In mechanical engineering your typical quality heat pump / refrigeration unit is over unity in respect to the physical work put in.
Mechanical Work + Ambient Energy(Heat, fluid as exchange medium) = Output Energy(Heat, fluid as exchange medium)
No violation of conservation of energy but more energy put out than in.
Note the extraction of ambient energy results in observed cooling
Can one not use this to create a self sustaining loop?
My understanding is that efficiency losses would be too high from a thermal/mechanical system..carnot efficiency etc.
Has or could a similar concept be made using electronics? Electric mediums are far more efficient.
E in + E ambient (Electric/Magnetic transfer medium) = E out (Electric/Magnetic transfer medium)
E out (Electric/Magnetic transfer medium) - E in - E losses = Extracted useful electrical energy
Is it out there?
It is already there.
Photocells and thermocouples do the same thing by taking ambient energy from the environment.
In mechanics we have waterwheels and wind turbines not to mention sailboats.
In a London museum there is a clock that is powered by changes in barometric pressure. It has been running for over 100 years if my memory does not desert me.
There are many untapped energy sources lying around out there, the trick is to extract meaningful amounts of energy.
Hans von Lieven
Good examples !!
But don't think I asked the question quite right
Would the following analogy apply?
1. Pump compresses Medium
2. Medium goes through first heat exchanger giving off energy
3. Medium throttled to reduce molecular kinetic energy(temp)
4. Second heat exchanger ambient energy sucked into medium.
1. Apply a directional current to circuit using dynamo with positive end of circut earthed
2. Pass current through capacitor array using static discharge to power secondry circut, (exchanger 1) (use secondary circut to drive dynamo)
3. Trottle current and somehow nduce positive charge in circuit...could on use a use magnetic field?
4. Earth linkage of circuit thus drawing electrons from atmosphere/ground to create equilibrium (exchanger 2),
(Earth considered part of circut)
@larsth. A possible extension of this idea would be to make a heat pump type device using solid state electronics using the Seebeck /peltier effects. I am not sure if the low efficiency of these devices would allow overunity with present day devices, but it could be possible in the future.
@ larsth It sounds like you have a plan?,,,,
larsth,
Thank you for the motivating ideas. I am working on my machine that follows almost exactly what you were talking about in your first post although the power take-off will not be the same, I think. 8)
"In mechanical engineering your typical quality heat pump / refrigeration unit is over unity in respect to the physical work put in."
I believe our earth weather does this when a hurricane or tornado has formed. I am building a machine to do just this and then-some.
"Mechanical Work + Ambient Energy(Heat, fluid as exchange medium) = Output Energy(Heat, fluid as exchange medium)"
Wind=the mechanical work. Absorbed Electromagnetic Radiation from the Sun=ambient energy(heat) The converging and rising wind carries evaporated water to altitude along with the extracted ambient energy/heat. I'm also charging this water with at least one electric field. Charged water vapor, at altitude, is condensed on copper tubing extracting heat and charge.
The water is then used for compression of air that then becomes the converging winds forming the "eye" of the storm. The lower the internal pressure of the vortex the higher the rate of evaporation, the higher the rate of evaporation the more charge and heat are moved to the upper atmosphere. More water condensed at altitude means an increase in the volume of compressed air I can deliver to the vortex which then allows the vortex internal pressure to be decreased further thus allowing greater volumes of charged water to rise to altitude. Ahhhhh...positive feedback! Charge and heat increasing in volume along with the kinetic energy of motion both air and water.
I am truly attempting to copy mother nature with a machine. I have a lot of work to do! The creator, whatever that may be.........is one hell of an engineer. I am awestruck and just a lifelong student. I don't claim overunity, or to be illuminated, or prophetic, or anything other than an independent researcher. If I am successful in this endeavor I will freely publish the entire thing.............Best Regards and keep thinking........it's good for us all......Loki