Has anyone really achieved petpetual motion?
I'm very close with my design and was wondering who else has done it.
Is it unsafe to show others? or is that just a bunch of BS?
My device is siimilar to a SMOT but the magnets work a little diifferent.
It would not be very hard to build a magnetic motor along the same lines.
Cheers!
Like a Hydrogen Gas Car You Need A Bit Of Electric(To NONE) To Keep The Flow Going There are Alot Of Solutions For That.
Just Have a Dual Battery System(Car Batt)
:-)
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Finsrud buddy all the way, or minato....
Hey Limoman, please share your principles so we can know what your idea does. Thanks
Perpetuum Mobile:
http://diagtools.free.fr/forum1/viewtopic.php?p=50#50
Linoman,
If you wish to share your idea's and inventions with the world than show them, but don't expect that someone else won't take your idea's and/or inventions and claim them as their own. That is part of human nature and you can bet money on this.
If you think this is just BS simply show something to a few people and watch it pop up somewhere else in fairly short time. I've had many people tell me that I was being silly or just being paranoid, and so I have proved it out many times over by doing just that in order that they could see the results for themselves.
Remember the "Squirly Ball" that many people have seen advertised on TV as a pet toy? Just a simple hollow ball with a motor and wheel inside and a long fluffy tail attached to the ball? That was one of those instances when I intentionally showed some of my idea's to people I knew would take it right to the bank s-t-s. Others were the extendible phone cord, the gas/electric hybrid car, permenant magnet motor, lighted Frisbee, and about a dozen or so others that I intentionally shared to try and prove that there are people out there who make very good livings from taking the idea's and/or inventions of others and laying claim to them.
It's certainly nothing new under the sun as far as human nature goes, and if you don't recognize this fact right away you may end up becoming a very cranky and bitter person as your years pass away. My own family heritage is a long history of generation after generation having to learn and experience this same fact over and over because each eventually became so bitter about what they considered to be theft and betrayal by people they trusted that they usually wound up being secluded and bitter old farts.
The world does need free energy technologies if we can hold out any hope that our race will survive much longer. I don't think I need to remind you of all the various problems we have going on at the moment or what we can likely expect the inevitable outcome to be. Personally I believe that unless the masses can succeed in obtaining free energy technologies that the human race will soon disappear from the face of this planet. There is of course much that goes on that we the people are not privy to, and certain elites and military personel will survive any holocost that may effect the Earth. I don't think that I would want to survive just to be subject to the fascists who would have complete and unobstructed control in such an event however, the future does not have to be that way at all.
For that reason I believe that the only way that the masses can hope to force free energy technologies to the surface and into the light for all to see is to share any information that one may have on the matter whether it is your own idea or someone else's. The stakes we face ahead if we don't overcome our old nature are in my opinion far to high to ignore, and the clock continues to tick towards what most believe to be inevitable.
Cheers,
J.D.
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Yeah I'm sure everyone here tries to patent evry half baked idea that comes down the pipe...
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This is a open source research community in which the modus operandi is free and open sharing of ideas, concepts, and prototypes amongst peers for evaluation, replication, leading finally to confimation.
As far as I know no one here has positively confirmed free energy from any one device on this site, but we all contribute to and replicate anything that looks to be promising. If your asperation is to make money from your idea sharing it here may not be the best idea, but if your interested in helping solve the biggest problem man kind faces in the near future this site is a great outlet for group efforts in research.
I hope to hear more about your device,
~Dingus
Two possible futures for mankind.One, oil wars. Two, after the free energy revolution,Copper wars,and magnetic material wars. Why has China forced up the global price of copper by buying all she can get?
Quote from: Limoman7 on July 24, 2005, 11:25:24 PM
Has anyone really achieved petpetual motion?
I'm very close with my design and was wondering who else has done it.
Is it unsafe to show others? or is that just a bunch of BS?
My device is siimilar to a SMOT but the magnets work a little diifferent.
It would not be very hard to build a magnetic motor along the same lines.
Cheers!
hi,
no BS but it can be dangerous depending on who you show it to and how many people you show it to. my suggestion is to go for mass distribution as open source technology.
peace
BushWacker wrote: "For that reason I believe that the only way that the masses can hope to force free energy technologies to the surface and into the light for all to see is to share any information that one may have on the matter whether it is your own idea or someone else's. The stakes we face ahead if we don't overcome our old nature are in my opinion far to high to ignore, and the clock continues to tick towards what most believe to be inevitable."
I agree 100%. I'll just add my own thoughts to this.
I believe cheap energy is possible through a permanent magnet motor. (I'll let physicists argue about the proper title for a machine like this.) I believe that governments around the world do not want us to have free energy. I believe OPEC works with governments around the world to suppress any technologies that would compete with oil. (Surprised solar and wind and hydro weren't stomped) I believe if people want this problem fixed they're going to have to fix it themselves.
This will require a device that meets certain criteria, IMHO.
1. It will convert energy into a usable form for the average citizen.
2. It be made from commonly available parts.
3. A complete parts list be given away.
4. Complete assembly instructions and blueprints also be given away.
5. And include a cover letter encouraging people to photocopy the plans and give them away to others who want energy independence.
Hopefully, if a device that meets these criteria is made, individuals can give OPEC a virus that spreads quicker than they can suppress. It will depend on individuals to actually assemble or pay to have assembled these products and put them to use in their everyday lives. So long as they also show others how to do it the product should spread.
We can't rely on government to fix this problem. OPEC is not interested in fixing the problem. And manufacturing plants are vulnerable to pressure from governments to shut their doors and tear up their prototypes and plans. To a person, we have to do this ourselves. My biggest fear is that I get a device operational and no one is interested in putting it to use in their lives because they'd rather wait for some company to manufacture it for them. It will fail if that happens.
So, if I get my motor to run and people steal it I really don't care because that would not stop me from continuing to give it away. Why patent something that people are already assembling at home on their own? How can you make money on something people can make for themselves far cheaper? And if someone does steal it and try to patent it, at least the men in black will be too busy shooting that individual to worry about a little nothing like me. ;D
Free energy is not something to try to make money off of at this point. Doing that will get you a world full of trouble you don't want. It belongs to all of us and that's really the only safe way to look at it right now.
it could be dangerous to show others your invention, because some people would take it from you.
if you are going to make it public, make sure to do it so that people recognize you as the inventor.
one thing, search the web to see if it is indeed an original idea. i thought i had some original ideas, but as it turns out most of the ideas were not original when i searched the web.
I agree with mangyhyena. The powers to be want nothing more than to keep the power they have at any cost. That's easy to see by just watching the news. The energy industry is hands down the largest in this world and whoever controls that, controls the world. I don't doubt that a device can be constructed and believe that many have been already. If money is your motivator to make such a device, you’re heading down the wrong path. A device like this will create change; the world power doesn't want change. We alone will never have the horsepower to overcome this. None of us are a smart as all of us, so by pulling together and forgetting profit, we can make change. Change in the form of energy independence.
On the lighter side.. Anyone have a source for copper wire? Thx
The thing I always think about free energy is.... If matter and energy are the same thing, then saying you could create a source of free energy would be like saying you have a matter creating device and can make something from nothing! It just don't make sense to think one could create energy from nothing.
Having said that, this is a setup that I have tested several times that contradicts that concept!
I believe it actually has something to do with the fact that a magnet does not double in strength by adding another like magnet. However, the field size can be doubled without losing strength which does increase the work done.
It's the expanding field theory.
Quote from: lumen on June 24, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
I believe it actually has something to do with the fact that a magnet does not double in strength by adding another like magnet.
IMHO, a magnet more than doubles its strength when another like magnet is added. The "usable external field" does not double, but is increased by a substantial amount. The missing part, which is hard to measure, is the field between the 2 magnets. If you add that into the total, I think you'll discover there is actually a bit more than double.
OC
Oc, That is too easy to test, just stick two magnets together and measure the pull, Then measure the pull when placed side by side. You will see the two have much more pull than when together as a single magnet.
The point is , I have already tested the pull at every .05 inch increment through the shown cycle using two different fixtures and the results are the same. The setup shows exactly as described, and there is a gain after considering all the moves from inserting magnet "C" to extracting it.
I have the collected data in a log book of both the tests and believe something is unusual with this setup. The gain is substantial at about 15% of the force of moving "A" from "B". This is about the same work as lifting 1kg .05 inch for each transaction.
As magnet "A" is pulled into the north face of both magnet "C" and "B" it will actually start to pull easier as it gains some push from the existing fields.
It's a simple setup, you could verify it yourself.
Additionally, this is another setup based on the same principal but configured differently.
Quote from: Dingus Mungus on January 21, 2007, 04:43:41 AM
< sarcasm >
Yeah I'm sure everyone here tries to patent evry half baked idea that comes down the pipe...
< /sarcasm >
This is a open source research community in which the modus operandi is free and open sharing of ideas, concepts, and prototypes amongst peers for evaluation, replication, leading finally to confimation.
As far as I know no one here has positively confirmed free energy from any one device on this site, but we all contribute to and replicate anything that looks to be promising. If your asperation is to make money from your idea sharing it here may not be the best idea, but if your interested in helping solve the biggest problem man kind faces in the near future this site is a great outlet for group efforts in research.
I hope to hear more about your device,
~Dingus
Hi . That is exactly why i have patented several of my working ideas and not made them open source . the best way to Solve Free Energy is offer a working product such as My E-light or Eternity light . A device i created that runs leds lights on one aaa battery while simultaneously charging another to full capacity to swap and always have a spare battery ready to go to provide usable light . Patent pending and i have sold many prototypes working modles to the public to fund the patents and give people what they desire , free energy,and that when disassembled they self destruct plus there are no part numbers if someone tries to see them nor is the schematic public or a copy of someone elses idea . another method i am in the process to patent to protect My circuits . It may be the only way to get free energy is to pay for it first . open source is like the above poster said its easily made someones else s idea with a simple patent . you don't even need a working prototype just the idea can be patented as My patent lawyer said do not post anything unless you want to give it away to someone else to make money from or patent it first !Simply put FREE ENERGY will not be free to the public but only to the inventor and the patent holder . Free energy is Free money and where do you all think that will happen ? here? No this world is all about Money and buying stuff . I for see a small generator in every home in the future after all the patents and military applications are exhausted along with our oil supply . not until then . If before then then its private sales like my own and word of mouth that they exist .
gadget .
Patent lawyers are out to make money just like you say, "every thing is about money in this world" The thing he is not saying is that as soon as an idea is posted, it is the posters instant copyright and anything used from this original work is still the authors original work!
If you notice the posting date on all the posts, you can count this as the copyright date and when you patent your idea based on someones posted idea, you would need to be sure they would not want to come back and claim your patent based on stolen prior work!
(You know how to keep a lawyer from drowning? Take your foot off his head!)
Quote from: lumen on September 10, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
...it is the posters instant copyright and anything used from this original work is still the authors original work!
That's true...for the 'text and pictures' in a post. However, a copyright only protects the 'embodiment' of an author's work, not the idea itself, whereas a patent protects the 'idea', regardless of the embodiment of that idea.
In other words, the 'post' is protected but not the idea expressed in the post. The idea becomes public domain (public knowledge) upon dissemination unless it has been patented beforehand.
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