My answer: electricity is the result of charges in motion.
There is electricity without magnetism ( batteries, lightning, piezoelectricity... ) but there is no magnetism without electricity ( even on permanent magnets. Electrons are spinning on themselves, you know; scientists call this the particle spin! )
I'd go as far as: there is no magnetism at all. Just like allcanadian said a while ago, eh! ( Well, there is a magnetic effect, yes, but it can be simply explained by interactions between moving or accelerating charges. It seems to me the concept of magnetic field is a nuisance to our understanding of the real nature of electromagnetism. )
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Quote from: Crane on December 19, 2007, 09:09:53 PM
My answer: electricity is the result of charges in motion.
I'd go as far as: there is no magnetism at all. Just like allcanadian said a while ago, eh!
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Crane, there is no such thing as a electron unless it is referred to as a piece of a frequency. A charge is nothing more then a vibration. The amount of charges are based on the amount of vibrations in a confined area. The strength of a charge is based on the amount of vibrations per second.
The theory is as I said and you can not go against it because it is impossible to find electricity to be anything else other then what I stated in my theory.
Here is a question I just recieved that may be use full for helping others understand the concept:
Tom, I have a question about what you wrote. Just looking at a snippet of what you wrote above:
> A magnetic field is nothing more then a spinning frequency creating a vacuum that has a resistance to its self as both a positive and a negative.
All magnets create magnetic fields. There are different kinds of magnets that you may have in the home or garage, whether a straight bar magnet, or a U-shaped magnet, or even a refrigerator magnet (that you use to attach something to the outside of the fridge).
Now, with any of these types of magnets I mentioned just above, where is the vacuum that you believe it creates? Wouldn't you be able to see the effects of that vacuum, or possibly even hearing it sucking away?? Wouldn't the magnet permanently adhere to my skin by the vacuum created?
You lost me on this initial step in the process, which is why I'm trying to understand this point.
This is my reply:
Rick B, the vacuum is made up of a frequency. You can not see or hear a frequency unless it has a flow of resistance creating a vibration. A sound is based on the amount of vibrations per second. The more per second, the less the ability we have for our ears to hear it.
You can not see a frequency and a frequency only has a resistance to its self or a ferromagnetic element. It is only resist it's self if put in a spinning motion or if a vibration is created and then it is has no resistance against the same vibration with the same flow flowing in the same direction.
ferromagnetic element's only has a positive resistance to a frequency creating a attraction where as a magnetic field has a positive and a negative resistance to a frequency.
I hope this helps you understand it better.
Here is another with my reply but from a science teacher:WOW!
You should get a job at JPL or Lawrence Livermore. ;-)
NL
I don't know where to begin.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I have tried over many posts to explain some basics of electricity and magnetics to you but you seem to have some resistance to actual learning and a proficiency for backyard theorizing.
Just because you take a bunch of words and put them together does not constitute a theory. (BTW get a spell checker devices is spelled with a "c" and itself is all one word)
I doubt you have even read the definitions of the words you are using and have used them completely out of context.
i.e. a vacuum is lack of matter, mostly used when referring to a lack of air molecules. Frequencies don't spin. A frequency is the number of times something vibrates or changes polarity or direction per second.
<<A magnetic field is nothing more then a spinning frequency creating a vacuum that has a resistance to its self as both a positive and a negative.>>
Wow! You really have no idea what you are talking about. Electromagnetic fields are created by the movement of charges particles. A stationary magnetic field is created by lining up all the atoms in a substance until the magnetic domains are in the same direction. If you can get them to stay that way then you have made a permanent magnet.
An MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) machine works by lining up all the hydrogen atoms in a substance. In this case a human body has differing amounts of hydrogen in different compounds throughout your body. Since a hydrogen atom has one proton with a positive charge and one electron with a negative charge it makes a great atom to align in a magnetic field. The differing amounts of hydrogen are resolved by the machine to give you differing densities of tissues and makes a good picture of what is inside you.
Alas, but I waste my time, since I believe you are more interested in chasing rainbows than in actually learning something.
Good luck!
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This was my reply:Archon, ok, that just shows me what your level of common sense is.
I can prove everything I said. As for not knowing about electricity, you are wrong. I have been studying this for the past few weeks with physicist and scientist from all over the world trying to find out exactly what electricity really is. None of them know for sure and there may not be anyone else that knows for sure and if there is, they are keeping it under their hats.
You are the one that doesn't know what it really is and if you would open your mind and put everything you were ever told to the side, you may just be able to understand what electricity is.
That theory is exactly what electricity is and the same think with magnetic fields.
"Electromagnetic fields are created by the movement of charges particles."
Sorry but you are wrong, you can blame that on your education.
"Since a hydrogen atom has one proton with a positive charge and one electron with a negative charge it makes a great atom to align in a magnetic field."
LOL, and you said I don?t know what I am talking about.
This is the true definition of MRI:
Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is primarily used in medical imaging to visualise the structure and function of the body. It provides detailed images of the body in any plane. MR has much greater soft tissue contrast than CT making it especially useful in neurological, musculoskeletal, cardiovascular and oncolological diseases. Unlike CT it uses no ionizing radiation. The scanner creates a powerful magnetic field which aligns the magnetization of hydrogen atoms in the body. Radio waves are used to alter the alignment of this magnetization. This causes the hydrogen atoms to emit a weak radio signal which is amplified by the scanner. This signal can be manipulated by additional magnetic fields to build up enough information to reconstruct an image of the body.
Know think real hard about my theory and about how a MRI works and you may see my point.
"Alas, but I waste my time, since I believe you are more interested in chasing rainbows than in actually learning something."
Sorry you feel the way you do and it's not my fault you cant understand the truth. I in no way was searching for a rainbow, I was simply searching for a answer that most if any have a answer to. We have all these scientist and physicist searching for ways to produce electricity and it would be easy if they knew exactly what electricity is. That sent me on a mission to find out what electricity really is so we can build things to produce it better then we do today.
BTW, thank you for finding that spelling error. It was late and I was tired and I must have over looked that one while I was using spell check.
Quote from: Crane on December 19, 2007, 09:09:53 PM
My answer: electricity is the result of charges in motion.
What are charges? Are you sure they aren't spherical magnetic forces? What exactly is in motion? Explain your theory more, go deaper.
Quote from: Crane on December 19, 2007, 09:09:53 PM
There is electricity without magnetism ( batteries, lightning, piezoelectricity... ) but there is no magnetism without electricity ( even on permanent magnets. Electrons are spinning on themselves, you know; scientists call this the particle spin! )
Everything in the entire Universe is made of sphere Electrons and Protons. Protons have +positive "electric charges", and Electrons have -negitive "electric charges".
....electric charges? What are those? Negitive electric charges? How can a charge be negitive? You either have a charge or you don't, there shouldn't be a "negitive", that would mean a "nothing charge".
Quote from: Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge
Electric charge is a fundamental conserved property of some subatomic particles, which determines their electromagnetic interaction. Electrically charged matter is influenced by, and produces, electromagnetic fields. The interaction between a moving charge and an electromagnetic field is the source of the electromagnetic force, which is one of the four fundamental forces.
In general, same-sign charged particles repel one another, while different-sign charged particles attract.
Holy Crap! Did you read that!? Same repels, Different attracts!! Likes repel, opposites attract. The first rule of magnetism! That means, a Proton and Electron are pretty much monopole magnets, which are magnets with only one pole, North or South.
That means every physical object in the entire Universe is nothing but small magnets clicked together. These magnets do nothing but trap light, attract, and repel. Basicly, everything is magnetic so there is no way in this Universe you can do anything without magnets being involved and that includes making electricity.
Zinc-Acid batterys technicaly use magnets, the
zinc is made of magnets, and the
acid is made of a more powerful magnets then zinc. Stronger magnets over power weaker magnets, so the acid breaks apart the zinc. When the zinc runs out, the battery is dead. Once you touch a wire to the negitive terminal on the battery, the wire becomes magnetised with South magnetic force only. When you touch a wire to the positive terminal, the North magnetic force is in that wire. When you touch both wires together from + to - the magnetic forces are attracted to each other, like clicking two magnets together N/S. Once the magnetic wires are touching, the magnetism circles through the wire. If it is a short circuit, the magnets flow through the wire faster and faster, because you have no resistance (ex: light bulb) to slow it down like a traffic jam.
Lighting uses magnets too! The Earth is composed of dirt, rock, metal, and everything else on Earth, and that is all composed of protons and electrons which are basicly electro
magnets. Magnets gain strength when they are together so that means the Earth is a giant magnet! Clouds are like levitating magnets! When the cloud magnets move over the top of the Earth magnets you make a natural generator/capacitor. The air is the dielectric, the clouds and Earth are the cathode and anode. When the magnetism builds in the clouds, and in the Earth, they jump the gap of air, in a bright stream, and we call it lighting, which is basicly very strong magnetism.
Piezoelectricity is just another form of the magnetic break down of a material, like the zinc-acid battery does. You are extracting magnetism from the material itself by force. The magnetism is in the material, because everything is made of magnets.
Some magnets are Earth made, no electricity involved.
Quote from: Crane on December 19, 2007, 09:09:53 PM
I'd go as far as: there is no magnetism at all. Just like allcanadian said a while ago, eh! ( Well, there is a magnetic effect, yes, but it can be simply explained by interactions between moving or accelerating charges. It seems to me the concept of magnetic field is a nuisance to our understanding of the real nature of electromagnetism. )
A.A.
Moving or accelerating charges huh? Charges are just electro
magnets! To say there is no magnetism at all, is to say nothing exists. Because nothing would exist without magnetism holding everything together.
0ne, I know you cant have a magnetic field with out a flow of electrons and I know you can not have a flow with out a resistance and I know you can not have a resistance with out creating a frequency, therefore you must have electrons, a spinning flow, resistance and a frequency before you can have a magnetic field.
Am I making sense yet?
Quote from: nightlife on December 20, 2007, 01:18:03 AM
0ne, I know you cant have a magnetic field with out a flow of electrons
Am I making sense yet?
NO, what you fail to understand is that an
ELECTRON HAS ITS OWN MAGNETIC FIELD. IT IS A MAGNET. Even when it is not moving, there is a magnetic field. It's "electric charge" gives it an "electro
magnetic" field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_charge
The electron itself is magnetic force.
0ne, I see what you are saying and you are right. That goes back to a reply I posted on another thread about what a electron is and what it consist of. If a electron is a magnetic force with in it's self, then it would also have to be a frequency because you can not create a spin with out it ever having a contact with another object or force.
0ne, something you have to remember is that something has to create a magnetic field before a magnetic field can even exist. Which means something has to spin something first. So something would have to have spun a electron for the electron to have created a magnetic field or another power source would have had to have embedded its self in to a electron.
The link you provided is the definition and even it says it is a spin and common sense tells us that something has to cause a resistance to create a spin. So therefore a electrons spin has to be created from another power source. so now we are right back were we started.
nightlife
I see now what is your argument. What came first the Chicken or the Egg?
As the world goes round in circles so does this type of argument.
The Egg came first. The egg was a mixture of substance, cooked at the right temperature, to form life.
Someone found that correct mixture of substance, and they made their own egg. Almost like gathering ingrediants to make a cake, and adding them together, and cooking them to form a complete cake.
Just like the creator made humans from dirt. You just need the right ingrediants.
Alchemy anyone?
The substance is magnetic force.
One, maybe you can rewrite all particle physics using magnetic charges instead of electrostatic charges, maybe; but this would be a humongous job! Electrostatic fields are spheric while magnetic fields are axial wich is very different; dealing with magnetic fields ought to be a lot harder...I doubt this can add to our understanding of particle physics anyway.
My view about overunity devices is: if it really exists ( I hope so... ) you need a full understanding of relativistic effects of particle-particle interaction to produce an efficient device. I already figured that a magnetic field is in fact a vortex of electrostatic fields. Right now I have a lot of trouble figuring out a rotating magnetic field. That would be a vortex of vortexes of electrostatic fields. Not the easiest thing to modelize... ::)
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