Dear Gentlemen,
I have some good news. I have been able to create the same vibration in my coil as SM. I know how to do it. And why it vibrates. I also know why he puts a magnet on to the TPU to start it.
I have also made a circuit that can receive the Shumen resonance frequency at 7.3 Hz. I will sell the plan for the circuit for $ 25 a copy with a schematic and a parts list. I would appreciate that no one post this circuit .The circuit is easy to build and takes 1 night depending on your skill level. This circuit will hear all RF resonances from about 40 Hz down to 2 Hz. The output of this circuit can be driven into a audio amplifier or just observed on a scope. If you use a scope that has an X Y in put you can inject 7.3 Hz into X and let the circuit inject Y you can see the circle pattern when your generator is at the same frequency that the receiver is receiving on. I will be posting the circuit on eBay later this week. Or you can PM me direct for the circuit.
I have also figured out or have a good theory why SM is saying to use tubes. This pointing is not literal it is a clue. The clue is high voltage. Tubes work with high voltages. High voltage fields is what is necessary for the TPU to work. SM uses the word resonance to describe his theory?s . Being an RF guy I use that term a lot. Look up what is called a class C Rf amplifier this will explain why SM TPU has a high freq arc and DC on his output. Any coil that is pulsed near its resonant frequent will produce the highest field it can. If you measure the DC input of the class C amplifier when it is tuned to resonance it has its highest output and it draw the least amount of current. That is what makes it an efficient amplifier for a narrow band amplification. If you rectify the out put of and RF amplifier you will get the exact same effect as SM s output spark. What SM did was to make a 5000 Hz class C Rf amplifier then he rectified the output.. I don?t think SM had and over unity device just an efficient dc to dc inverter utilizing RF principals. Remember no one has ever seen his device work for more than an hour. Because his batteries would go dead. Lets face it there are a lot of very smart people in here trying to get this device to work with no luck.
So either SM is a fraud or we are all being mislead.
I believe that that the keys to this over unity situation is in resonance, magnets and hi voltage.
More later
Magnetman777
So Magnetman777,
Your theory is what I was thinking, My idea was to use a circuit similar to what Dr Stiffler is using but use a small torrid instead for the oscillator (blocking oscillator) and use a single wire or small coil for the antenna from the oscillator and use one or two tuned receiver coils (cut to 1/4 wave length of the osc freq) for the output or collectors. I was figuring on a AV plug for rectification. all coils would use a single lead (single lead connection for the input and a single lead for the output. The output coil would use a stranded wire to increase output.
Am I close to your design or theory?
Oh I forgot to mention the use of the magnet is to provide the field to couple the coils and the earth field. I think I may be close to your design. I will be playing with my idea over xmas break (taking a week or so off from work and will have the time to test)
8)
Quote from: magnetman777 on December 16, 2007, 04:13:21 PM
Dear Gentlemen,
I have some good news. I have been able to create the same vibration in my coil as SM. I know how to do it. And why it vibrates. I also know why he puts a magnet on to the TPU to start it.
I have also made a circuit that can receive the Shumen resonance frequency at 7.3 Hz. I will sell the plan for the circuit for $ 25 a copy with a schematic and a parts list. I would appreciate that no one post this circuit .The circuit is easy to build and takes 1 night depending on your skill level. This circuit will hear all RF resonances from about 40 Hz down to 2 Hz. The output of this circuit can be driven into a audio amplifier or just observed on a scope. If you use a scope that has an X Y in put you can inject 7.3 Hz into X and let the circuit inject Y you can see the circle pattern when your generator is at the same frequency that the receiver is receiving on. I will be posting the circuit on eBay later this week. Or you can PM me direct for the circuit.
I have also figured out or have a good theory why SM is saying to use tubes. This pointing is not literal it is a clue. The clue is high voltage. Tubes work with high voltages. High voltage fields is what is necessary for the TPU to work. SM uses the word resonance to describe his theory?s . Being an RF guy I use that term a lot. Look up what is called a class C Rf amplifier this will explain why SM TPU has a high freq arc and DC on his output. Any coil that is pulsed near its resonant frequent will produce the highest field it can. If you measure the DC input of the class C amplifier when it is tuned to resonance it has its highest output and it draw the least amount of current. That is what makes it an efficient amplifier for a narrow band amplification. If you rectify the out put of and RF amplifier you will get the exact same effect as SM s output spark. What SM did was to make a 5000 Hz class C Rf amplifier then he rectified the output.. I don?t think SM had and over unity device just an efficient dc to dc inverter utilizing RF principals. Remember no one has ever seen his device work for more than an hour. Because his batteries would go dead. Lets face it there are a lot of very smart people in here trying to get this device to work with no luck.
So either SM is a fraud or we are all being mislead.
I believe that that the keys to this over unity situation is in resonance, magnets and hi voltage.
More later
Magnetman777
Magnetman777:
Congratulations! I like to believe you haver solved this diffilcilt problem with some intuitive efforts. I love to send you $25 to reward you for your efforts. However, how about first posting a short video to show us without ambuiguity the circuit actually works? Surely that's not too difficult? I hope you can do that for the good of all. Thanks
chrisC
@ All
I have spoken via phone with magnetman and he indeed has a circuit to receive the Shumann's Resonance. (A receiver) This is picked up as a sine wave and amplified. This can be seen on your scope. Magnetman wanted to see if it was a "real" thing himself, and he built the circuit. He has also placed this onto his controller.
He desires to sell the circuit to help further his TPU research. There are some HV transformers he needs, etc... adding up to hundreds more dollars. So that is his only reason for selling the circuit and not giving it away. I can tell you that the circuit is legit. What you do with it, or how you experiment with it, is of course up to you.
I also learned more detail about the vibrating coil and magnet. It ONLY VIBRATES IF THERE IS PLASTIC BETWEEN THE MAGNET AND COIL!!!! He discovered this by accident. Without the plastic the magnets just stick. With the plastic washer, between the magnet and coil, when resonance is reached, full vibration begins. I think this is a SIGNIFICANT FIND!!.
Magnetman also has a patent #6194978. So he does know his stuff. His contributions will be helpful to everyone.
Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Hi Magnetman777,
congratulations.
If you don?t want to win theOverUnity Prize
and make it open source,
please at least show us some
proof of your working device.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Hi all I will try and make a video and post it . I am not sure how to change my cam corder into a smaller compressed video but i can make an avi. I ll try and post it .The receiver I made has a fet for the front end and several filter stages. i am going to make a DSP circuit for . If you use the circuit and the XY of your scope you will be able to see the Lissajous pattern at roughly 8 Hz .this will vary on the accuracy of your generator .I have a digital generator and the freq says 7.8 Hz .
Starcruiser I am not using a toriod in the receiver
Thanks MM
What can you do with this incredibly low frequency? Do you think there's usable power there? Maybe you could transmit something a really really long distance! Like power? Ooo it's worth a try!
Quote from: Super God on December 16, 2007, 10:00:26 PM
What can you do with this incredibly low frequency? Do you think there's usable power there? Maybe you could transmit something a really really long distance! Like power? Ooo it's worth a try!
@ SG
That is actually a good question. MM and I also discussed this. We came up with a couple of good experiments.
1. Make resonance of coil to match receiver, and then over ride with VHF
2. MM explained that RF band carriers when 'interrupted' produce spikes of power. (Kicks!) So things are done to either keep that from happening or filtering it out. Now, I remember SM saying that, "So many things go by that are seen, and no one stops to ask, why?"
Well I asked, why the spikes, and can something be done with those spikes/kicks if you had enough of them fast send off? I also asked what if he 'interrupted' the received signal from the Shuman's would there be a spike? MM replied, "Yes, and it is much easier to 'interrupt' the signal at VLF, just a few transistors. Interrupt it enough times per second, to produce those kicks and you have "perhaps" some usable power. MM agreed to experiment with this line of thought, also.
Holiday Cheers, ;D
Bruce
It's times like this when I wish I could just synthesize some tubes and wire and just experiment away, but money is still scarce! Argh, I asked for the circuit, so maybe someday I'll toy around with it if I wind up buying it. It should be cool to transmit power or interrupt waves or interrupt transmitted power waves or whatever. Interrupt the interrupted waves. Yup. I'm sleepy.
Do you accept paypal? 25 bux is really quite minimal if you have some groovy info.
Hello all,
I think Im dreaming. I have a nightmare.
Otto
Otto,
Excuse my german "aber was is lose?"
AM
Hello AM,
you and a lot of people are reading what magnetman wrote.
He has a vibration at the Schumann frequency. Fine. I have it also with a 245kHz + a frequency in the range of 10 - 50kHz. So what.
He has a clue: to use a high or better to say a higher voltage from a power supply. Fine. He didnt read my post that Im using 24V and I want to use 250DC from a power supply like the voltage for a tubes plate and the current is the same for 12VDC or 24VDC or.....
Sms batteries would go dead after 1 hour and this is the reason nobody saw his device working longer!!!......
Yes, SM is a fraud and I have worked for almost 2 years so somebody can say to me that Im on a wrong way.
But be sure, Im on a right way!!!!
AM, I know youre a good, clever guy but I was told, like the other people, that we have to use HIGH frequencies......
Otto
I hope I dont have to discuss here deeper what Im thinking and doing with my TPU.
Otto
Every little piece of information is helping to fill in the jigsaw. We don't know the full story yet. May be SM's batteries
ran out after 20 minutes but what was the p_out/p_in? This ship has a long way to go yet.
AM
SM's batteries never ran dead after an hour! ;)
The problem with running any of the TPU's for more than 2 or 3 hours was over heating caused by eddy currents. Once the TPU was allowed to cool, it would once again run for 2 or 3 hours until once again the over heating caused by eddy currents would force it to have to be turned off.
I suggest that everyone reread the engineers report, as well as the battery comparison furnished by one of the engineers.
Never once did the batteries run dead.
Having said all of that, this circuit is cool because it is a receiver. It allows you to receive and see the amplified sine wave from the shuman's.
@ Otto
The vibrating coil and magnet is an entire other experiment by MM. And the vibration should be felt
on ANY coil, if you simply place a piece of plastic between the magnet and coil, when it reaches the resonant frequency of the coil.
Holiday Cheers,
Bruce
Quote from: btentzer on December 16, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
Well I asked, why the spikes, and can something be done with those spikes/kicks if you had enough of them fast send off? I also asked what if he 'interrupted' the received signal from the Shuman's would there be a spike? MM replied, "Yes, and it is much easier to 'interrupt' the signal at VLF, just a few transistors. Interrupt it enough times per second, to produce those kicks and you have "perhaps" some usable power. MM agreed to experiment with this line of thought, also.
Holiday Cheers, ;D
Bruce
Perhaps interrupt with radioactive rays like Hubbard and Stubblefield?
Hans von Lieven
gee this is neat...
i think i am also going for the bucks $$$$.
you are right the tpu is a fraud.
what a waste of time.
Well, this is all fine and dandy...
Another good thing spoiled by greed.
thaelin
I would hardly call this greed. My first reaction was the same as you but then again if this guy wants to buy equipment to finance further research then why not.
We all have different back grounds and different financial status and that is a fact.
hey i had nothing to start with...
then i worked my ass off for a little bit of money to buy equipment and tubes etc..
i can't imagine selling stuff to buy things.
i would rather give my findings away, as i did many times in the past.
i think people who try to make money off this so called open source project are indeed greedy and only thinking about them selfs.
afterall this isn't about money, is it?
we need to work together on a non profit base.
M.
Hello all,
The link to the video to see the receiver is http://youtube.com/magnetman777
please write if there are any questions or comments
MM
Hello all
Please read my patent on interrupt modulation It describes the kicks and what causes them. patent # 6194978. Try and interrupt a carrier that is at the resonate frequency of your coil . The kicks will be there.
Marco I sell technology for a living not for fun. My work is valuable and fair priced not a give away.Has Steven Marks given you anything but vague clues.So don't knock me for trying to bring some well needed milestones to this party.At least my stuff is documented and works no guessing! But you will have succsess at the end of the night of building with my stuff.
Please let me know about your kicks .If you need interrupt circuits I have them Interruput Modulation is 1 way to make kicks.
I also have various C code for pic chips that do many functions.
Thanks
MM
PS Marco sounds jealous
I think as long as magnetman777 keeps his offerings affordable, then that is great. ;)
Regards,
~Dan
Quote from: magnetman777 on December 18, 2007, 11:34:19 PM
Hello all
PS Marco sounds jealous
Hahaha sure.
Youre just in for the money.....what a shame....
M.
the pricing is very reasonable. an IFR1200 is like 5 grand on Ebay. I wish I had one!
Everyone should commend People who pickup a soldering iron and actually attempt to make things work
His time is worth just as much as mine and its well worth a few shillings for his work. his receiver setup
that he has has other applications not just the TPU.
So if you want the circuit, Put a crowbar in your wallet and crack it open. call it R+D costs.
Quote from: magnetman777 on December 18, 2007, 11:11:43 PM
Hello all,
The link to the video to see the receiver is http://youtube.com/magnetman777
please write if there are any questions or comments
MM
Hi MM,
I just watched the video:
Hi Magnetman,
well done, but it seems to be just a filter
to extract some low millivolts Shumann waves.
but it seems you need more power to run the
IC circuits than you extract from the Shumann frequeny, right ?
So what is the difference to a notch filter at 7.3 to 7.8 Hz ?
Quote from: magnetman777 on December 18, 2007, 11:34:19 PM
Hello all
Please read my patent on interrupt modulation It describes the kicks and what causes them. patent # 6194978. Try and interrupt a carrier that is at the resonate frequency of your coil . The kicks will be there.
Do you mean this patent ?
http://www.google.com/patents?id=jgwGAAAAEBAJ
It looks like a normal binary AM modulation
of a RF carrier.
Only at the binary switch pulse edge you have some spikes.
Why does this relate to your Schuhman filter unit ?
Can you run the filter unit without a power supply ?
How do you supply power for the ICs onboard of it ?
Many thanks.
Free:
http://www.vlf.it/re_2/schumannsearch.html
http://www.vlf.it/Schumann/schumann.htm
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/inspire/index.html
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/inspire/2007/VLF3RadioReceiver.htm
Marzio
Guys, this is an open forum and a lot of people have done good work here and revealed lots of important info, so if you need a circuit, ask for it and somebody will post it, but don't run out and throw money away. Hopefully most people have common sense.
What I have seen in the video is not impressive to me, in fact I have done the same thing before with a few Op-Amps to amplify weak signals.
You can also browse the internet and find circuits to receive Schuman signals, all for free. Like this for example: http://www.aavso.org/observing/programs/solar/gyrator.shtml
Just do a search on the Internet, you'll be surprised what you find.
I know some people try to make a buck or two to further their career, and that's ok, but it better be something NOVEL AND USEFULL. The posted patent is certainly not novel, the patent office must be slacking off again :)
As far as vibrations, I know all about it and so do a few of you out there.
EM