Hi all,
this 41 year old gentlemen has 44 videos on youtube and not much views. He seems to be using a perforated plate system :-\ hard to believe he is getting such good result ??? have a look 8)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXcHVARtNg
Also an other 44 year old gentlemen has 5 video on disassociating water with a plasma spark. He is currently working on a Plasma water splitting injector. I have contacted him to see if he would like to share his findings and here is his reply;
"There are some issues with the process I am currently working on which relate to safety and a need for more understanding of the process involved. I am working through those issues so I can present something that I would be happy for people to play with.
Regards ChrisPCrunchy."
So guys and girls, please give him some time to do more tests by not asking him more questions. He also seems to have a new baby.
Here is the link to his Plasma water splitting injector: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YYNkBKJPK4I&feature=related
Quote from: gotoluc on December 11, 2007, 06:32:29 PM
Hi all,
this 41 year old gentlemen has 44 videos on youtube and not much views. He seems to be using a perforated plate system :-\ hard to believe he is getting such good result ??? have a look 8)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXcHVARtNg
Video is remuved by the user !
GP
We all know you did it first "mramos", we have been told many times.
Yes I was teaching the replication of my specific Cell. The thread was a replication not a debate about running your car purely on HHO or which Cell works better.It was a Replication Thread, I believed it can be done as an opinion as far a pure on demand HHO goes.
Do a goggle search on SGiHunter and take note the effect it has had on the HHO community. I am doing my part. The rest I can not show you because of your bad attitude.
Now we see Cells that are increasing gas millage up to 60% with many people working together in this field.
I dont even have to be here and I am slandered
"an IronHead!" "you challenged me" , No you disrupted my thread and my goal of others replicating my Cell.
I have asked for nothing from you or anyone else! So stop bashing the HHO community because they are not showing the results you require when you can not even show any proof that you even worked in this field. And then you go an tell everyone you did it first no matter what HHO system pops up, you did it all years ago.
Thank you
The IronHead!
Quote from: IronHead on December 11, 2007, 10:54:23 PM
We all know you did it first "mramos", we have been told many times.
Did "what" first? Damn! I must have missed it. Did it make CNN? YouTube? BSorNOT.com?
IronHead's thread on this forum was going strong despite the debates and remarks. It is stronger than ever on a different forum - without the distractions - many, many HHO experimenters building cells - and growing.
Quote from: mramos on December 11, 2007, 10:29:55 PM
...something I personally have done a few times years ago and it will NOT run a car. Or the MIB got them. We all seem to be stuck at that point.
Well, he is right. I have done nothing more. As it takes too much power (from the power company that burns oil at a far cheaper rate to make the gas).
Talk ot enough people and you will find that HHO is gradually moving towards 100%.
Before you gave up back in 2003, how much gas wee you getting compared to conventional electolysis? I ask because there was a guy almost 100 years ago making 800 times Faraday electrolysis with HV and spark gaps.
If it takes too much power - find a better way!What about that "implosive" gas (or effect) that IronHead was getting from one of his cells? Ever get that? IH started a thread to explore that too.
What about High voltage - like a 100,000 volts at high frequency or the recent post about 750kV? Ever try that?
What about coils around the cell and pulsed fields and stuff like that, ever go there?
IronHead pushes each concept as far as he can, sharing his findings, asking for nothing in return. No "non-disclosures", no patents, no BS.
Well said and thank you for the kind words Grumpy
I was chased off this forum by the people that wanted to burn down my windmill , felt like Frankenstein for awhile there. Fact is I literally got broke/burned up working on these technologies , so yeah I was good ol Franky in state of mind. Most bashing happened in the message system so you wont see all of that and in emails. All my threads here have no end results because of it. I like to come back once and awhile to see whats happening . But it seems I am still a monster in some peoples eyes here. Does not matter, the few good people make it worth the while. This is the resign for the very short post in the resent months
Hey guys,
the youtube user is still there, he must of just removed that video only, Here is the link to all his videos.
http://ca.youtube.com/results?search_query=alkibiadis2007&search=Search
His user name is: alkibiadis2007
Oh yeah "alki" is doing some really nice work in basic electrolysis and having fun. You guys with youtube account give him some rates. He loves the rates.But few give them , I think he deserves good ones.
Watch him pop a few here Nice!
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=o5a2iYy2bAY
Has this vidoe clip been talked about?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=lxGeW4XXowc
Good stuff , ChrisPCrunchy is working with some real fun stuff.
Well you guys have fun here I said all I needed to say. I will check back in sometime.
Any of you guy want to really get evolved put some of your work up on youtube it is a great way
to find others with the same interest and show what you are doing if you are into the whole open source thing and who knows where it might end up.
Energy Team Network
IronHead
Hi all,
does someone remember a chinese or korean patent in which water splitting by encapsulated electrodes at HV is described?
Basic configuration: two electrodes forming a cavity; electrodes are fully covered with an insulator; HV pulse(?) is applied; water splitting in the whole cavity takes place at once. I don't remember if the dielectric insulator materials have high epsilons or not. The complete calculation regarding the fieldstrength in the gap is includet.
If somebody remember this patent please let me know via private mail through this forum.
Thank you.
Good work
kaRLfunkel
...again,
only the ammount of charges to load the capacity (including water with epsilon 80) has to be shifted to and sucked from the arrangement of the two electrodes with rounded corners to avoid breakdown of the insulation at high concentrated fieldstrengt.
Please tell me if you know this development.
Many thanks
kaRL
Hey don't give up on that anger thing it works so well for you, it might take you somewhere special some day.Never know
I am done with this.
IronHead
The late Henry "Dad" Garrett was a multi-talented Dallas inventor with a bent for electrical contrivances, and in 1935, he and his son, C.H. Garrett, patented and exhibited an automobile that ran on water -- actually, on hydrogen after the water was broken down by electrolysis.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm
Quote from: mramos on December 12, 2007, 02:32:11 PM
I do not see how I made an HHO cell years ago, made me the first to do it. Sure many have. And now someone if fabricating stuff.
And if there is one running a car, I have not see one doing it with low power (current).
And I do not recall slandering anyone. I stated there was one that was the "teacher" and I no longer see the posting going on hard and have not see a working lower power unit at all.
Thanks simple
lol. then i guess i saw it before you? what makes ya think its not happining anyplace other than the threads you've seen?
Thank-you Nightlife for trying to salvage this thread. I'll leave now.
nough said, ok ? Just stop lets move on shall we?
This and my last post was from the link posted. Please open the link and read the article and look at the drawings provided.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm
The original September 8, 1935 article that I found on microfilm in the Dallas Library.
Dallasite Patents Invention
Which He Claims Substitutes
Water for Gasoline as Fuel
C.H. Garrett, Dallas inventor, gave a private demonstration Saturday of a recently patented contrivance which he said substituted water for gasoline as fuel for internal combustion engines.
He said it broke up the water by electrolysis into its component gases, oxygen and hydrogen, using the highly explosive hydrogen for fuel in the motor cylinder.
The working model operated a four-cylinder engine for several minutes in the demonstration, at varying speeds and with several starts and stops. Garrett said he had operated the engine continuously for more than forty-eight hours.
The inventor said the idea itself was not new. He explained that difficulty had been encountered heretofore in attempts to store the dangerously inflammable hydrogen. He claimed to have AVOIDED that trouble by making and exploding the gas in the SAME PROCESS without a storage chamber in which the flames from the motor cylinders might react.
Water, he explained, is broken down into its component gases by passage of an electric current through it from electrodes immersed in the water. Hydrogen collects at the negative pole and oxygen at the positive. The hydrogen, Garrett said, is MIXED WITH AIR (78% nitrogen and other gases...Vanguard) and introduced DIRECTLY INTO THE CYLINDERS.
The inventor said he had been working on the device for eight years, assisted by his father, Henry Garrett, traffic signal engineer for the city of Dallas, inventor of the traffic signal system, now in use here and holder of several patents on such contrivances.
Garrett said attachment of the electrolytic carburetor and installation of a generator of about DOUBLE normal capacity to furnish power for the breaking down of the water were the only changes needed to convert a gasoline burning automobile into a WATER BURNER!
He said the electrolysis chamber would have to VARY IN SIZE with the size of the motor used. One of ABOUT A QUART CAPACITY being big enough for the ordinary automobile.
He claimed instantaneous starting in any weather, elimination of fire hazards, cooler motor operation and fulfilling of all motor requirements in power and speed.
It's funny how this was done in the 30's and we still don't have it available for the average person.
ZFF has made some very good progress in this field and his work is recorded at the following link.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZeroFossilFuel
@marmos
"As I also said, it would be nice to see power draws on the units"
HHO is pretty much dead on this forum at least on the higher level and outa the jelly jar,Other then the few still around Like ZFF. Though it could be revised with someone wiling to do the work and go out and find those that work on it. The main problem is this is a hard forum to stay sain on.Many builders have been reluctant to post on this forum as they are attacked with in moments by many of the dogma science types here. But there are alot of people on YouTube showing videos of builds from beginning to end with all sorts of measurements, Volts in, Amps in, gas extraction over timed capture (Volume), Pulse readings on Oscope, and even volts and amps out....
There are many , many on YouTube , Do a search on HHO , Meyer, Water Fuel
It takes some time to weed through
@nightlife
Many of us started here , there is alot of info in here from alot of people . It is a crazy and long read, but it is a big part of the history of HHO on OU. I think ZFF is the only one that kept this thing going here on OU in abig way anyway, and I have to thank him for that. He is now doing some wonderful work with applied vacuum and its effects on gas extraction.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2057.195.html
@marmos
We are just starting to see some breakthroughs in the direction of lower power units.It is still in its infancy. I think ZFF might be showing that as well with the vacuum system. Here on OU
What holds water together in the first place?
Little magnets :) teny tiny even
Yank 'em out of there!
Sorry I can not get down to the 0.9 amp range but I don't really want to. It becomes very difficult to measure and see whats going on. It is much easy to start high and work your way down at least for me.
This one could turn into such a thing, maybe not 0.9a, but low for whats out there .It started out as a Titanium test bed but it evolving quickly.
With this device I can pull a pretty good vacuum , induce very high magnetic fields,and even crack some HV through it if I go that far. This is a 12vdc 8 amps solid rod titanium inside of stainless pipe. I will put permanent analog meters on it soon, as they are on order. Here are some startup videos , remember this one is just getting started guys. There is a long way to go on this Test Bed type single Cell. BTW that little 12VDC 10AH battery pack is the power source.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SGiHunter
IronHead, very nice work. I like the amount of gas it produces. I am waiting to see how ZFF does with his vacuum test. One thing I could not understand is why everyone is using a bubbler and not a water separating filter instead. The water that is filtered could be put back in the cell making the water source last longer and also keep the moisture out of the motor it is used to operate.
I was also wondering how much HHO was needed to make a car run. I was also wondering if anyone has been working on a intake and or a injection system that could be used to utilize the HHO. I do know that ZFF said he is working on one but I haven't heard of any designs yet. Have you seen any or thought of any and do you know how much HHO is required to run a car engine? I do know it would take different amounts for different motors so lets just say a average 4cylinder.
Another thing I would like to know is if a new motor design would be more beneficial for HHO, not just the intake and injection but the whole motor? I have access to every piece of equipment to design and build a complete motor and I am searching for what I feel is the best energy source before I waste the time to do so.
I have been leaning towards magnetic pulse motors to charge battery's and run brushless motors, one per wheel, but I am still undecided at this point. I am very interested in Volvo's new concept electric motor design. Have you seen it yet?
I am fascinated with the ability to extract more energy from pulse motors then they take to operate. I have yet to find the best way to do that yet do to all the different ways it can be done. That is why I am here. I have seen a lot of different designs that could work with just tweaking them a bit.
Sorry to ramble on and by all means please keep up the good work.
I use a separator . Most bubbler's evolve into a separator some where along the line as people need.
You have a lot of questions. I will try to answer some , but right now I must sleep. Some of the levels are wrong on this pic but you get the idea. This one belong to a rather large system.
Thanks for the kind words
I think for home we will be seeing more in the Plasma systems for not only heating but power production as well. This technology is also in its infancy.These system once started run very low power in and alot of heat out. Delta + is seen in most systems if not all , even the jelly jar
Quote from: mramos on December 13, 2007, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: IronHead on December 12, 2007, 09:46:14 PM
@marmos
We are just starting to see some breakthroughs in the direction of lower power units.It is still in its infancy. I think ZFF might be showing that as well with the vacuum system. Here on OU
Nice work in the pictures.
Yea, I really do think, unless the power is low, people will use the grid as the price is not too bad. Now far as petrol, it keeps going up. So there may be a meeting in the middle far as HHO.
In my old post, I have often mentioned HHO belongs in a car for now (for me anyway). Since it needs so much current. But hope to see the draw come down.
I will keep reading and hope someone can crack that nut. There must be a frequency and interface that can break water into gas. Just someone needs to find it. :)
Keep up the good work. And peace.
Han's VL has some ideas as well, sure you have read them. I was able to use a very low power (20mA) AM to get a little gas that would light. I parked it as it was not really what Han's was after (a hardware error on my end caused that). I used a 9VDC transistor battery to run it no less. Again, it was not what Han's asked for, but the broken unit to create HHO.
I will probably get back to work in that area, hit it from another direction maybe.
I found the 555ic chip didn't work for me, Mosfet or any other way. I use an Electronic oscillator RF around 47MHz at 7.25 amp with a duel CW tone under vacuum. I isolate the gases off each plate so that I get the oxygen and hydrogen separate. The down fall to this for some is the $590.00 an ounce platinum plates. If you wanted to improvise and mod; an old cordless phones, was on 43-50 MHz. Since I have an amateur (ham) license I have other means to accomplish this. ALSO TAKING THE RF CHOKE OFF CAN BE DANGEROUS.
Thanks, Doc