I recently built a Robert C. Beck Biological Electrification Device.
Here are two hours of the man himself, speaking about this device, and others:
Click here. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383948315844437935&q=%22robert+c.+beck%22&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)
My good friend from across the Atlantic, Roberto, asked if I would share my build experience. I could not find any, "Health Matters," category here in this forum, so I decided to start this new topic here in this category.
The schematic and directions are on page 7 of 42 in the attached PDF; (between pages 4 and 5 of the numbered pages if you print the document.)
I made several substitutions, due to a lack of immediate availability, and yet the final unit seems to perform as intended. The substitutions are:
1. Radio Shack TLO82 Dual BiFET OP Amp, (Supply voltage = 36 VDC,) for US$1.99. Since my supply voltage is only 27 VDC, I decided that this might work instead of the, "LM358... 50 volt peak to peak...," called for in the circuit description. I opted not to drive 25 miles away to purchase an NTE928M, for US$3.50, which is supposed to be more similar to the LM358 than what I purchased close to home for less money.
2. Radio Shack INT4742A 12-Volt Zener Diodes, (US$1.39,) instead of the 18 V diodes called for in the circuit description. Since this diode pair is seldom used, only by the power indicator circuit, I decided to solder in these twelve volt twins instead.
3. A ceramic 0.22 MF cap that I already had on hand instead of the 22 MF cap called for in the circuit description. Since this cap is seldom used, only by the power indicator circuit, and I can see the LED light, (a bit dimly), I decided to solder it in for now.
4. Radio Shack 100k-Ohm Linear-Taper Potentiometer, sans the built-in SPST switch called for in the circuit description. So, I had to add the extra surface mount switch. I used two pins of a small surplus DPDT switch that I already had on hand from a box of "mystery parts" that I purchased 25 miles away and last year.
5. Stainless steel fork tines instead of stainless steel welding rods. Since soldering stainless steel was troubling for me, I found that the shape of the fork tines fit nicely into some standard female blade terminals.
I had a few parts on hand but still managed to part with $36.00 at Radio Shack.
I have not used it, 'as prescribed,' thus far. There are other parts of the protocol missing and some strong precautions to heed. I need to listen to the old man one more time and take more solid notes.
Sorry about the fuzzy photos. I used a camera phone at perhaps too close to focus well. However, the circuit, the source with all the tiny details, and all of my substitutions are attached or noted here.
Made possible by Tao and Jason.
More later.
Rosphere
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I bought a pre-made device from SOTA some years back...
Beck's device works, period. Its based on EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS...
Here is a GREAT writeup on Beck http://www.sharinghealth.com/researchers/beck.html
You know what is funny? Did you know that Bob Beck is FRONT row in Peter Lindemann's Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity video? It is him all right, so you know that Lindemann knows Beck's work very well...
I have used the device many times when sick, and no matter the illness, it alleviates it very quickly...
That sharinghealth.com website has Beck's original paper handouts for sale, the ones that he used to give out for FREE to visitors to his FREE SEMINARS. He wanted NOTHING more than to HELP HUMANITY via this device, period.
Oh, and rosphere, you should be able to get some nice electrodes from SOTA, I know that they used to sell replacement ones. Mine that came with my device are nice, cylindrical and gold plated with a speaker jack connection on the end of the wires.
Peace guys, these will be my only comments on this device.
@Tao,
Thank you.
Who directed this to Jason, I wonder. ;)
@Rosphere
Well done
I like it
helmut
Thank you, helmut.
Here is a link to the earlier device patent referred to in the video for treating blood outside the body.
Click here. (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5188738.PN.&OS=PN/5188738&RS=PN/5188738)
Quote from: Rosphere on February 27, 2008, 06:08:34 PM
@Tao,
Thank you.
Who directed this to Jason, I wonder. ;)
Yes, I wonder... ;D
8)
I'm quite excited that there are people here interested in alternative methods of healing, perhaps we can ask Stefan for a section on this subject where we can share our experiences and knowledge or even collaborate on some future research projects (free ones, health should be free).
Dr. Beck was much more than it meets the eye (or that people know about) and it is just so unfortunate that he is not with us anymore. There's a whole new generation of people interested in alternative medicine that he could've guided and assisted with his vast experience and knowledge. I was recently reading up on Lakhovsky MWO and found this page http://integratron.com/4Technical/Technical.html , and what do you know, it's Dr. Bob Beck's circuit included.
As far as his "Plant Growth Stimulator", I have been reading field tests from other experimenters and they have come to the conclusion that using stainless steel electrodes eventually hurts the skin and people develop redness around the area where they are applied.
My thinking was in the lines of using gold or silver (plated) electrodes instead of stainless steel and saline solutions, but have not done any tests with either yet. What's everyone's thinking on that idea?
Also, there were suggestions elsewhere about using carbon (based) electrodes instead, which are more closer to our biological makeup and would not require any saline solutions either for increasing conductivity. Of course we would need to find the right kind of material to be used so that adverse effects of a redness or a rash developing at contact spots is avoided.
Thank Rosphere for sharing your work!!
G R E A T
Roberto
Hi all,
I too experimented briefly with a home-made Beck's zapper and found out that my appetite had decreased during that time but I was not hungry. Lost some weight (250 lbs down to about 235 lbs). Energy level was somewhat elevated but not dramatically, slept well during the night - a nice change for the better.
I plan to go back and do the entire 3-week regimen out of curiosity (I feel fine health-wise, fyi)
Best regards,
Jacek
Quote from: amigo on February 27, 2008, 08:54:26 PM
...I'm quite excited that there are people here interested in alternative methods of healing, perhaps we can ask Stefan for a section on this subject where we can share our experiences and knowledge or even collaborate on some future research projects (free ones, health should be free)...
Thank you for your thoughts, amigo.
@Stefan This sounds good to me. I am sure that there are a good number of sedentary laboratory dwelling creatures here that might benefit with a tip or two about health matters. What do you think about adding a new health category?
Quote from: amigo on February 27, 2008, 08:54:26 PM
...My thinking was in the lines of using gold or silver (plated) electrodes instead of stainless steel and saline solutions, but have not done any tests with either yet. What's everyone's thinking on that idea?
Well, I can not speak for everyone, but tao uses gold. I have emboldened his words about the electrodes, below. (And backed-up the rest of his experience points at the same time to guard against any, unforeseen at the moment, future outbreaks of emotional deletions. I've done them myself at times.)
Quote from: tao on February 27, 2008, 05:54:01 PM
I bought a pre-made device from SOTA some years back...
Beck's device works, period. Its based on EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS...
Here is a GREAT writeup on Beck http://www.sharinghealth.com/researchers/beck.html
You know what is funny? Did you know that Bob Beck is FRONT row in Peter Lindemann's Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity video? It is him all right, so you know that Lindemann knows Beck's work very well...
I have used the device many times when sick, and no matter the illness, it alleviates it very quickly...
That sharinghealth.com website has Beck's original paper handouts for sale, the ones that he used to give out for FREE to visitors to his FREE SEMINARS. He wanted NOTHING more than to HELP HUMANITY via this device, period.
Oh, and rosphere, you should be able to get some nice electrodes from SOTA, I know that they used to sell replacement ones. Mine that came with my device are nice, cylindrical and gold plated with a speaker jack connection on the end of the wires.
Peace guys, these will be my only comments on this device.
Quote from: ronotte on February 28, 2008, 02:54:03 PM
Thank Rosphere for sharing your work!!
G R E A T
Roberto
Ask and receive, my friend.
Quote from: jacek on February 28, 2008, 10:15:42 PM
...Lost some weight (250 lbs down to about 235 lbs). Energy level was somewhat elevated but not dramatically, slept well during the night - a nice change for the better.
I plan to go back and do the entire 3-week regimen out of curiosity (I feel fine health-wise, fyi)...
Thank you for sharing your experience. Did you make your own unit or from where did you purchase it?
I recently measured the frequency of my homemade unit. It measures 4.17~4.18 Hz, (using a Fluke 25.) This seems too high; higher than half of the lowest resonant Schumann frequency of 7.83 Hz. However:
Quote...the fundamental Schumann frequency fluctuates between 7.0 Hz. to 8.5 Hz. These frequencies vary from geological location to location, and they can even have naturally occurring interruptions.
http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html (http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html)
Also, the Beck text say "~4 Hz" and "not critical." So, I guess my frequency is just fine. :)
@all
The Topic of a new sektion could be named:
Free Health
@Rosphere
Do you kow of a circuit,that is using a NE555 Timer to do the Job?
helmut
Quote from: helmut on March 01, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
@Rosphere
Do you kow of a circuit,that is using a NE555 Timer to do the Job?
Yes, see page 3 and page 4 of the PDF attached to the bottom of my first post.
My 1 oz. of 10 gauge 9999 silver wire has arrived. :)
Quote from: Rosphere on March 01, 2008, 08:10:16 AM
Did you make your own unit or from where did you purchase it?
@Roshere,
I built one myself per this schematic: http://sharinghealth.com/beckprotocol/buildyourown.html
On the side note, the colloidal silver generator section is not being used anymore because I built another CS gen that alternates wire polarity automatically every 20 minutes or so. Saves the inconvenience of swapping the wires by hand (it's official - I am lazy :))
Hope this helps, have fun, folks.
Quote from: Rosphere on March 01, 2008, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: helmut on March 01, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
@Rosphere
Do you kow of a circuit,that is using a NE555 Timer to do the Job?
Yes, see page 3 and page 4 of the PDF attached to the bottom of my first post.
My 1 oz. of 10 gauge 9999 silver wire has arrived. :)
Thanks Rosphere
I had it here all ready,but did not know .sry
So you are producing colloidal silver as well?
Since 2 years i hav one here,but dit not drink it the silverwater ,because i was afraid
of using the destilled water from the supermarket.Somwere was writte,that the
Produkt would or could contain toxic elements.
Do you know more about the matter?
helmut
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I have spent many months experimenting with various circuits for production of CS. In all that time I have not tried any of my CS solutions, I'd simply measure the conductivity, look for the Tyndall effect but then never end up being happy about concentrations and scrap the whole batch.
Yesterday, I decided to try one of my CS solutions that I measured at 8.7ppm, which has been sitting on the shelf for the past two weeks. Since I was coming down with a cold I figured what a heck so last night I took about 40ml, then this morning another 30ml and another 20ml at noon.
Rest assured if you have never done this before you are in for an interesting experience, at least if my own example is a measure of anything. What happens is that CS will interact with the gastrointestinal tract and wipe it clean from all bacteria (good and bad ones alike). Plus you are in for quite a "gassy" ride...I'm still feeling lousy but I think my cold is progressing much faster than usual so I guess CS is doing something. :)
In retrospect, I feel that taking 40ml the first time was an overkill, I just simply did not know what's a standard doze people take. 10ml might be just enough to start with, see how it goes...also, have some pro-biotic yogurt handy to replenish the good bacteria in your digestive tract. ;)
And while on the CS note, does your solution have/leave a metallic taste when you swash it in your mouth? I suppose since there's nothing else in it but distiled water and silver it ought to be metallic.
Also, what's everyone's take on using a nebulizer to disperse the CS directly into lungs rather than consuming it through digestive system? Taking it through the lungs would guarantee that CS is immediately spread through the blood and reach all areas in a shortest time greatly increasing the effect. I'm yet to purchase a nebulizer and try though, not sure which brand to get (most likely off eBay).
As far as a Health group in here, we must make sure that there is a big fat disclaimer posted that all materials and information is presented for research purposes only, that it is free for all and in public domain, that cannot be commercialized and that no application of any device or substance should be replace prior consultation with your physician. Just the usual mambo-jumbo... :)
Hi Amigo
Thanks for the Story
I think,that you made as well a importand Statement about the Health Group and a relating Disclaimer.
helmut
To all,
The effects of CIS generating/ingesting have proved to be inconsistent for me. Back in November of '07, I had symptoms like sore throat, stuffy nose for a few days, nothing worth writing home about. I was taking CS in rather moderate quantities, my symptoms didn't get worse. Then one morning I woke up with a headache and muscle pain that lasted a whole work day. I kept thinking to myself that CS didn't work for me. Regardless, decided to make a fresh brew in the evening, roughly 1 liter. Drank some 0.2 liter, went to bed feeling pretty miserable. My wife tried her best to talk me into taking cold relief medicine, but I refused, not wanting to introduce additional variables into the equation. Woke up next morning and actually felt somewhat better. Drank another glass of CS and by noon I felt GREAT.
A friend of mine and his wife had similar experiences - she was fine after 1 day and for him it took 2 days to recover from cold/flu symptoms. I felt pretty upbeat about CS so when my wife went down with a cold, she drank CS but it didn't work for her. :(
I was speculating that perhaps Beck's blood electrifier that I subjected myself to at that time helped, my wfe did not use it.
I early Feb '08 I caught a mild cold, took CIS, but this time it did not work at all for me. As the symptoms got worse, I had to resort to Nyquil/Dayquil, vitamin C, hot tea with lots of lemon juice in it to get better. I am still puzzled by this one. Did not use Beck's zapper at that time, perhaps I should have. Another difference is that I usually take a small amount into my mouth, swish it around for 10 minutes without swallowing, then spit it out. Subsequently, I drink the remainder of CS. But in ine early February, I only drank the fluid without keeping it under the tongue. Not sure if it matters or not.
Then about 2 weeks ago I began experimenting with this stuff again, but this time decided to put a freshly brewed jar with CS inside a small cardboard pyramid that I built a few months before. Perhaps I read somewhere about CS in pyramids, but can't remember, could be making this up, I don't know. One difference I noticed is that the silver water solution tasted smoother with less metallic aftertaste. Prior to ingesting this last brew of CS, I had scratchy throat - it usually is bad news for me as it then leads to upper respiratory tract infection. But this time, I felt immediate relief in thoat soreness. Decided to take CS twice a day as a precation to minimize a chance of getting something more serious. Keep in mind that most of my coworkers suffered from colds / influenza in the last 2 weeks, but I am doing fine, knock on wood.
I am wondering if others would feel increased smoothness in CS taste after putting it in a pyramid, shold you decide to try. The proportions of my pyramid are close to that of Cheops (Khufu) one.
In summary, I am puzzled by these apparent variations in CS effectiveness, maybe my ignorance plays a major role here and with experimentation the consistency will come, I hope.
Happy experimenting.
J.
Jacek,
Thanks for that report, I think the more true personal experiences we gather there will be more empirical evidence to improve on CS in general.
I try to make it a practice to swish in my mouth and gargle since the sub-lingual absorption works fastest, after IV or inhaling. Though swishing for 10 minutes is quite difficult for me, I just have no patience. That's why I was thinking to use a nebulizer instead and inhale the vapours.
Do you have any instruments to measure your CS conductivity, and which circuit do you use to produce your CS? How about the Tyndall effect in your CS?
Over here I have a HM Digital COM-100 combo meter. My last experiments were 8.5-8-7ppm (for what's it worth), and I was using a constant current setup of ~440uA at 30V for about 7 hours.
I use 350ml of distiled water with two electrodes shaped in a U inside a standard borosilicate glass beaker. This batch was slightly heated using a USB powered heater (you can get those at computer stores to keep your coffee/tea cups warm).
I am not sure about increased smoothness, distiled water already feels pretty viscose, but putting CS into a pyramid is definitely my next test. Did you observe and positioning and orientation when you did this (CS placed at the King's Chamber and pyramid oriented towards geographic North)?
i think this apparatus is not ready for year 2000
because of new researches and new technologies that are exist today.
there is a page in the site there is written Robert bob beak 1925-2002 so he died?
why is he died at 77? isn't that healthy people should live forever? nowadays people live 100 years
maybe it is because of silver drinks or something else
i think it is important to eat things you can digest.
what were the claims of the FDA why this is a bad apparatus?
this apparatus seems working but i think it may be dangerous
because it maybe killing some useful germ in the body.
maybe some professional biological tests should be be done to more refine it's operation and to make it work better.
i think it needs reworking.
Hi shimondoodkin,
Thanks for your comment.
As far as I know Dr. Robert Beck died due to complications from falling down - he had bad knees and there could've been some brain damage due to the fall. Definitely something his devices could not fix, but I'm sure if he had the time he would've worked on that problem as well. ;)
He was quite a brilliant scientist and an inventor of many things, among others an electronics camera flash. His credentials are impeccable, having spent most of his life working as a physicist for the US Gov, after retiring he focused on health subjects. But you don't want me typing all that, just google it and read up...
Quote from: shimondoodkin on March 02, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
i think this apparatus is not ready for year 2000
because of new researches and new technologies that are exist today.
there is a page in the site there is written Robert bob beak 1925-2002 so he died?
why is he died at 77? isn't that healthy people should live forever? nowadays people live 100 years
maybe it is because of silver drinks or something else
i think it is important to eat things you can digest.
Amigo,
I do not have any special instruments to measure conductivity, only a digital multimeter. Prior to applying electricity to the silver wires, I heat up the glass jar that contains distilled water (steam distilled water, to be exact - I buy it at Jewel foodstore) inside a steel pot on a gas stove. Once the tap water in the pot reaches boiling point, I set the gas knob to 'low' setting, apply 35 V DC to the wires. The amount of electric current at the very begining of the brewing process usually reads about 400 uA (that's micro-Amperes), so the related conductivity reading is 11.4e-6 S or 87.5 kOhms. The process is allowed to run for 1 hour typically at which point the current reads about 1.5 mA (milli-Ampres), voltage across the wires reads approximately 27 V DC (5.55e-5 S or 18 kOhms). Water is still clear with barely visible Tyndall backscatter effect). I do not have any idea what the ppm value is in my brew, but from what I read, ppm value is of secondary importance relative to the size of silver particles which should be as small as possible). In my understanding low current pretty much translates to small particle size.
Keep in mind that I am very much a newbie at making CIS and that everything I write here should be taken with a grain of salt.
Regards,
Jacek
edit: Forgot to mention that my cardboard pyramid is oriented to true N-S as close as possible with the aid of my very cheap compass. The top of the water level reaches some 3/4 of the height of the pyramid, I guess it means that King's Chamber is below that top level, I am not 100% sure.
Hmm, I agree that particle size should be in the 0.001-0.01 microns range but that's impossible to measure without an electron microscope, but I also feel that concentration of particles should have an effect, the more particles in the solution less CS you need to take to saturate the body.
I have also used a Bedini Solid-State oscillator as a source (Dr. Peter Lindemann suggested it to me from his own past experience) and that would usually produce 3.5 - 5ppm (though I do not recall anymore what kind of Tyndall it had, I did not make notes at the time but will run more tests again).
Also, I believe you are mistaken about your pyramid orientation because True North is a geographical North towards the Northern Star (Polaris) not the compass derived magnetic North...
Thanks.
Quote from: jacek on March 02, 2008, 11:14:41 PM
Amigo,
I do not have any special instruments to measure conductivity, only a digital multimeter. Prior to applying electricity to the silver wires, I heat up the glass jar that contains distilled water (steam distilled water, to be exact - I buy it at Jewel foodstore) inside a steel pot on a gas stove. Once the tap water in the pot reaches boiling point, I set the gas knob to 'low' setting, apply 35 V DC to the wires. The amount of electric current at the very begining of the brewing process usually reads about 400 uA (that's micro-Amperes), so the related conductivity reading is 11.4e-6 S or 87.5 kOhms. The process is allowed to run for 1 hour typically at which point the current reads about 1.5 mA (milli-Ampres), voltage across the wires reads approximately 27 V DC (5.55e-5 S or 18 kOhms). Water is still clear with barely visible Tyndall backscatter effect). I do not have any idea what the ppm value is in my brew, but from what I read, ppm value is of secondary importance relative to the size of silver particles which should be as small as possible). In my understanding low current pretty much translates to small particle size.
Regards,
Jacek
edit: Forgot to mention that my cardboard pyramid is oriented to true N-S as close as possible with the aid of my very cheap compass. The top of the water level reaches some 3/4 of the height of the pyramid, I guess it means that King's Chamber is below that top level, I am not 100% sure.
Amigo,
With the primitive equipment at hand, I am quite lucky to be able to make any CS, lol.
Seriously though, since my CS generator isn't capable of current limitting, I elected the low current (=small particle size?) vs higher ppm.
I should've made this clear in the previous post.
I may modify the generator to be able to limit the current.
As to the N-S orientation, this is best I can do at the moment (eyeballing with an aid of simple compass), however I am aware of magnetic deviation from geographic N-S line, currently -3 degrees for where I live. Additionally, the pyramid I use is a cardboard one, definately not the most accurate replica of the Grand One in Giza :).
J.
Hehe sorry, I didn't mean to be a pain in the a$$, I'm just a stickler for details and when it comes to things like this precise details might be important to ensure that identical results repeat each time. :D
You could use LM334 for current limiting, a very simple circuit which also has two resistors and a diode...I guess you did not use any kind of voltage or current limiting but applied 30V straight and just count the time in your brew.
I was going to actually build a Microchip PIC driven system with data logging and sample measurements so that the process is stopped at the right moment. A really good page for an in-depth analysis is Mike Monett's "SilverSol" at http://members.spsdialup.com/mts@spsdialup.com/index.htm if you aren't aware of it already. :)
Amigo,
I modified the CS generator by adding current limiters to each electrode path (using Beck-based blood purifier device for this job). Current is set to a maximum of 1 mA. Distilled water gets heated up before applying the current then process is allowed to run overnight for approximately 10 hours. The finished solution is clear with no visible goldish tint to it, hardly any solids (silver salts or oxide?) on the bottom of the jar and STRONG Tyndall, silver wire pretty much clear of gunk. I keep ingesting this colloid, feel fine.
The link below suggests that my ppm could be pretty high (1 liter, 1 mA, 10 hours):
http://www.silvermedicine.org/Silver%20v01%5B1%5D.09.06.xls
In another experiment I pured some milk into two small cups, ran 75 mA / 35 V DC current thru silver wires in one of them for a couple of minutes. Then covered the cups with small saucers and left them sitting on a kitchen table since Friday night. This morning the 'silver' milk still smelled fresh with no symptoms of solidyfying. The milk in 'control' cup turned smelly and semi-solid.
So in conclusion, it appears that silver particles have slowed down the process of the milk going spoiled. Will keep an eye on the 'silver' milk until it starts smelling or getting 'kefired'.
Thanks for the LM334 current limiter suggestion, did not have any on hand so I used an MPS651 NPN transistor plus 2 resistors and two diodes to do the job.
Best,
j.
edit: used a wrong name in the first line.
Hi jacek,
I do not believe you need to have current limiter on both paths, just on the positive electrode path. You could also try to switch electrodes every 15-30 minutes to prevent Silver Hydroxide from forming.
Depending how long your electrodes are, 1mA might be too much current. Usually the electrode wet surface is calculated and the current applied computed based on that surface.
With regards to the colour, there's an old book about colloids called Practical Colloid Chemistry, section on Colours of Colloidal Metals that talks in detail about various colours. Peter Lindemann in this article refers to it http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm
Also, you might want to read this one about Lunar influences on electrochemical production of colloidal silver: http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/lunar.htm :)
Quote from: amigo on March 16, 2008, 09:45:40 PM
I do not believe you need to have current limiter on both paths, just on the positive electrode path. You could also try to switch electrodes every 15-30 minutes to prevent Silver Hydroxide from forming.
Depending how long your electrodes are, 1mA might be too much current. Usually the electrode wet surface is calculated and the current applied computed based on that surface.
Amigo,
Thanks for sharing the links.
The reason I put current limiters on both paths is because my CS gen swaps the electrodes polarity every 20 minutes or so.
I use the 14 AWG wire with about 4" of each wire wetted. IIRC, someone on the Web (sorry, I don't have a link handy right now) suggested 1 mA current for my arrangement, however I am open for suggestions if you don't mind sharing.
Funny, I had a strange feeling that Moon had something to do with CS, lol. It makes it even more interesting.
Take care,
Jacek
Hi jacek,
14AWG seems to me pretty thin, but in general you need to compute the wet surface of each electrode and add them together then I believe it's 1mA for each square inch, though I think that ratio is someone else's not mine.
My electrodes are 12AWG, and I actually have 10AWG as well, with the dipped part of about 6" each (both are curved in a nice U shape to increase the surface). I drive them with 400-600uA constant current at 30V DC no switching for several hours, or using a Bedini solid state oscillator up to an hour.
Depending which method I use the Tyndall effect is different suggesting different particle size. With Bedini oscillator there are no large specks and Tyndall is more transparent (eyeing it out) while the constant current one is less transparent with occasional scintillations suggesting larger particles.
In general they say to get the smallest possible particle size you can, regardless of the concentration in ppm. The smaller particles penetrate cells better and are most commonly used internally (ingested, sub-lingual, inhaled) while larger particles are better for oral applications (eyes, skin, nose, etc).
Interesting....i make my CS to straw yellow. Takes just a couple of hours to make couple of litres. Current limit is 7 ma voltage 25. Taking the brew to 10 ppm is ideal for several reasons.
1) it gives reference point to when the CS is ready because when it optimum it will turn very pale yellow. This can ONLY happen when enough silver has gone into the solution to refract the light and happens around 10 ppm.
2) 10 ppm is know scientifically to be the optimum level for fastest eradication of pathogens.
If you ever see any other colors or contaminates throw it away! Any hint of grey the brew is contaminated. Orange over brewed.
Light straw yellow with no crap seen on the bottom ......perfect.
When you drink it it should have a slight metallic taste but its not unpleasant. Kinda of antiseptic properties to it. Swish around your mouth is good for hogs breath:)
Clean the silver wire regularly during the brew. Keep OUT of sunlight. Once you made it put in a dark cupboard. If you leave CS in the sun light for a few hours you kill it.
Dont use metal pans for heating the water. CS should only ever be made in pyrex glass ware. Not even stirred with metal spoon. ANY contamination is bad. Everything must be washed sterile in distilled water and rinsed perfectly. Heating on coffee plate or microwave oven.
Tons of stuff on google about this but this is my guide. When you are sick you can drink half a pint! yes HALF PINT a day of 10 ppm silver for around 30 days without ever reaching unsafe limits. If you are making a clear water batch at room temps you may never even get to as high as 5-7 ppm even after 10 hours. Once you are well again the back ground support dose is 2 table spoons a day. Or even non at all. I don't take CS all the time i take it IF i need it. I know many many people that drink as much as a pint of CS a day for years and never turn blue in fact it almost impossible if you use pure water and NEVER EVER add salt or anything into the CS. Only then you will make silver nitrates and run the risk of CS blues. Dont forget folks there are over 10 million CS users in the US now and only about 8 have gone blue and they drunk buckets for decades. If you are sensible you will NEVER go blue but no point taking a sip a day either and expect it to work miracles when you are very sick.
If you get a bad cold coming on you know when you wake up throat dry nose feels stuffy and hot. You must act fast! Squirt CS up your nose and in your ears. You must do this as the cold virus is now in the inner ear and sinuses. Drink 1/4 pint of CS in the morning then the next 1/4 at night. Use a spray bottle and inhale CS 3 sharp breaths and suck it in to get down on your lungs and do ears nose lungs 3 or 4 times per day. Within 30 minutes each time you will notice a huge difference. But you must continue the process. 90% of bad colds and flu can be gone in about 12 to 18 hours. Even the worst flu can be reduced to 2 days instead of the usual 3 or 4 days feeling like crap.
Using becks blood cleaner if you make your own go and buy a kit of spare TENS machine electrodes. You can buy like 10 for a few bucks and the self sticky ones can be used for like 2 weeks before you need to replace them. Cut them into strips if you have to so they fit on the wrist correctly. Much more comfy and they stay in place.
BTW becks stuff absolutely does work given time. Don't be fooled you must start slow. If you go straight in with 2 hours and never used it before you will be sorry! Its a bit like when you are given 1000 mg of Amoxicillin it makes you feel like shit for a couple of days due to die off effects. You should always start slow like 15 mins then 30 increase to 2 hours a day for 30 days. etc. Google for the beck protocol. If you over do it you will feel sick and get a light head and must drink lots of pure fresh water VERY important.
Anway the TPU team on here should be experts at making this stuff especially the beck zapper coil. Otto TPU should be good for banging out 70,000 gauss:) That should cure any cancer known to man LOL
Remember the beck protocol requires everything to work on sickness. CS, blood cleaner, magnetic zapper, ozone water (excellent stuff) and your commitment. If you skip any of these it may not work of be short lived recovery.
Wow, has it been over two months since I stopped in here, on my own topic?
I suppose I feel that it is a bit off topic of the whole OU thing. I did not want to keep bumping it to the top.
But, since it has already been bumped, (thank you, bolt,) I just want to report that I have nothing to report.
I have been feeling well and feel no need to use it.
My father, however, just got his four nines in the mail this week. He is now waiting on his two ppm meters to arrive.
(He got one for me too. :'( Aww...) He even purchased buffer solution.
It feels odd to get my father interested in something new. ???
Thanks for the PPM data. It sounds within the same order of magnitude that my dad was tossing about recently.
Hi Rosphere
Do you have any news to report?
helmut
Yes: It still works. I try it out once in a great while for 15 minutes or so. I do not know if it is actually doing any good, because I already feel healthy, but it does not seem to do any harm.
I feel better about having access to this technology, but at the same time I hope that I never need to use it. ;)
My Dad still does the silver. He claims to have more hair now and he is not Smurf blue--he is careful to avoid making silver-nitrate.
Quote from: Rosphere on September 06, 2008, 07:23:52 PM
Yes: It still works. I try it out once in a great while for 15 minutes or so. I do not know if it is actually doing any good, because I already feel healthy, but it does not seem to do any harm.
I feel better about having access to this technology, but at the same time I hope that I never need to use it. ;)
My Dad still does the silver. He claims to have more hair now and he is not Smurf blue--he is careful to avoid making silver-nitrate.
Thanks for the Update
Helmut
Old old topic (I just found it), but I want to add something from my side.
I'm in the process of Bob Beck's protocol, its my 5th time when I'm trying to do a full course of 40 days in one row.
I jumped into this when I found about it on free-energy-info.co.uk and especially about nanobacterias as a cause of kidney stones.
I'm suffering from kidney stones from my early childhood. Its probably worst pain you can imagine and you never know when you'll get it.
Anyway, I started from 2 hours with zapper.. that was a mistake. I had exactly what Bolt said - I felt like s..it and after a few days I end up in hospital with huge pain from passing a stone. After a few days I got better, started zapping again and guess what.. another stone. And another, and another. CT scan shows nothing, clean kidney, they just grow like mad in between. I passed six of them so far, more less one every week, doctors were making a big eyes and says its impossible to produce stones so quickly.
Its 10 days after last stone and 7 days when I left hospital and started zapping again. Plus ozone water in huge amounts and silver colloid. I'm not doing magnetic pulser. This time I started from 30 minutes of zapping adding 5 minutes every day and not increasing the time when I see symptoms of body purifying, like over the weekend I had a strange sweating during a day and now my tongue has a white coat.
It does the job.
PS. there is no treatment for kidney stones in western medicine. Simply not. Doctors can break a big stones (lithotripsy) or remove them from your body but they don't prevent/cure. Nanobacterias as a cause is not proven so far (as they say), so even if some doctors cures them with tetracycline (or doxycycline) antibiotics (I found some info on internet), my doctor refused to make that treatment to me.
Alternative medicine didn't work for me. At all.
buzzer
Man, I have troubles finding what is your conclusion. Could you say clearly if it helps or not for you ?
I'm really sorry that I can't say clearly "yes" or "no" at the moment. I will once I finish 40 days treatment. Today its my 8th day, because after every break done by stone/hospital issue I had to start from the beginning.
Judging by the symptoms so far it does the job.
I'll come back here when finish.
@buzzer:
I'm interested in Beck's treatments ~ albeit for a different ailment.
A question: Did you purchase a machine or build one yourself? If you built one, can you share the schematic?
Hope the best for you!
truesearch
More info on Beck treatment in these forums:
http://www.nvtronics.org/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=3d616052bfd6c356e6acdb29d7020bbc (http://www.nvtronics.org/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=3d616052bfd6c356e6acdb29d7020bbc)
Sota Instruments sells the Silver Pulser which is basically a Beck zapper and colloidal silver maker:
http://www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html (http://www.sota.com/silver-pulser.html)
I believe they worked with Bob Beck to develop their pulser and other instruments. They also sell a water ozonator which is well made. It's more expensive than some of the Chinese models available, but they were pretty thorough in its development.
Bob
From my experience I know that magnetic pulser if very effective on stopping pain in muscles and bones. Once I had one self-made from old photoflash camera and it did the job for me. That's all I can say, however the electronic pulser was never good enough for me, I believe it may work but in current version is more like a toy. I have hope though someday it will be possible to advance such technology to kill any dissease very fast, which is especially important for dangers like ebola virus.
buzzer, I knew a person who was scheduled for surgery to have kidney stones removed in one week. The doctors weren't even considering the sonic method. They just wanted to cut her open and do it the expensive way. She started the week before her scheduled surgery with the kidney bladder flush method as described in this book : http://www.amazon.com/Herbal-First-Aid-Health-Care/dp/091495590X (http://www.amazon.com/Herbal-First-Aid-Health-Care/dp/091495590X) by Kyle Christensen who I know personally. When she went back in to be checked just before surgery all the kidney stones were gone. Completely dissolved and washed out. The doctors of course could barely believe it. Kyle makes very high quality herbs and formulations based largely on Dr. Richard Schultz's teachings. They work. Kyle's site is www.westernbotanicals.com (http://www.westernbotanicals.com) where you can get his herbs and formulas needed for this method. There is no need to be in pain from these. You may need to make some big changes in your diet to prevent this problem from coming back too. I highly recommend getting Kyle's book "Herbal First Aid and Health Care" which is in the link I posted above.
I have one of Beck's magnetic pulsers and while I had personal contact with him at one time I don't agree with everything he taught but some of it is helpful.
@truesearch:
I did the device myself. I prefer that way. Bob Smith posted a links for you.
@e2matrix:
Thanks for that, I'll have a look.
So far I'm doing very good. Can't wait till the end of treatment. 12th day today.
Quick update (7 weeks passed already):
- added magnetic pulser after 3 weeks
- after 4 weeks I experienced strange kidney pain for about 40 hours. CT scan shows clean urinary tracks, no stones, no obstructions. "Strange" because I don't know that kind of pain, I have a lot of experience in that, believe me. And I have no idea what was that. Then I had infection symptoms for 3 days. I took antibiotics, but stopped after 3 days. I drank a pint of silver colloid that time and reduced treatment time of blood electrifier back to 30 min and increasing time 5 minutes every day.
- got cold 10 days ago. Started as usual, from throat, it spread to nose and lungs and was completely gone after 4 days. I inhaled and sprayed nose with silver colloid many times a day. That kind of cold normally is gone after 3-4 weeks (runny nose, cough)
- I'm sleeping 6-7 hours now and fully active rest of the time. I never had that amount energy like I have now.
I'm gonna continue the treatment. On one of the lecture Bob said that his friend had used this device for 6 months and got so called "immortal blood".
I'll make blood tests soon + dark field microscopy test.
It simply works.
17 weeks passed, time for the summary.
No stones anymore. No other sickness. None! Feeling great and full of energy all day, I forgot how is it to have low level of energy. I forgot how is it to be in a bad mood.
I started to share this method with friends and family and there are a few repeating patterns from their feedback not really mentioned anywhere else:
- sleeping. This improves immediately (a few days from starting BE). Easy falling asleep, sleeping very very good.
- easy getting up in the morning
- high level of energy
- very good mood. I would say extremely good mood. One of my 'depressive' friend got a new happy life with that. Funny enough when after 3 weeks electrodes cable broke a low mood came back, but as she said, with not that much intensity as before. After a few days when she managed to fix the cable (she is living far from me, I couldn't help quickly) she is happy again.
- less demand for food, but not less appetite. Some of my friends getting that, I didn't, I never had a problem with food in case of amount and quality.
I expanded session time above 2 hours to even 3-5 hours a day. In my 10th week I made 72 hours session, 3 days non stop, day and night.
Then I made a few days break and come back to 2-3 hours session but switched from 4 cycles to 10 cycles. That makes transfection much lower so I was able to eat and drink even during the session.
In case of sleeping and easiness of getting up early I realized that it is working better for me 2-3 sessions by 40 minutes than one big session.
It reminds me Bob's Brain Tuner, Bob said that maximum how you should use BT is 3x40 min a day, and normal is 2x20min., above this time nothing wrong will happen to you but positive effect could be lowered.
What my understanding and intuition says to me is that when you fighting with serious sickness like AIDS, cancer or acute kidney stones like it was in my case it is better to make long sessions, 2 hours and more, apart from that 2x30 min per day its like a serious endorphins kick which changes your mood and allows you to function on a level you would never imagine you could be.
I would recommended this method to everybody. It is life changing. Even one of my strict "right-half brainer" friend, who somehow got inspired by my story, tried this not expecting anything, he was shocked.
He feels good as he never was, wakes up 6.30 right before the alarm clock every day including weekends, no need to sleep longer that 6 hours. The only thing he can say is "this weird placebo works" :)
ok, buzzer give us more info about your devices please ? I saw there are many versions of Beck pulser,and magnetic pulser which one you used ?
I built the device myself based original Bob Beck's schematics from his paper.
I've got pcb schematics from nvtronics forum, attached (I hope kostisf forum member won't mind).
Picture of BE attached.
Colloidal silver also nvtronics, attached.
For magnetic pulser I used this website:
http://www.twotowers.com/beck/beck_emp.html
Ozone generator bought on ebay for about 20 quid or so.
buzer I cannot download documents you posted. Anyway,is that a Beck circuit with 7555 electronic chip ? I know that was also another one with relay . Did you used only one 9V battery to power it ?
Thats true, I also can't download. Lets try again.
No, its based on LM358N
Attaching not working for some reason....
Please garb it from dropbox link:
BE:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/umsfb2sgj3psdcl/Beck%27s%2027V%20Zapper.pdf?dl=0
CS:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yjhu2tmp6vv92ev/COLL.%20SILVER%20GEN.pdf?dl=0