My whole point of starting this thread was to show everyone that electricity can be produced by collecting natural frequencies because frequencies are part of what electricity really is. Frequencies can be collected using one and or the combination of all ferromagnetic elements for the attraction and or a north end of a magnetic field will supply the same effect and the south end of the magnetic field will repel it or in other words, push it.
Magnetic fields act like a vacuum, the north being a suction and the south being the exhaust. They will use the vacuum effect on all ferromagnetic elements as well as a frequency but it will only use the exhaust effect on frequencies.
Magnetic fields act like a turbo for the flow of frequencies, the stronger the field, the stronger the flow.
Only certain natural frequencies will work and thanks to our government, we are not allowed to experiment with certain ones. That?s not a bad thing though because if certain ones are created and intensified to much, they can create disasters.
This next link video clips are of a text done on a bridge using frequencies.
http://timber.ce.wsu.edu/supplements/seismic/Images/tacoma1.qt
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1077849250&vw=g&b=0&pos=2&p=frequency++bridge&fr=slv8-msgr
Those videos show you how strong frequencies vibrations can be made, Everything substance has a frequency vibration limit based on the frequency that created it. Every substance can be torn apart by just using frequencies.
If you do a search, you will find others that have done some interesting experiments using frequencies.
I honestly don't think many know of the possibilities that frequencies have in being utilized as a main power source. I do know the government knows but look who runs it and that is why I believe that most don't know about it. If more did know, people would build receivers using magnetic fields as a power source and big money would lose all those big profits.
Quoted from nightlife "Those videos show you how strong frequencies vibrations can be made, Everything substance has a frequency vibration limit based on the frequency that created it. Every substance can be torn apart by just using frequencies."
-Dude once you understand whats going on in the heterodyning thread maybe you will just read from that point on and not post such meaningless things .. you obviously have the ability to type www.google.com if you can post all this crap.
Quote from: nightlife on December 21, 2007, 08:23:39 AM
My whole point of starting this thread was to show everyone that electricity can be produced by collecting natural frequencies because frequencies are part of what electricity really is. Frequencies can be collected using one and or the combination of all ferromagnetic elements for the attraction and or a north end of a magnetic field will supply the same effect and the south end of the magnetic field will repel it or in other words, push it.
Magnetic fields act like a vacuum, the north being a suction and the south being the exhaust. They will use the vacuum effect on all ferromagnetic elements as well as a frequency but it will only use the exhaust effect on frequencies.
Magnetic fields act like a turbo for the flow of frequencies, the stronger the field, the stronger the flow.
G'day nightlife,
You obviously suffer from a number of mis-conceptions about the nature of electricity, magnetism and oscillations (frequency)
These things exist independently of each other and only are associated with each other under certain conditions.
For instance, a sonic pressure wave at ANY frequency has no electrical or magnetic phenomena accompanying it. You can level a sound wave at, for instance, a piece of glass and shatter it, without causing any electrical or magnetic phenomena to occur. There were no electrical discharges or magnetic disturbances when the Tacoma Bridge collapsed.
There is no electricity whatsoever associated with a permanent magnet. No discernible electric field has ever been discovered around a permanent magnet.
There is no magnetic field associated with static electricity. You can charge up an electrophorus with static electricity and attract a dielectric, like bits of paper, with it and have no deflection of a magnetic compass needle. Try it for yourself, take a bit of plastic, like a comb, rub it with wool and pick up tiny pieces of paper with it next to a compass. It will pick up the paper but it will not show a magnetic field.
There are no discernible oscillations in direct current ( DC )
There is no such thing as suction, there is only differential in pressure. It is the pressure that fills a vacuum, not the vacuum attracting something.
All the phenomena you are talking about come about as the result of an interaction between these forces.
For electricity to generate a magnetic field it has to flow! For a magnet to generate electricity it has to move against something!
The forces themselves exist independently of each other.
Hans von Lieven
Hans von Lieven
The reason electricity has not been found in most of the case's you describe, is because "electricity" is TWO forces, not 0ne. Also, magnetism is TWO forces, not 0ne. When you have only 0ne side of each force, we do not have tools that can effectivly measure them. When the electron side of electricity is present, we think there is electricity. But when the other side of electricity is only present, we think there is none at all.
Same with magnetism. When both forces of magnetism are present, we have attraction and repulsion. When only one side of magnetism is present, we can't detect it at all. When magnetic force North and South are seperated, they are attracted to all things. You are all being fooled by what you can't see, and what you can't measure.
G'day one,
What you are really saying is "I think it works this way but there is no way to prove it"
That puts your theory into the realm of speculation.
Hans von Lieven
Localjoe, sorry but you will catch on soon enough just stay tuned. LOL.
hansvonlieven, the frequencies are the same and the only difference is a sound has been added and they are weak. Cable TV, speaker wires and telephone wires are all examples of how they are the same. The only difference is the quantity and what is added to it.
0ne, electricity only has one unless it is used in a circular motion while creating a magnetic field. Then the positive will become the negative and the negative will become the positive.
Quote from: nightlife on December 21, 2007, 08:36:45 PM
Localjoe, sorry but you will catch on soon enough just stay tuned. LOL.
hansvonlieven, the frequencies are the same and the only difference is a sound has been added and they are weak. Cable TV, speaker wires and telephone wires are all examples of how they are the same. The only difference is the quantity and what is added to it.
0ne, electricity only has one unless it is used in a circular motion while creating a magnetic field. Then the positive will become the negative and the negative will become the positive.
??? ??? ???
Hans
hansvonlieven, just remember "OPEN MIND".
Hans i lost that picture of the cane can you find it already
You mean this one Joe?
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D2794.0%3Battach%3D15452%3Bimage&hash=757ee29de028c6852d2a7b73398631c9d2277829)
Hans
That was it :D :D :D Thank you and if anyone is wondering THAT KANE IS FREQUENCY WHICH ELECTRONS SPACE SHUTTLE into orbit . Thank you
If that is true, then you are referring to a electron as a substance and one substance can not flow thru another. The only other thing you could be think of it as is another frequency or if you are out in left field, you may think of it as a spirit. LOL
I must agree with hans that
Quote from: nightlife on December 21, 2007, 08:36:45 PMhansvonlieven, the frequencies are the same and the only difference is a sound has been added and they are weak. Cable TV, speaker wires and telephone wires are all examples of how they are the same. The only difference is the quantity and what is added to it.
does not make much sense. Or as Hans put it ??? ??? ???
@nightlife: can you explain what you mean? To recap: Hans had just explained how frequencies, electricity, and magnetism are related to a degree, but are not
in fact always related and can often be observed as seperate entities. This is a clear contrast to the assertion that electricity and magnetism are exactly the same,
and to the assertion that electricity, magnetism, and frequency are always connected to eachother in all situations.
Now, I can accept a view in which the Tacoma Bridge, presented as a nice example of physical oscillation without electromagnetism involved, is seen as a very large structure of intermolecular and interatomic bonds, which all have resonant frequencies relatd to their atomic makeups, is exposed to frequencies that disrupt said bonds, thereby weakening the structural integrity of the entire bridge structure, and causing it to collapse... But the problem is that the resonant frequencies are only partly dependant on the resonant frequencies of the building materials. Of equal if not greater importance is the exact geometry of the structure and its parts. Besides that, if the intermolecular/interatomic bonds were broken in the entire structure, one would expect that to happen over the entire structure, and one might expect the bridge to explode into a cloud of vapour. That does not happen, instead the structure shakes apart into smaller pieces, not into a cloud of excited atoms...
Another nice example is the Erasmus Bridge in Rotterdam (Netherlands). This bridge looks somewhat like a big harp, and sure enough when it was freshly built and hit by the first strong winds (Rotterdam is one of the worlds biggest harbours, wind is not at all uncommon there ;)) the "strings" of the big "harp" would start to vibrate in the wind.
That did not immediately cause the bridge to oscillate like mad and collapse, but it did cause quite loud noise and some shuddering of the bridge surface. Carefull calculations finally showed how the bridge "strings" were sensitive to wind speeds in a certain range, and the addition of some weights and some additional reinforcement in a few specific places altered the structures resonant frequency so that it no longer acts as an oversized harp in strong wind.
Never ever was there any electromagnetic effect, but the air pressure waves (=sound) certainly were there. Another example of freq without em.
Or how about an "acoustic"/"classical"/"spanish" guitar? Lots of vibrations at various frequencies, no em.
And about this "two sides to electricity and magnetism" idea;
So if I understand you correctly you are saying there are 2 elements that combine into what we know as electricity, and also two elements that combine to make magnetism? Let's start with the electricity, and we can include magnetism later.
Are you talking about the two different "poles" here? Or are you talking about two flows of energy, one from positive to negative and the other from negative to positive, that supplement eachother and combine into what we know as the "electric field" (with two "poles" but only one "flux")?
You see, quite a few people have this idea that electricity and magnetism are two sides of the same coin; that a flow of electrons is surrounded by a magnetic flux, and that this already is the system with two "opposing" flows (although technically the magnetic field is always at 90 degrees to the electric field, and this could be considered to be angular but not opposing. However, Lorentz and emf effects do cause (temporarily) reversed flows, albeit not always at exactly the same time.) But if I understand what you seem to be saying correctly, you're saying that yes, there is this 90 degree coupling of electric and magnetic fields, but there is also an energy flow that consists of 2 opposing flows?
Now, assuming that you do consider the movement of electrons through a wire from the "positive pole" (emitting negative electrical charge) to the "negative pole" (absorbing said negative electrical charge) to be DC,
where do you see this second energy flow taking place?
Assuming you do consider this flow of electrons to be one of these two energy flows in the wire, and considering the fact that any form of electical wave (in a wire) is viewed as a transverse wave form, and taking into account that moving electrons in any material encounter "friction" (resistance) and cause the material to heat up,
may I then extrapolate that this second and opposite energy flow has opposing characteristics? So then this opposing energy flow might have a wave form that is longtitudional (and thus undetectable), and the opposing "anti-electron" energy flow might also not cause the material to heat up but rather cool down...
This sounds a lot like the "negative energy" Bearden and friends talk about...
How do you see this?
And how do you propose we utilise this effectively?
How exactly does it help to switch this view 90 degrees and turn everything into magnets? That doesn't really change much, does it?
After all, if we know electricity and magnetism are interchangeable, and we do, then we might as well rewrite the entire "everything is magnets"
idea to "everything is elecrons", right?
Again, please explain.
Have you heard of the "open path" of dr. Kron? Or do you know about Gray?
They both used a model of electricity that allowed for an opposite energy flow, and implemented it in devices, sometimes with interesting results.
Grays' "splitting the positive" technology uses this approach, using two seperate paths for the energy to traverse, one of which was wired as usual, and one of which was wired in a peculiar way and seems to allow energy to flow in the opposite direction.
In fact, it is my personal contention that Kron, Gray, Bedini and most likely Tesla as well knew/know and utilise(d) the same principles.
You may want to take a look at this thread, where I plonked down some more about Krons negative resistor circuitry: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4004.0/topicseen.html
If anyone has any good comments, additions, suggestions, or ideas about this stuff, please do post them!
This could be a very interesting thread...
Koen1, I am sorry but I have been away for awhile but I am now back and I will try to get back to my idiotic way of thinking. Please bear with me as I freshen up on my thoughts.
I am stuck with thinking that electricity is nothing more then a flow of resistance because you can not have one with out the other. The stronger the flow of resistance, the more powerful the electricity is. I also can not see electricity being anything other then a vibration wave. I for one can not agree with what is considered as a electron because I can not see one solid item passing through another and the only thing I can believe that can do that is a harmonic oscillation. harmonic oscillations can be passed through the air or through wire. The same can be done with electricity.
Something else I have stuck in my head is that you can not have a flow of resistance without creating a harmonic oscillation.
I used the word frequency's before thinking they were sound waves but I learned that they are actually just a measurement of the number of cycles, or periods, per unit time of rotations, oscillations, or waves,.
You talked about the bridge and how it just fall apart opposed to disincarnating into dust. I believe that is because of all the different materials in the structure of the bridge and I also believe that each substance has it's own harmonic oscillation of structure and that it would take all the substances harmonic oscillations to be present to make it disincarnate or explode. That would also be a problem because of the substances around the bridge because some of those substances make up part of the bridge.
I am trying to remember where I was with my thoughts on what makes a magnet what it is and act the way it does.
Please again bear with my ignorance and I will get back to this topic after I get my thoughts back in order, if that is even possible. LOL
Quote from: nightlife on February 23, 2008, 01:01:39 AM
Koen1, I am sorry but I have been away for awhile but I am now back and I will try to get back to my idiotic way of thinking. Please bear with me as I freshen up on my thoughts.
Ok, but I'm going to reply to some of your remarks anyway. ;)
QuoteI am stuck with thinking that electricity is nothing more then a flow of resistance because you can not have one with out the other.
Well I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but what about superconductive materials then? They have perfect conductivity = zero resistance, yet there is electricity and electron flow. One without the other.
QuoteThe stronger the flow of resistance, the more powerful the electricity is.
Err... But resistance doesn't move, it is a quality of the material... It is due to imperfections in the crystalline matrix of the material, into which the moving electrons
"collide", which disrupts the flow of electrons a little bit, and transforms some of the electron motion into heat. It's the electrons that are hindered in their flow path by the
imperfections in the matrix, and this effective resistance is directly related to the resistivity of the material matrix. The more powerful the current, the greater the effective resistance at a given material resistivity.
QuoteI also can not see electricity being anything other then a vibration wave. I for one can not agree with what is considered as a electron because I can not see one solid item passing through another and the only thing I can believe that can do that is a harmonic oscillation.
Who's talking about solid items passing through others? Electrons are so small that what to our human eyes lookslike a very solid material, can be extremely porous for the tiny electrons. And that's using the classical electrodynamic model of an electron as a tiny particle. Quantumelectrodynamics generally works with electron "clouds" and not discrete electrons moving in discrete orbits. That introduces a whole range of quantum waveforms that describe the electron cloud system, a complex wave structure that "collapses" into one specific situation at the moment of observation. In that view, there is no such thing as a solid electron particle moving through an atomic matrix like a ball rolling through a vapour cloud or anything like that. And of course it has long been known that all force interactions must take place via photons, as photons are the only energy carrier that exchanges forces. So whatever happens with the electrons, the actual exchange of energy must at some point happen through photon interchange.
And photons are funny little buggers. They have no mass, they can pass straight through eachother, they always have the speed of light, even with respect to eachother, and they are not particles but waves and at the same time they are not waves but particles. Weird? Yes. That's quantum for you. ;) Very unclassical and highly non-newtonian, and severely unintuitive.
Quoteharmonic oscillations can be passed through the air or through wire. The same can be done with electricity.
Something else I have stuck in my head is that you can not have a flow of resistance without creating a harmonic oscillation.
I'm not sure where you're going with this... I fail to understand how you see resistance flow in the first place, and I also fail to see what
this would have to do with harmonic oscillations.
QuoteI used the word frequency's before thinking they were sound waves but I learned that they are actually just a measurement of the number of cycles, or periods, per unit time of rotations, oscillations, or waves,.
indeed. In any medium too. And basically they can be of any form too. It's just a frequency, it doesn't automatically apply only to sound or electricity or whatever. If I spit on the ground every second, I'm producing a 1Hz spit signal. If I think about ice cream 10 times a second, I am producing a 10Hz ice cream thought "wave". ;)
QuoteYou talked about the bridge and how it just fall apart opposed to disincarnating into dust. I believe that is because of all the different materials in the structure of the bridge and I also believe that each substance has it's own harmonic oscillation of structure and that it would take all the substances harmonic oscillations to be present to make it disincarnate or explode. That would also be a problem because of the substances around the bridge because some of those substances make up part of the bridge.
Hey now that makes some sense. :)
It's a way to look at it, I suppose... Not half bad.
@hansvonlieven
QuoteFor instance, a sonic pressure wave at ANY frequency has no electrical or magnetic phenomena accompanying it. You can level a sound wave at, for instance, a piece of glass and shatter it, without causing any electrical or magnetic phenomena to occur. There were no electrical discharges or magnetic disturbances when the Tacoma Bridge collapsed.
There is no electricity whatsoever associated with a permanent magnet. No discernible electric field has ever been discovered around a permanent magnet.
I think the misconception here is that the electric and magnetic phenomena have never been "measured" concerning the shatting of a glass by sound waves. It is inconcievable to suggest there are no electrical or magnetic disturbances, when in fact all matter is made of electrical charges, therefore any disturbance in matter "IS" an electrical distutrbance. A disturbed electrical charge (moving) "IS" a magnetic disturbance, to suggest otherwise is too state all conventional physics is in error.
QuoteThere is no electricity whatsoever associated with a permanent magnet. No discernible electric field has ever been discovered around a permanent magnet
This is funny ;D , Again----- a magnet is matter, are you suggesting the electron and proton have NO electric fields ---- are you suggesting that these fields could never extend past the boundary of matter in any way? not even a nanometer?
QuoteThere were no electrical discharges or magnetic disturbances when the Tacoma Bridge collapsed.
Hmmmm ? Static electrical generators are based on the "fact" that when matter rubs on matter electrical charges are produced ---- obviously the collapsing bridge had no matter touching or rubbing in its horrific collapse, as well the fact that the metal of the bridge was "moving" through a magnetic field (the earths) and this moving metal produced absolutely no magnetic disturbance is not a possiblity in physics.
I will take this one step further, all the space we know must be filled with light, sunlight/starlight therefore all space is filled with energy in motion, electrical and magnetic without exception.
All matter is made of electrical charges in motion therfore all matter produces electric and magnetic fields without exception.
I don't mean to offend you but if we are to discuss things in a logical manner we had better have our facts straight.
That's not the point.
The point is that not all effects involving frequencies are direct electromagnetic effects.
An acoustic resonance is not automatically the same as an electromagnetic resonance.
Yes, if you "zoom in" deep enough to the quantum level, everything is tiny charges and fields
interacting, and at that level an acoustic wave will have a distinct effect on the motion of said
particles and fields. But that doesn't change the fact that, in macroscopic physics, we call pressure
waves in a medium "acoustic" or "sound", even if the medium consists of a complex charged particle
interaction structure at the quantum level. We have a similar clear macroscopic definition of electro-
magnetic waves.
@Koen1
QuoteThat's not the point.
The point is that not all effects involving frequencies are direct electromagnetic effects.
An acoustic resonance is not automatically the same as an electromagnetic resonance.
QuoteBut that doesn't change the fact that, in macroscopic physics, we call pressure
waves in a medium "acoustic" or "sound", even if the medium consists of a complex charged particle
interaction structure at the quantum level.
Im not sure I would agree with this, that is like saying when we put many apples together in a group we should call them oranges.
Labelling something does not change the fact of what it is, consider a pressure wave-- it consists of compressions and rarefractions. It is well known that compression heats and rarefraction cools, heating and cooling relate to energy density---- frequency or period of oscillation is a changing energy density ie.... electrical in nature, if moving charges are magnetic then there must be a magnetic component. The fact that nobody has bothered to measure these time varied components does not in any way diminish there relevance.
It is well know in the art that wind can produce static charges in conductors at megawatt levels in large surface area conductors, should we say charges have no relevance here ?-----it is just wind ie... a small regional pressure difference.
Koen1, "Well I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but what about superconductive materials then? They have perfect conductivity = zero resistance, yet there is electricity and electron flow. One without the other."
I am sorry, I must not have explained it right. Electricity can not exist unless a flow of a resistance is made. Resistance being pressure and the flow being made by a movement of two pressures in the opposite direction or it that same direction but with one being moved at a slower rate then the other. You can not create electricity with out using that concept. based on that concept, all pressures, regardless of the what is used to create the pressures such as light, frequency's and even air as well as anything else including a nuclei of a atom and as long as anything is used to apply a pressure against its self or any other pressure in a different direction or at a slower rate then the other, we will be creating electricity. Now we also must note that two things applied to each other can not be done with out creating a sound. this sound may not be able to be detected by the human ear or may not eve be able to be detected my any man made receivers but we must agree that a sound has to be made.
so does that mean that electricity is the sound or are they both produced at the same time but yet are not the same things? Since sound is made by using certain frequency's, does that mean that the frequency?s are actually the electricity,
I personally can not agree with electricity being that of electrons because the whole electron existence does not agree with my common sense. I think electricity falls deeper then what are thoughts of a electron size is. I even feel that it falls deeper that what we feel a nuclei even is. I think the smallest of substances could still be used to create electricity. based on my concept, Any two substances within a atom, can be used to create electricity.
I flow of resistance could also be considered a friction. If a friction is created, then so is electricity.