Hi everyone, I am new to this site and think it is great. I am a 41 years old and have 22 years experience in the auto industry and working with internal combustion engines and automatic transmissions. Ever since I was a kid I have dreamed of running cars on Hydrogen. It is absolutely the perfect fuel (in my opinion). I have been reluctant to do any experiment with it because of the understanding that it took more energy to obtain hydrogen than it produces. From what Ive been reading lately I feel I have been miss led. I am amazed how many people have come up with the same ideas as far as HHO generator design and applications , perpetual motion machines and anti gravity theorys as I had dreamed of as a kid.
Was wondering if any one here has actualy installed an HHO generator on there vehilce with any success in either significantly increasing fuel mileage or being able to run it on HHO alone. And if so what design works the best, and how many are needed to get good results? I've seen alot of cheesy ads and designs that seem to be BS.
As soon as I am able to raise enough cash I will be experimenting on my own, trying to improve on what so many of you have started. I think this may be possible and most likely a lot less complicated then we think! It seems that some people may have allready figured it out, unless they are hoaxes. I am more inclined to believe that their inventions are being held back by governments and energy producers, being they have so much to loose. How can they tax water? Im sure they will find a way!
There are so many brilliant people in this forum and I thank you for the education and the head start. I hope that one day I can be of help in making this happen!
I just got done building a cell out of stainless cable and 4 in sewer pipe haha. And it produces a lot of hho. i built it off the top of my head and it worked great. So the easy way to start out is to go to the store and get a 9 volt bat and some wires and aluminum foil on both ends. Put the leads in the water just do not let them touch. make sure you got some baking soda in the water. And there you go my friend your first HFC. That is the basic of basics. Once you got that down. dream up what ever you want. Just try to use 316 stainless steel for latter on.
hi ampetti,
i'm not a top pro with hydrogen but here is something that may help you build the most efficent cell. i read this and cannot remember where but it seems worth trying. this guy said to improve efficency you should split the power by using more cells, i do think he said it takes very small voltage to make bubbles(might have said amps instead-don't remember). anyway assuming it was volts, he said if you are making hyro with 20 amps and 12 volts you would make six times more bubbles by using six cells, this would still give the same 20 amps per cell but cut the volts from 12 to 2v. it should be worth trying but remember i may have it backwards.. i think you'd have to keep the amps within limits of the alternator. he said cutting the amps or volts one did not affect the number of bubbles being produced, the other did, i think amps did. good luck
bw
here is my favorite so far
http://smacksboosters.110mb.com
i'm going to start building one like this, this weekend.
here is a great pdf, that includes some of smacks info and goes into o2 sensors
http://panaceauniversity.org/Chapter10.pdf
my background is all car, no science lol.
They do work. We install them in customers vehicles almost daily now. It takes some tweaking usually but they do save on fuel.
We buy most of our kits and supplies from ExtremeHHO.com (http://extremehho.com) because their local and ship the same day.
well i just noticed a saveingins finally ......
it took much playing ... i still have problems with my computer in the car ... i do not like the electrical 02 fix seams to cause problems with the computer... gonna try the extenders im sure they actuallly work form the reading i have done on some other threds
the map has made my saveings possibale so i just left the o2 sensor alone both of em {for now} and i ballenced it with the map sensor as i said seams to work
i only use it on the hwy for now for testing seams i have gained about 10-12 km for 5 bucks cdn i did a 20 dollor test 15.3 l cdn and i got just under 300 km
now when i get my o2 extenders .... that will tell the tale ...
ist
My home built system works. I use a MAP adjuster, a "poor mans" efie, a PWM on the cell to limit the current and the cell is a 4 cell series/parallel unit housed in an old water filter case I had laying around. My most recent test results showed 27.5 mpg vs. the normal 15 mpg. (F150 4x4) The O2 extenders did not work for me. I saw a temporary gain, but the ecm quickly compensated for the increase in O2 sensed. They may work for different vehicles, but not my truck. No matter what you do, if you don't bias the O2 sensor signal to the ecm you will be chasing your tail. This observation is based on 4 months of chasing my tail (aka: scientific testing).
Good luck & Gods speed.
Randohr
Quote from: Randohr on August 02, 2008, 11:24:42 AM
My home built system works. I use a MAP adjuster, a "poor mans" efie, a PWM on the cell to limit the current and the cell is a 4 cell series/parallel unit housed in an old water filter case I had laying around. My most recent test results showed 27.5 mpg vs. the normal 15 mpg. (F150 4x4) The O2 extenders did not work for me. I saw a temporary gain, but the ecm quickly compensated for the increase in O2 sensed. They may work for different vehicles, but not my truck. No matter what you do, if you don't bias the O2 sensor signal to the ecm you will be chasing your tail. This observation is based on 4 months of chasing my tail (aka: scientific testing).
Good luck & Gods speed.
Randohr
If O2 Extenders don't work maybe the " HHO Enhancer " from Extreme HHO (http://extreme%20hho) will work. It simulates a switching O2 signal and allows to you to adjust from lean to rich with the turn of a knob.
You can find it here: http://www.extremehho.com
The efie I built is all I need to bias the O2 sensor. It consists of three components; A 9vdc battery, a 500k fixed resister and a 5k pot. This simple circuit allows the O2 sensor to operate as intended. It cost me less than $10 including the small project box to house the unit and the wire. I used a chunk of terminal strip to tie the components together (no solder), 16gauge speaker wire to tie into the O2 sensor and a small project box from Radio Shack to hot glue the "terminal strip circuit" into for safe keeping. I used the same build techniques to make my MAP circuit biasing power supply. That to only has three components and is rock solid in it's operation. The MAP adjuster is adjustable from 0vdc to @ 7vdc, I run it at @ 4vdc. Any lower and the the engine is hesitant at takeoff and has stalled. I only turn the MAP bias on after the vehicle is warmed up for this reason. I'm continually testing and I'm sure I'll make changes as I go. My next project is a trunk mounted, 8 cell, series unit for a 3.1L Chevy. I'll use the same electronics as I built for my truck. (if I can sort out my series cell issues, if not it will be a parallel cell going brute force with current limiting)
Here is a youtube video link of a Mitsubishi Lancer on HHO-assisted-fuel being dynotested in Philippines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoyF1jcOWJY
hopefully we can achieve 100% HHO fuel vehicle within the year... for now, we have to be contented with partially reducing fuel use by augmenting it with HHO.