of accord.
In music and music theory a chord (from Greek gut, string) is three or more different notes that sound simultaneously.
Most often, in European-influenced music, chords are tertian sonorities that can be constructed as stacks of thirds relative to some underlying scale.
Chords are commonly played in sequence, much as notes are played in sequence to form melodies.
Goldman (1965, p.26) elaborates: "the sense of harmonic relation, change, or effect depends on speed (or tempo) as well as on the relative duration of single notes or triadic units.
Both absolute time (measurable length and speed) and relative time (proportion and division) must at all times be taken into account in harmonic thinking or analysis."
In music, a consonance (Latin consonare, "sounding together") is a harmony, chord, or interval considered stable, as opposed to a dissonance, which is considered unstable.
Pure tone:
A pure tone is a single frequency tone with no harmonic content (no overtones).
This corresponds to a sine wave. It is characterized by the frequency ? the number of cycles per second, the wavelength ? the distance the waveform travels through its medium within a period, and the amplitude ? the size of the cycles.
M.
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
id bet is the second one (vortex is created by the external source).
Runaway.
M.
OK, so if that is true, then what is the role of the three harmonic frequencies in the tpu? Are they maybe there to cancel the flux around the collector??? Have we always been looking in the wrong direction???
R.
We? i have always been thinking these frequency's were to cancel the flux...what else would they be for?
and i do not believe his real name is Steven MARK too.
M.
To CREATE a rotating field? That is how I always saw it....
R.
Isn't the output of the TPU "DC with some hash"?
What will DC in the collector at, oh say 150 V and 1 amp going to do the the compass - make it point vertical - it won't be able to rotate.
Remember SM's comment about when the compass "stops" the unit is operating at design maximum?
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 05:32:55 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 05:28:24 PM
id bet is the second one (vortex is created by the external source).
Runaway.
M.
OK, so if that is true, then what is the role of the three harmonic frequencies in the tpu? Are they maybe there to cancel the flux around the collector??? Have we always been looking in the wrong direction???
R.
We? i have always been thinking these frequency's were to cancel the flux...what else would they be for?
and i do not believe his real name is Steven MARK too.
M.
To CREATE a rotating field? That is how I always saw it....
R.
an accellerating field with fixed values has never made any sense to me....
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
an accellerating field with fixed values has never made any sense to me....
Good point !! So it sets up a magnetic field that counteracts the field creted by the dc in the collector?
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
an accellerating field with fixed values has never made any sense to me....
Good point !! So it sets up a magnetic field that counteracts the field creted by the dc in the collector?
i do not understand what you mean.
maybe you mean this?
by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
M.
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 06:15:26 PM
Quote from: dutchy1966 on December 10, 2007, 06:07:27 PM
Quote from: -[marco]- on December 10, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
an accellerating field with fixed values has never made any sense to me....
Good point !! So it sets up a magnetic field that counteracts the field creted by the dc in the collector?
i do not understand what you mean.
maybe you mean this?
by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.
M.
The DC current in the collector (the output) creates a magnetic field around the collector. This field needs to be cancelled else electron deflection in the collector can no longer occur..... So the three harmonic frequencies crete a magnetic field opposite to that of the collector. Like thw tpu monitors the magnetic field around the collector and dynamically cancels it....
Assuming the TPU is using the earths magnetic field.. the earths magnetic field has to have a frequency, otherwise you could just use stronger permanent magnets.. correct??
4Tesla
Earth's magnetic field and Color Televisions?
Interesting Patent dealing with "shadow mask", earth's magnetic field bending electron beams, magnetic shielding and "...involves the placing of magnets on the outside of the tube......."
COMPENSATOR FOR EARTH S MAGNETIC FIELD BY COLOR DOT DISPLACEMENT
http://www.google.com/patents?id=SzlpAAAAEBAJ&printsec=drawing&zoom=4&dq=equator+color+television+magnetic+shadow#PPA3,M1
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Another interesting patent with toroids and coils:
(WO/1995/030906) MAGNETIC FIELD CANCELLING SYSTEM
(click on "View", then select the Pages on the top left to see the Drawings, and pages.)
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=WO1995030906&DISPLAY=DOCS
What you are seeing in the attached image was a test for high speed rotating field. The tpu was specifically designed for it by trying different number of coil turns to satisfy a wide range of frequencies. I tested it with frequencies from 100Hz and up to 12KHz. The phase difference was kept at 90 degrees (and equal amplitude) at all the time with an adjustable pre-amp designed for variable phase shift. The phase difference was measured by using Lissajous figures against the current (not voltage). The entire tpu was powered from the 300W stereo (two channel) audio amplifier. The output was kept at the level of not compromising the quality of the sine signal. A compass placed inside was rotating up to about 1KHz (as long as I remember) input. After that it was stopping because it couldn?t follow the field because of the inertia. At the same time, a copper frame suspended on a thin thread and placed inside the coil was rotating at all the frequencies.
Just a thought.
Kames.
Hi Kames,
I was going to run a very similar experiment, but since you seem to have beat me to it, I have a quick question:
Have you tried adding a vertical magnetic field, to see if you can form an electromagnetic vortex?
Maybe even try injecting some ions with a high voltage electric field?
Then put the collectors in their familiar orientation, but outside the device and see if any DC current will appear.
Just some thoughts. ;)
Eldarion
So why not use permanent magnets? Why does it have to be natural?
4Tesla
Quote from: Chef on December 10, 2007, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: 4Tesla on December 10, 2007, 07:32:20 PM
Assuming the TPU is using the earths magnetic field.. the earths magnetic field has to have a frequency, otherwise you could just use stronger permanent magnets.. correct??
4Tesla
TPU has nothing to do with earths magnetic field frequency. It just use the field as a TRACK, to go somewhere else, where the electrons can feel more "freely"....
But without the "natural" field it will not work.
Frequency and the right CORD depend only on TPU size.
Quote from: eldarion on December 10, 2007, 11:59:10 PM
Hi Kames,
I was going to run a very similar experiment, but since you seem to have beat me to it, I have a quick question:
Have you tried adding a vertical magnetic field, to see if you can form an electromagnetic vortex?
Maybe even try injecting some ions with a high voltage electric field?
Then put the collectors in their familiar orientation, but outside the device and see if any DC current will appear.
Just some thoughts. ;)
Eldarion
Hi Eldarion,
What I tried with this tpu is powering a horizontal/collector coil in different configurations with DC bias and without it. I have also tried to use a vertical magnetic field applied to it using a number of magnets sealed together. I have tried to use a copper loop as a sensor to check the field density outside the tpu. I have tried all possible configurations I could only imagine. Unfortunately, the result was zero. Any signal I saw was attributed to ?noise?. I did keep in mind a vortex but I didn?t try any high voltage.
The initial test wasn?t about a compass rotation at all. The idea was taken from plasma reactors where the electrons start rotating under the influence of the rotating field. Generally, in plasma, under the high speed rotating field the electrons rotation takes precedence because of the lower mass. As a result the entire rotation becomes electron rotation rather than other type of charged particles and produces DC current as a primary. The effect starts at about a few KHz and reaches its max at about 30 KHz. I have gone through a number of articles about plasma fusion reactors before I build this tpu. That was the main purpose of it. However, it appears, that the presence of plasma is a must. Nothing significant happens without it.
What you are saying might be a good idea ;). I don?t see how it is related to the SM?s tpu, but I would say, you never know. I guess, you can try to apply a high voltage capacitor plates (just be careful) at the top and bottom of such a tpu and see what happens. Make holes in the center in both of them for the ions to be sucked in. I didn?t do that, so that I don?t know what to say. You can try to use a car ignition coil and a self-made capacitor with some diodes connected in series for it. I used such a setup for testing a unidirectional spark discharge with some very interesting results, like Tesla was describing. I didn?t guess to test it with high voltage capacitor creating an ion flow with this tpu :-\ Might be a good idea indeed. I still keep all of my tpus ?safe and sound?. :D You never know. My fault :'(
I am attaching two pictures showing an assembly of this tpu. It might help you to make it more solid.
Cheers,
Kames.
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
Boys, look no farther then a, BFO
EM
P.S. A bird wispered in my ear LOL :)
Don't ask any questions, just build. I can't show you everything.
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Interesting line of reasoning in this topic, EM. Thanks for running it up the flagpole. You might be onto something, or at the very least caused some of us here to look at this old project with fresh eyes. You may have even flushed the right little bird out of hiding. I wonder what else this little bird knows.
If I were to build this, without asking any questions, then I would make the following assumptions from the image above: The thick black hoops will be made of iron, or aluminum, wire. F1 and F2 will be fed to these hoops. The green and blue windings will be fine stranded speaker wire, wrapped in opposite directions on each hoop. I suppose that a good place to start testing would be with constructing six inch hoops driving sine waves at F1=5kHz and F2=5,007.8Hz.
@kames
Wow.. those TPUs are very nicely built! Do you have a machine to wind these?
4Tesla
Quote from: EMdevices on December 10, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
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However, I would like to explore the gravity wave implications.
.....
Is there a known gravity frequency?
@EMDevices
Actually there are two differing forms of "gravity waves" postulated in theory, that physicists and astronomers are trying to verify as fact.
At the atomic level, there is the postulated "graviton", which till this day still eludes those physicists trying to prove it's existence. The "graviton" is supposedly the base source of all gravitational "effects" and like light, is theorised to have a vibrational frequency range, in spite of apparently having no mass of it's own. The frequency of this postulated "graviton" is very high. Way Way Beyond Terrahertz!
At the Galaxy level, large binary star systems have been studied in great detail and indicate that the postulation of "astronomical gravity waves" caused by two or more very large bodys orbiting each other may be correct.
A ripple effect in space-time is thought to emanate from the common orbit path about the centre of gravity these giants share. Just like ripples in a pond of water emanating from two ducks swimming in a circle, "waves in the space-time medium" would emanate from the wake of these great gravitational giants.
Astronomers have gathered plenty of data concerning the possible existence of these waves through space. The frequency of these types of astronomical gravity waves, like everything else in nature is determined by the actual mass, orbit diameter, and orbital velocity of the great stars involved.
This is not the only way however for astronomical gravity waves to occur. It is broadly accepted that when stars turn supernova and explode, gravity ripples are projected out into the universe at the speed of light. The frequency of these explosions is now estimated by astronomers to be approximately 1 supernova per second in the observable universe. That is 1 Hertz.
Of particular interest to me, in these last types of waves, is the fact, that supernova also emit incredibly intense magnetic pulses of galactic proportions!
Cheers from the Toad who Hops........KneeDeep :)
kames,Ã, nice work.Ã, I guess you found out the hard way !!!Ã, Ã, Ã, :)
All, the polyphase AC systems don't work, as you can ask Molina himself !!!
Polyphase AC systems use the SAME frequencyÃ, for the phases (with phase differences between them),
TPU uses DIFFERENT frequencies as SM said.
Make sure you get this point, or you'll be looking in the wrong place.
Here's something to stimulate your mind.Ã, Where does the energy come from?Ã, Ã, I'm putting in two high frequency signals, not a low frequency one, hmmmmmmm?Ã, I wonder??Ã, hmmmÃ, Ã, Ã, "...I became interested in the interactions in the transformer..."Ã, We need to design the right transformer.
EM
P.S.Ã, Ã, Here's another nugget for you, look up Beat Frequency Metal Detectors and SEARCH coils. ;)
Quote from: EMdevices on December 11, 2007, 09:38:58 AM
P.S. Here's another nugget for you, look up Beat Frequency Metal Detectors and SEARCH coils...
Only one Google hit:
http://www.placer-gold-mining-in-bc.org/prospectors-corner.htm (http://www.placer-gold-mining-in-bc.org/prospectors-corner.htm)"One of the most popular types currently used is the
Very Low Frequency detector . They put out a
vibrating magnetic field that is influenced by
any conductive metals that come within that field. The circuitry of the detector turns that influence into an audio or visual signal to let the operator know what is buried below the search coil. The depth and size of gold particles is limited by the strength and frequency of
the magnetic field put out by the detector?s search coil. In the hands of a skilled operator ?black sand? deposit streaks, which may contain gold particles, can be located as well as non-ferrous metal particles like gold. These detectors have been
developed from the first beat frequency metal detectors invented during WW II to find land mines."
Quote from: 4Tesla on December 11, 2007, 03:25:35 AM
@kames
Wow.. those TPUs are very nicely built! Do you have a machine to wind these?
4Tesla
Hi 4Tesla,
No machines. Everything is by hand ;D It took me about 7 hours to build it. That is a very old tpu. I am not working with this design anymore. I just keep it in case if I get something really new about rotating fields. I have another tpu that looks like that one but the windings are made the same way as in Tesla rotating egg experiment. Unfortunately, the result with that configuration also didn?t show anything unusual.
Cheers,
Kames.
that slege dude "magnet shadow stuff" he's second patent was somekind metal detector with loops
two for price for one? kick and kicks back?
iron and steel ???
but i think tpu is moder small version of this http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tmt.htm
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I am getting an intermittent ~2Hz "ring-ring-ring-ring" at various frequencies. 8)
The AC output of the red speaker wire is only a fraction of the voltage put into the hoops. :-\
Test setup:
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I made a video. I made a few. I can not hear the ringing in the videos. Download short Quicktime video here. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7.0;attach=15293)
QuoteFrequency and the right CORD depend only on TPU size.
Partialy right.Ã, Ã, Not entirely correct.
What is the Cord?Ã, Ã, What is the pure frequency we are tunning into?
How can we find it?
It's obvious to the casual observer :)Ã, that if the unit VIBRATES, there is frequency #1
What about frequency #2Ã, ?
Well, you use the heterodyne principle and tune your BFO,Ã, to a frequency so you get a desired third frequency.
Now we have two unknowns,Ã, Freq #2Ã, and Freq #3, but they have a relationship between them:Ã, Ã, F3Ã, =Ã, F1 - F2Ã, (useing low-side injection, or F2 < F1)
So let's take a wild guess here for F3,Ã, how about what Steven says in the videos:Ã, Ã, "... this unit vibrates right around 7.3 Hz..."Ã, Ã, Ã, LOLÃ, :)
Summary:Frequency #1:Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Resonant frequency of the rings (based on PHYSICAL vibration due toÃ, magnetostriciton)
Frequency #2:Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, F1 - 7.3Hz
Frequency #3:Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, 7.3 Hz
How do you like that?
ofcourse we can choose another signal to tune into, or a harmonic of the 7.3 hz, or even your local 60 Hz power gridÃ, Ã, LOLÃ, Ã, :)
EM
P.S. Well done Rosphere, Ring-Ring-Ring !!! Just like in the video.
All, here's a tid bit from wikipedia:
"...The first superheterodyne circuits used the self-resonance of iron-cored interstage coupling transformers to filter the intermediate frequency, and this is why the Intermediate Frequency tuned circuits were still referred to as IF "transformers", long after they had been replaced by proper tunable coils...."
has anybody used the SELF-RESONANCE of IRON-CORED INTERSTAGE COUPLING TRANSFORMERS laterly? LOL :)
EMdevices
Chef,Ã, I don't know the "big" big secret.Ã, What is it?Ã, Ã, We observe nature and what it does, and scientists have been observing nature for some time now and have developed ways to understand it and predict and design and use it's phenomena.
Even Steven DID NOT KNOW WHY IT WORKED,Ã, but he most surely knew HOW TO DESIGN IT. (after some practice)
If you design something, you can say you KNOW how it works, but the word "KNOW"Ã, can have so many meanings and different levels of detail.
I know how radios and compases work, but do I realy know why they work?Ã, Ã, What's a magnetic field at a deep level?Ã, Ã, A strain, a bend, in space-time ?Ã, A gyroscopic particle?Ã, Ã, A "remote" controled signal path that tells "atoms" to veer a certain way when at a particular location?Ã, Ã, Rays of magnetic "bubles" or buble gum?Ã, Tiny aliens flapping their wings?
We can create a million theories on observed facts, what we need is to simplify, but not over simplify.Ã, If your theory helps you design and predict, it's an excelent theory. that's the best we can require of a theory, that it does something useful for us, that it helps us clasify behavior and "understand" it in some way. Maybe even remember it easier.
EMdevices
P.S. and by the way those are retorical questionsÃ, LOLÃ, :)
The Master said:
...It is very possible to generate electric power from the earth's magnetic field. Think about the fact that in just one revolution, the Earth generates enough electric power to supply North America with all it needs for over 100 years! All we have to do is tap into that energy and all our energy wishes come true....
...Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so. ....
...If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space...
...How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large useable amounts of power....
...My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. ....
Chef, I included a few "verses" from his messeges in the posting above. Do you see what he is saying. Interesting isn't it? If you are trained in the ELECTRONIC arts, you will know what he is talking about.
EM
QuoteAnyway: the secret is, WHY the KICK occur in any simple conductor,when first energized.
From my experiments, and I have tried this very setup,Ã, the wires move because of the LORENTZ forces ofÃ, F = q (v x B), orÃ, for wiresÃ, F = IÃ, dl x B, or something like that. The 'B' is the magnetic field of the earth, even though it is week, it can move a wire that is carring 100 Amps or maybe even less.Ã, When you first connect a voltage source to a wire, a high level of current rushes onto the wire, and travels at the TRANSMISSION LINE VELOCITY.Ã, There is a CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE of the line as well, and that's when the most current flowes until it "sloshes" back and forth on the wire, reflecting from the load and back to voltage source and back out according to the REFLECTION COEFFICIENT at both ends, untill eventualy it settles down into a steady state DC current.
Anyway, if you know about transmission line theory, you will realize that's when you get the most current before it settles down to it's steady state value.
HOWEVER,Ã, don't miss this point,Ã, THESE CONCEPTS WERE A STARTING POINT FOR HIM.Ã, He went on to learn and perfect.Ã, What does tunning a radio like device have to do with an inrush of current?Ã, Ã, He learned along the way, he had a concept develop in his mind and pursued it.Ã, It is not just as simple as a kick.Ã, That was more a "KICK" in the pants to get him pursuing free energy out of the magnetic field of the earth.Ã, LOLÃ, :)
EM
:P
EM:
Can you tell me the freqs you used to make the traveling wave sim you did? I want to try something with this. Two more twelves and then four days off to play. Thats the one where you did two but said you wouldn't be doing three.
thaelin
Quote from: EMdevices on December 14, 2007, 05:22:39 PM
When you first connect a voltage source to a wire, a high level of current rushes onto the wire, and travels at the TRANSMISSION LINE VELOCITY. There is a CHARACTERISTIC IMPEDANCE of the line as well, and that's when the most current flowes until it "sloshes" back and forth on the wire, reflecting from the load and back to voltage source and back out according to the REFLECTION COEFFICIENT at both ends, untill eventualy it settles down into a steady state DC current.
Anyway, if you know about transmission line theory, you will realize that's when you get the most current before it settles down to it's steady state value.
EM
EM, Not quite right mate.
The steady-state current depends entirely on the value of the terminating resistor (or load), if there is one.
Initial current is determined strictly by the characteristic impedance of the TL. This is the impedance the source sees when the switch is thrown, and the current is set by the source voltage over the Zo of the line, regardless whether the TL termination is an open or a short, or anywhere in between.
In other words, if the TL load is higher than its Zo, then the initial current will be higher than the steady state one. If the load is lower than the Zo, the initial current will be lower than the steady state current.
So you see we can't make blanket statements that the initial current from the source driving a transmission line is always
highest at the moment of switch contact.
You may already be aware of my theory on the dynamics of the tpu operation.
What I need to experiment with is my postulation that by ordering or concentrating energy in a given field there is an increase in gravitational attraction of less ordered energy. My line of logic started after investigating the unipolar generator. This device sets up an electrical potential between the outer diameter of a copper rotor and the slower rotating inner diameter or axle of the rotor. This phenomenon only happens when magnetic lines of force are running perpendicular to the rotor rotation. The magnetic lines of force cause the electrons in the outer diameter of the rotor to align inside the magnetic field passing through the rotor. Now we have an orderly circulation of electrons in the outside diameter moving at whatever speed the rotor is driven at. This mechanical circulation of ordered energy starts to resemble the electronic circulation inside the tpu collector windings. The trillion dollar question is why do the electrons migrate from the inner axle (less energetic) to the outside diameter of the copper rotor (most energetic) through a brush contacting the outer diameter, through and external load, and back to the axle. What force is at work moving the electrons from the axle to the brush within the rotor? I believe that it is a universal force we call gravity. Gravitational influence is affected by how orderly energy is not just by how much energy there is in a given state. I don't know if this theory has been advanced before because my study of the physical world is not conventional. I never took a conventional physics course. Maybe a reader knows if this theory has ever been advanced before?
Good points Darren, especialy the open vs closed end.Ã, It doesn't matter what's at that end in the initial time when the information (voltag and current) havent' reached the end, but in steady state it surely matters.
@sparks
Quote...The trillion dollar question is why do the electrons migrate from the inner axle (less energetic)Ã, to the outside diameter of the copper rotor (most energetic) through a brush contacting the outer diameter, through and external load, and back to the axle.Ã, What force is at work moving the electrons from the axle to the brush within the rotor?..
it's the Lorentz electromotive force due to motion of a conductor through a magnetic field (F = q v x B).Ã, Ã, At least that's how it's explained.Ã, Ã, And when the magnet is fixed to the disc and rotating, it's still the same thing.Ã, Ã, Ã, Ã, Magnetic fields seem to be attached to space when spun in axialy symetric ways, so they don't realy rotate.Ã, Ã, That's my take on it, and I heard the other more exotic explanations from the Indian guy what ever his name was.
EM
I studied the Lorenz principle and how it was applicable to the Unipolar generator and really didn't
see how it worked, especially when the magnets were part of the rotor. I did note however that the electrons would be forced to align themselves with the permeating magnetic field due to the bipolar moments of electrons in the rotor, reacting with the magnetic field. This ordering of the electrons and the mechanical rotation of the whole rotor results in a substantial energy imbalance between the axle and the outer diameter of the rotor. The magnetic field doesn't allow the energy from balancing itself within the spinning rotor (unlike when the magnets aren't present). When an external circuit is constructed outside the influence of the magnetic field, (between the rotor axle and the rotor outside diameter) the energy flows. The attraction of energy by the outer part of the rotor is stronger than the ability of the magnetic field to contain the lower order of energy in the axle and id area of the rotor, Again I will state what I believe is the force at work here and in the tpu: The More Ordered Energy Becomes The More Energy it will Attract. I don't know if this is a new law of physics or not. I'll just refer to it as Sparkonian physics for now unless someone else has come up with this before. I am working on a web page about sparkonian physics which will use illustrations of the sparkonian law of physics.
Doesn't the edge of the rotor move faster than the axle?
Also, don't electrons move according to a potential?
Quote from: Grumpy on December 16, 2007, 11:23:31 PM
Doesn't the edge of the rotor move faster than the axle?
Also, don't electrons move according to a potential?
The electrons move from the edge through the load and then to the axle. What is interesting here is what completes the flow from the axle to the outer edge. The electrons near the outside diameter have more energy. They are moving faster than the electrons in the axle. Yet the current flows from the lower state of energy through the plate to the higher state and it does it independent of the input power. I believe what we call positive electrical potential (protonic charge) is just an energy state where there exists more concentrated quonta. The proton of the atomic neucleus has much more energy in a more organized state therefore exhibits a gravitational field which entraps the electrons. Positive and negative electrical charges are just another expression of gravitational influence between systems of energy. The energy concentrated in the outer diameter of the rotor exhibits gravitational influence over the electrons entering the system at the axle because it is a more concentrated and ordered an energy system than the electrons goofing around inside the axle.
The positive gravity is enough to drag electrons through magnetic lines of force. I believe the same thing happens on the i.d. of the tpu. + gravity in the collector circuit is created by electronic circulation within the collector windings. The attractive principle causes the energy in the inside diameter of the tpu to first bend the magnetic lines around it then pop through these lines as it is attracted by the + gravity created by the electron flow in the o.d. of the collector windings. It enters the energetic orbital flow inside the collector windings and strenghthens both the + gravity and the magnetic field size. I guess what I am trying to say is that gravity and electrical potential is the same thing. It all has to do with how much energy is trapped in an area defined by a magnetic structuring. Magnetism is what happens when vectored or black energy meets round or vortex energy. Neither energy form able to convert into one another so they change their behaviours in reaction to each other. Magnetism is an influence arising from the ordering of vectored energy while gravity is an influence arising from the ordering of vortex energy. The universe itself just the dance these two forms of energy happen to be doing.
@ Sparks
"The More Ordered Energy Becomes The More Energy it will Attract. I don't know if this is a new law of physics or not. I'll just refer to it as Sparkonian physics for now unless someone else has come up with this before. I am working on a web page about sparkonian physics which will use illustrations of the sparkonian law of physics. "
You hit the nail on the head man.... I propose Calling it the LAW OF ORDER
Alright Great example of order .... take your finger in a bucket of water start moving it in a circle... if you do it right and around the same imaginary circle each time a vortex forms swirling the water around on its own.. if you move your finger in an erratic pattern not that of the original circle you brought it in it is much harder to get a vortex in water..
Just try it... If anything is right ... It is "The law of order"... ha not law and order Grin
Tesla states quite clearly that when synchronous discharge happens the voltage levels in the secondary coil rises exponentially meaning if it was done asynchronous or not pulsed a a set interval it would not work half as good or show any real results... Just like my water example .. I mean no one wants to listen to a musician who cant keep time .
So my conclusion is that "If Energy is provided symmetrically at a given and repeated interval, additional energy can be gained in a system-Ordered Energy". These are my words and they seem to fit as crazy at that sounds. This touches on two interesting area's.. how energy becomes ordered or is given order, and the law of attraction so now ... going out on a limb could one say" A set of equations and ratios might be derived to directly correlate ordered energy needed to give favorable conditions for law of attraction energy gains". Some musicians who keep time very well are a band called Tower of Power...In your face funk
Joe
@localjoe
I think that this "law of order" was used in an ancient device legends speak of. It was a golden box with two electrodes coming from the box. It is illustrated in egyptian heirogliphics. The electrodes look like telephone poles and it has wires looped from electrode to electrode. There are legends about a spark traveling from electrode to electrode. I believe this was an Energy collector that works on the AP (attractive principle). The current traversing the electrode spark gaps or conductors would initiate a magnetic cylinder around it. If this magnetic shell was large enough to pass through the golden box, it would act to guide ambient energy, trying to get to the driver current/spark, into the walls of the box. If each of the opposing walls of the box were insulated from each other and connected to an electrode, then we have an energy sink developed. As the magnetic field increased ,due to self construction, it would go by the collector walls of the golden box. At this point, energy would no longer enter the golden collector walls of the box and the unit would start to regulate itself. All that need to be done was hook-up wires to the collector plates of the box and run it out to an external load. Of course like SM's tpu and my new design tpu there needs to be an initiator circuit of some sort to get the attractor current going. It could have been some sort of battery inside the box and switch gear. I am going to do an illustration of it and post it on my website. Hope someone reads this and weighs in on this subject. It is a real foggy memory about a show I saw that described the golden box and spark. Supposedly it was running, and anyone who tried to touch it got their ass knocked across the floor. Immediately the "highly civilized" Egyptians of the era decided the box was there to send their King to wherever they figured out was the best place to send a deadman. ;D (Sorry I can't help but laugh at some of the shit people do to get to "heaven") Anyway I'm going to work on the illustration. This would be the third power sink that uses the law of order that I can think of. I like the golden box because it is selfregulating, whereas the tpu has the ability to runaway. The unipolar generator doesn't even compete, just a device to be studied.