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Since this project has started to move along I thought it helpful to supply information as to my thinking and direction of experiment.

Background for Alternate models of EM and torsion can be found here:

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Electronics.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Electronics.htm)

Updated 1/8/2008

And here the c_s_s_p magnetism web site:

http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/

The TPU results are the basis of study and experiment, and discovering the method of interaction for possible control.


[Update note on TPU research]

The Ringing sine waves produced during rapid rise time pulsing of a copper loop of wire can not be associated with either wire resonant length or NMR resonance.
It is my belief these near 5 Mhz waves are of a torsional nature and are a reflection of gravity waves or tempic field waves having to do with light velocity in copper.
The distance of 44.5 feet as found in Lyle Lathems coils, is 1/4 wavelength of this natural frequency showing up in copper wire that is receiving a torsion shock. Lyles coils produce a strong torsion field because a 1/4 wave length is a canceling stub and creates a scalar canceling of the gravity waves.

Identifying the torsional shock mechanism
As E field propagates along the skin of the wire, a negative voltage gradient moves down a wire along its outside area first, skin effect. This produces a strong attraction to the nuclear mass at the proton layer which has a positive charge. Protons layer is pulled outwards quickly towards the skin of the wire, and receives a shock. This shock has been known to blow wires apart at very high voltages.
As a positive E vector voltage propagates the wire at c velocity, the Proton mass is pushed inwards generating a compressing mass shock into the wire. A 5 Mhz ringing wave is observed as the voltage stabilized at the new E field level.

We know that the major energy of the E field is moving along its surface and even outside the wire as photons in the electric field, as a dielectric insulator will effects it's propagation velocity.


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To date has anyone tried to make a cold running TPU?
That is, use the other end of the pulse to generate the energy in the mobius or collector coil. The negative going side of the square wave [the collapse of the E field to a relaxed state].

One of the basic problems with the unit is heat production and melting down of the CC wires as I understand. I would call this the "platonic resonant outflow." There must also be an inflow side to this energy flow.

In the study of all the OU devices we see that two kinds of energy can become present, it would seem from the work of Floyd Sweet that one of these acts much different. It flows with a contracting inwards force, can move through far smaller wires, is less likely to jump out of the circuit, and can cause a freeze burn on the fingers if touched. It also will light a bulb!

I would guess that to take one of the sides of the square wave pulse and modify it to decrease the side not used would be a method to explore this. That is instead of using square waves we use half traingle waves, an avalanch in only one direction, and a slow return on the other side, or at least a gentlier form of some kind. Now we can seperate the two sides by choosing only one.

There may be other methods to harness only the collapsing side of the pulse using routing of some sort.

This method will solve the heating problem but it will also lead to being able to draw far more power from the system as wires generating inflow or cold energy. This could be seen as a way to increase the TPU's upper KW output limits.

As to coils at 90 degrees, it is hard to concieve the cold energy moving between them, or being the result of one coil with EM causing a cold energy pulse in the other, but this is what Floyd Sweet was getting with his set up. The difference may be in the mobius configuration itself. As Otto has obviously modified the mobius to form two conductors running seperatly rather then keeping them as a single shorted type coil setup. Ottos setup is brilliant, however it is not a true mobius anymore as there are now two paths and a mobius uses only one twisted on itself to flip inside outwards.

We see Hendershot using a shorted coil setting between input and output coils. What does the presence of a shorted coil actually cause. We are taking the EM pulse and creating an instant zero resistance load, electronics tells us this will absorb and suck up all the energy, will it not also reflect outwards a negative or below the zero point inversion. Having a magnetic field build instantly in a shorted coil? Very strange indeed. If the coil could be instantly shorted from a charged state would it create the cold pulse in the Collector coil?  Much to consider if moving this direction.

On the CC's ring we place the 3 input coils fed with power through a resistance for slowed charging, and now rather then drive them from outside, we use the high current conducting semiconductors to discharge the coils quickly, similiar to what a spark gap would do. What will we see on the CC? Will it display a cold EM quality? Will a high speed collapsing field do the job?

To ease power draw on the power supply we use a semiconductor to disconnect the power supply as we fire the shorting semiconductor.
Now we reverse them and the coil slowly comes back up through a resistance. We have our non linear charging / discharging cycle.

We now place the collector ring back into its shorted mobius config and see if we can drive it below the zero point of no EM or no voltage and see if it starts to run cold as the platonic resonance is explored using the same frequency generators and very probably nearly identical frequencies.

I realize that driving energy into a shorted system and trying to gain negative or inflow power from the destruction of the magnetic field may sound a bit crazy.

If it works it may solve two of the problems inherent in the TPU system greatly limiting its usefullness.

Dave L

Combining the TPU layout with platonic form, I conducted an experiment tonight.
Result was the observation of a DC component from an AC signal inserted into a coil network.

Here was my progression:

Circle of many turns about 3 inch diameter 24 gauge dual conductor,
about 12 turns or so.

Wind a coil on it like a donut of 6 turns. I could sense this was about
right as a small torsion field popped out.

Wind a second, and now a third. You end up with three small coils on the
big coil.

Feed all coils in series from sig gen so signal moves one direction
through all coils and hits the scope at the end. You can observe large
NMR ringing with a set of blips on it where the small coils create
reflections.

Scan the frequencies for a sensation around the coil. Now tune the small
coils by sliding them to exact 1/3 spacing around the ring. A field will
pop out, [torsion]. I can feel it best around 49Khz on my coils.

Take a bismuth core and start to sense where the field is strongest. It
is strongest at the node points exactly between the coils.

Bend the large coil into a triangle so the torsion nodes are at the
tips. This is now where the tempic field can be coupled between coils.

Make a second coil exactly the same. Now hold the two triangles and
slowly bring them together and see what the torsion field does! About 20
times stronger as the two coils interact between torsion nodes. Turn one
by 30 degrees to get the two bases of the star tetrahedron where the
strongest coupling is setting. This works.

The platonic form transfers energy, and I get a rather strong outflow?
Of some kind. It almost feels like the coils are pushing away from one
another.

I now started to do a frequency scan on this setup and discovered that
at 13 Mhz the output on the scope starts to go into the negative DC
range of the scope! Checking the input no DC is present. This means that
anywhere over about 12 Mhz the coils start to produce a DC offset. At
about 19 Mhz it was reaching several volts, and then started to dimenish
around 20 Mhz.

Very promising experiment linking the platonic form to producing a DC
output!

Now assuming that quartz crystals will vibrate in the Khz ranges this
may not be so exciting, but if they start to produce 12 Mhz pulses we
could expect this coil arrangement may start to make DC.

Also I was able to show the linkage effect between tempic node points
and confirm they are in fact where I expected them to exist. I also used
both bismuth in aluminum and bismuth in copper to act as a conduit
between the tips and see an influence on the scope.

Lastly placing the bismuth at the center of the triangles or off about
60 degrees amplifies the torsion field produced. This is a nice feeling
little setup, and no headaches from it at all. I am at a loss as to how
or what will go on the other two points of the star tetrahedron or if
this setup should be used on every surface with more coils.

Dave L

Experriment 1

Notes:

Function gen = wavetech 288 10 v peak square waves at 49 Khz.
Scope 20 Mhz Tenma

Square waves hitting the coils setup overshoot nicley and produce about 20 volt spikes, so do not use a cheap function generator for this experiment. I still have to construct my MOSFET driver circuits.

The DC component moved the wave form all the way down to the center line on the scope at some 15Mhz, and AC was now pulsing DC in the negative direction. I recorded the voltage with a DC voltmeter to confirm [-1.93 Vdc]. This is in line with the waves rise time being faster then the NMR rate, and as such the Nuclear mass cannot turn but goes into a forced precession, seeking its center which is the magnetic field angle. While a sharp rise time will do this also in a square wave, any wave over this rate should have a similiar effect as well.

Possible Explinations:

Electron shell and nuclear mass are like two gyros spinning opposite directions, the magnetic field is the axle for both. As the magnetic field tilts, both want to turn the axle opposite directions along the sphere of the atom. The electron shell wins the battle in this case and stays aligned around the wire, the nuclear mass is forced to turn into its precession angle and creates a torsion force. The torsion forces are strongest between the small coils where opposing waves cross and cancel. That is each resulting wave, from the tilt at the 90 degree coils, travels out both directions, but is cancelled as they collide with one another creating a torsion node, scalar cancelling interaction. This torsion node creates a tempic field shift where c is increased and will propagate away from the point at specific angles based on the platonic resonance of the copper atoms [probably the star tetrahedron form as it apears both in the nucleus and the electron shells]. Torsion will freely flow through ABC Aluminum, Bismuth, Copper without loss.

The resulting torsion in the system from this combination is aparently enough to start collecting a DC component of equal amplitude to the AC peak signal at 15 Mhz. It is the delayed torsion force that begins to dislodge electrons and start current flow, and why current lags the voltage in copper wire circuits. The 90 degree coils regulate the tilt so that it cannot complete a full turn, and thus rather then AC they start to pump DC one direction.

Grantid this is not into a load but an opened ended setup, but for me it is enough to realize a proof of concept for the coil arrangement of the TPU to produce DC using fast rise timming pulses.

Dave L

Hi David,
   Can you provide photographs of your experimental setup and scope traces?

thanks

mark.

PS. I'll email directly.

Here are the basic coils I have been playing with. I have made several, they are nothing to write home about but surprisingly do show promise as a design. They are wound around a plastic diet coke bottle then removed.

Scope waves forms, also quite basic. The big surprise the DC output over about 12 Mhz.

Hello Dave,

your picture is great.

Maybe you should try to use more turns for your controls. Here a few ideas:

1.Change your triangle form into a water drop form (egg form) but be careful because such a collector is heating up.
2. With a round collector coil.Connect 12VDC from a power supply to 1 end of the control coils. You have then 3 hot coils, the coil where the 12VDC is connected is the hottest.
3.Then connect this 12VDC BETWEEN  2 control coils and feel or better measure the temperature of the 3 control coils.

Of course I made such tests and got 1 hot control coil and 2 cold controls or 2 hot controls and 1 cold......use just square waves.

Now the million dollar question: do we really need fast pulses??? NO!!

Im pulsing now my TPU with "something" like a combination of kicks - sine waves with a very slow rising - falling time of the signals and I have the same good light on my bulb. It depends how the 3 collectors are connected, nothing else.

Otto

PS: I almost forgot: try to connect the controls and the collector in series. Can you measure the magnetic field?

Mark,

Nice to meet you,

Very impressed with your spinor work. Will have to take some time to fully read through it. Right off it looks a lot like the pictures in Occult physics, what the psi guys have been seeing when they look inwards.

As to the question "Where does the energy come from?" Inside matter of corse, where else could it come from? Anyway that we use to capture it, will involve manipulation of matter, a device. The big question is how is it transferred and how do the EM fields interact with it?
Just how does matter operate?

My present feeling is that it crosses the "octaves" at the node points of the torsion fields when they hit platonic resonance. The electron shell is about 1000 octaves above the nuclear mass outer layer [proton shell]. A direct EM frequency link is impossible anyway, because both are spinning opposing directions, E field is running parallel, and frequencies are not constant. As the magnetic field changes so do all the NMR rates. It is only with the platonic vibrational structure that I can see any way for energy to move out [outflow] or in [inflow] between non harmonic frequency sets. This is the focal point between density layers. The infamous longitudinal wave moving 90 degrees to the shells resonant flows as the tips or nodes of the vibrations, the photon path. [Gravity or tempic field call it what you will] alters the time flow rate or c. This is the explination for the upwards surge of velocity in UFO craft, but also fits the TPU as well, [electrons that seem to be moving way too fast for the valence orbit exchange rate energy of normal wire].

Gravity is a "tempic field gradient with an E vector force attached" a TE field where c is now a varible. EM is an E vector in a constant tempic field, in motion. The tempic field has the ability to bend light velocity [density gradient], and basically EM does not. This only has to do with distance however.

This is nuclear energy that does not destroy the atom, but is normally present. Opening an outflow alows the nucleus, which is trying to hold the atom together and regulate electron shell distances with diamagnetic and magnetic forces, to expend extra energy we can capture. Since spin is the root force, powered from source, it would apear to be inexhaustable. Spin is captured as torsion or torsion fields. Turning it back into EM is however a great challenge.

With Joe cell work I realized there are "cold electrons" as they will follow the positive lead back to the battery and destroy the electrolites if allowed to reach it. Thus electrons can exist in more then one state of tempic charge, or in different densities as can copper.

The vocabulary is the result of much investigation into models from both spiritual and physics sources, but Wilbert Smith is credited for giving us the tempic field model where c becomes a varible, and also starting with consciousness or awareness preceeding the physical reality.

What ever the model we choose to visualize all this, we must all begin to agree on a few basic points from the TPU successes. Energy can be drawn from the diamagnetic elements [copper aluminum bismuth hydrogen], and it requires a harmonic play of vibrations, which can be coupled to an electron propelling torsion force manipulation. TPU is 100 percent copper, there is little doubt what this means to me.

With copper we can anchor the E field and generate torsion [wire], or we can anchor the torsion and transfer motion [Utron]. If we open a tempic field gradient [gravity] then the time flow rate is altered and space is charged over an area around our device, to another density.

This experiment has shown me what all the 90 degree alignments in all these devices is all about, after many years of studying and pondering them. In Electronics 101 there is little if anything on 90 degree coil setups, and even less on scalar cancelling coils! LOL!

The power in the AC is passing through the coils network, the power in the DC component is a side effect adding more energy. The coil network is OU, just as are the NMR pulses when totaled. Even with one side of the circuit opened the DC appears.

It would be a great accomplishment to actually come up with formulas for design of opening these outflows or inflows of energy, and methods to couple it effeciently and control it better.

Dave L

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on December 27, 2007, 06:24:26 PM
Hi David,
   Can you provide photographs of your experimental setup and scope traces?

thanks

mark.

PS. I'll email directly.

Good ideas Otto,

I will work with them as I get time and equipment, thanks.

First trying a pure sine wave, the DC component is still present but far lower voltage is getting through the coil network at 15 Mhz. The square wave is probably generating all the correct harmonics for me, rather then using the 3 exact ones.

Cold coils:
Because working with only three control coils you can only have one reversed in magnetic polarity, then all will not run cold.
Best guess, if you want your control coils to all run cold you will need six of them on the ring, every other one will be reversed, then the tempic field between them should all be in opposing spin and more energy will move through the torsion fields. This takes us down to the vector equilibrium model [Bucky Fuller]!  The core center of tempic field vectors.

I do not know if this will create cold energy but I can see why the six points may have advantage now. The spacing between all the six coils must be accurate, all the same for the harmonic platonic resonance to form. Searl used sets of 12.

My control coils are 6 turns because here is where I could feel a torsion resonance between them and the collector coil. With this mass ratio, the torsion is already coupled, so I need far less EM energy to transfer energy between them. When you get the mass balanced you can sense the torsion flow. [This is from work with scalar coils.] The first bigger coil I built did not have this ratio correct but still does work for the DC output.

The amazing thing is that I have not connected my 12 volts to these coils yet, but was just studying thier NMR qualities, and torsion field output. I have already done the finger coil experiment with a light bulb, but have yet to build my pulsing circuitry to get the bulb to light up very bright.

The reason for straightening the wire between the control coils into a triangle, is so the torsion fields can pass between them with less resistance.
Torsion will propagate better along a straight wire, or at a sharp turn of the correct angle. If one wants to tap the torsion energy then these node points become obvious, and angles are already set up to aid the flow [longitudinal waves]. If the energy is comming up through the platonic resonance of copper, then these angles would be the best conduit. One long straight copper mass can thus generate one torsion angle, and a spin field coherence will form. The 90 degree coil at the center will alter the spin angle of the entire nuclear mass, as well as its density. This was my thinking in trying this setup from work done with the tube devices.

Dave L

Quote from: otto on December 28, 2007, 03:34:16 AM
Hello Dave,

your picture is great.

Maybe you should try to use more turns for your controls. Here a few ideas:

1.Change your triangle form into a water drop form (egg form) but be careful because such a collector is heating up.
2. With a round collector coil.Connect 12VDC from a power supply to 1 end of the control coils. You have then 3 hot coils, the coil where the 12VDC is connected is the hottest.
3.Then connect this 12VDC BETWEEN  2 control coils and feel or better measure the temperature of the 3 control coils.

Of course I made such tests and got 1 hot control coil and 2 cold controls or 2 hot controls and 1 cold......use just square waves.

Now the million dollar question: do we really need fast pulses??? NO!!

Im pulsing now my TPU with "something" like a combination of kicks - sine waves with a very slow rising - falling time of the signals and I have the same good light on my bulb. It depends how the 3 collectors are connected, nothing else.

Otto

PS: I almost forgot: try to connect the controls and the collector in series. Can you measure the magnetic field?

Hello all,

@Dave,

I forgot: your controls should be wound in the manner that there is a gap between the control coil and the collector. If the diameter of your collector is for example 1cm then your control coil should have the inner diameter greater than 1cm, maybe 1.5 or 2cm. In this way the field can rotate without be "disturbed" by the control coils.

Another point: try to have really sharp edges of the collector.

Otto

Otto,

Here is my thinking on cooling down the control coils using opposing magnetic fields.

For low frequency sine wave work an iron tie wire can be crossed between the coils passing through them between the rings, to amplify this magnetic field opposition, but a large torsion field will pop out and may be noticable if any iron is added to the device. Watch for scalar microwaves or headaches if using iron with square waves.

Its no wonder I felt my coils pushing away from each other, they are!

Dave L

@Dave,

something must be clear: only the coils in the ECD TPU are overheating. In oridinary controls, wound all over the collector the temperature is normal, the controls are only a little warm.

Your drawing is OK but remember that a TPU is 1 3/4" high. If you have 2 collectors you must have a "connection" of the fields in a vertical direction.

As I cant post on weekends I hope I will see your results on Monday.

If you decide to pulse your coils like we all do, dont forget to connect a bulb as load because there is a big chance for a runaway.

Otto

PS: Iron - no way for me!! It heats up. Dont burn your fingers when the iron gets really hot.

Quote from: otto on December 28, 2007, 08:12:42 AM
If you decide to pulse your coils like we all do, dont forget to connect a bulb as load because there is a big chance for a runaway.

@libra

I would encourage you to do your own thing, your ideas are original, don't get sucked in too much by other posters, no disrespect to them, but if you do you will end up with what they have, nothing! (as do I, I hasten to add, as I do not build)

Go with your instinct it has got you far, continue to listen to it, tune out the noise!

A

Dave,

In your lower two scope shots, we can't see the stair step signal any longer.  (you're zoomed in)

Are you still feeding in a square wave?

Just curious if you tried feeding just the 3 coils in series WITHOUT the series connection to your triangular coil.  In other words, break the connection between them and keep them separate.  Then just scope the triangular coil by itself and see if you have the DC offset.

EM

I have tried every config I can think of for wiring the coils.
The DC signal only appears when all the coils have the correct phasing. The whole loop is CCW wound.
Big coil CCW to first small coil on right then top left then bottom then out, just like in the diagram above.

It is strange that if I reverse the polarity or the sequence the DC goes away totally. A total reversal of all coils will not produce the DC component. It seems to be from some kind of reverse precession crashing force, and as it locks in, the wave can drop right off the screen. This must be squeezing the hose?

When the frequency is raised above the NMR rate, then the square waves become those small pulses you see as one straight line, no longer offset by the copper swinging back and forth [the NMR ringing is gone its frequency is lower then the signal applied], this is where the DC pops in. As far as my scope can see at the 20Mhz range it does not change or pop back up anywhere. If it was a standing wave you would expect it to at least toggle when the frequency is altered on the scope. DC voltmeter reads - 1.93 volts.

This coil needs very little wire in it to do this. I have made several larger ones, even one that is 1 foot on a side with 24 turns, exactly the same effect and little seems to be gained by using more wire. Sound familiar?

On the large coil of 1 foot per side, resembeling a delta T antenna, I have a sine wave resonance around 700 Khz. When it hits resonance the sine wave jumps to over 170 volts peak to peak, from a 10 volt sine wave input. I do not recall resonance causing this much of a gain in past times but I suppose it can. With no load this is no indication of actual power gain, only voltage gain at a high impedence point of the circuit.

I have read that reversing a coil can be the difference of this working or not working, I can confirm this. I can only find one config that produces it. This would indicate that maybe we need to push electrons spin only one direction, and no other direction will work.

Dave L

Quote from: EMdevices on December 28, 2007, 09:30:56 PM
Dave,

In your lower two scope shots, we can't see the stair step signal any longer.  (you're zoomed in)

Are you still feeding in a square wave?

Just curious if you tried feeding just the 3 coils in series WITHOUT the series connection to your triangular coil.  In other words, break the connection between them and keep them separate.  Then just scope the triangular coil by itself and see if you have the DC offset.

EM

Dave,
   I did a quick replication. Under no circumstances can I find any indication of DC offset.

Can you repeat the test and confirm that you do have a real DC offset and no measurment errors.

If you do confirm a true DC ofset can you photograph and fully document the exact setup.

thanks

mark.

Libra-Spirit -new message ;D

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3247.0;topicseen

Well this is not a good note to start off on! LOL!

Your duplication looks better then mine!

Might turn out to be some glitch in my equipment. I will try to find another scope to compare my results.
In the mean time maybe try a different coil route, there is only one that gives me this result. Also my wire is twisted, don't see how that would matter at the present moment.

Now if by some freek accident I have a microwave resonance then I probably will not be able to make another coil that does this!

I better start to look at all my equipment. Also I can pull the coil apart and confirm its turns count.

Telephone jumper wire has about 4 twists per 6 inches in it, I wonder if this is the mobius coil principle at work that Otto studied? Somewhere I read that the twist must be in the CC coils or they did not work.

Thanks,
Dave L

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on December 29, 2007, 03:13:21 AM
Dave,
   I did a quick replication. Under no circumstances can I find any indication of DC offset.

Can you repeat the test and confirm that you do have a real DC offset and no measurment errors.

If you do confirm a true DC ofset can you photograph and fully document the exact setup.

thanks

mark.

G'day Libra,

You say in one of your posts:

To understand copper and how the mass of the copper atoms is floating inside the electron shell, we get the sense of sloshing back EM or CEMF. [NMR theory] There is a delay of 90 degrees between the voltage and the current and this translates into a very real and true angle in space.

The isotope chains in copper are magnetic and attach end to end precessing and connected on there ends between adjacent atoms. This is the bassis of David Hamels cones using Aluminum. The Nuclear magnetic field is weak in atoms but in copper aluminum and bismuth it is strong enough to couple with the electron shell for manipulation of the mass of the atoms, as the electrons shells are normally neutral or non magnetic.


Is this true also for zinc??

Hans von Lieven

Good -- If your DC ofset is real then it's significant. So first thing is to confirm that it's really there. If it is then we need to do a replication -- an exact replication. If that works then we can start to change things to find out what makes it work.

cheers

mark.

Quote from: libra_spirit on December 29, 2007, 01:35:20 PM
Might turn out to be some glitch in my equipment. I will try to find another scope to compare my results.
In the mean time maybe try a different coil route, there is only one that gives me this result. Also my wire is twisted, don't see how that would matter at the present moment.

Now if by some freek accident I have a microwave resonance then I probably will not be able to make another coil that does this!

I better start to look at all my equipment. Also I can pull the coil apart and confirm its turns count.

Telephone jumper wire has about 4 twists per 6 inches in it, I wonder if this is the mobius coil principle at work that Otto studied? Somewhere I read that the twist must be in the CC coils or they did not work.

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on December 29, 2007, 03:13:21 AM

Mark,

I have a hi fi 100 Mhz scope now to compare and have been tinkering with all the coils to see what is going on here.

The best coil is the larger one, 43 turns on the 3 inch winding and 11 turns on the smaller windings. This effect is not always present!
When you fire up the coils, and I have two in series, the ones in the photos above, there is a peroid of time before the effect fully manifests. It also gets stronger over time as you touch the coils and play with them, like this is a charging of some kind. My work is on a steel bench so setting them down adds inductance, but after they charge up I can lay them down and they still work.

1st thing is you must remove the high resistance x100 probe lead to see these small DC changes. You can use a direct connection into the scope. 2nd thing be sure your scope is grounded to the function generator.

I get a consistant negative DC component with all the bigger coils within a few minutes of energizing them and then handeling them, but using only the small one, 8 turns on the large coil and six turns on the side coils it is not always working.

I experimented with touching the coil at different points and touching the 90 degree coils and sliding them around. As you touch them of corse 15Mhz causes capacitive couplings like crazy. But once the DC starts to appear, it is rock solid and does not go away. Now shut the coil down and fire it up again and instant DC. I suspect the mass alignment will dispurse over time. Come back in an hour and now a delay again to get the effect.

Not the kind of science we like to observe, but worthy of note because this is the effect SM is claiming is present on the TPU. Squeezing the hose. I tried squeezing the coils also! LOL! It helps to start the effect. It alters the angle of the coils and wires, there may be a correct angle possible for starting this effect up faster.

Gyroscopic effects in copper:
Due to all the question on gyroscopic effect in copper I am preparing a presentation to show how I got to this point. It was not a guess but is clearly demonstrated in study of NMR, where if one is alert will recongnize resonance traces as the same thing we observe in antenna work. NMR resonance in copper is unique because it becomes coherently coupled along its entire length.

The only place we find coils setting at 90 degrees to one another in our present technology is in MRI scanners, and study of these is essential to getting up to speed on what is known about the atoms of copper. In NMR study copper is not spoken of, and if you ever have one done you will find out they do not allow any metal to be in the room as a scan is being performed.

Dave L

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on December 29, 2007, 03:18:53 PM
Good -- If your DC ofset is real then it's significant. So first thing is to confirm that it's really there. If it is then we need to do a replication -- an exact replication. If that works then we can start to change things to find out what makes it work.

cheers

mark.

Quote from: libra_spirit on December 29, 2007, 01:35:20 PM
Might turn out to be some glitch in my equipment. I will try to find another scope to compare my results.
In the mean time maybe try a different coil route, there is only one that gives me this result. Also my wire is twisted, don't see how that would matter at the present moment.

Now if by some freek accident I have a microwave resonance then I probably will not be able to make another coil that does this!

I better start to look at all my equipment. Also I can pull the coil apart and confirm its turns count.

Telephone jumper wire has about 4 twists per 6 inches in it, I wonder if this is the mobius coil principle at work that Otto studied? Somewhere I read that the twist must be in the CC coils or they did not work.

Quote from: MarkSnoswell on December 29, 2007, 03:13:21 AM

Sounds like there is a "RF Probe" effect occurring somewhere?

All that is needed is a parasitic junction and some capacitance.

Dave,

thanks for the answer.

I don't know what to say besides encouraging you to try to further understand your setup and trying to maximize the DC voltage.   Maybe try a capacitor on the output to try and smooth the DC.

You mentioned that at one point the DC voltage is really high since the waveform drops of the screen.  I hope I understood that correctly, since you mention only 1.9 volts.

oh, I should say that the ringing after the square wave transitions is not NMR.  It is electomagnetic ringing, either from LC resonances or standing waves etc..    NMR is very very very very weak.   You won't see that on the scopes.  (I discussed this with experts in the field)    Also, NMR is dependent on the ambient magnetic field.  So to convince yourself bring a magnet near by and see if the FREQUENCY of this ringing changes.  You will find that it does not.

Anyhow, keep up the good work,


@Mark

Mark you Satan worshiper you   LOL   :D

Why are your coils looking different then Dave's?    LOL

EM

"All that is needed is a parasitic junction and some capacitance."

In both scopes or in the coils themselves or in the twisted joints of the wires? Should I solder them?

A diode effect causing a nonlinear function, and a capacator to store it? Could be, I don't know at this point. If no one else gets the result then I better move on. But if there was a diode in operation would it not distort the ac wave as well?

Coils interacting at 90 degrees is not a simple thing to understand.

I posted a document to better organize my thought process, and maybe give a direction.

http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/GyroEffects.htm (http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/GyroEffects.htm)

Dave L

Hi libra_spirit and MarkSnoswell:

The abilities that you display on the forum are quite impressive. Thank you for your contributions.

Scopes and probes can be an issue. I feel confident that you are aware of these issues and hopefully overcome them.

I experience different effects with different pulse polarities as well.

Knowing how the conductors are wound (left-hand versus right-hand rules perhaps) I am curious what hemisphere you two are in.
It might not mean anything but could also explain some different effects.

Yes, I am making a very stretched reach toward a magnetic, or maybe radiant, Coriolis effect. :)

Thanks again and take care.

nap

Mark,

Or should I call you Satan? LOL!

Ask the good expert what happens if you place a coil of wire inside an MRI scanner that is cut to the exact wavelength of the machines frequency that scans for copper. Now ask him if he will try this? LOL!

My point is that the NMR fields doing the work are comming from copper and they are generating the fields that do the scanning. They are doing this at the resonant frequency of copper atoms they are scanning for, and the same frequency must be resonating on the coil to accomplish this goal. Is this a big coincidence? LOL!

They generally go out of their way to avoid any such possible coherent resonances in anything larger then the tissue sample they are scanning and the control coils of the machine. Please just read the new document, it is a possible alternate view.

No doctor will be experimenting with an NMR scanner to validate this concept. It has never been their goal to understand AC fields in copper but to understand field resonance in a small group of atoms scattered in the human body. A few million copper atoms in the body will not interact the same as a piece of wire coherently tunned to one frequency.

Dave L

Quote from: EMdevices on December 30, 2007, 12:09:14 PM
Dave,

thanks for the answer.

I don't know what to say besides encouraging you to try to further understand your setup and trying to maximize the DC voltage.   Maybe try a capacitor on the output to try and smooth the DC.

You mentioned that at one point the DC voltage is really high since the waveform drops of the screen.  I hope I understood that correctly, since you mention only 1.9 volts.

oh, I should say that the ringing after the square wave transitions is not NMR.  It is electomagnetic ringing, either from LC resonances or standing waves etc..    NMR is very very very very weak.   You won't see that on the scopes.  (I discussed this with experts in the field)    Also, NMR is dependent on the ambient magnetic field.  So to convince yourself bring a magnet near by and see if the FREQUENCY of this ringing changes.  You will find that it does not.

Anyhow, keep up the good work,


@Mark

Mark you Satan worshiper you   LOL   :D

Why are your coils looking different then Dave's?    LOL

EM

I don't think so but I have not worked with zinc other then to make it into a battery,

http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi (http://www.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/aj39/NMRmap.cgi)

Zinc - nuclear magnetic moment is 1 and the natural abundance of this isotope is only 4.17 %.
This means that in naturally occuring zinc only 4 percent will even respond at the nucleus magnetically and when they do the force interaction will be minimal.

Copper - nuclear magnetic moment has two isotopes around 3 and the natural abundance will add up to nearly 80 percent.
It has a low resistance to electron flow

Aluminum - magnetic moment is 4.3 and its abundance is 100 percent, there is only one form of pure aluminum isotopes and every atom is responsive diamagnetically. It has twice the resistance to electron flow as copper on the electron shell.

Bismuth - is the top performer at this range if you want to study its qualities
magnetic moment 4.5   abundance 100 % and a nuclear spin of 9/2
However its resistance on the electron shell is very high.

Drop a slug of bismuth into the center of a Joe cell and it nearly blows the top of your head off as a heavy feeling torsion field moves out of the cell.
I just love this stuff!

Dave L

Quote from: hansvonlieven on December 29, 2007, 02:04:35 PM
G'day Libra,

You say in one of your posts:

To understand copper and how the mass of the copper atoms is floating inside the electron shell, we get the sense of sloshing back EM or CEMF. [NMR theory] There is a delay of 90 degrees between the voltage and the current and this translates into a very real and true angle in space.

The isotope chains in copper are magnetic and attach end to end precessing and connected on there ends between adjacent atoms. This is the bassis of David Hamels cones using Aluminum. The Nuclear magnetic field is weak in atoms but in copper aluminum and bismuth it is strong enough to couple with the electron shell for manipulation of the mass of the atoms, as the electrons shells are normally neutral or non magnetic.


Is this true also for zinc??

Hans von Lieven

Thanks Dave for a lucid and comprehensive answer. It is very much appreciated.

Hans von Lieven

Mark,

Thanks for the input on NMR, I have altered the document to reflect a more accurrate vocabulary and added a section to describe photon flows on a wire as EM waves move through it! Excellent input.

My next experiment will be to study the effect a magnetic field has on the initial spike of voltage, and if there is a maximum angle that will help increase its velocity and thus voltage reaching capability for both a positive pulse and a negative pulse.

I will be placing a magnet by one side of a coil and slowly turning its angle as I pulse the wire.

I believe that both waves will be taking a different path through the wire, one jumping between electron shells and one hopping between proton shells.

Dave L

Quote from: slapper on December 30, 2007, 12:13:47 PM
Hi libra_spirit and MarkSnoswell:

The abilities that you display on the forum are quite impressive. Thank you for your contributions.

Scopes and probes can be an issue. I feel confident that you are aware of these issues and hopefully overcome them.

I experience different effects with different pulse polarities as well.

Knowing how the conductors are wound (left-hand versus right-hand rules perhaps) I am curious what hemisphere you two are in.
It might not mean anything but could also explain some different effects.

Yes, I am making a very stretched reach toward a magnetic, or maybe radiant, Coriolis effect. :)

Thanks again and take care.

nap

Hi Dave, EM,

in my 2magclashTPU experiment, placing a very strong NEO near the Control Coils has been one of first tests I did.

Conclusion: NO WAY TO CHANGE THE 5MHz 5 CYCLES sinusoidal train following the switched waveform trailing edge. 

Just to be sure If remember well I tried also to put a tank capacitor in order to see if any way to tamper the 5MHz:  NO WAY.

The 5MHz oscillation was ROCK-STABLE insensible to any effort to change it! I took it as NMR.

So I used it to take out power as the oscillations were so strong (> 150V ptp if I remember well): all is well documented and to your disposition.

I did said test following Dave suggestion as reported in his published document. Anyway I must say that inspite of any effort I've not been able to obtain any OU as Dave suggested!

Roberto

Quote from: ronotte on January 02, 2008, 02:27:03 PM
Hi Dave, EM,

in my 2magclashTPU experiment, placing a very strong NEO near the Control Coils has been one of first tests I did.

Conclusion: NO WAY TO CHANGE THE 5MHz 5 CYCLES sinusoidal train following the switched waveform trailing edge. 

Just to be sure If remember well I tried also to put a tank capacitor in order to see if any way to tamper the 5MHz:  NO WAY.

The 5MHz oscillation was ROCK-STABLE insensible to any effort to change it! I took it as NMR.

So I used it to take out power as the oscillations were so strong (> 150V ptp if I remember well): all is well documented and to your disposition.

I did said test following Dave suggestion as reported in his published document. Anyway I must say that inspite of any effort I've not been able to obtain any OU as Dave suggested!

Roberto

Good info Roberto thanks for relaying that experiment.
I have still been reworking the document and adding changes to my basic though progression as the interactions become clearer.

Another very compelling though has come up, that of extracting current, from a voltage source by tapping certain parts of the waves cycle.
I added near the end my thinking.

Thanks all for the responses.

On the magnet experiments I came up with very similiar results and Marks info was correct and much appreciated. However there is a link in AC to the mass rotation, but not exactly what I had formulated earlier. We shall see what transpires!

Dave L

Otto showed that specific lengths of wire interact differently to the initial spike of the square wave.

There are other examples of wires cut to specific lengths where some kind of nuclear torsion rises strongly out of the wires.
We discovered these lengths on the scalar coils using absolutly no EM.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/EarthGrid.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/EarthGrid.htm)

Lyle Lathem had developed a particular coil length that seems to strongly light up with torsion and we were studying it looking for connections to the earths grid. I had a feeling it might also be something about the wire or copper itself.

If these specific lengths of copper wire tend to inhibit induction, or expand the diamagnetic field, then fast pulses may pass with less resistance. Simply due to a force in the wire controlling the nuclear tilt. Lyle had one config that randomly produced voltages, but he could never predict this effect.

44 feet 6 inches is the length he used to power all his scalar devices. 44 feet on the coils and 3 inches on each lead comming off them.

I wound several of these and they do produce a strong torsion field as well as react to crystals very strongly setting them into a vibration.
He combined them with 10 foot lengths wound at 90 degrees and said this was the config that would sometimes charge up to 30 volts.

I just placed one of these coils wrapped on a bolt between a funct gen and the scope. It is a perfect 4x wave of 5Mhz!
The square waves sync up perfectly with the sine wave ringing. The coils ringing rate is 4x of 5Mhz. Two sine pulses appears on each step of the square wave, what a surprise.

Definitly something unique about this wire length, but how does it relate to EM? And why does the 5Mhz appear in copper.

The ESR and NMR rates change with magnetic field strength. In copper with no magnetic field there is no ESR interaction.
If we can get photons to start moving one direction in a length of copper then voltage will appear.

Dave L

Hi Dave,

generally speaking both Otto and myself did not find, associated with the 6" TPU, any exact coil lenght to justify a motive. Actually what I can say is that said coils (that we commonly name CC Contro Coils) must use short lenght of wire: generally best results are reached with 5 meter wire lenght. As soon as you move to higher lenght the effects are going to lessen ...but gradually. So You ask what do I mean for 'effect', well I only refere to output peak voltage obtained (on ECD mobius) and proportionally to light amount on  a mainly resistive load such as a 230V/60W lamp. So I've not find any applicable rule. The ECD for itself is a wide-band device tailored for pulse operation: it's auto-resonance is well beyond the 10 MHz range.  If you pulse ECD you will discover how easy it puts out power at almost any freq or freq combinations: the problem with ECD and with TPUs is that some set of 3 freq does it better.....very, very difficult to discover. Anyway the standard set F1, F2=2*F1 and F3=7*F1 seems the best up to now...but it must not be considered as definitive!

I've read many times the Latem coil issues, tried to better understand what he did in order to eventually duplicate his design but I gave it up for the lack of details. If you did it perhaps you may PM me such details.

Roberto

5 Mhz rock solid signal identification.

Further study on these sine wave pulses that emerge on 90 degree coils setups, that seem to ring the E vector potiential, creating what resembles an NMR trace or a resonance pulse.

Ok we have dtermined they are not a result of NMR as a magnet does not effect them in frequency whatsoever.

I am however now dismayed that they also do not follow a length change of the wire and thus do not have to do the with wires resonant length! This is a direct conflict with current EM theory I believe.
If they are related to the wires length then how come if I cut the wires to half as long they are not effected? This brings up quite a puzzle. Besides the wires I am using are too short to generate a 5 Mhz resonance.

I have used different power supplies, one is an old 60 hz unit, and the other is a HF newer unit. I have not tried a 12 volt battery as of yet, but if this were a power supply recovery rate, then I would expect the frequency to vary between power supplies.

The only component I can identify them with is the c velocity of the photons traversing the coppers length. That is if I change the dielectric constant around the E field area there is a definite shift in the length of these ringing sine waves. They are only a fixed frequency in one dielectric substance.

This is all a surprise for me, as Mark had me nearly convinced that current engineering could explain this phenomina. I am not seeing this however as respect the rock solid 5 Mhz component.

Where does it come from, and why is it there in copper all the time?

There is a lightspeed connection we have realized over on the c_s_s_p group that may have bearing and yet I cannot yet explain this with a model connecting it all together.

Light has been connected to the number 144. I have no idea how this relates, however 44 1/2 is 1/4 wavelength of this frequency that copper seems to have built into it based on light velocity or dielectric constant. 44.5 x 2 = 89 x 1.618 = 144 = LIGHT

1.618 is phi

So this seemingly rock solid frequency appearing in the trailing pulse of a square wave in copper is related to lights velocity by a phi ratio factor?

Incredible.

The jury is still out on what this is we see on the scope traces and what it actually means to us.

Dave L

Dave..... Dave.....Dave     (with Oddesy 2000 accent  LOL)


See it's not NMR, but what is it?   It has to be electromagnetic resonance, you just need to figure out what is causing it.   

One clue, not everything depends on length , it's only the standing wave resonance that depends on it (tesla coils, microwave resonators, etc..)  but most resonant things involving coils, expecially at low frequencies (where the wavelength is larger then your room  LOL)   are dictated by LC resonance, i.e. some capacitance and some inductance.

EM

@Dave,
To confuse the issue even more I suggest a bit of cross pollination!

Some one else already pointed out the following link and I found it so relevant that I think is worth repeating.
Only the first page is useful!

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/473-radiant-energy.html
look out for posts by SHAD. Sadly he has vanished.
AM

Quote from: EMdevices on January 04, 2008, 06:11:20 PM
Dave..... Dave.....Dave     (with Oddesy 2000 accent  LOL)


See it's not NMR, but what is it?   It has to be electromagnetic resonance, you just need to figure out what is causing it.   

One clue, not everything depends on length , it's only the standing wave resonance that depends on it (tesla coils, microwave resonators, etc..)  but most resonant things involving coils, expecially at low frequencies (where the wavelength is larger then your room  LOL)   are dictated by LC resonance, i.e. some capacitance and some inductance.

EM

Yes I know, and this is what is a bit un nereving. If it was a normal resonance as in a BFO type circuit operating at say 5 Mhz, altering the inductance would effect the frequency almost instantly, and we see these kind of resonant circuits shift around the frequency all over the place if we even get near them. The 5 Mhz is rock solid and even cuting the wires by half has no effect.

This leaves the scope leads and the input capacitance of the scope. Once again 1/ 2pi FC means a shift of either cap or induct should have a greater effect on the output frequency and a smooth change as we clip the length off.

The main difference with this setup and an oscillator, this wave form is setting right on the tip of a shock wave type pulse to the wires, flipping from 0 volts to +12 volts and stopping dead. This happens in the wires before current flows so is suposedly photons bouncing back and forth off both ends of the wire at the resonant frequency. And yet there is no relation to wires resonant frequency.

I wonder do wires driven by vacuum tubes have this ringing voltage component also when hit with square waves?

Driving the wires with semiconductors requires an avalanch of current to flow, is there something about semiconductors to explain this ringing wave being so stuck at 5 Mhz?

Dave L

Dave,  are you using the same setup with the triangular coil, and reducing the length of the triangular coil only? 

Are you also altering the length (or number of turns) of the 3 sector coils?

If length doesn't matter, remove all the wire !!

You should be able to reduce the complexity to the bare elements, and find your source of resonance.

If all else fails, and you end up with a straight connection from your SIGNAL GENERATOR to your SCOPE, then it could be an internal problem in the scope leads or inside the equipment, who knows.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on January 05, 2008, 06:38:11 PM
Dave,  are you using the same setup with the triangular coil, and reducing the length of the triangular coil only? 

Are you also altering the length (or number of turns) of the 3 sector coils?

If length doesn't matter, remove all the wire !!

You should be able to reduce the complexity to the bare elements, and find your source of resonance.

If all else fails, and you end up with a straight connection from your SIGNAL GENERATOR to your SCOPE, then it could be an internal problem in the scope leads or inside the equipment, who knows.

EM

Its not resonance, as we are taught in electronics. A strong shock to the copper generates a pressure wave against the mass, the result is a torsion shock to the wires mass I believe. I have already done this 100's of times now and any length of wire to either scope does this to some extent. The 5Mhz pulse is impossible to eliminate.

I also connected up some IRFP250's to various coils with 90 degree coils on them. The spikes start to go very high, as in off the scope over 200 volts. This lights up bulbs dimly with only one frequency, with 2 it gets very intresting and a very very small change in frequency canhave a great effect. The same frequency appears, as though this were a constant. It also relates back to Lyles 44.5 foot coils which I have been investigating as well. This has taken me down another path for the moment using iron of 44.5 inch lengths which seem to exhibit a similiar quality as the copper 44.5 foot coils. Deep into pyramids at the moment deciphering this spin off, and connection with light.

I have gained a new vision of electricity from this however, its all done with photons! LOL! All energy starts as Light. Moving electrons is a secondary operation where the current starts to flow.

Photons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Thanks,
Dave L

QuotePhotons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Dave,  please leave theoretical physics to the qualified  (not me by the way).

Now, you mention that you connect any length of wire between your scope and gen.

Do you still have the 3 coils wrapped around it?

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on January 06, 2008, 08:45:05 PM

QuotePhotons can propagate along three paths, their electric, magnetic, or tempic vectors, and thus we have three paths of light interacting.
The field forces are photons of light in different paths. Circular or spherical - electric, donut - magnetic, and linear or radiant.
The radiant photons are only bent by gravity and travel relatively straight, the EM forces create matter and trap light into its small circular paths, of electric and magnetic fields. As light takes the radiant path energy is transferred to another position in space or between atoms at c velocities.

Dave,  please leave theoretical physics to the qualified  (not me by the way).

Now, you mention that you connect any length of wire between your scope and gen.

Do you still have the 3 coils wrapped around it?

EM

EM have you done any experiment with hitting copper wire with square waves? You should try to answer these questions from direct experiment to get a feel for what is happening, as I can not prove this at distance. There are simply some correlating data that could be used to explain what we are seeing differently then the Electronics experts may be envsioning. Here is my latest model, from direct experiment.

[Update note on TPU research]

The Ringing sine waves produced during rapid rise time pulsing of a copper loop of wire can not be associated with either wire resonant length or NMR resonance.
It is my belief these near 5 Mhz waves are of a torsional nature and are a reflection of gravity waves or tempic field waves having to do with light velocity in copper.
The distance of 44.5 feet as found in Lyle Lathems coils, is 1/4 wavelength of this natural frequency showing up in copper wire that is receiving a torsion shock. Lyles coils produce a strong torsion field because a 1/4 wave length is a canceling stub and creates a scalar canceling of the gravity waves.

Identifying the torsional shock mechanism
As E field propagates along the skin of the wire, a negative voltage gradient moves down a wire along its outside area first, skin effect. This produces a strong attraction to the nuclear mass at the proton layer which has a positive charge. Protons layer is pulled outwards quickly towards the skin of the wire, and receives a shock. This shock has been known to blow wires apart at very high voltages.
As a positive E vector voltage propagates the wire at c velocity, the Proton mass is pushed inwards generating a compressing mass shock into the wire. A 5 Mhz ringing wave is observed as the voltage stabilized at the new E field level which is not effected in frequency by wire length or magnetic field present.

We know that the major energy of the E field is moving along its surface and even outside the wire as photons in the electric field, as a dielectric insulator will effects it's propagation velocity.

For theoretical physics you can reference http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nspin.html#c2 (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/nspin.html#c2)
I am not writing the physics stuff myself as to photons and propagation of E vector potiential along a wires skin at c velocity.

Thanks,
Dave L

Ok Dave I'm not going to ask anymore questions seeing you're not answering them.
Just so you know, I don't subscribe to your theories, but if they help you explain your observations then good for you.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on January 08, 2008, 04:56:43 PM
Ok Dave I'm not going to ask anymore questions seeing you're not answering them.
Just so you know, I don't subscribe to your theories, but if they help you explain your observations then good for you.

EM

EM,

Good approach, never believe anything you have not witnessed for yourself.

Set up a copper wire of any length say 1 meter , wrap a 90 degree coil on it of say 5 meters, pulse it with square waves, see if you find the 5Mhz sine wave pulse, and then based on your EM experience, please show us what it is and how to alter its frequency. Say a shift down to 1 Mhz, how would that be done using EM theory and formulas?

Dave L

Dave, I've been doing this since last year and I've seen enough ringing after the sharp transitions of a square wave to know what's causing it and I'm fully aware of the theory behind it.

Now you've finally answered my question and I can see you are still using the 90 degree coils, so there is no mystery for me anymore.  I thought you had some other experiment going and no matter what you did you still had some mysterious 5 Mhz signal.  Now I see you're still messing with your basic 3 coil setup you posted earlier.

As far as the answers you want, it's for you to find out why you're getting the ringing since you might learn something in the process.  I'll give you one hint, change your 90 degree coils, and stop messing with the length of the main wire, it's length has nothing to do with it. You might learn something about the self resonant modes of coils and maybe something about 90 degree coupling while you're at it.

EM

Quote from: EMdevices on January 08, 2008, 11:21:23 PM
Dave, I've been doing this since last year and I've seen enough ringing after the sharp transitions of a square wave to know what's causing it and I'm fully aware of the theory behind it.

Now you've finally answered my question and I can see you are still using the 90 degree coils, so there is no mystery for me anymore.  I thought you had some other experiment going and no matter what you did you still had some mysterious 5 Mhz signal.  Now I see you're still messing with your basic 3 coil setup you posted earlier.

As far as the answers you want, it's for you to find out why you're getting the ringing since you might learn something in the process.  I'll give you one hint, change your 90 degree coils, and stop messing with the length of the main wire, it's length has nothing to do with it. You might learn something about the self resonant modes of coils and maybe something about 90 degree coupling while you're at it.

EM

Thanks for the tip EM.
I got sidetracked on an offshoot of this anyway.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/LightTech.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/LightTech.htm)

Its hard to read all the posts on this site as there are now thousands it would seem. Is there a particular thread I should focus on to catch up with you all?

Thanks,
Dave L

Hi Dave,

The first thread that started everything is the "The Master of Magnetics, Steven Mark",  it's up top and locked so you can't post in it any longer, but it's great reading. There you will find the correspondence from Steven Mark himself (via Mannix)   etc..

I sympathize with you and others that are just joining these discussions, there are now so many threads here it's ridiculous.   It seems Otto and Ronnote are getting some interesting results now, you can follow there discussion under the thread "Steven Marks TPU".

However, the best course of action is just to experiment and have fun. 

EM

TPU related info:

A vector resonance:
As we shock the wires using square waves of sharp rise time, there was exposed a natural frequency that is extremely hard to get rid of. On closer examination it could not rightly be associated with wire EM resonance or with NMR and yet apears to be present and stronger in certain lengths of wire then in others. The nature of this is one of a fractal pattern and acts like what we might expect an A vector or "non curl field" to do.

The result of probing this further reveals that certain wire lengths react differently then others with respect to this phenomina. Otto found this also and realized something important I believe when he set out trimming the wire and observing the output of the pulses, but never continued to locate precise length charting to identify the fractal base nature of what we have come to call the "nodes" and located very precisely.

What this boils down to is that if we take a tempic resonant wire length and cut it into 8 equal pieces, each one will now exhibit the same shock resonance. Cut these each into 8 more and so on and so on.

These wire lengths will thus resonate at a host of sine frequencies based on the fractal system rather then the natural harmonics of EM we are familiar with. This is yet to be fully explored and recorded.

If you take and cut an iron wire to 15.1796" and form it into a circle, or take a copper wire 10' 1 - 9/16" and roll it on a 1-1/4" core diameter. Now start to send frequencies into the wire while touching it with a finger, you will see the pattern. As you slowly alter the frequency anywhere between 5Hz and 20Mhz you will find sweet spots where the energy flares up to some kind of resonance. This happens at almost any frequency band because one pressure fractal is present near the correct EM range.

Now wind one scalar cancelling and one normal coil and set them at 90 degrees and touch the joint between them while injecting signal into the two coils in series. At a host of frequencies of sine or square waves you will get a taste of the cold electricity and it can fill you with energy, or numbness, depending on the height of the peaking.

I have also taken considerable time to make coil forms of special lengths to see what happens when these are used inside coils.
The A vector resonant lengths seem to compound if used in all the coils dimensions. I have been using Aluminum Bismuth coil forms for this tempic energy, and not iron cores, because this exposes the diamagnetic qualities of the field as does the copper with air core used in the TPU system.

These diamagnetic fields are capturing the "A vector potiental" rather then the magnetic field per say. The reason that Ottos mobius rings worked better with an exact spacing between them I believe. The A vector potiential has no curl, and in fact is more like radiant light travelling in a straight line path with a linear distance force interaction at equidistant nodal spin points along the radiation path representing the fractal based length. Energy transfer across several inches of air is common with the A vector and peaks at the correct distances. This can be shown using toroidal cores that can transfer EM without a magnetic field.

Using torsion sensing or psi function we have tried to chart a great many of these special wire lengths in the matrix document, but I would expect that anyone can feel the cold energy surge in one of the above mentioned setups using the length given, and simply tuning the frequency very slowly at low voltages while touching the wires.

http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm (http://magnetism.fateback.com/Matrix.htm)

While I have not personally had time to apply these lengths to TPU like devices I think the knowledge may have application here also, because it offers an effect not being noticed by the mainstream EM Tech people, yet is the natural propagation method for toroidal layouts.

1- "A vector potiental" has finite resonant lengths of distance, where the background tempic field seems to generate its own natural pulse rate. The TPU was layed out with only specific possible distances or diamaters for useful effects. All matter is also layed out this way.

2- These lengths can be subdivided as fractals and will still function.

3- When the EM pulse rate matches the natural A vector pulse rate then things really light up. I'm not yet sure what this will translate to for EM circuits but the A vector has far less loss when traveling through copper then electric current.

4- Syncronization is encountered at a great many EM frequencies and therefore an accelerating rotating magnetic field would hit a great many sweet spots as it builds toward higher frequency, on a fixed length distance resonant system.

However the addition of capacitors to the wires will greatly limit the frequencies available and thus tend to lower the gains. Thus a fractal system has wide band energy crossing capabilities but the frequencies are also specific.

The A vector potiential is present in all matter, and not merely the electric or magnetic metals. Thus a wooden rod of 15.1796" will also produce a pulsing A vector potiential off its ends. This observations may give a link to gravity as well which is also present for all matter.

The A vector potiental has two polarities of dominant spin that we could sense directly in the resonant lengths. The iron rods will give you one and the diamagnetic [copper, bismuth, aluminum, hydrogen] materials the opposite one. It is most probably these opposite spining nuclear potientals that offer the AG type effects.

My own experimenting will now probably be centered around these specific lengths, due to the positive conscious or natural effects offered as well, which seem to blend into and resonate with nature.

Dave L