This first page is a composite of 2 posts from yesterday along with 2 resolutions of the same picture. (The gif is much smaller.)
jeanna
Hi All,
Today I started to try to put together the formulas for electricity including voltage, amperage and magnetism. The only formulas of these things seem to be corralled together into separate topics and never interweave. Capacitance and voltage suffer the same kind of separation. As I did this, and I am just beginning, I remembered a picture of iron - the ultimate electromagnet.
Same subject - different angle:
About 10 years ago I bought a used book called pyramid power by G.Patrick Flanagan (published 1973). It happened to have the paper cover still intact. I have never seen a picture like this cover anywhere and I wonder how many others ever have. It is a picture of a few iron atoms taken by the radiation microscope. It shows that they take on a toroid shape and they are connected together by what looks like a 3 stranded ribbon wire. Check out the angles too.
I think anyone thinking about the TPU probably wants to see this picture.
jeanna
QuoteQuote from: acerzw on January 26, 2008, 07:25:35 PM
@jeanna
Since the picture file you posted has small in the title, do you have a higher resolution version you could post?
A
Yes, acerzw
This is a jpg, however. If it is a problem I can repost something else.
jeanna
Please see below
Hi again...
Most folks know that I study Edward Leedskalnin....and because i did the things he said to, I was able to record my pics....so strikingly close to the iron atoms that i am amazed at the potentiol for further study.
First I will repost the pics of mine.
Then I will try to give a description of how i took them.
some more.... ;D
and more..... :o
oops...i missed one
Now I study Ed.L....so this is what he said.
"Everything that is taken into parts by the acid, the first thing i see is a very small bubble beginning to come out of the matter. When the first bubble appears then the succeeding bubbles are coming out of the first bubble and are running in a regular line one after another.
When the first bubble swells up then it contracts in the middle and cuts off the new bubble and then closes up the out-going end, and then swells up again and goes over and over again.
Those bubbles that leave the first bubble act like small magnets and some appear to have magnet poles.....
What is acid and what gives it the ability to take the other matter in parts?
The one who will find out exactly how it is done will be a REAL SCIENTIST" Edward Leedskalnin.
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So now you know.
Whatever kind of matter I take apart...I see the same bubbles everytime.....
In one of my pics you can see a bubble and a mass of small strings all around in random order.
The dark bands you see around the outer part of the bubbles is composed of BRICKS...The bricks come from the matter that was taken apart by the acid....and there are a great number of them....
In most pics i cannot show them...i needed to dry up a bubble with the sunlight so i could take a pic.
As soon as the matter is in the acid....the acid penetrates it and ridges and ditches appear...then a bubble forms under the surface of the matter and swells up breaking the bonds of the matter and dividing the matter into tiny strings......the strings wrap then selves around the bubbles....laying down along the circumfrence of the inner part of the bubble....The strings build themselves up in layers around the bubbles very tight so you cannot tell it is that way.....but when you do the test you can see them....
The strings of matter are able to bend in 3d....but if there is no bubbles around then the strings cannot organize themselves geometrically....but try to stick together anyway...resulting in clumps of randomly organized STUFF ;D
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You have seen many people put the zinc and copper in the ground...but why go to such length's?
Hold those metals, one in each hand...connect zinc to microamp-meter neg and copper to pos...
The acid in your hands will activate the metals...and the same actions as in my pics will be occurring in your hands ;D
The bubbles from each matter SMELL DIFFERENTLY.....and when you go outside there are many smells all around.......
THE PERPETUAL TRANSFORMATION OF THIS EARTH IS GOING ON ALL THE TIME...EVERYWHERE.
As soon as the bubbles burst then everything is gone....THE LITTLE STRINGS TOO, then...your brain registers a smell.......
Scotty
@ scotty,
no offence, but speaking of acid?
lol
sam
ps:very interesting photos!
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You guys are implying that you know the operation of the TPUs, hence you can identify the TPUs in NATURE. That's wonderful !!
Now, try to put it all together an light up the world :)
Nice pictures by the way.
EM
P.S. Here's a neat subatomic resolution image I found on the net. There's the pyramid formation again
I realized I can see a detail on the cover but not on the picture. So, I enlarged it. It is another jpg
I have "circled" an example of the part I want to show. These lines run around every one of the central torus forms and they all have bands that cross them. They appear to be at a lower level than the central torus shapes. PF in the book describes energy coming up out of or down into the centers and electrons or protons (both) circling around. These are where the magnetic field occurs.
This is if I understand him correctly.
I hope you can see them.
jeanna
No EM, I am trying to say this is the right track. If it is found in nature in a smaller or larger scale, I think it is a good clue. Especially since it is iron that this is showing. ;)
jeanna, you are right. the answer to energy problems will be and have been found in nature. things like the vortex, the earth's magnetic fields generate enough power in a few minutes to power the world for years if we can harness it. look to nature. i believe steve mark's tpu catches in a vortex some of that power and controls those power kicks to produce useable electricity. ed leedskalnin also observed magnet holders and magnets enough to do amazing things. i always thought the earth pulling a magnet's north pole naturally to the direction of the earth's magnetic north pole could somehow be used to help swing a magnet just past it's lockup point in an energy device. just an idea.
Cool thread!
I think it should be realized that most rotating spherical bodies surrounded by an equal vacuity of space represent the "TPU" as a whole.
They are open energy systems, (closed if you take into account the entire universe) which are in their respective stages of winding up, or unwinding, polarizing into matter, and equal vacuity of space, and depolarizing back to the neutral fulcrum which divided them.
These systems are both gravitating towards their center, and radiating out from their center at all times. Its gravitation makes the sphere act like a load, receiving energy from other polar bodies around it. Its radiation does the opposite, it dissipates energy out from its center into the space and other objects around it.
Notice that this description is in opposition to the traditional entropic ideals of modern science. This model suggests equal rhythmic interchange between polarization, and depolarization, where giving and recieving are balanced and equal, thus making the models run at UNITY!!!
It is interesting to note in EM's picture that the details are slightly blurred as if the items are at the limit of the resolution/focusing ability of the device taking the picture. If you look closely you can see that while the triangle (and larger hexagonal shapes they make up) are regular, the small component parts that they are made up of are not. They appear to have small indentations at the centre and so may in fact be a torus which being on the limits of the image resolution are not captured fully. They also appear to match Dr Patrick Flanagan torus like 'particles' which he describes in both versions of his book, the old one which has Jeanne's picture and the new one with a different cover that does not even mention it.
I am curious as to the radiation microscope, what type of microscope was it? What type of radiation? As far as I was aware the resolution which it appears to have was until a few years ago not supposed to be possible... I know that recently work has been done on lenses with negative refractive indexes and other means by which pictures like these could be taken. Also I did a search on the net and was not able to find any similar pictures, in fact I found none of the structure of iron that were like this... weird?
Similar theories regarding a toroidal 'atom' are put forward in two other books:
Occult Ether Physics: Tesla's Hidden Space Propulsion System and the Conspiracy to Conceal It
by William Lyne (Second revised edition) Published by Creatopia Productions
ISBN 0-9637467-6-6
(Very Highly Recommended - The Key - Contains so much information! Page 156 onwards, see Star of David ;))
Pyramid Energy: The Philosophy of God, The Science of Man
by Dean & Mary Hardy and Marjorie & Kenneth Killick, Published by Delta-K Products
ISBN 0-932298-58-7
Interesting that all these books either have Tesla or Pyramids in common, no coincidence I think...
Below is a diagram that I made from the Pyramid Energy book and have gradually been evolving by adding information from other sources... (PDF as well) The Pyramid book goes into more detail and the diagrams in it are almost identical to those of PF's and those in the Occult Ether Physics book... ;)
The Divine Cosmos website also has interesting geometric/molecular pictures, in one of their free online e-books, that show similar phenomenon to that in EM's picture.
It also nice to see another contribution related to Leedskalnin... it always the same old names... Tesla, Leedskalnin, Keely, Flanagan, Schauberger etc... one day I am sure all there ideas will be linked more closely...
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Hi all...love the comment about the acid...i wish ;)
Jeanna.....glad you pointed that out...I was showing my friends the same thing.
The bubbles in my pice have the same rings around them but you can only see them if you do the test yourself....In my bubbles the rings are composed of STRINGS all lined up.
I have tested the strings very carefully to see their behaviour...I have watched matter dissolve until the last few strings are left, and i can see the last few come apart...then everything that was a bit of zinc has now gone to surround the bubbles that came out of it....
THE BUBBLES COME OUT OF THE ZINC...AND THE BROKEN UP PIECES OF MATTER ATTATCH THEMSELVES TO THE BUBBLES?
When the bubbles group like in my pics...the larger ones absorb the smaller ones...and the strings join the larger bubble.
I dissolved MAGNETITE in my car battery acid....I watched the magnetite dissolve bit by bit.....I also used a magnet to move the Magnetite around as it dissolved...but as the strings come out they did not move with the magnetic field....but went to the bubbles (which come out of the magnetite!).
Here is a pic I call MASS EJECTIONS..it shows the strings being ejected out of the bubble...but again with this bubble i had to let it dry out a bit....
The magnification I use is 300 to 450X just on a kids microscope with 2 AA batteries in it...
I have a good microscope..but i can't see the strings in it...I get good sharpness but not the magnification.....actually the cheapy scope is better for looking at the outside rings of the bubbles and the good scope is better at looking at the center of the bubbles....
For those of you who like to experiment.....make lots of bubbles...and then shine a red lazer pointer at them and see the sight in the scope....soooo cool....but i could not get an image....I did find an image very similar in a book...the book was about Alchemy.... ;D
Maybe people think i'm trippin', but all i did was the tests that Ed Leedskalnin said to do...and i recorded the results as i have shown...I've had a fascinating 5 years of experimenting.....
Scotty.
from Acerzw
QuoteVery Highly Recommended - The Key - Contains so much information! Page 156 onwards, see Star of David
Who wrote this etc?
(I also have the occult ether physice. After you get past all the ranting it is really quite good.)
Perhaps PF can answer the ? about the radiation microscope. His website may be
http://www.phisciences.com/
I don't know how he is about answering questions. might be worth a try.
@Scotty1
well, I may be getting my microscope out soon. so, I may try something like this. can you give me a direct link to leedskallion's website - or instructions?
jeanna
Quote from: acerzw on January 28, 2008, 01:29:27 PM
(Very Highly Recommended - The Key - Contains so much information! Page 156 onwards, see Star of David ;))
Pyramid Energy: The Philosophy of God, The Science of Man
by Dean & Mary Hardy and Marjorie & Kenneth Killick, Published by Delta-K Products
ISBN 0-932298-58-7
@Jeanne
It was written by, see above :D
Funny, I have seen PF's website... it is a bit cheesy which is slightly worrying... and makes no mention of his sensor disks which were one of the most interesting things he did in my opinion, after his pyramid experiments, like the prototype pyramid energy plate shown in his book. I wonder what happened to that?
There is a great page on his sensor disks here...
http://www.crystalinks.com/sensordisk.html
His Wikipedia entry makes interesting reading, and while I accept you cannot believe everything you read adds a dimension to his character which makes you wonder about the iron picture...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan
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@ acer
QuoteI am curious as to the radiation microscope, what type of microscope was it? What type of radiation? As far as I was aware the resolution which it appears to have was until a few years ago not supposed to be possible... I know that recently work has been done on lenses with negative refractive indexes and other means by which pictures like these could be taken. Also I did a search on the net and was not able to find any similar pictures, in fact I found none of the structure of iron that were like this... weird?
I remember at the time there was some controversy over what the picture of Patrick Flanagan's cover actually showed. Perhaps someone should ask him where that picture came from and what equipment was used to take it..
He is still around doing all kinds of weird stuff.
A word of warning, he is a difficult man to deal with and does not take kindly to any kind of criticism, either stated or implied. It would be better if someone else wrote to him, just in case he remembers me from the old days ;)
His website is: http://www.phisciences.com/
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: acerzw on January 30, 2008, 03:07:18 PM
His Wikipedia entry makes interesting reading, and while I accept you cannot believe everything you read adds a dimension to his character which makes you wonder about the iron picture...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan
A
Thanks for the book clarification.
I am a little more sympathetic towards PF.
post removed til later
thanks
jeanna
@ Jeanna,
I don't know where you got this story from. The government did not interfere with his neurophone, in fact the device was patented and sold, in fact you can buy one now.
Unfortunately it does not work as well as claimed and some people cannot use it at all. There also seem to be some undesirable side effects such as hallucinations and confusion.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 30, 2008, 04:46:27 PM
@ Jeanna,
I don't know where you got this story from. The government did not interfere with his neurophone, in fact the device was patented and sold, in fact you can buy one now.
Unfortunately it does not work as well as claimed and some people cannot use it at all. There also seem to be some undesirable side effects such as hallucinations and confusion.
Hans von Lieven
As I said, I never bought one. I will change the post until I can find the source. Info about the invention is in his book but the nasty part is from another book. I will look for it, but until then it is gone.
jeanna
@ Jeanna,
It has been such a long time ago but I think I have an idea what you were referring to. From memory he could not get FDA approval to sell it as a hearing aid. (At least I think it is the FDA that regulates the marketing of these things in the US)
The main objections were the undesirable side effects caused by the strong electrostatic field around the head. This was never resolved and the device has just remained as a scientific curiosity though it was never made illegal.
Science has known about this phenomenon for a long time and it is called voltaic hearing. What Flanagan did was to create an oscillator that created a signal that resonated with the natural frequency of the human body which is changing all the time. Using this as a carrier frequency he superimposed the audio signal onto it, stepped up the voltage and connected two isolated electrodes to the output which were placed on either side of the head.
That oscillating field could then be perceived by the brain directly, bypassing the ears altogether. But, like I said, it stirred up other things besides.
Hans von Lieven
Hi all...here is something else a bit contraversial...but very cool if it is correct....
I'm also wondering how that cover pic was taken ect....because it is so close to my experiments...
Scotty
Leedskalnin.com
http://community.webshots.com/user/scott_l?action=profile (http://community.webshots.com/user/scott_l?action=profile)
I am sorry for the size. they said the pics can be used if the names of the photographers and ASU always accompanied the pics. So, the first one is large and together they are 1.1M
Notice the flatness of the copper in this atom of cuprite. The pink is O, I think but the middle flat one is the metal. have a look.
All are photographed by the same group at ASU
jeanna
Great thinking and fantastic photographs. the idea comes back to the pyramid tri-ad.. im a follower of Ed as well and i remember the reading saying that he actually could see this this process happen on the surface of his eye. i will look it up and try to quote him, its been a few years since i visited his work. another thing i wanted to post was a photo from Coral Castle. the last time i was there i happen to listen to some of the recording there and i heard that he had numbers engraved on the wall in his laboratory, so i took a picture and i will try to get it on here for you. the numbers according to the tape is that they are crucial in his work, and his work was great..
(//) well apperantly i have no idea how to upload a picture so here are the numbers that he scribed into the coral wall
they are as follows
7 1 2 9
6 1 0 5 1 9 5
these numbers can be put up in my photo if someone could tell how to post or upload a photo. thanks for listening and i will revisit Eds' work.
as far as the numbers to mean 1 9 5 this could relate to 19.5 degrees that Mr. Hoaglan always refers to in his mars calculations regarding his face on mars.
also the numbers 7129 could be the earths frequency for him at the time of his existence. just thinking... 7.129 Hz for example
any thoughts?
@Eob
To upload a photo, go to your post above and click on modify.
Below the text field, you will see a line starting with Attach.
Click the browse button and find the image on your computer. Highlight it, then click on the Open button. The file location will appear in the open field between Attach and Browse button.
I usually unclick the "Notify me of replies" field.
Click on Post.
a few quotes of Eds' as i review his notes.
"you have noticed that lightening hits the biggest tree and the tallest building. in the north hemisphere the south pole magnets are going up, and the north pole magnets coming down in the same flash. lightening only strikes if the north and the south magnets are concentrated too much in a small space. if not concentrated then they pass through everything without much notice. i believe that water, sunlight and the north and south pole magnets are making plants grow."
he has interesting writings and i found it here goes:
""this is for biologist. I can see chromosomes without a microscope. to see i close my eyes and then i open one eye just a little to look at the blue sky. then i can see chains of beads floating in the liquid in my eye. some chains of beads are longer than others. most of the chains are folded over in irregular shapes and between several beads in a chain there is a bigger bead and sometimes there is one, two or more beads hanging outside the chain, and sometimes i can see one, two or more beads floating seperatly. each bead's center is light, and the outside rim dark"
thats some of his writings but interestingly very close to what is going on here. thanks for any thoughts..
@wattsup
thanks for the tip, i tried this and no photo shows up, i try this the second time and a message appears that says " sorry there is already an attachment with the same name...."
its here we just cant see it... :) much like magnetism its here we jus cant see it.. like moving electrons..
help...
@Eob
If that's the case, then go back to the post, go to modify.
You will see a section called Attached (not Attach). Unclick the image file name. Then go to the Attach line, do the browse again, refind the file on your computer, click open, click post.
This will happen when you are trying to upload a filename that is already in the Attached section even if the image does not appear in the thread. It's happened to me before.
@Scotty and anyone else interested
This place has some interesting views into ED's numbers http://www.gnostics.com/numbersIII.html (http://www.gnostics.com/numbersIII.html)
Joe
more Eds' writings....
" To get more magnet out of the coil put the coil in a steel or iron tube, then the tube outside the coil will be a magnet the same as the coil's core, but the magnet poles will be opposite, it means at the same coil end if the core end is noth pole the tube end will be south pole. in this way you will get almost again as much magnet out of the coil and in the core and tube. you also do better yet, join one end of the coil's core end with the same metal, joining core with the tube, make two holes in the end of metal for the coil wire ends to go out, fasten a ring on top, now you have the most efficient electric magnet for lifting purposes. it wastes no magnets that come from your battery or dynamo"
Note: we are wasting much energy by not securing the outer windings of the coil..
thoughts..
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@Scotty great site hopefully someone has a grip on the math, for it exceeds my passion and the writing is always great to reread..
Hi all...I have put Ed's pmh test on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31dUcO2z_o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31dUcO2z_o)
You know the more i look at the number pic...it looks like there is more to the 7129....like 712945 or something?
I've never really studied the numbers because they are just too random...and any calc's will still be unknowns...
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Apart from the beads in your eyes...Ed could see shiny things moving all around...I can see them too...The effect is similar to what you see in a CLOUD CHAMBER....where silvery streaks from cosmic rays or other radiations can be seen in an alcahol vapour....
The shiny things move all around like a swarm of flies...and if you look a little sharper you can indeed see the whole sky or cloud boiling, almost like you are looking at the aether..or medium with your naked eye :o
Another way i do it is to look at the top of a wooden fence of tree...and the area around it will be full of shiny streaks and something like a boiling gas..
First you see the beads in your eye....then put them in the foreground and look behind them....then you see the shiny things....put them in the foreground and look behind them and the boiling effect will appear...I do it all the time....even in my car waiting at the lights.... ;D
I have also seen other people post that they could see these things too, and they never knew about Ed's writings...so I told them and showed them the notes, and they agreed that Ed words describe what they could see.
Scotty
scotty,
maybe if you use "rodin math" it might start to come to some conclusion. when looking at 7129 in rodins fashion by adding the digits you come to 19 and then adding the digits again 1+9=10, which equals1. now i am no expert, but if you add the ,4,5, to the 19 you have 2+8=3. so now two of, rodins, prime numbers have shown up, in just one of ed's.
now let's look at 6105195. 6+1=7,7+5=12which=3,12+1=13which =4, so the 7&4 connect across the 3! okay now back to the postulate! we are 13+9=22, which is 4, which seems to work as we are going in the other direction, to 22+5=27 which is 9. we have to go back over the top. i am sure you can find some heterodyning in here somewhere.
lol
sam
ps just to get you thinking.
@Scotty, i hear you for i can experience this streaky shiny effect as well. like drifting in and out in a vibrational cloud of sort way, also the strands that swim in the fluid of my eye is often as well and at times i dont have to be looking at the sky either. i agree with the continues numbering process for i thought the 7129 continued with maybe 1 ? too! thaks for picking that out.
Gotcha, i did the numerology as well and i said, add the two sets of numbers together you have 9+1=10=1so just to joke, this is the year of the rat and it is 2008 so this = 10=1
i prophecize that we will conquer this energy source before the end of the year.
just my ignorant humor.. lol....
From the Rodin Coils thread.
A
marko rodin's math has no zeros at all. i noticed a zero was part of the second string of numbers. the first group likely isn't as well because 9 is part of another circuit in his math. 124857 is called the doubling circuit and 3and 6 is the resonating or repeating circuit and 9 is the omni dimension according to Marko. really cool stuff, perfect system once you grasp it, much better than ten number system. our dna string even looks a whole lot like marko's symbol of enlightenment.
the power of nine. take any number and add its value together and subtract it from the original number then add those number and the results will always be nine. hope that is explained correctly, so for example take 173 , all equals 11 now subtract 11 from 173 this equals 162 .. so now add these numbers and you are back at nine.
Quote from: scotty1 on February 16, 2008, 06:57:06 PM
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Apart from the beads in your eyes...Ed could see shiny things moving all around...I can see them too...The effect is similar to what you see in a CLOUD CHAMBER....where silvery streaks from cosmic rays or other radiations can be seen in an alcahol vapour....
The shiny things move all around like a swarm of flies...and if you look a little sharper you can indeed see the whole sky or cloud boiling, almost like you are looking at the aether..or medium with your naked eye :o
Another way i do it is to look at the top of a wooden fence of tree...and the area around it will be full of shiny streaks and something like a boiling gas..
First you see the beads in your eye....then put them in the foreground and look behind them....then you see the shiny things....put them in the foreground and look behind them and the boiling effect will appear...I do it all the time....even in my car waiting at the lights.... ;D
I have also seen other people post that they could see these things too, and they never knew about Ed's writings...so I told them and showed them the notes, and they agreed that Ed words describe what they could see.
Scotty
Yes! That absolutely true(the above desc.).
"""The shiny things move all around like a swarm of flies...""" but no sighted indoor !
Dam once i thought it was true about that was the blood vessel residue left in eye ball when growing up read from newspaper.
Quote from: acerzw on February 21, 2008, 04:14:46 PM
From the Rodin Coils thread.
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@Acer
Rodin's math is the first one I know of that actually shows how different the vector is from the infinitely curved. Omega and delta pulled out of the mix. Right in the middle point zero where it belongs.
After understanding Marko's math I started seeing it in many things. As example, the sides of a water vortex even has the fingerprint on it. You can see two lines close to each other squeezing the vortex and a large gap between the next two squeeze lines, just like his math. The gap is the 369 row or the blank or open area on his coil. The lines all run the entire length of the vortex and concentrate at the bottom. The two lines are the reversing circuits in his math or the actual windings in his coil. I snapped some photos in order to study this easier. Rodin's number system seems to me like perfection.
A hurricane. :o Cool pictures here. Big law in physics that works out well for predicting energy paths is that you can not change the velocity of anything only the inertia. Then potential energy will be exchanged from one inertial frame to another. So to build a tpu you need to build an inertial frame that will interact with another inertial frame thereby causing a transfer of potential energy from one frame to the other. The magnetic field is an indication of the inertia of any given inertial frame- both in it's strength and it's relative direction. The Earth's magnetic field extends 15 Earth radi into the "void" at somewhere around 10-5 Tesla. It has a shitload of potential energy/mass and inertia therefore it's magnetic field or electrical inertial field is huge.
SM's tpu by all accounts of his own and of the builders and detectives here "winds up". This winding up is addition of inertia to a frame. Faraday tells us that an electrical potential will develop between two magnetic fields of different strength or relative direction. So the tpu winds up until there is enough inertia in it's frame that it seperates from mother Earth's inertial frame and emf is generated at the magnetic field interface of the tpu and the Earth. There needs to be a conductor at this interface that is able to convert this potential energy donation from the Earth so that both the tpu inertial frame is maintained and the potential energy converted into usable energy outside of the core winding. The tpu generator winding needs to be shielded in a manner of speaking. Like the eye of a hurricane is shielded by circulating air currents.
Don't know the exact mechanics but it sure as hell looks like an electrical vortex generator with collector windings assembled. I really believe that the kick windings need only to be wrapped around the core winding. Once the core magnetic field gets beyond the core winding and is now in the collector windings, the magnetic field of the Earth's interface is where you want it.
Quote from: bw on February 28, 2008, 10:59:28 PM
I snapped some photos in order to study this easier.
How about posting a photo or 2 with a little explanation of each if possible.
It is the reason I started this thread. I was asked to take my photos elsewhere, so here is a great place to post a pic of this water vortex you are describing.
I would personally like to have a look at it - along with your thoughts, of course.
jeanna
@Sparks. Yes, of course, a hurricane
here's one ;D
It is not exactly made by nature but it does fly thrue it :)
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M.
jeanna, you can find the videos and more at http://www.markorodin.org/ His math is very simple to learn from the video series but takes a couple hours or more to see them all. the website has a lot of the same info. but i think he explains things better on the video series. i took pictures but i'm not familiar on how to send or post. i used two plastic two liter soda bottles with a brass nipple to connect them to make and study the vortex. just fill one bottle 3/4 full, connect the empty second bottle, turn upside down and move the top bottle in a circular motion. as the water drains into the empty bottle below a vortex will form for easy study. the faster the spin, the tighter the bands get. i got the idea from marko. two bands fairly tight or close to each other always form then you have a space and the same two bands form again. these form at the top of the vortex and follow and tighten all the way to the bottom. because of the angles you get a grinding action near the bottom end or the neck of the vortex. of course looking at the clear vortex in water you can see both sides in action. the same angles can also be seen in some of marko's work. also he charts the numbers on a chart to infinity. the wide space in the vortex i think can be seen in the line in this chart showing 669339669339669339....... to infinity. this line represents vibration between 66 and 33. 9 is the hinge if you will. the two tight bands in your vortex would be the other two lines in the chart. these two lines repeat a doubling circuit forward and backward. the numbers are 124875124875124875 to infinity and 578421578421578421 to infinity. also you should check out http://www.flashearth.com then click on the nasa terra view and zoom out. notice how many vortex weather systems are rotating in the northern and southern hemispheres, almost too many to count. this is pure energy spun by a huge rotating magnet. we've just gotta find a way to tap that power or harmonize with it or something.