@ all
I don't know if a topic like this have ever be here:
* we are all wanting a free energy device easy to build
* we are all searching for new ideas on many many supports!!...
* we have all one part of the truth
* we have all knowledge at a different levels
(ingeneer, teatchers.., common boys , simple workers , electronicians ....)
* we haven't the same imagination !
* we all want to win the overunity prize ***!
* we all spending plenty of money to build devices , sometimes to throw it by the window ...
* we all want to power our home with F E or we all want it for the world !
THE IDEA IS ...
CHOOSING A TYPE OF DEVICE (components motions or not)
AND MAKE ONE PROJECT OUR ALL PROJECT :
A LOW COST F E DEVICE FOR ALL
Yes it's a lot of work !
yes ... many ideas are only our ideas ...
but I think WE must invent together !
Is it so impossible ?
How many hidden patent which are sleeping !...
Thinking the simplest is the better , and following a list of specifications, can we do that ?
Can we make this forum saturated of good ideas ?
I'm tired to search for hours on the web for nothing !
I'm tired to fight for energy.. I want energy = no problem !
We have all ideas !
I don't want to shortcut stephan idea about OU prize .no... it's a good idea . I think we must think different because O U wants us to !
so what are you thinking everybody ?
??? AM I fool ?
OK ... :D
HOT SUBJECT!
don't touch !
you can be burnedddd!!
<<Hi Titof
I know exactly what you are talking about... I too been doing R&D more then 20 yrs. I have seen a lots of video's of ou devices online "like everyone else" so for after all this time of reseach I was able to creat this siple circuit that is ou with out a doubt or a question.
I offered to public as a gift. In the hope that people will use it and even someone will develope it further then I have done.
See the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI)
and Exact circuit here http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html (http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html)
When I posted this news here about 6 months go few questioned me "like FBI agents" and debunked the device all together.
But I know that this circuit is true and and working. If you have access to welding transformer try it, if you will.
You'll be amazed how much access back emf energy in return you'll get.
If you try this circuit and use charged battery, limit the input amps to the circuit by using wire resistor
or use discharged car battery to power the circuit.
This circuit needs to be more refined to be able to turn into a product. But as is do in deed demostrates ou.
Mem>>
hey!
yes, i think too, thats the answer!
i think the goal is to search, search, search - google is very intelligent - the key is "how to search"...
very good things are in russian too...
lets start! :-)
@ Mem:
Great video!!!! I don't understand the back emf principle yet but it was way brighter without any added power or volts.
@ titof:
I think what you are proposing is already going on, to some extent. What I mean is that I feel that a lot of the different topics here are more related than we know right now. Dr. Stiffler, earth batteries, back emf, micro tpu, etc. I think we are all playing with the same thing in a slightly different manner. I think Stefan did a service to the world by creating and maintaining this site.
Bill
<<Bill, yes a lots of people are working with the similar devices. This back emf thing, that I am working with.
The one that I am working with, I feel is quite simple device since all the parts are off the shelf materials.
and yet has the ability demonstrate ou.
Device simply works with pulse DC. you pulse the power into a giant transformer (my transformer is 98 lbs) and collect the collopse back electro magnetic field, thats all there is to it.
The way I see this circuit that works is like this:
Imagine large pendulum your start pushsing this thing back and forth, after while you only need small amount energy to keep the pendulum going, right. Then once you get this thing going each time that pendulum will swing back to you will also do free work for you. That swing back energy is far greater then input energy.
But, back EMF is far better then pendulum because electricty has no pysical weight therefore can start and stop vvery quickly. Since there is no armautre or anything like that, start and stop causes no problem at all.
As of this evening, the circuit is able to clearly shows eccess output energy.
1-At the out of the circuit 15 Watt AC (wire resistor) bulb that brightly glows. (Normaly this bulb won't glow with 12 V battery.
2-Or I use this motor as a load (see it herehttp://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007121801551907&item=10-2190&catname= (http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007121801551907&item=10-2190&catname=)) normaly this motor runs with 12 V battery very slowly. But when I turn the circuit on motor slowly starts to eccelerate to very high speed.
I bured up, many 12 volt (automobile) bulbs. With the flash they go, I am not going to use them any more.
If I video tape this, will be very impressive.
Mem>>
@ bill
"@ titof:
I think what you are proposing is already going on, to some extent. What I mean is that I feel that a lot of the different topics here are more related than we know right now. Dr. Stiffler, earthbatteries, back emf, micro tpu, etc. I think we are all playing with the same thing in a slightly different manner. I think Stefan did a service to the world by creating and maintaining this site.
Bill"
Yes ! It's true but my think was " take the experience of all and focalize it in a project we would choose together for a simple device"
Maybe this post is a sword hit in the water .... :P
Quote from: Mem on December 17, 2007, 04:16:49 PM
<<Hi Titof
I know exactly what you are talking about... I too been doing R&D more then 20 yrs. I have seen a lots of video's of ou devices online "like everyone else" so for after all this time of reseach I was able to creat this siple circuit that is ou with out a doubt or a question.
I offered to public as a gift. In the hope that people will use it and even someone will develope it further then I have done.
See the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlOP2LD-IpI)
and Exact circuit here http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html (http://backemf.onewithall.net/html/mehmet_circuit.html)
When I posted this news here about 6 months go few questioned me "like FBI agents" and debunked the device all together.
But I know that this circuit is true and and working. If you have access to welding transformer try it, if you will.
You'll be amazed how much access back emf energy in return you'll get.
If you try this circuit and use charged battery, limit the input amps to the circuit by using wire resistor
or use discharged car battery to power the circuit.
This circuit needs to be more refined to be able to turn into a product. But as is do in deed demostrates ou.
Mem>>
Hey Mehmet, nice vids and thanks for posting this circuit and your experiments! :)
It does indeed appear to have some similarities to the Stiffler-, Newman, and Bedini circuits.
But where the Newman and Bedini designs pulse a motor to generate the back emf, you're using trafo collapse...
And looking at your video of the lamp it seems you are indeed doing so quite effectively.
Very interesting!
I hope you will continue to share your findings on this forum?
Thanks for sharing, and good luck with your experiments!
MEM !
very interesting !
it is like "FUELLESSPOWER.com motor" except they pulse 200 to 1000 volts to run a magnetic motor through a tesla flat coil ! interesting too
your device is cousin with MEG ... isn't it ? :)
Doesn't look like a cousin to the MEG at all...
The MEG uses pulses to guide the magnetic 'flux' from a permanent magnet along the 'right' and 'left' side of a magnetic core alternately,
thereby inducing a transformer-like pickup of the pm flux in the secondaries.
This appears to pulse a normal transformer, without 'intercepting' the flux from a permanent magnet at all.
In fact, seems like a less complicated setup to build than the MEG.
Doesn't even use a permanent magnet at any point.
Big difference. MEG's OU output supposedly comes straight from the permanent magnet. In Mehmets circuit it seems to come from the
collapse of the magnetic field in the transformer... Which makes for the interesting question of where the excess energy comes from.
Is it part of the Heaviside component that gets absorbed when the trafos field collapses?
Not that I mind much, as long as it works ;)
Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.
BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vice versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage it will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.
So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.
I know this by fact because I use the BEMF principle in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.
Oh
I must go in deep of my think.
Why MEG : like some device with coils ...
Exciting a magnet trought a coil makes me thinking an elastic material which be pulled in the aether
and when you release it ... it gives like a shaking hit in the coils ... and a big amount of energy ...
( this image was tesla's on memory) "the eather is elastic..."
that's wright MEG isn't really a cousin ... ;D
The MEG is using a magnet as power source. It's not relying the BEMF to provide OU.
And so far there is no proof of the MEG really working.
Quote from: Honk on December 18, 2007, 11:08:18 AM
Before you all get to worked up I should tell you that there is no OU to be gained from Back EMF.
Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!! Above statement is not accurate!
Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.
Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.
Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return
Mem.
BEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vise versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage at will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.
So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.
I know this by fact because I use the the BEMF in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.
Quote from: Mem on December 18, 2007, 12:57:55 PM
Honk, do your experiments for before you quote from text books!!! Above statement is not accurate!
Do the experiment as outlined above circuit and make sure you use 98 lbs transformer...
You'll see big energy that returns, totaly amazing to see.
Return is low voltage with high amp's. I put in 3 amps (with current limiting wire resistor) return was more then 10 amps
digital miter keep going blank... When amps passes the reading limit.
Anyway, got to go...
So much to be said about this... This is not a Tesla or another coil... The Transformer (in not an air core)
is heavy mass 98 bls. this means a real power return
Mem.
Well, in all cases so far known to man, when there have been reported more out then in by an AC transformer setup, then
its either faked or the measurements are just flawed due to bad knowledge and inferior instruments.
One of the most fundamental errors made is when people don't know about the reading errors of bad instruments when
the AC voltage and AC current is out of phaze. And this happens almost always when anything else than resistive loads is used.
But if this 98 lbs transformer experiment is as good as the guy says. then why not test the claimed overunity by closing the
circuitry into a self runner. If it runs then Statement Proven. If not then his setup is not working.
By the way, I don't need to read textbooks. I know by my daily work that Back EMF is not the key to overunity.
QuoteBEMF is simply a transformation of voltage from one level to another. The energy level is not increased.
When you apply voltage to a coil it will conduct, radiate magnetic flux and get saturated.
When the voltage is taken of the coil it strives to maintain its voltage level.
In this process it flips the voltage stored in the coil. Positive pin will become negative and vise versa.
If there is no load to take care of the reversed voltage at will shoot sky high, multiplying many times,
a lot higher than the applied voltage, but the current level of the BEMF will decrease at the same rate.
So, simply put:
The BEMF = Input Energy - Losses = Output Energy in reverse. No OU to be gained here. Period.
I know this by fact because I use the the BEMF in my daily work when designing Switched power supplies.
Recycling the BEMF of switched power supplies is the reason of them reaching those high efficiencies of 90% or more.
Mem,
I already told you this several months ago on this forum. Why are you still perpetuating this BS?
THERE IS NO OVERUNITY IN INDUCTIVE KICKBACK....PERIOD!Folks, listen to what Honk said, because he is
100% correct.
Thankyou zpe and honk.
We know that using BEMF will not achieve the results the people here are looking for.
The problem is that the effects of BEMF can be spectacular depending on the load and how fast the inductor is switched off. And just like the night fireworks the reaction is 'OOOHHH WAAAHH'
The conclusion then is 'There must be SOMETHING here!'
Yet another proof of: 'A little knowledge can be dangerous'
Unfortunately, it won't matter what we say. They will persist. The mind is a powerful force.
ERS
EDIT: BTW Back EMF has been understood for a long long long time.
Take your IC petrol engine for example.
The coil gets charged up, then gets switched off inducing a huge voltage across the spark plug contacts. And bang, you get a lovely little spark!
Mr. z-p-e
I don't pastulate formulas like you do. What I do is research and expereiments, results are self evident.
You can choose to ignore or bs... That's your opinion, and you can do what ever you wish to do or say!
On the other hand, in the name of science and discovery new devices will continoue no matter what,
you or others may say!
As it did before you were born and shall continue so after you are gone, too...
12 car battery can't turn 15 Watt AC bulb.
If a 15 Watt AC (wire resistant) light bulb glows brightly, as soon as I turn the switch then
you know there has to be voltage and amps to make that bulb glow.
Likewise Some times I use 130 VDC 2.5 HP PM MOTOR as a load too. Normaly this motor runs slowly
with 12 V car battery. When the b emf circuit is on, this motor starts to eccelerate to a very high speed.
The difference while 130 VDC 2.5 HP PM MOTOR runs with battery v/s b emf is it can't debunk!
As the saying goes: You take the horse around the world and you show the animal all kinds of
wonders and amazing things, but horse returns home horse again!
Let he who has an ear, hear the message and to him that hear's it more shall be given...
Mem.
Mem, you brought up a very good point that most don?t understand. Most are thinking that once the source is used, the source then evaporates in to the air and or leaving very little behind. That is not the case and I have tried to explain ways to some here that they should at least try out.
The biggest problem with people is that they don?t know what electricity even is. They want to produce it but yet they don?t have a clue what it is. Based on that, how in the heck can they find the most efficient way to utilize it if they don?t even know what it is. That is why I started the thread "What is electricity". We must first find out what it is and then move forward from there.
Mem,
You are seeing only what you want to see, and only what you are able to see with the eye-glasses you currently are wearing.
The problem is that evidently, you have no understanding of basic Ohm's law. You are using a 15W 110VAC bulb and a 130V DC motor as a means of certifying you have overunity, when in fact that proves absolutely nothing at all...even though you can light the bulb and turn the motor.
To understand what is happening, Ohm's law must be put into action. You can get large power output from a 12V car battery.......IF you know how. Let's use your lightbulb as an example to show you why the 12V battery does not light the bulb, but the 12V battery powering your inductive kickback circuit will.
Your 15W 110V light bulb has a resistance of about 800 Ohms. This is using the formula R=V^2/P. If you now connect this 15W bulb directly up to your 12V battery, you will only be able to dissipate 0.18 Watts in the bulb. That is 0.18 Watts ! Do you think that is enough to light the bulb? Of course it is not.
Do you know why high-end car audio amplifiers use special power supplies? The reason is because you are limited to how much power you can drive the speakers to with only a 12V supply. So what do they do to fix this problem? They generate a high voltage supply using switching power supply circuits, and will raise the supply up to about + and - 30 Volts DC. Now when driving the car speakers, they can achieve a decent power output.
It is exactly the same problem with your 15W bulb. It is meant to dissipate 15W with 110V input. You are only giving it 12V input. So now by using your inductive kickback circuit, you are creating a high voltage pulsed DC voltage which will light the bulb. Your circuit is an up-converter. Your circuit is a DC-to-DC converter. Call it what you want, the effect is there and the reason is now clear.
If you had the proper test equipment, you could measure the current from your 12V battery, and you would see that when connected directly to the bulb, there would be virtually no current there....only a mere 15 mA or so. Now connect your battery to your kickback circuit driving the lightbulb, and watch your current measurement increase to over 1 Ampere.
If you still can't see the light after this explanation, then you'll just be fooling yourself until you do. And that goes for the rest of the folks here that are buying into this falsehood.
z_p_e, I am glad you brought up the speaker. Do you and or others know what actually powers a speaker?
Has anyone ever actually tested the EMF and or collapsing fields voltage from a speaker?
Has anyone ever checked the voltage created by just vibrating the speaker cone?
Has anyone checked the voltage created the EMF by just vibrating a speaker?
That would be a very interesting experiment if it has not been done yet. If it has, does anyone have a link to a site with those findings?
I know what actually powers a speaker but I still would like to know some answers to the other questions. Those findings may lead some in to another way of producing electricity.
Quote from: Honk on December 18, 2007, 12:15:24 PM
The MEG is using a magnet as power source. It's not relying the BEMF to provide OU.
And so far there is no proof of the MEG really working.
Really? So that's why they got a patent on the thing, right? Because it was never proven to work?
Perhaps you should read up some more...
They got their US patent granted in 2002 already. To get a patent you need to have proof.
(see http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/bnsviewer?CY=ch&LG=fr&DB=EPD&PN=US6362718&ID=US+++6362718B1+I+ for patent)
I do wonder why we still haven't seen any MEGs for sale though... Seems to me you can start production not long after getting the patent,
and the first commercial versions should be available 5 years later... Strange... You think they got an "offer they couldn't refuse"? ;)
Oh, and @ z_p_e: your explanation sounds correct... However, if he's powering a 110V AC bulb, then not only does it mean he is upping the voltage from 12V to 110V, nearly 10 times as high, which according to normal transformer rules means the 12V input DC should increase almost 10 times in amperage, like you have stated, BUT
will a 110V AC bulb light up continually if no AC is put in?
will the bulb emit light when powered off 110V DC pulses, in the same way as it would when powered off 110V AC ?
I don't think so...
Now I don't know if Mehmets bulb actually does light up just like it would when hooked into a 110V AC feed,
but if it does, I would assume it wasn't DC pulses powering it...??
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 08:47:31 AM
They got their US patent granted in 2002 already. To get a patent you need to have proof.
You don't need proof of any kind to get a patent. That's an old misconception still hanging around.
It's not an actual device your are patenting, it's the idea of a certain device or function you patent and protect.
I know this by fact because the company where I work file several patents applications every year without ever building any units.
But having a big patent portfolio will give a company something to deal with in case of a lawsuit or some other situation.
Transverse and Longitudinal electric waves. Lab demonstration with Eric Dollard, Tom Brown and Peter Lindemann. Specially focusing on Tesla's longitudinal electricity.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549
- Schpankme
Really?
I thought they had instated the demand for proof around the 1950s after they had figured out that half of the patents granted since 1900 were totally useless because the described technology simply didn't work. And they had granted the patents because there was no need for proof back then...
Are you really saying they reverted back to that practise? So you don't actually have to show any form of proof to get a patent?
That seems more than a little odd to me...
What then differentiates a patented design from a fantasy? Nothing? You can once again patent designs without any more proof than your own fantasy and wishfull thinking?
I thought actual science was involved in reviewing a patent application, and that it had to pass quite rigid testing before any patent was granted...
At least, when I want to patent my invention in the Netherlands, I need to show them a working version along with documented measurements and supporting theory. They will not give a patent based solely on a set of measurements and theory. Which makes sense; anyne can make up a set of data that accord with some theory and appear to show the claimed effect, in order to dupe the patent office into granting the patent.
Think about it, in the case of the MEG. Just imagine you work at the patent office, and here comes Bearden with a folder full of data and formulae, and says to you "We have invented a motionless electromagnetic generator, that extracts usable electrical energy straight from a permanent magnet. Give us a patent please?"...
You really deem it logical that you (or any other patent guy) would reply "Ah but of course sir. Hundreds of people have tried to do that and failed in the past, but since I like your beard so much here you go, here's a patent, no questions asked. No, no, we don't need to see your device actually producing the claimed over unity output. If you say so, we believe it. Have a nice day!" ??
I don't think you have really performed any patent applications yourself.
Your are still just leading people into misconceptions about the patent process.
Myself I have at least one invention that was granted a patent.
It was simply a shielding box made of aluminum to minimize the magnetic radiation
from a high frequency and high voltage Backlight inverter, used in LCD displays.
I can tell you that I did not have to show the patent office any box or working unit.
I just sent in the drawings along with the applictions forms.
Voila, 1 year later, Patent granted. No questions asked, No device shown. Period.
And this is everyday practice. There is no need for a working device.
When an idea of a new invention is discovered then there is no time to loose by building it.
If this was the case, then others could outrun you in the race to finish a working device.
Fortunately the patent offices don't require this anymore, perhaps in the old days, but not nowadays.
This topic have been discussed before here at OU forum.
And other people with real knowledge about the patent process will tell you the same thing. Period.
Ok, if you say so...
But then what happens if the invention turns out not to work?
And are you talking US patents, EU patents, or International patents here?
I do know that the scope for patents is much wider in the US than it is in the EU...
Perhaps in the US you don't need proof, but in the EU or certain EU countries you do?
Seems to me that a patent without any proof is much like a prospectus without a product... ;)
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 11:00:37 AM
But then what happens if the invention turns out not to work?
Nothing, nobody cares, there is no follow-up. The idea is forgotten and buried.
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 11:00:37 AM
And are you talking US patents, EU patents, or International patents here?
I do know that the scope for patents is much wider in the US than it is in the EU...
There might be countries or cases that require closer examination, if they have the time....
But it's not really a physical thing you patent, it's the rights to an idea.
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 11:00:37 AM
Perhaps in the US you don't need proof, but in the EU or certain EU countries you do?
I live in Sweden. No need to show any "hardware" here.
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 11:00:37 AM
Seems to me that a patent without any proof is much like a prospectus without a product... ;)
Just like an idea. Most ideas stay ideas and never get actualised.
But if you have the rights to an idea then you can demand royalities if someone wants to use it.
Quote from: Koen1 on December 19, 2007, 08:47:31 AM
Oh, and @ z_p_e: your explanation sounds correct... However, if he's powering a 110V AC bulb, then not only does it mean he is upping the voltage from 12V to 110V, nearly 10 times as high, which according to normal transformer rules means the 12V input DC should increase almost 10 times in amperage, like you have stated, BUT
will a 110V AC bulb light up continually if no AC is put in?
will the bulb emit light when powered off 110V DC pulses, in the same way as it would when powered off 110V AC ?
I don't think so...
Now I don't know if Mehmets bulb actually does light up just like it would when hooked into a 110V AC feed,
but if it does, I would assume it wasn't DC pulses powering it...??
Koen,
How well a bulb lights has nothing to do with whether it is an AC or DC source powering it. The "perceived quality" of the light may be different (AC flickering for example), but the effective radiated light is dependent only on RMS power dissipated in the bulb. You can have equal RMS power in a bulb whether it is sine wave, square wave, pulsed DC, or pure DC....it does not matter one bit. All that matters in regards to heating elements and bulbs (a form of heating element) is RMS power.
Less RMS power = less radiated light or heat. Simple as that.
There is no such thing as an AC or DC bulb. They will all work with both if they are incandescents. Just do not exceed the RMS power rating.
@mem,
i wish i could show you my system, i have a system running on a regular automotive 12v dc battery that is providing all of my lighting needs, runs my refridgerator, while at the same time, provide different power for several different voltages for electronic divices i use daily, from 4.5 volts dc all the way up to my 120vac, television!!! all this and it can still provide power for my drill, and saw simutaniously!!! so never stop dreaming. how about a schematic of your home device. my system uses all off the shelf products, and once you understand ohms law you too can do all of these seemingly miraculous things really very easily.
lol
sam
Quote from: z_p_e on December 19, 2007, 12:28:41 PM
There is no such thing as an AC or DC bulb. They will all work with both if they are incandescents. Just do not exceed the RMS power rating.
Well that's what I thought as well.
Untill I read your own post, which clearly states:
QuoteMem,
You are seeing only what you want to see, and only what you are able to see with the eye-glasses you currently are wearing.
The problem is that evidently, you have no understanding of basic Ohm's law. You are using a 15W 110VAC bulb and a 130V DC motor as a means of certifying you have overunity, when in fact that proves absolutely nothing at all...even though you can light the bulb and turn the motor.
I was actually merely going along with your story there, and wondered what exactly the difference might be in power use if we did have AC bulbs like you said...
So it seems to me like you are trying to explain to me why your own statement was incorrect. Which leaves one to wonder how much of your explanation is... ;)
Koen,
You're twisting words and ideas around.
Everything I have said stands on its own. I was not trying to do anything other than make two separate points. And that is exactly what I did. Do not confuse the two.
Also, if all you can do is "go along" with what I said without trying to understand it, how can I hope to explain your erroneous assumptions?
Folks that have little or no electrical or electronics background should either pay attention to those that do, or they should do their own homework before making these kind of comments.
<<Hi everyone,
Here is what I have found just now!
All of this back emf circuits that
I have been testing and working all along,
After taking careful measurements I have seen that
There is no ou at all!
All the access energy that appears to be
Actually comes from the battery...
Because of this I?ll take down the website as well as the youtube video.
I don?t want to mislead people.
I apologized greatly if I hurt anyone?s feeling (not knowingly)
By supporting the idea that there was an ou in back emf circuit.
I did this out of total ignorance, as I have forgotten to take proper
measurements, to realize this simple truth.
I am terribly sorry!
Mem.
@ Mem:
Hey, there is no harm in following something that looks promising right? If what you are now saying is true then, so what? At least you tried it and now, on to something else. I appreciate your efforts.
Bill
Quote from: z_p_e on December 19, 2007, 08:14:16 PM
Koen,
You're twisting words and ideas around.
Yeah sure, whatever dude. Fact remains it was you who mentioned an "AC bulb".
You can act all holier than thou and try to claim some form of authority, and you can try to make me look bad,
but that's the fact. You brought it up, I expanded on it hypothetically, and then you try to burn me down for using your AC bulb?
Sorry but that doesn't really fly.
@mem
It's easy to make a mistake. We ALL do it.
Admitting it is difficult, publicly, moreso.
I say to you, well done. Welcome back to reality.
ERS
@mem
This happened to me many, many times. This kind of energy is very difficult to measure. Keep trying. As says k4zep, it is always a lot of fun.
Good luck,
Ney
QuoteAll the access energy that appears to be
Actually comes from the battery...
Well done Mem. You discovered exactly what I said you would find.
@koen,
Well, I guess you can see now that what I posted was reality. No "proof" needed, and in fact the numbers speak for themselves.
I had no intention of making anyone look bad, including Mem. The fact is folks DO NOT LISTEN sometimes, and sometimes a firmer approach is necessary. It got Mem to look closer at his setup and take a measurement at the battery, didn't it? The truth was then discovered right?
What is your problem with the AC or DC bulb anyway? Bulbs can be rated at whatever voltage and power that you desire. A bulb is a piece of wire with resistance, and to a certain degree inductance. So what? Well, if it's fundamentally a piece of wire, I should be able to power it with AC or DC, or whatever wave form I wish. What is your hangup with this concept ? It has very little relevance to the discussion whether inductive kickback is a form of ou.
The point of bringing up AC and DC loads is because Mem brought it up first. "AC" and "DC" are usually not even printed on a bulb (at least the 110V variety). It matters not whether it is AC or DC. 110V RMS is all that matters, if you want to get the rated power from your bulb.
So for your own sake, get "AC Bulb" out of your head, it means nothing. Go look at your bulbs in the house....does it say 110V (or maybe 120V), AND AC? Probably not. It will say 110V, 100W for example. No indication of wave form type...why? Because it does not matter. The 110V is referring to a RMS voltage, simple as that. The ONLY relevance "AC" or "DC" does have is the type of mating socket fixture. I repeated Mem's "110VAC" because I assumed he meant the type that one uses in your standard AC light socket. If you want to hang me for that, then fill your boots.
If you want to discuss electronics or electrical with or without numbers, and you disagree with my explanations (and you have an analysis of your own), then fine we can discuss it. Anything else is just unproductive..
Quote from: supersam on December 19, 2007, 12:34:21 PM
@mem,
i wish i could show you my system, i have a system running on a regular automotive 12v dc battery that is providing all of my lighting needs, runs my refridgerator, while at the same time, provide different power for several different voltages for electronic divices i use daily, from 4.5 volts dc all the way up to my 120vac, television!!! all this and it can still provide power for my drill, and saw simutaniously!!! so never stop dreaming. how about a schematic of your home device. my system uses all off the shelf products, and once you understand ohms law you too can do all of these seemingly miraculous things really very easily.
lol
sam
What a load of crap!
@ergo,
trust me when i say you can find all of this in my rv ( recreational vehicle) not rotoverter!
;)
lol
sam
Oppps, Sorry for flaming you.
I get it now. Major LOL!!!!!!
Ok guys !
I Iearn something every time I start a topic ;D ;D
I 've bought the "free energy generation" book from cheniere.org (bearden and bedini)
A lot to learn too !
Supersam, is your device a bedini replic' ?
Is any one here have allready tried to make it ?
After all , they worked on it since twenty years...
Why not build this device... ;)
I 'll maybe move or close this topic?...
titoff,
pleas understand my system is nothing unusual, although i wish it were and will keep pursuing this goal until it is. my system is not over unity. it is simply a twelve volt system that comes standard in most recreational vehecles, ( campers). i was only wanting to point out to mem that there alot of different variables that go into determining whether a system actually is making more power than it consumes. as honk and zpe and others ponted out in ee. my refridgerator runs on either 12vdc or 120vac, my lights have both a 12vdc bulb and a120vac, with a inverter i can prduce 1200watts of ac from my 12vdc batteries two in parralel to run various dc transformers to charge batteries for my cell phone,cordless tools, laptop etc. while still watching television. however, believe me i have tried, i can't plug my battery charger into the inverter and charge my batteries. so i am still here i hope mem is still here, and everyone else. there alot of very smart individuals on this forum that are all still seeking the same thing in different ways. our knowledge continues to grow and i think on day we will find the magic!! just not this time maybe but who knows what may have been inspired!! keep at it. it has to be out there somewhere!
lol
sam