:D Okay here she is. Its going in a 4.5"wide x 17"tall acrylic tube. I want to use the Parahydrogen coil which is described in the Hydrostar manual. I like the Hydrostar manual. It gives alot of good info to steer you in the right direction.
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Nice build, keep up the good work!
Looking good!
Keep us posted on your progress.
;D
Got this on ebay ... Wonder what those tubes are good for?
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Any idea on parts you see I can use let me know
Last night I decided to upgrade my cell divider things... ill call them electrode spacers. Heres the latest...
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Used a hand held router to cut the outer circle.... (ANY SIZE I WANT!!) Then used the drill press to drill the 6 electrode spots out. This time I measured out the 72 degree intervals to get MUCH better results as far as symetry goes.
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Then I had to figure out how to get my wires on the electrodes... I imagined using JBweld and how ghetto that would look... So I decided to go all out and S.S. Mig weld it.... Don't try this at home lol j/k
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If any of you need wires or anything Stainless welded PM me. More to come!
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rubber gasket ace hardware
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Great build !
Do you want to run it with pure water with no electrolyte
and using high DC voltage ?
Regards, Stefan.
Ya like Stan Meyers!
I want hydrocarz and ravi to tell me the length, gap, frequency ratio or formula....
Completely full to the top...
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It holds water!! no leaks... what a relief.
Quote from: CarbedNotch on January 20, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
Got this on ebay ... Wonder what those tubes are good for?
Any idea on parts you see I can use let me know
Um, why don't you just use the whole thing as-is? Is it broken?
hi making something close to what your doing do you know what is the max pressure you can make with out blowing up yourself want to make 15psi!!! see my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4L4WFjo6Ok and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_TEK5wtxPU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iEuKI3E5GQ
Quote from: zerotensor on January 22, 2008, 11:58:09 PM
Quote from: CarbedNotch on January 20, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
Got this on ebay ... Wonder what those tubes are good for?
Any idea on parts you see I can use let me know
Um, why don't you just use the whole thing as-is? Is it broken?
It only pulses around the 500mhz range...
Quote from: manatec on January 23, 2008, 08:24:22 AM
hi making something close to what your doing do you know what is the max pressure you can make with out blowing up yourself want to make 15psi!!! see my http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4L4WFjo6Ok and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_TEK5wtxPU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iEuKI3E5GQ
I want to make 30+psi. I expect my cell to hold up to 100psi safely.
In your video what electronics are you using? D14?
Figuring out how to wire thing thing was the most difficult. Here is what I ended up with:
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Generator is complete besides a few details... Now I just need my PCM parts to get here...
yes d14 is 30psi safe ???i plan to use a flow meter off a tig welder and gas gauge
yes 30psi is safe...
Any PSI gauge will work if installed correctly.
hi does the gas explode at high pressure without spark do you know? what is the max psi before this happens?
I doubt it would explode. If under lots of pressure it would turn back into water...I think... lol
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I'm working on my PWM. I just got this scope from the scope store http://stores.ebay.com/The-Oscilloscope-Store (http://stores.ebay.com/The-Oscilloscope-Store)
I highly recommend because of my good experience.
Next on the agenda:
I got more funds to continue my research. More way cool stuff to come....
Lets just say its going to be involving my '86 5.0L Mustang.
I'll be sure to post as I progress...
This is a useful page to visit: http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_measure.htm (http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_measure.htm)
I did some calculations.... Results do not look good for my hopes of powering my 5Liter Mustang on water...
5.0Liter engine x 3000rpm = 15000 literpermin@3000rpm
30:1 air fuel ratio
500lpm of HHO @ 3000rpm
I need to be able to produce 500 Liters per min of HHO in order for my V-8 to run at WOT.
The most I have seen is 1 Liter every 13 seconds. I need 100 times that production of HHO.
Then I decided to switch my A/F ratio to 42:1 and that would require 357LPM of HHO gas at WOT.
Good news is I read you can mix propane with hydrogen.
I'll use my propane carb with plans to mix the fuels because I do not think I will be able to produce enough HHO on demand to power such a large engine. I hope to develop the cell and gradually use less and less propane as my HHO gas output increases.
...Any thoughts?
Be carefull with too high pressure as it can indeed explode.
Better use a vacuum pump directly at the electrolyzer.
I think the guys, who tried to use a vacuum pump behind the
bubbler were wrong, that it did not help.
I once tried suckking the output of my electrolyzer via a long hose
with my mouse, so I pulled vaccuum and the cell does begin to really produce
lots more bubbles..
Be careful .
Don?t do this too...
Don?t breath HHO gas ! You could
explode internally !
Try to do it first with a non iron (metallic ) handpump,
best made just out of plastic only..
HHO gas is very dangerous, so be warned, if it explodes
it could send schrappnell all over the place and into your body...
So your saying that I should put a pump ontop of the generator to create a vacuum inside and that will allow me to make 100X more bubbles?
:-\
What if I hit a bump in my car and it sucks the water up?
Yes,
but don?t put it directly at the top,
just use a plastic hose to it, but don?t use a bubbler
between it.
I still did not find a right vaccuum pump,
which can suck explosive gases without danger...
if you find something not too expensive, please let me know.
I would prefer a pump just only made out of plastic, not metal
for safety reasons..
Many thanks.
Well what about the venturi vacuum from an carburator as the vacuum pump?
How many more bubbles are we talking about anyways??
I diddent think stan meyer was on the basis of vacuum...
I haven?t had time to test any real vaccuum pump yet,
maybe something simular to a rubber plate inside like pump
like a bubbler pump for aquariums ?
Have to agree with Harti here guys, putting H2 and O2 under pressure is extremely dangerous - and I'm not really sure why you would want to anyway.
The mixture of H2 and O2 is far more unstable (and explosive) than H2 by itself. If you research the subject you will find that containment of theses gases together requires very specialised equipment and even then is not recommended. Even just rough surfaces are enough to cause ignition.
Don't do it, someone could get badly hurt! And, afterall the whole idea of hydrogen on demand is that we don't have to contain and carry about vast quantiies of explosive gases.
The faster we can draw this gas off our wfc's and into the engine, the better.
That sounds great and all... the whole, "on demand" part. But I dont think it's possible with these cells we are building.
It would take at least 100lpm of HHO production to power a SUPER SMALL car. These cells cannot produce enough gas on demand to power a V8 which would require around 100lpm of HHO gas just to idle it at 900rpm.
How many Liters per MIN are you making? The most I have seen so far is 4.5LPM
Not even close.
Quote from: Farrah Day on February 09, 2008, 05:36:21 AM
Have to agree with Harti here guys, putting H2 and O2 under pressure is extremely dangerous - and I'm not really sure why you would want to anyway.
The mixture of H2 and O2 is far more unstable (and explosive) than H2 by itself. If you research the subject you will find that containment of theses gases together requires very specialised equipment and even then is not recommended. Even just rough surfaces are enough to cause ignition.
Don't do it, someone could get badly hurt! And, afterall the whole idea of hydrogen on demand is that we don't have to contain and carry about vast quantiies of explosive gases.
The faster we can draw this gas off our wfc's and into the engine, the better.
So, how would you do this?
Run the car for hours on petrol in order to build up enough compressed H2 and O2 to be able to run the car on that alone then back to petrol again?
If this is the case then I would have thought that the benefits of an efficient hydrobooster that is on continously would serve you better. My initial aim is simply to reduce my hydrocarbon fuel consumption with an H2/O2 on-demand system that will aid hydrocarbon reductions and increase burn efficiency, and keep trying to take it up a notch at a time from there.
The way I look at it is, I will live another day to keep experimenting Being 'dead' is a bit final - it will certainly put an end to your experimenting.
No building pressure like that sounds useless unless you could use it like a nitrous oxide booster for periodic performance increases. Who knows...
All I'm saying is if anyone thinks this will work to power a car engine, think again.
Have you all seen yet the youtube video of the guy from hohcells.com ?
He is running a generator solely on HHO gas. He is using about 1.3 KWatts of power from the grid to generate his HHO gas.
In regards to calculation I think something is wrong.
I've been trying to figure this out for long time and I don't think I got it, yet.
Let's try to figure out how much fuel is your Mustang using now.
If you do the same calculation for regular gas you will see that it doesn't work like that. One thing you forgot about is that at 3000rpm is using 5L every 2 cycles so it's 5x1500.
Also you forgot about vacuum factor in the intake. Let's say that at 3000 rpm your Mustang has 60%of vacuum in the intake. 60% of 7500 L is vacuum and 40% is mix of gas/oxygen.
So we would have something like this:
5L x 3000rpm/2 =7500L/min
14.1 ration = 531.915 L/min
60% vacuum/40% mix= 212.766 L/min
As per this calculation your Mustang is using 212.766L every minute. This just doesn't seem right to me and I'm still strugling to find out real formula.
Now, while doing this I've got to some other idea. Let's go the other way around.
My car, which is 2.0L is using about 9L/100km. Now, if I drive 100km/h in 1 hour I will do the distance of 100km. So in that hour I will use 9L of fuel. Now if I do 9L/60min = 0.15L/min.
So, my 2.0L car is using 0.15L for gas per minute. I think my car is about 3000rpm when doing 100km/h in 5 gear. Let's add to this also air at 14.1:1 and it's 2.115L of air/gas mixture per minute.
Does this make any sense??
It's a 4 stroke engine which means it only needs the fuel mixture 1 of 4 rotations. (Not 2 like you said)
"3000rpm is using 5L every 2 cycles so it's 5x1500."
A four stroke engine makes 2 revolutions to go trough it's 4 cycles (suck, compress, bang, blow). Suck and compress uses 1 revolution, bang and blow uses 1 revolution.
And i don't think gasoline is measured in liquid state when you use your formula, but in the gas state.
Liquid gasoline doesn't burn, only the fume does.
@CarbedNotch
Fascinated_Oak already explained why is 2 instead of 4.
@Fascinated_Oak
Yes, I know it's is using fumes only but my last calculation is pretty accurate from point of "required liquid gas".
I think I have an idea... Let me think about it.. :) :)
Later
Yes its true.
So with every 2 turns of the crank need it needs a fuel mixture...
Nice setup carb:)
My setup is similar. I call it darbees gatlin.
Instead of going through the extra effort of using internal separators like yours or meijer I found it much easier just to build 6 -1 1/2" around 1- 1 1/2" tube and let them all touch by silver soldering them all together on the outside in a circle.
Its pretty simple, silver solder or weld 2 tubes together then build 2 more so you have 3 sets of 1 1/2 inch tubes welded together, then take the 3 tubes welded together and hold them around a single 1 1/2 " tube and it makes a circle, then just silver solder the outside tubes together and you have one less set of connections to make, and by silver soldering or welding them together on the top and bottom where they all touch together, you now have a a unit that acts as one with a pretty equal resistance value no matter where you land the wire.
The tricky part for me was tieing the interior tubes, 2 tubes no problem, 3 tubes no problem..........try 5 tubes starting with 1 1/2', 1 1/4", 1', 3/4", and 1/2"......now your space for inserting spacers becomes pretty limited and pretty tricky for a guy in his garage.
I run about 20-25 inches of water column at about 30 amps straight power nonpulsed. I haven't measured LPM, but from what I see, the only system comparitable to what I have built is a guy named daddyo on youtube (seems like a great guy with lots of great info to share).
I too have run into the same problem of a cell not working at times when pulsing. But whenever I use straight juice................never fails or let me down yet, and I'm quite happy with the production I'm getting.
I'm not looking for a replacement completely just a supplement to ease the gas pump pain.
My vehicle rather likes the HHO when piped into the throttle body.
What I'm looking for is a circuit board schematic for reading millivolts. My O2 sensor is a narrow band that puts out 0-1v. With 1 volt being rich which is what I'm trying to simulate.
I have 2 O2 sensors that I have to read and then 2 signals to the ECM that I need to trick.
Madscientist on youtube has come up with a fairly simple solution for sending the signal but I'd rather see it with LED lights like an air/fuel ration meter does other then guess or ride with my meter on my seat.
Know where I can get a schematic for an LED air/fuel guage or indicator that reads 0-1v in millivolts I can build?
I'd greatly appreciate it.
Also being that carbeurators tend to backfire when playing around with them, I don't think I would not use a bubbler on a carbeurated set-up.
Same goes for a pump set-up.
Now if your still serious about a pump setup try a soda machine CO2 pump. They use 25psi of CO2 thats adjustble to run the pump and inject it into the syrup/water.
You could do the same thing with the HHO. No electrical or mechanical parts just regulators and diaphrams.
Thanks and have a great day
Darbee63
Im in the process of building another cell. This new cell design will flow much more than the first.
Here are some videos on my current cell and its production.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dik6TuDeFg