I started my quest using other forums and I have now decided to start a new one to keep from high jacking others. I would however suggest that everyone should stay tuned to the thread because I am trying to figure out the problem everyone here is having with their designs. I will be questioning the laws of physics and I may even go against them with my rambling but please note that I am a mechanical wiz when it comes to problem solving. That is what I do and have done since before I dropped out of school 25 years ago.
I have to start with justifying all the parts involved in a problem and I may find some problems with some of the said parts that may cause confusion but please note that I am only working with what I believe to be a high level of common sense and if it doesn't make sense to me I will find out why and change it with something that does. This may lead to the debunking of some theory's and or laws of physics but I will do my best to justify my reasoning for all to understand.
I do know that I am jumping back and forth with my reasoning on other threads not paying attention to what has already been figured out but I must keep a open mind when trying to figure out a problem. I do this because I don?t believe what anyone says and or has said because of things like the bible and other stories that have got twisted and or made up over time just to benefit the greed of the person that say or told them. I have to start from scratch when trying to resolve a problem I don?t have a clue how to fix. In this case it would be the accumulation of energy using the most efficient way possible.
Please feel free to join in at anytime but please note that am not one to take kindly to disrespectful comments and I am only here to try and help.
I left off on the last thread with my not understanding the terminology of certain words and I am slowing figuring them out as I research.
Cathode rays are streams of electrons observed in vacuum tubes, i.e. evacuated glass tubes that are equipped with at least two electrodes, a cathode (positive electrode) and an anode (negative electrode) in a configuration known as a diode.
This tells me that electrons are just bits of a frequency. I am also now thinking that a positive is just a higher frequency of a same frequency wave and a negative is just a lower frequency of the same frequency wave and when they collide, they create an explosion and or heat as they become one.
Lets say we order the earths 7.8 frequency with one lead and the order the earths 15.6 frequency with the other lead and then short them together and see what happens. I am betting that the short would create heat and the amount of heat would be based on the amount of the frequencies ordered. I am also betting that the larger the amounts are ordered that the further apart the short has to be to create the heat which in turn causes a lightning effect across the contacts.
Please bare with me as I try to figure this out.
The magnetic field of the lower frequency must be weaker then the magnetic field of the higher frequency causing the lower to be attracted to the higher. This then makes me think that a earth magnet is nothing more then a compression of two different frequencies in a iron core and that would explain why magnetic fields are used to order the frequencies.
Based on that, I have now confused myself because that would mean a magnet would be nothing more then a sun which they obviously are not. Unless of course they contain two different frequencies that are forced in to ends of a iron core like the magnets we make and therefore making them a neutral magnetic field.
This would explain why magnets are attracted to iron because iron must hold frequencies and when there is an accumulation of a frequency they create their own magnetic field. This would also explain where the sparks come from when scraping one core against another.
Man my head hurts LOL. I done for now but I do believe at this point that the trick to free energy is based on the compression of different frequencies. I may change my opinion over the course of this quest time as I figure things out.
Glad to see you have an open mind, Nightlife.
Before you get into frequencies and such start with the basic problem:
What do you want? Electrical energy.
What is electrical energy? Current times voltage equals watts. This is conventional and excludes any other forms.
So, voltage is a measure of potential or charge, though i don;t like the word charge - lets use the word "pressure". So voltage is "electrical pressure".
What is "current"?
Grumpy,
I think of current as the movement of "electrical pressure".
Current is "electrical stream".
A charged capacitor has stored energy, a potential , a pressure, a static voltage. When an inductor is connected across the capacitor it discharges, exchanging it's energy with the inductor. This exchange is current.
G'day Nightlife and all,
Essentially your thinking is right on the money. You would do well to study Keely, especially when it comes to harmonics. Keely essentially held that there are three, and only three vibratory streams that make up the universe. These three vibratory streams meet in varying proportions (ie amplitude) and where they meet create the different manifestations of energy and matter as we know them.
For a primer on Keely's ideas have a look at my website http://keelytech.com it will give you much to think about and explore.
Hans von Lieven
hansvonlieven, thank you for that information. I have read some things about Keely and I found that he may have been involved in Fords alleged design for the model T that is said to be able to run with out any fossil fuels if "Cow Magnets" were placed in certain notches that were said to be cut out in the bell housing of the first series of the Model T's. !909 I believe it was. The bell housing on those models were actually cast as part of the block. I did locate one in Nevada at a museum and I have yet to hear back from the manager there. I will send him a email to see what he found out. I am thinking that the one he has may have already been converted over by the ones who don?t want us to know about it.
Three men were said to have found out about it and they were said to have located one and then to have installed the magnets. They were said to have made it run on its own power and was said to have drove it to a meeting to show it to certain people. It was then said that they were on there way home and some was ran them off the road, killed them and took the motor. It was said that only two of the three were there and the third was sick and could not attend. It is know said that the third is in hiding.
That is about as much as I know about Keely but I will do some more research on him to find out about his therefore of only three vibrating wave streams. That would explain why some patents show three different coil?s in some of the TPU's devices.
We need someone to find out what frequency is captured and or created when a magnetic field is moved along a copper wire. Does any one already have the answer to that?
Here is some information I found and it looks like it will be hard to research his work since no one seems to have his papers because have have seemed to have disapeared. LOL, imagine that.
Who was John W. Keely?
John Keely was an independent researcher specializing in the properties of sound during the mid to late 1800's.
What did Keely discover?
He was purported to have discovered techniques based on incredibly sensitive vibratory mechanisms which would allow the use of the Aether for practical purposes.
What devices did he build?
1) a machine to split the water molecule for the instantaneous release of tremendous pressures
2) an engine which was reportedly driven by the flow of Aether into its components
3) designed and built a mineral disintegrator
4) an acoustic microscope capable of viewing into the molecular and atomic interstices of matter
5) a globe which could be made to rotate with no outside source of power as a demonstration of the Aetheric flows into matter
6) a belt device which enabled the operator to induce levitation or gravity in a test mass
What happened to his work?
On his death in 1898 of pneumonia, a Boston businessman purchased the bulk of equipment. On moving it to Boston, the man never successfully operated it which caused him to denounce Keely as a fraud. Many of Keelys papers were given to a Count Von Rosen of Scotland these papers were taken to Stockholm in 1912 and have been unaccounted for since. Scientific American dismantled the walls and floor of Keely's lab and found a large tank in the basement. Leading from the tank into the walls were a multitude of tubes which led them to proclaim fraud on the basis that Keely "must have used" compressed air to power his equipment.
Who continues the work?
At the present time and to the best of our knowledge, there are only two groups in the USA which actively research, correlate and investigate the work of John W. Keely
Dale Pond, Director Jerry W. Decker, Director Delta Spectrum Research
Vangard Sciences 1309 North Chestnut PO BOX 870716 Colorado Springs, CO Mesquite, TX 80905 (719) 473-8852 75187 (214) 324-8741
Journal Vibratory Physics $24 Yr. KeelyNet (214) 324-3501
One of the most astounding of his discoveries was the concept of the Neutral Centre. The Neutral Centre was at the heart of each structure in Nature ranging from the prion to the quark to the atom to the molecule to the mass aggregation.
Individually, the Neutral Centre acts as a drain for the Aether to pass presumably into the 4th dimension. When they gather or cluster, they each have a separate drain with another Master Neutral Centre formed from the combination of all the mass components. This is what is termed the "Center of Mass" in modern physics.
The velocity of the Aetheric flow is determined by the mode of operation by which the mass is currently ruled. The Neutral Centre can be thought of as an adjustable diaphragm which can control the amount of Aether which flows into the "drain" of the Neutral Centre.
The mode of operation can take any of three possible forms. Keely had broken these down into the Harmonic, the Enharmonic and the Dominant. In an attempt to make these easier to deal with, the terms used by the RFP theory are more expressive of the attributes of each mode.
For clarity, this paper will use the terminology incorporated in the RFP theory. Mode and force vector will be used interchangeably.
RFP term Keely term
Pressor Enharmonic
Tractor Harmonic
Dominant Dominant
Force Vector Mode
The Pressor force vector (mode) accelerates and extends the range of molecular oscillation. When excited or brought into play, it causes molecular dissociation with a subsequent decrease in weight. The Pressor mode repels or pushes and is of the nature of centrifugal force in modern parlance.
The Tractor force vector reduces the range of molecular oscillation and will cause a general concentration of the mass components. This compaction of the particles of a mass will increase what is perceived as weight. The Tractor mode concentrates, pulls, attracts and is exemplified by the centripetal force in modern science.
The Dominant force vector can either stabilize a mass to prevent radioactive decay or bring on transmutation of one element to another. This mode completely rearranges all three modes (Tractor, Pressor and Dominant) in relation to each other. Transmutation is the most recognizable property of this mode.
A simple table of relationships is included to show the extent of these relationships :
Pressor Tractor Dominant
centrifugal centripetal still
South Pole North Pole Bloch Wall
CCW spin CW spin no spin
proton electron neutron
cold hot temperate
positive negative neutral
expand condens transmute
push pull stabilize
As you can see, there are numerous verifications in Nature and science based on the trinary concept above the binary. We have found numerous correlations which are quite interesting.
Pressor Tractor Dominant
These three modes of force must all three be present in any mass or mass aggregation.
The mass comprises 100% with all 3 being present in any combination of 3 separate percentages. For instance, if we assign (P) for Pressor, (T) for Tractor and (D) for Dominant, you might better understand the relationship :
(P=20%) + (T=60%) + (D=20%) = 100% the general proportions for much of the physical mass we are aware of THE TRACTOR RULES since T=60%
(P=60%) + (T=20%) + (D=20%) = 100% the general proportions for mass which is in a radiatory state, such as a light or heat source THE PRESSOR RULES since P=60%
(P=20%) + (T=20%) + (D=60%) = 100% the general proportions in effect when the mass is in the radioactive or transmutative state THE DOMINANT RULES since D=60%
Pressor Tractor Dominant
As you can see, if we can gain control of the trinary forces, we can adjust the relation of any of the vectors to achieve the effect we wish.
These can include levitation, compression by dissociation (if at a sufficiently high order of vibration, we could generate aneutronic energy), aggregation or materialization of matter, transmutation of existing matter and suspension of the aging process.
Since these are the Creative Forces to which Edgar Cayce refers, you can easily conceive of countless other applications and possibilities.
http://www.keelynet.com/keely/rfp1.txt
Sorry nightlife,
much of what you have here is utter bullshit.
Dale pond has done a lot of research and Jerry Decker has collected an awful lot of information. But most of it is unsorted disorganised stuff compiled from all sorts of sources. If you want the material in an organised manner, concentrating on purely what Keely said and did, my site is the only one that will give you this. Keely did leave a lot of valuable stuff behind, especially photographs of his machines which, at least to a degree can be reverse engineered. This I have tried to do.
Hope you enjoy the read. http://keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
hansvonlieven, thank you.
I didn't realize you had a web site and that you were studying Keely's work. Now that I know that I will definitely go to your site and check it out.
If you want to understand "electricity", then study the works of Nikola Tesla - period!
His patents, his lectures, his "comments", everything.
Grumpy, I am not convinced that Tesla even knew what electricity really is. He was said to have transmitted it and he was said to be able to use a TPU device to receive it but nowhere I have read that he actually knew what electricity is.
Some say it is made up from electrons which are said to be part of a atom. Some say electrons can be moved threw copper wire as well as some other materials.
I have a hard time with those theory's because they don?t make sense.
the problem ive seen with this site is 99% of ppl here want OVER UNITY, and f__k me dead if something uses the power of 3 x 100 watt bulbs but makes 12x 100 watt bulbs they still wont even bat an eyelid at it even if you spell it out to them and even push it back in ther face and start asking questions about how would a dum_ ass like my self get one working ;D what you have here is a bunch of gods in ther own minds and watch out if you step on there halos,but in saying that i have much respect for some of them,i said SOME of them( and if your not on there level of * STUFF *youll be lucky to get an answer/kick in the face ), but man i really wish you the best here,alot of this stuff is still interesting to read tho :)
hansvonlieven, I am half way through reading your findings and I must say that so far you have done well. There are a couple things that throw me off as to why they were not researched a bit more then they were. So far based on what I read in your findings, I feel Keely had come close to actually knowing what electricity really is.
I know believe that Keely's work has been studied by Hutchinson do to his claims on research he has done. The ripping apart of metal and the levitating of objects using frequencies all sound familiar to some of Keely's work. I also believe that Hutchinson has figured out what electricity is as well as ways to retrieve it. He showed us that by using certain crystallized fossils to make a battery. If he doesn't know what electricity is, then I think he is close to finding out.
I will finish reading your findings and post my final opinion when I am done as well as any significance I get out of it to help me with my quest.
Thanks again and I want to say that I am impressed with what I have read so far.
b0rg13, over unity is impossible. Even if they took power that could only operate 3 bulbs rated at 100 watts and figured out a way to use the same power to operate 12 bulbs rated at 100 watts each, they still would have not reached over unity do to the fact that the extra energy created had to come from another energy added to the original energy that made the difference.
I believe the main problem is the fact that they don?t even know what electricity really even is or what it really is made of.
yeah i forgot to mention , i couldnt give a flying fffff about OU, but if u put 300 in and get 1200 out then in my country little old ladies wont die when there power is cut off( and they do die,there in the news), and id find a way to put that into a car and stop paying for $2 a liter of gas,yes liter not gallon. what i see is 900watts of useable electirc stuff to run a heater or a car or both, and when you get your car home, plug it into your house if you need the extra 900watts,i see a chit load of GOOD ideas and getting things to work well here on the site,most ppl seem to have ther head up there butt looking for OU tho, and the rest seem to try and ask for investing and crap, ...just put ya damn working idea out and lets get it done, dosent matter if it only puts out 500watts even, its till useable and i bet with all the gods here something could be done, yet its not.
, put the idea out,put the plans out, help others get it done,how hard could it be?.
b0rg13, there are plenty of published designs out there that are said to work.
My researches teach me that electricity is but
a certain condensed form of atomic vibration, a form showing
only the introductory features which precede the etheric
vibratory condition. It is a modulated force so conditioned,
in its more modest flows, as to be susceptible of benefit to all
organisms. Though destructive to a great degree in its
explosive positions, it is the medium by which the whole sys-
tem of organic nature is permeated beneficially ; transfusing
certain forms of inert matter with life-giving principles. It
is to a certain degree an effluence of divinity ; but only as the
branch is to the tree. We have to go far beyond this condi-
tion to reach the pure etheric one, or the body of the tree.
The Vibratory Etheric tree has many branches, and electricity
is but one of them. Though it is a medium by which the
operations of vital forces are performed, it cannot in my opinion
be considered the soul of matter." . .KEELY
Hans von Lieven
WHAT is ELECTRICITY?
Electricity is the result of three differentiated sympathetic
flows, combining the celestial and terrestrial flows by an order
of assimilation negatively attractive in its character. It is
one of Nature's efforts to restore attractive differentiation. In
analyzing this triple union in its vibratory philosophy, I find
the highest order of perfection in this assimilative action of
Nature. The whole condition is atomic, and is the introduc-
tory one which has an affinity for terrestrial centres, uniting
magnetically with the Polar stream; in other words, uniting
with the Polar stream by neutral affinity. The magnetic or
electric forces of the earth are thus kept in stable equilibrium
by this triune force, and the chords of this force may be
expressed as 1st, the dominant, 2nd, the harmonic, and 3rd,
the enharmonic. The value of each is, one to the other, in the
rates of figures, true thirds. E flat transmissive chord or
dominant ; A flat harmonic ; A double flat enharmonic.
The unition of the two prime thirds is so rapid, when the
negative and the positive conditions reach a certain range of
vibratory motion, as to be compared to an explosion. During
this action the positive electric stream is liberated and imme-
diately seeks its neutral terrestrial centre, or centre of highest
attraction.
The power of attractive vibration of the solar forces is the
great coincident towards which the terrestrial-magnetic-
sympathetic flow is diverted. This force is the celestial
current that makes up the prime third of the triple associa-
tion. It also induces aqueous disintegration and thermal
concentration, the two prime conductors towards this coinci-
dent chord of sympathy with itself. Without this aqueous
disintegration there would be no connective link between the
celestial and terrestrial. There would exist nothing but a
condition of luminous radiation on the order of the aurora a
reaching out for the concordant without any sympathetic
diversion to create unstable equilibrium of terrestrial
magnetism. In fact, under such a condition, the absence
of the sun on one side, or the absence of water on
the other, the magnetic or electric force would remain
in a stable state of equilibrium, or the highest order
of the chaotic. Disturbance of equilibrium and sympathetic
equation constitute the dual power that governs all the varied
forms of life and motion which exist terrestrially, of which the
electric or magnetic is the prime mover and regulator. All
electrical action, no matter of what character, has its sympa-
thetic birth by the intervention of that current of the triune
flow, which I call the dominant, with the Polar harmonic
current; all sympathetic flows being composed of three
currents. They become associative one with the other only
near the junction of terrestrial interference. The great
vacuous field which exists between the planetary ranges holds
this portion of the etheric flow free of all antagonism, molecu-
larly or otherwise, till the associative point is reached ; so
wonderfully planned by the Great Creator, for instant electric
evolution and assimilation with terrestrial centres of attraction.
I call this intervention, atomic-inter-molecular and molecular
density. The combination of the action of the triune sympa-
thetic-celestial stream with the same intervening medium
induces heat and light, as the resultant of these corpuscular
connections with sympathetic celestial and terrestrial focalized
centres of neutral radiation. I do not recognize electricity,
nor light, nor heat as coming from the sun. These conditions,
according to my theories, emanate from atomic and inter-
atomic interference on induced molecular vibration, by
sympathetic etheric vibration, the celestial-attractive being
the prime mover. In my estimation this is not at all pheno-
menal ; it is only phenomenal as far as the knowledge of its
action in mechanical physics is concerned. Physicists have
been working in the wrong direction to lead them to associate
themselves with Nature's sympathetic evolutions. 1 The
expression " Electricity attracts at a distance " is as bad as, if
not worse than, the " microbe of the magnet/' Clerk Maxwell
seems, when theorizing on sound transmission by an atmo-
spheric medium, not to have taken into consideration the
philosophy attending the phenomena of the origination of
electric streams in celestial space. Light is one of the
prominent evolved mediums in electric action, and is evolved
by corpuscular bombardment induced by sympathetic streams
acting between the neutral centres of planetary masses, all of
which are under a condition of unstable equilibrium. These
unstable conditions were born in them, and were thus designed. KEELY
Hans von Lieven
Now, explain it.
hansvonlieven, damn, I dropped out in the 9th grade so I must thank you for giving me a reply that requires me to look up half the words you used just to try and figure out what you actually are talking about. LOL
It will take a while but I will get back to you after I am done.
The problem with alote of science is that things are made too complicated....something that is so simple yet so all encompassing is missing either by oversight or by plan.If the previous civilisations had antigravity,space travel etc.. things start to make sense ...The tree of knowledge was available to all.The answer is simpler than we think
Sorry nightlife,
These are NOT my words, I was quoting Keely verbatim.
Hans
Wait i got it ... things vibrate and well sometimes vibrations come together you could have some extra gooood vibrations resulting or the initial two might just diminish each other resulting in a smaller non creative vibration. When lots of good vibrations keen to the golden mean come together they start dancing in the street. Right around in circles. smaller to start and growing upward and larger. This is not the meaning of life ... just a insanity check.
Localjoe, I think Van Halen had that same theory in mind when they produced the song "Dancing in the streets". LOL
I was thinking more along the lines of the Dead's version but sure.
good vibrations is by the beach boys.... ;) 8)....
Ok class, my quest is now over and I now have the proper theory as well as the information needed for all of you that are building energy devises. This next theory should be recorded in history books. Don?t even think twice and waste any time working against this theory.
Electricity is a frequency. Frequencies are everywhere in our universe. They only flow from attraction and or push. They have resistance to iron, some stronger then others. It will attract and repel it's self only when it's self is put in a spinning motion. That spinning motion is what we call a magnetic field.
A magnetic field is nothing more then a spinning frequency creating a vacuum that has a resistance to its self as both a positive and a negative. Therefore, creating a positive, being the suction and a negative being the exhaust. It does however have a resistance to all metals, some stronger then others, the harder = the stronger, the softer = the weaker. That resistance is only a positive resistance causing a attraction.
There you go, now that you all know what electricity is, how it flows and what it's resistance is, you should now be able to create devises to utilize it properly. Just remember that a frequency the positive and iron the negative unless the frequency is put in a spinning motion causing the flow a positive being the suction and a negative being the exhaust just like a vacuum but it only affects its self in a repelling manor but attracts its self as well as all metals, in a attractive manor.
Not bad for a 9th grade drop out? LOL That there is 100% common sense people. Anyone care to argue? I can prove this theory if need be.
Thomas N. Brown, It is now December 19th 2007 at 2:00 am
36 Hodgson rd,
Battle Creek, Michigan 49014
@nightlife
As the chinese detective said in Get Smart: 'Amasing!'
ERS
@nightlife,
For crying out loud ------- Don't tell Lawrence! :'(
Hans
hansvonlieven, why shouldn't Lawrence find out?
Because he would become just unbearable if he saw this and incorporated it into The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
Hans
Hi all,
My 3 cents
The force of magnetism seems to have its origin in the forces of attraction or repulsion between electric currents flowing in the same, or opposite directions, respectively.
If the electric currents are along circular paths, then the magnetic effect will appear in the form of magnetic poles which are either N or S poles, depending on the side from which we view the electric currents.
It necessarily follows that there can never be a single isolated magnet pole.
All of this is clearly understood in the theoretical physics of today, but the difficulty is in explaining why there will be such attractive or repulsive forces between electric currents.
A simple example of an electric current, is the flow of electrons in a copper wire.
The ether currents which keep the moving electrons connected with the protons of the copper atoms, will then become extended lengthwise of the wire, and will keep the moving electrons oriented in the same direction.
The polar flow of ether from the protons to the electrons, will then be in the direction of movement of the electrons, while the external return flow (which constitutes the true magnetic field) will be in the reverse direction, in the space around the wire.
When the wire has the form of a solenoid, the surrounding ether will therefore circulate in a direction OPPOSITE to the direction of travel of the electrons, and not in the same direction as would be expected under the nuclear theory, if the ether were considered as being merely carried along by the moving electrons.
The above conclusion as to the direction of flow of the ether in the magnetic field is a necessary consequence of the vortex structures which have been ascribed to protons and electrons respectively.
If these structures would be reversed, then the direction of flow of the ether in the magnetic field would also be reversed.
That our choice of structures has been correct seems to be corroborated, not only by the direction of the induced electromotive force in electromagnetic induction, but also by the direction of the magneto-optic effect.
All organic substances, and nearly all inorganic substances, when placed in a magnetic field, will rotate the plane of polarization of light in a direction OPPOSITE to the direction of movement of the electrons in the solenoidal current around the magnet.
There are only a few inorganic substances (FeCl3 for example) which are exceptions, and these exceptional cases are probably due to some stroboscopic effect.
The direction of induced electromotive force also leads to the same conclusion as to the direction of the ether in the magnet field.
When a current is started, or increased, in the primary circuit, the induced current in the secondary will flow in the OPPOSITE direction, which seems to indicate that the free electrons in the secondary are given an impulse in a direction opposite to the direction of movement of the electrons in the primary.
Such an impulse can be imparted only by a magnetic field around the primary.
The induced current in the secondary will continue to flow only as long as the acceleration of the electrons continues.
After the current in the primary on longer increases in strength, there will no longer be any induced electromotive force in the secondary, but the free electrons in the secondary will still be held in their oriented positions by the magnetic field.
If the current in the primary then diminishes or stops flowing, the magnetic field will be removed from the secondary, and the free electrons which were held in oriented positions by such a magnetic field, will be released, whereupon they will spring back into their natural positions which will constitute a flow of current in the same direction as the current in the primary.
Electromagnetic induction therefore leads to the same conclusions as the magneto-optic effect in regard to the direction of flow of the ether in the magnetic field.
It will be seen from the foregoing that it is the same external flow of ether from the electrons, to the protons, which forms both the electrostatic, and the magnetic field.
In the electrostatic field, however, these external ether currents, emerge from, and terminate upon electrically charged particles, whereas in the magnetic field, they flow in closed circuits; ether along the path of an electric circuit, or around the periphery of a magnetic pole is electrically neutral.
It does not contain an accumulation of one kind of electricity, and therefore behaves toward an electric charge in the same manner as any other metal body would behave.
Since the ether around an electric charge does not flow in closed circuits, but only from the electrons to the protons, any force which this unidirectional flow of ether may exert upon half of the magnetic pole, would be counterbalanced by an equal, and opposite force, upon the other half.
Although an electric charge and a magnetic pole do not exert any force upon each other, they do act upon each other.
The electric charge will induce an equal and opposite charge on the adjacent surface of the magnetic pole, while the magnetic pole will induce unidirectional orientation of the electrons, relative to the protons, in the electrically charged body; just as in any other body which is positioned in a magnetic field.
If the body is transparent, then such orientation can be detected by the magneto-optic effect.
Electric and magnetic fields differ from the gravitational field in that the flow of ether in electric and magnetic fields is always confined to limited regions.
It ether passes from negative to positive charges, around a closed circuit, whereas in a gravitational field the ether merely passes through any body that is in its path.
That is the reason why all efforts to screen or otherwise control the gravitational field have been unsuccessful.
If this could ever be accomplished, then a simple system of interplanetary travel would probably be possible.
The problem, however, is not entirely hopeless.
The very fact that the gravitational field acts more effectively on protons, than upon electrons, seems to show that gravitational ether currents do coact in some specific manner with electrically charged particles, and when we determine the manner in which they coact, then we shall be in a better position to solve the problem of an easy method of interplanetary travel.
PhiScience, sorry but copper is just used because of it's weak attraction to a frequency and its ability to allow a frequency to flow across it's surface because of it's weak attraction.
Quote from: nightlife on December 16, 2007, 06:57:55 AM
I started my quest using other forums and
I have now decided to start a new one to keep from high jacking others.
I would however suggest that everyone should stay tuned to the thread because
I am trying to figure out the problem everyone here is having with their designs.
I will be questioning the laws of physics and
I may even go against them with my rambling but please note that
I am a mechanical wiz when it comes to problem solving. That is what
I do and have done since before
I dropped out of school 25 years ago.
I have to start with justifying all the parts involved in a problem and
I may find some problems with some of the said parts that may cause confusion but please note that
I am only working with what
I believe to be a high level of common sense and if it doesn't make sense to me
I will find out why and change it with something that does. This may lead to the debunking of some theory's and or laws of physics but
I will do my best to justify my reasoning for all to understand.
I do know that
I am jumping back and forth with my reasoning on other threads not paying attention to what has already been figured out but
I must keep a open mind when trying to figure out a problem.
I do this because
I don?t believe what anyone says and or has said
I have to start from scratch when trying to resolve a problem
I don?t have a clue how to fix. In this case it would be the accumulation of energy using the most efficient way possible.
I am not one to take kindly to disrespectful comments and
I am only here to try and help.
Amazing!
- Schpankme
mramos, I cant say he knew nothing about it but I don?t think he knew exactly what it was and he actually may have and we may be led to believe he didn't or that it is something else because big money wouldn't want us to know the truth because they make money off this big secret if it is just a secret.
I actually have to give credit to Keely and Tesla for my ability to come up with that theory. There work led me in the right direction. I also have to give some credit to Hansvonlieven because his research helped me too. Most credit is due to this forum and the members that partake in the discussions. This forum along with the members that are and were involved inspired me to find out what electricity really is. I honestly thought everyone knew but me but I found out different when I posted the question and that sent me on a mission.
Schpankme, thank you for pointing that out to me, I now realize that a lot of those "I"s should have been "WE"s. Sorry about that, I must have got caught up in the moment.
@ Nightlife
Do you like the three phase ac power in your house.. i sure do.. i mean i dont like paying for it but where would society be today if he hadn't given up the royalties to give this tech to Westinghouse.... What if Edison and his DC electricity .... oil company backed swine... Won the infrastructure battle. Niagara falls... radio , remote control boats/vehicles, induction motors .. man are you nuts we owe so much to Mr. Tesla
Joe
PS- Feel free to kick yourself and shut the lights off for 24 hrs... fair penance for utter disregard
Localjoe, please don't think I am discrediting Tesla, we do owe a lot to him as well as others. I only said that I don?t think he knew what electricity really is and if he did, he either hid it from us or someone else did.
All we need to know is that electricity only flows in a form of a frequency and a frequency is nothing without electrons with a resistance and I don't recall that ever being said by Tesla or anyone else, but then again, I didn't have much schooling so I could be wrong as far as no one ever saying that and it is simple if you think about it.
There are sub atomic particles you know which determine quantum entanglement.. what about those.
Localjoe, Subatomic particles are said to be made up with electrons, protons and neutrons and the quantum entanglement theory I believe is only to be believed that a spin up creates a spin down which I would agree with. So why did you ask about that?
I guess i was referring to particles smaller than electrons protons and neutrons, do you think that they are by products of this electron frequency or whatever you calling it?
Localjoe, based on my theory, a particle can't exist with out a electron. Are there said to be any particles smaller then a electron?
Not thats known, as far as i could find.
@nightlife
Here's a short film, that discus's the fundamental force that forms and sustains the universe (food for thought).
THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&q=electric+universe&total=209&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
www.thunderboltsdvd.com
- Schpankme
Found.. and tesla happens to mention these puppies too
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:WvYL0sDYJaUJ:cyclotron.tamu.edu/nuctheo/smp07-talks/SMP07_Fries.ppt+particles+smaller+than+electrons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=53&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:WvYL0sDYJaUJ:cyclotron.tamu.edu/nuctheo/smp07-talks/SMP07_Fries.ppt+particles+smaller+than+electrons&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=53&gl=us&client=firefox-a)
Neutrino Mass
For a long time, neutrinos were suspected to have no mass at all.
But if neutrinos do have masses, the 3 generations of neutrinos, ï®e, ï®ïÂÂ, ï®ï´, can switch their identity while traveling through space due to a quantum effect.
Such neutrino oscillations have been
observed in 1998.
Still neutrino masses are very small:
The mass of ï®e is more than 100,000 times smaller than the mass of the electron.
Schpankme, thanks for that video and it was very interesting and I feel it added strength to my theory.
It's nice to see that others are starting to catch on and I hope that some day my theory will be told by others with out even ever have heard of or read about what I have stated in my theory.
My words may not be the correct words to have used but the concept is the same and I have my lack of education in a theoretical sense to be able to properly explain my thoughts in words. I am trying and that?s all I can do. I do hope that people start to understand at least the concept..
I will say that this is helping me with my spelling ability and that alone is a accomplishment. LOL
Localjoe, thank you for finding that. That would explain the existence of a electron. That's is what has been bothering me about my theory because there has to be a movement and a resistance to create a electron. Then again, there has to be something to have created the element that is said to be 100,000 times smaller. Therefore, that element would have to have some sort of electron.
The whole evolution thing is never going to be possible to determine what started creation. The main thing is finding out what electricity really is so we can either produce, attract and or capturer it so we utilize it as a free power source. I believe my theory gives us the tools to do just that provided we are wise enough to utilize those tools to do so efficiently.
Are you working with the earth battery theory still? If so, how is that working out?
Quote from: Localjoe on December 20, 2007, 12:25:02 AM
There are sub atomic particles you know which determine quantum entanglement.. what about those.
It is said that any theory which purports to tell us what electricity and the elementary particles of matter really are, stand condemned at the start.
Although it is true that we cannot make something out of nothing, still we do not need to begin with a complex array of protons, electrons, and neutrons as a starting point.
These subatomic particles, and their associated fields of force, may themselves consist of self sustaining forms of motion; such as vortex motion, in a hypothetical ether having only certain general properties, such as inertia and fluidity, but no specific internal structure or molecules with atomic oscillators.
@nightlife
Its not a theory man... were out in our yards with copper pipes what are you doing.?
Joe
Phi science ... i lean more towards good old victor myself most of the time. Vortex theory is the nature of life
Localjoe, I consider any thought as a theory. Cant you tell? LOL
I am not doing anything yet because I am not done figuring out the best way to go about it. Hell, I just got done with my idiotic theory my brain needs time to re-fuel for my next idiotic thought process.
Let me ask you all something.
You can not create a movement without creating a resistance and you can not create a resistance without creating a frequency. The same would apply to any combination of the three. True or False?
My common sense will not let me think of this in any other way.
Let your common sense be derived from experimenting not from pieces that others have claimed true... will save you time in the long run. If i had listened to everyone when they told me the earth batteries were strictly a galvanic cell we would have missed out on a great thread so if you have tangible proof the people will come .Until that point they may harass you tho so be weary. You havent touched on the anti particles in your theory too ... what if particle and anti particle were always in orbit because of magnetic alignment and the ether they pass through resist them according to there spin which is resistance on the medium.
Localjoe, that?s my problem, I am not listening to what anyone tells me. This whole theory of mine is based on what I find to be sensible in my mind. I started from scratch trying to find out what electricity is and I state what I find it to be in the theory I posted.
I had to find out exactly what it is before I could find a way to produce it.