Hello people, I am from Malaysia and sorry if my English is bad. Here's what I need to say.
Perpetual motion machine driven by gravity does exist. I found a very "must work" way how to tap the force of gravity into a circular motion. I found it at about 12 a.m 24th.08.2008, that's about 3 days ago.
I think Bessler did found this key too. Maybe this is the key to his working device. I did a simple energy conservation experiment yesterday and it proves my theory. My design without any doubt will work. I'm not going to tell you guys just yet. Maybe if I win in this competition (get some money >:) then I will tell more about it. I'm telling you guys, there's no true gravity powered device that I have ever seen on the net. The only true gravity powered device and self running which I know of is the Bessler Wheel and he left only clues for us. I've seen some gravity powered devices by some people, but they were always powered a bit by some outside forces. I thought Chas Campbell got it right but in the video he said 25% of the output is put back into the system. That's not true gravity powered device.
On the other hand, I've found it. And I'm not telling you guys just yet. It will change the way you look and design gravity powered devices. It's simple, any craftsman can do it (i'm not a craftsman though). You need to manipulate inertia,torque, change the center of gravity, pure physics. One can design gravity powered devices in many ways using the technique that I found. There are some drawbacks though. It will be loud (because of the weights hitting, but can be improvised maybe using rubber), it surely can not be used in space without gravity (but maybe one can apply my technique to Magnetic powered devices), I'm not sure if it can be used in a moving vehicle especially rough roads because it may effect the internal system.
So far, all of the gravity powered device designs in this forum will not achieve perpetual motion and self sustaining. I can tell just by looking at it. You are missing one piece of the puzzle. I know you want proofs. If you don't want to believe me it's ok. Sceptics are normal. But I will shut their mouth once and for all after I give you the proofs. One thing for sure, Bessler wheel did not violate any known laws of physics.
-regards-
Charles
p.s Can you find the missing piece?
not going to work here sorry. lol :D do you think we are stupid or something? :-\
You sure do reply fast. I've been thinking since last night for this kind of reply. So I am going to make some conditions before sharing it with the world. You will lose nothing under these conditions. If the prize money is not of importance to you then you will lose nothing (only time, of which will be payed fairly) but gain a new concept of gravity manipulation. This is a must work design. What I will gain if it doesn't work is only shame, which I think I will be able to bear.
-regards-
Greetings Perpetual seekers and not forgetting to the sceptics.
OK guys, I will share with the world of what I've found, BUT under these conditions which I have prepared last night.
1. I will be showing you the plans of my "must work" gravity wheel bit by bit (uncomplete). Piece after another until it's a complete beautiful picture.
2. You will need to find the answer to why my wheel should work based on the given pieces. I will give the answer to these arising questions maybe after 1 or 2 days. It's not fun to simply give you the answer at one go. It's like I am the teacher and you are the student. I give you homework and I'll give you the answer after some given time. Of course the teacher already have the answer (teacher too have mistakes sometimes).
3. The prize money be given to me if some of you guys managed to make a gravity powered perpetual motion device with at least 50W using my technique (should I increase the wattage?). Any modified technique based on mine should also be considered as the same as mine therefore I am still the rightful person for the prize. This simply means that I don't need to send a working device to the 3 testers of the world, and will be sufficient if at least 3 people can make a working prototype of the device. This will already break the conditions made by stefan. But as long as I or someone can prove my design works what's the difference? Shouldn't the credit goes to the founder? 3 people = replicateable, and that will be enough to prove it. It should be cheap and I will still be doing it myself too.
4. If the technique is found in any perpetual motion gravity machine patent, then you have the rights to disqualify me (which I think is not going to happen, that's why there's no Bessler Wheel class devices at present time). In addition to that if there exist a patent it should not be something that is patent pending for this year (2008) and above. Maybe someone will try to patent it after I show the plans, I'm avoiding this.
5. Anyone attempting to manufacture and sell this type of device using my technique or modified version of the technique, It will be a great thing if you are willing to give me a small portion of royalties. My poor life will be better then.
6. I deserve to name the Wheel (already have a name).
7. If it is not patented, overunity.com should be responsible to keep it open source. I dont know how but just make it open source and protected. Overunity.com will be given the fullrights to every bit of the technology/concept.
If Stefan and the rest of you guys in this forum agreed to my conditions, then I am willing to share it open sourcely here. If not then maybe the secret will go into another grave again.
I've had interest in free energy devices since almost two years ago that's when I first bought/downloaded free energy plans . We are not rich people. It's just I was so excited about these so called free energy. Again my attempt to free energy was stalled because of no money to do it. Now I think that the plans from fuellessengine.com is not the answer to a real free energy. If you would call Bessler Wheel a free energy then, free energy here we come.
I've been back to this free energy stuff again for almost two weeks now, never in my mind that I might be given this knowledge. I really do think that I hold the key to free energy at the moment. You might be surprised how simple this device is yet none of us has ever thought of it. I got this idea after my first design failed. I tried to improvised it until out of no where this idea came. The first one have two arms with sprocketed pendulum. I think it should work with many arms though. If you want to know about it I'll share . But the second design is way different from the first one and has 100% of chances to go perpetually with extra energy that can be used to power up many other things. That's why I left the first design attempt. Also using the technique the heavier the weights / the greater the diamater then the greater the output will be, but I think there will be maximum weights that can be handled/used by a designed system. Here I promise you an easy replicable device that must work (if you are following my advice).
To the sceptics, no I just found this idea, it's impossible for me to build it in just 3 days of finding. Since I dont have money it will take some time for me to finish it. But if you all agreed to my conditions this will be a fast growing thing. Much room to grow. I pretty much have improved the design in 2 days, it won't be too energy wasting compared to the previous design. Best of all it will be open source. Yes it's too early to proclaim it like this, well if it doesn't work you will lose nothing (only time I guess but it will be payed fairly) and new concept will be gained. It is afterall a new concept I think. Well maybe it's ancient concept (just a thought).
OK guys. Hope you'll agree with my conditions and if all work well, we'll have a new generation of Bessler Wheel. I forgot to tell you that I already have a name for this wheel and I'll only tell you after all of you agreed to the conditions. What are you going to lose?
-regards-
Charles
p.s The conditions are not final and negotiable only with stefan (cause he has the prize money :P). I wonder how much $$ will a working Bessler Wheel secret be at present time?
An update. I got a personal message telling me to send the plan into his server. And giving me some warnings that some bad people will try to stop me from telling you what ever my free energy plan is. Probably some of you guys got this to. What do you think? Is he trying to get my plan just like that?
do you think this a game?
how much longer should we suffer?
don't you get it?! wake up.
Quote from: FreeEnergy on February 28, 2008, 05:34:03 AM
do you think this a game?
how much longer should we suffer?
don't you get it?! wake up.
FINE
I'll be back only when I have the evidence. see ya scepticals.
Hi gurangax,
well,
the Prize money was defined by
delivering at least 3 x 50 Watts units for testing.
So maybe you have another idea, how to split the money,
if you really have found a way how to easily tap gravity ?
Should we split it with the first builder, who delivers 3 units and you ?
Or with the first 3 builder persons and you ?
What parts of the prize money should the builders get and what part should the inventor get ?
This is a hard decision to make.
Surely money would only be paid, after the testing has taken
place and the design is verified, not before.
So if you can not convince anybody to build your ideas,
there would also be no money being paid, as there are no devices
to look at.
So ALL, please let me know your view about this.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
good day all
gurangax,
i agree of all what you said about gravity powered device and perpetual motion , but i don't believe that you understand what you have , if it's true
so i think that maybe you have a smallÃ, part of the theory or designs put not complete ,
maybe you know how to rotate this wheel at vertical position put can't rotat it at horizontal position which is powerful.
also , if you catch the design of perpetual motion and ask any scientist or engineer , he must advice you to get patent first or record it at any local university before posting it.
ok the secret of any working perpetual motion not only the gravity is lay at the lock key which has a big jobs of theÃ, unbalance wheel !!!!!!!!!!!!! if you know it.
i will post the complete theory and desgin as soon as i can , maybe in April or May .
for all reader
what is GURAGAX said is right and true and very very very simple .put we can't use it for car no way for that , and in other hand we can use it as a source of energy to recharge the electric car or battery becuase the size of that kind of wheel is too big for car
sorry for bad language.
have a nice time
Many of us had a working theory and when we built it we noticed our own mistakes.
You either have something working or you have not.
If you have, spread your findings quickly and stealthly as fast as you can and make sure your information is complete.
If your information is incomplete then you will be thought of as a scam and we spot them now pretty quickly.
You will come to more money than you can imagine and not from a person or a web site.
AM
Hi Gurangax ,
Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 12:33:16 AM
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I found it at about 12 a.m 24th.08.2008, that's about 3 days ago.
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????
What do you exactly mean? Location date, hour?
Could you be more precise? 08 2008 ?
As your claim is very unusual and as you seem to point out an accurate time/date, it deserves and suggests unusual investigations : Hourly astrology for example.
Best
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
I attached here the uncomplete piece of the thing. then I would like interested guys to tell me what's the problem with it and try to figure out what is the equilibrium position for the weights and wheel gonna be. Give some feedback. And I will respond in not more than 3 days.
So here goes nothing
Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
You have a lot to learn my boy !
Hans von Lieven
How do you remove the counter acting weight and
put it in higher again ?
QuoteSO do you see any method here to remove the weights away from the countering zone?
Well, the only thing I know is to CONSERVE the energy of the downmotion
ofthe weights inside springs and thus shift the lever arms to one
side of the wheel, so the wheel is rotating and
then retract the weights via the spring and begin the next cycle again.
This way you can earn gravitational energy without the weights ever go down.
The potential energy is stored inside the springs and when
they pull the weights back you can move the weights again there,
where you need them to start a new cycle to shift the leverage to
unbalance the wheel again.
But this process needs very synchronized motion of the weights
and the springs and the right wheel RPM
or you need to use locks for the springs,
so they compress and expand at the right moments, so you
need a mechnical control for it, which is not easy to build.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Have again a look at this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1213.0.html
If I ever get the time to work further on this to find the
right ratio of spring constant, wheel weight, wheel RPM
and ball weight this thing will accelerate to destruction !
Maybe someone else with a WorkingModel 2D installation can try this ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.
So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.
-regards-
p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 29, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
You have a lot to learn my boy !
Hans von Lieven
Thank you. Can you teach me?
Quote from: gurangax on February 29, 2008, 04:57:45 AM
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.
So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.
-regards-
p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here
Hi gurangax,
energy conservation ?
I can only imagine conservation of the conversion of kinetic energy ( movement of the weights)
into potential energy ( stored spring energy) and pulling the weights back up.
When you told us,
you want to get a weight out of`the wheel when it is down,
how do you get it up again afterwards ?
Do you split the weights up into smaller parts and move them up in smaller weight pieces but more in
the same time ?
Or how should this work ?
Regards, Stefan.
Hi gurangax,
nice three-ball-design (your .doc).
in this stage, it will not work, as you also mentioned. You are invited to tell us your ideas. i am interested. So what are the "few techniques how to make this wheel unbalanced" ?
As i see, you read the Chas Campell thread. More at the end of this thread, he tried this snookers wheel. he takes out a ball and wants to carry it up the other side by setting it more inside rolling over a ramp. obviously you read this thread. we already discussed it in detail and it will not work this way. this snookers wheel is not his first wheel, which works in my opinion. but he is not sharing it. this gives you the chance to put in your competence.
Do you have a working modell already or do you have seen one somewhere in your country?
Kind regards,
Johannes
Gurangax,
The only idea that come in my mind to make the well work is the ball that go up must be as near as possible on the shaft while the other ball that come down need to be at the radius position. But I have no idea how you can do it without balancing the wheel!
Please tell us what you have found.
Quote from: gurangax on February 29, 2008, 05:13:56 AM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 29, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
You have a lot to learn my boy !
Hans von Lieven
Thank you. Can you teach me?
http://keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
Anyone care to post the Images here? As when I try to open the file, i get an
"unable to load graphics conversion filter". (wordpad 5.1) What would cause this?
Any way to fix it?
Thanks
nevermind. got it now. m$ sucks.
Quote from: Joh70 on February 29, 2008, 06:20:14 PM
Hi gurangax,
nice three-ball-design (your .doc).
in this stage, it will not work, as you also mentioned. You are invited to tell us your ideas. i am interested. So what are the "few techniques how to make this wheel unbalanced" ?
As i see, you read the Chas Campell thread. More at the end of this thread, he tried this snookers wheel. he takes out a ball and wants to carry it up the other side by setting it more inside rolling over a ramp. obviously you read this thread. we already discussed it in detail and it will not work this way. this snookers wheel is not his first wheel, which works in my opinion. but he is not sharing it. this gives you the chance to put in your competence.
Do you have a working modell already or do you have seen one somewhere in your country?
Kind regards,
Johannes
Hi
sorry I didn't read all of his thread as I am very new to this forum. Care to tell me what exactly the setup that you mention. link me to the thread. I'll look into it if there is anything that resembles my idea.
p.s I do think my design is a must work. Since all of you guys seems not to know how this is possible then maybe I am the only one in this forum who knows. Time will tell.
-regards-
-edit-
It is not a ball. It's a cylindrical weight. But you can also use a spherical weight. I dont think there is any perpetual devices in my country. I am about the only person in the country who have interest in this area of stuff. I've never seen it or ever made it. It's just a must work theory which I found.
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Quote from: gurangax on February 29, 2008, 05:13:56 AM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 29, 2008, 12:08:36 AM
Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
You have a lot to learn my boy !
Hans von Lieven
Thank you. Can you teach me?
http://keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
hi
the link is dead, but I think I've been there before. Sorry for bothering you
Quote from: TheOne on February 29, 2008, 06:59:54 PM
Gurangax,
The only idea that come in my mind to make the well work is the ball that go up must be as near as possible on the shaft while the other ball that come down need to be at the radius position. But I have no idea how you can do it without balancing the wheel!
Please tell us what you have found.
Hi
nice try but not the best answer.
Quote from: P_M on February 29, 2008, 06:51:33 PM
the wheel stops, only this do not moan of the grandpa!
a quiet grandpa and a shifting wheel would be better!
"working model" is a programme, themselves he does not have this ...
joh, Malaysia ist sehr weit, schau die lieber die deutschen sachen an.
hi
If you have the time and are interested, It will be a good thing if you will model an animation of my supposed to work device after I gave the solution. Many thanks
Quote from: hartiberlin on February 29, 2008, 05:53:07 AM
Quote from: gurangax on February 29, 2008, 04:57:45 AM
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.
So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.
-regards-
p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here
Hi gurangax,
energy conservation ?
I can only imagine conservation of the conversion of kinetic energy ( movement of the weights)
into potential energy ( stored spring energy) and pulling the weights back up.
When you told us,
you want to get a weight out of`the wheel when it is down,
how do you get it up again afterwards ?
Do you split the weights up into smaller parts and move them up in smaller weight pieces but more in
the same time ?
Or how should this work ?
Regards, Stefan.
hi stefan
It will work as I have told you. You can explain it with standard physics. And I don't like the idea of splitting it up. I told a friend of yours about this. so I think he will tell you what I told him. Like I told you it is VERY simple.
Thanks a lot.
p.s The answer will be revealed soon. But first I need to check something else
Hi Gurangax,
when will you reveal it ?
Are you somehow modifying your cylinder-masses on each side of the wheel ?
Please tell us now, how it should work. If it is not too complicated we can try to model it in
Working Model 2D simulation software and can check it, if it really will work.
If it will work, we will make sure, that you as the inventor will be soon famous and can make a lot of money by being famous.
So dont wait and post your ideas. What are you waiting for ?
Many thanks, regards, Stefan.
Gurangax.
What happen if you have an accident or something... then the only "posibly" correct working model will be lost?
Everybody is interested, please don't make humanity wait.
I will only claim something and talk about secrets and getting money, when i have a self-running prototype for sure!!!
Otherwise I would be quiet or would discuss it on a realistic way.
So please discuss it here and we proof your ideas. Otherwise build a model by your own hands and tell us if you were successfull.
If both is unacceptable for you, at least save our time. Thank you.
Good luck!
@P_M: Falls Du ein P_M hast, dann bring es auf den Markt. Andernfalls m?ssen wir halt Malaysia bem?hen. Vielleicht haben die das Geld n?tiger.
The Snookers wheel-idea from Chas Campell was discussed somewhere here++. But it will NOT work. There are also Videos and Drawings.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.345.html
I saw where someone applied for a patent (years ago) for a wheel that used cylinder magnets that moved within the wheel and (outside the wheel) repelling magnets to lift/move or create an overbalance to the wheel. I never saw a working model or video. But the idea looked cool. Maybe this is what is being proposed to make the wheel overbalanced? Good luck.
Bill
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Quote from: gurangax on February 28, 2008, 11:57:49 PM
Greetings to all.
Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.
You have a lot to learn my boy !
Hans von Lieven
Thank you. Can you teach me?
http://keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
hi
the link is dead, but I think I've been there before. Sorry for bothering you
Something must have gone wrong your end, the link is very much alive
Hans
Quote from: hansvonlieven on February 29, 2008, 08:29:27 PM
http://keelytech.com
Hans von Lieven
Thanks sounds interesting. So, was Keely able to put a steel tube into self-sustaining resonance that was emanating acoustic waves and at the same time disintegrating that tube? Should be working like a tsunami wave that builds out of nowhere in the ocean. As you know, this wave is self-sustaining. But what's more important, it is sustained by smaller RANDOM waves that surround it (ocean is never calm). Probably, random (heat) movement of particles can be also used to support the self-sustaining resonance of the tube. Sounds like a break-through.
I'm as a bit of self-educated acoustician myself can envision that this tube is able to tap energy from random mechanical high-frequency oscillations into lower frequency oscillations - probably in a constant fashion. It is actually working as an acoustic frequency shifter (reduction gear would be a mechanical example) with a multi-octave arrangement. Even though, heat movement of atoms is considered to be random (white noise) due to geometrical structure of the matter it may exhibit acoustical modes that can be shifted to a lower octave. Beside that the white noise itself can be at first band-passed in a resonator and then fed into a frequency-shifter. Then shifted to even lower octave, etc. The heat movement of atoms is ever-running, and so the sound-generation can be made continuous.
On the other hand if that feat is possible, what is matter if not acoustic waves?
Good man aleks,
Keep thinking along those lines. Keely was miles ahead of us as far as acoustics are concerned. Good luck with your research
Hans von Lieven
Sorry guys
I don't have internet connection at home and I go to the town to have it. I read a few of chas campbell snooker wheel thread and since it will take quite some time for me to understand all of your points there, I'll just copy them and read it after I go back home. I have not seen the video yet and I am downloading it at the moment. In the mean time, If you guys found out how to solve my wheel problem don't hesistate to send it here.
-regards-
p.s I'm still unfinished writing my supposed to work explanation.
Quote from: P_M on March 01, 2008, 08:44:28 AM
QuoteIf you have the time and are interested, It will be a good thing if you will model an animation of my supposed to work device after I gave the solution. Many thanks
it always develops something other me interestedly in the area of energy.
I already have a model this works, so I do not have to look any more for the solution.
you do not know either whether your solution works, since you have not built any model still.
nevertheless good turn out well.
Well I'm curious to. What is the name of your perpetual motion device. And have you guys disccussed it here yet. also are you willing to send me the video of it?
thanks
Well Well Well,
Those two have found each other. I hope they will be happy together and keep telling us how clever they are and how stupid we all are by contrast.
This sort of stuff gives me the shits.
Hans von Lieven
Hi guranga, P_M has not offered any video or fotos. So his "supposed to work" wheel was not discussed here in the forum. He is still waiting for commitment thru patent office, maybe. For a long time now...
sorry to keep you waiting. I know that you are eager to know how my supposed to work device should work. so without further delay here it is. You may use it for what ever pleasure you want with it. Maybe you already know about this stuff but I found this myself without anyones help.
-regards-
Hi gurangax,
THANKS for your Document. You spend a lot of time to think over.
Unfortunately i am not convinced.
The wheel turns, when parking a ball. But only half a revolution. Then how should a ramp like yours lift a ball back up again??? I cannot see that.
The idea of using a ramp was comming often, for example from P_M last week. Have a look at the following thread:
"Bessler Build"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3925.0.html
Designs which use a ramp (means friction) as main principle will not work.
Also the combinations with any other stuff like External-Ball-Holder or SMOT somewhere, is an unfinished invention.
Thats the reason, why somebody should proof their ideas by building a model, before cause attraction to it. This, and only this, teaches the inventor. No other way to success.
Hi gurangax
I Like your Design.Thanks vor sharing this unshaped diamond.
It makes everyone thinking,that the continuisly imbalance is created.
But by a natural law it will find a balance somehow,somewere.
Ones, i had a promising idea in mind
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3241.0.html
And from my own experience i can tell you,that you have to build a model to learn from nature.
Just as Johann states.
helmut
Quote from: gurangax on March 02, 2008, 06:41:19 AM
sorry to keep you waiting. I know that you are eager to know how my supposed to work device should work. so without further delay here it is. You may use it for what ever pleasure you want with it. Maybe you already know about this stuff but I found this myself without anyones help.
-regards-
How can it help to merely hold the weight? You actually have to lift the weight to get it back up to the top in order to insure that the wheel will keep running. Maybe I am missing something.
@ PM,
Habe nicht gesagt was Du da hast ist Mist. Kann ich doch garnicht weil ich nicht weiss was Du machst.
Der Mist ist uns zu erzaehlen Du hast die Loesung gefunden und dann nichts veroeffentlichen, nur damit prahlen.
Das kann Jeder.
Hans von Lieven
@ PM
I never said what you have there is rubbish. I cannot do this since I don't know what you have done.
Where the rubbish comes in is in telling us you have found the solution and not tell us anything about it apart from bragging.
Anyone can do that.
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 01, 2008, 09:03:59 PM
Good man aleks,
Keep thinking along those lines. Keely was miles ahead of us as far as acoustics are concerned. Good luck with your research
Thanks. Well, the tube is not necessarily driven by random (heat) movements of atoms. As we know, atoms themselves have orbits where electrons reside and rotate. This can also be considered a random movement since electrons of any two given atoms do not have to be in sync. In that case it must be possible to create some 'microstructure' that resonates to a sum of such movements: it may be an electrostatic resonance (like a membrane in an electrostatic loudspeaker) - also, it's a known fact that diode-based fullwave rectifier with a couple of capacitances can produce a DC voltage from random voltage oscillations - they just need to be greater than ambient heat noise. Then this resonance - after leaving the atom scale - can be fed to ultrasonic resonators and then down to audible range in the same 'reduction gear' fashion I've mentioned already.
Moreover, I've remembered some research I've read about which dealt with "electric-acoustic" bridge and various phenomemons that surround it. Simply put, ultrasonic acoustic waves affect electric behavior of matter and likewise electric fields cause ultrasonic acoustic waves within matter. So, Keely's findings (even if just in the form of rumors) and some of the modern research are in concordance to some degree - so somebody will be able to replicate his device sooner or later. It is indeed interesting because if such 'energy source' possible, it should possible to create matter we need by reversing the function.
I know that this is what probably you will think. I did not give the full answer. Look again with 6 arms/6 weights. the arms and weights should be in multiplies of 3. ie 3,6,9,12... etc.
-regards-
Quote from: shruggedatlas on March 02, 2008, 11:09:30 AM
Quote from: gurangax on March 02, 2008, 06:41:19 AM
sorry to keep you waiting. I know that you are eager to know how my supposed to work device should work. so without further delay here it is. You may use it for what ever pleasure you want with it. Maybe you already know about this stuff but I found this myself without anyones help.
-regards-
How can it help to merely hold the weight? You actually have to lift the weight to get it back up to the top in order to insure that the wheel will keep running. Maybe I am missing something.
you miss it. look again, I answered this in the second method. You also need to see how the weight holder is designed.
Quote from: Joh70 on March 02, 2008, 07:27:02 AM
Hi gurangax,
THANKS for your Document. You spend a lot of time to think over.
Unfortunately i am not convinced.
The wheel turns, when parking a ball. But only half a revolution. Then how should a ramp like yours lift a ball back up again??? I cannot see that.
The idea of using a ramp was comming often, for example from P_M last week. Have a look at the following thread:
"Bessler Build"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3925.0.html
Designs which use a ramp (means friction) as main principle will not work.
Also the combinations with any other stuff like External-Ball-Holder or SMOT somewhere, is an unfinished invention.
Thats the reason, why somebody should proof their ideas by building a model, before cause attraction to it. This, and only this, teaches the inventor. No other way to success.
Thank you.
Hi gurangax,
thanks for posting your DOC file,
but it is very confusing to me.
First you should state, that the wheel
is supposed to turn counter clockwise and
not clockwise, as I am used to see these wheels..
Also the DOC file loads and displays differently in
Word and OppenOffice, so it is best to post a PDF file.
2. Your idea with the weight holder is a bit confusing to me
as I don?t yet see, how you will release again the stored weight
and when and how it will go up then again ?
Maybe it would be best to draw up a GIF animation and post this.
Okay, this would take some time to draw it up
and then convert the single pics to a GIF animation,
but this way it would get much better clear, what you mean
and one could easily see, if the weights are right positioned, so the
wheel could keep turning on and on.
3. The idea with the additional SMOT ramp would mean
another input from the magnetic ramps, so it is not
only anymore a pure gravity wheel, what you wanted to present.
But okay, if it only would work with the right SMOT ramp inside it,
then you have to include it in your animation.
Well, so please maybe post an update
with an animation, so it is getting better clear how
the stored weight is going up again.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Ok, this is what i was thinking. This model is from other people but it's the same concept i had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRzVHLs4bU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRzVHLs4bU)
To solve the tendency of the magnets to flip, i taugh the way that toy (i can't remember it's name) that make things to float was done.
Also this gave me some ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related)
This is the most promising as i can see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGh64Eo8yk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGh64Eo8yk&feature=related)
Then i found this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related)
I see that the ball goes up so strong, that with a sloted route in the wheel, it also can help it to spin, and use all the force of the ball at the end to release it.
Quote from: Scorpile on March 03, 2008, 01:35:44 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related)
On this one, just an idea. First of all, make it a bit bigger radius ring and make sure it elevates a bit. It should look like a paper ring that was cut with scissors with one end lifted a bit against the other. This should work I guess. The problem will still be about "escaping" the last V magnet segment. This can probably resolved using a pretty simple trick. You may arrange a simple mechanical lever that - when "flying magnet" strikes - pulls a magnetic shielding foil under the flying magnet. This should help to use the velocity of the flying magnet to escape the last V stage, and probably should help it to land on the start of the ring. During landing another mechanical lever can be used to pull the foil back.
In order to extract usable energy out of this device you have to add an axis in the center of the ring attached to a small generator. This axis should be connected with the flying magnet. Generator should be small enough so that it does not stop the magnet from flying. You may connect the generator to a LED.
Just an idea - not sure it will work. (one bit that worries me is that when magnetic shielding foil is pulled under the flying magnet, the flying magnet will be trying to get back. The only hope it has enough velocity when it strikes the lever). On the other hand, you may try to make a more 'clever' mechanism that pulls two blades of shielding foil from both sides, with blades being triangular so that the flying magnet slides into the correct side. Of course, the segment where this happens should be at least horizontal or the magnet will fall back from the elevation into the wrong side.
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 03, 2008, 08:54:18 AM
Hi gurangax,
thanks for posting your DOC file,
but it is very confusing to me.
First you should state, that the wheel
is supposed to turn counter clockwise and
not clockwise, as I am used to see these wheels..
Also the DOC file loads and displays differently in
Word and OppenOffice, so it is best to post a PDF file.
2. Your idea with the weight holder is a bit confusing to me
as I don?t yet see, how you will release again the stored weight
and when and how it will go up then again ?
Maybe it would be best to draw up a GIF animation and post this.
Okay, this would take some time to draw it up
and then convert the single pics to a GIF animation,
but this way it would get much better clear, what you mean
and one could easily see, if the weights are right positioned, so the
wheel could keep turning on and on.
3. The idea with the additional SMOT ramp would mean
another input from the magnetic ramps, so it is not
only anymore a pure gravity wheel, what you wanted to present.
But okay, if it only would work with the right SMOT ramp inside it,
then you have to include it in your animation.
Well, so please maybe post an update
with an animation, so it is getting better clear how
the stored weight is going up again.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
Ok stefan, I'll try do some animation. using the design in my doc it should rotate anti clockwise. What I mean there is that it can also be designed to turn clockwise. Using a SMOT device is not necessary but it will help the weight to climb the ramp faster.
Also I just found the third method which would not use a ramp, but I am still perfecting it and it will be much more promising. (Afterall this whole idea is still new to me).
-regards-
p.s the secret why we still can not achieve perpetual motion with gravity wheel system is that because of we tend to attach the weight to the system when regauging.
Quote from: Scorpile on March 03, 2008, 02:35:45 PM
Then i found this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related)
I see that the ball goes up so strong, that with a sloted route in the wheel, it also can help it to spin, and use all the force of the ball at the end to release it.
Thanks. That's probably a SMOT ramp. And it can help in my design.
-regards-
Greetings perpetual seekers
Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks
-regards-
Charles
p.s My gravity wheel theory won't end here.
Quote from: gurangax on March 07, 2008, 12:08:25 AM
Greetings perpetual seekers
Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks
Hi Charles
Looking forward to the next Doc and tell you what I will have a go at building it, if the wheel does not have to be too big, looks simple enough.
What size were you thinking?
Cheers
Sean.
Quote from: gurangax on March 07, 2008, 12:08:25 AM
Greetings perpetual seekers
Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks
-regards-
Charles
p.s My gravity wheel theory won't end here.
Hi Charles
This sounds to good to be thrue
Cant wait to see the plans.
helmut
@gurangax
I have been working along the lines you have indicated but there is much more to it then you are saying.
Here is my version 1.0.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3070.msg45101.html#msg45101
I will be making my version 2 in the month of April because I have too many projects right now. But in general, material choice, weight size, etc., are things to consider as well as making at least three things happen at the same time to keep the wheel off balance.
The only reason the wheel currently does not turn in my view is the wheel itself is too heavy and the version 2 will be made in 1" thick plastic and the balls will be 1" diameter instead of the 3/4" diameter. This will impart more weight movement to wheel weight ratio that is critical.
Wheel balance itself is prime without the weights.
But to clarify one point you said in your first post of money, you will get no money for this because it will never produce 50 watts, or 1 watt. Such wheels are working on an off balance that is sooooooooo slight that there will never be any torque available to make 50 watts, measured on an actual drag creating load.
I was hoping you had something so incredible (as you were touting it) that even the aliens around the universe would come here to learn, but unfortunately, there is nothing in what you have shown that can qualify in any way to winning the OU prize.
All the best.
Greetings all.
You can think what you must think. I know how my design works. I had experience building a non working one before. This I understand. So without further delay. I present you my masterpiece. I've look into your design wattsup, that won't work. that's using 1 axis and get power from the wheel it self. it won't work like that.
-regards-
p.s why limit the post size to 50K??
sorry guys, I'm in a hurry need to go somewhere else. My file is bigger than 50K and can not post it here. I'll send it when I've reduced the file.
Quote from: CLaNZeR on March 07, 2008, 01:27:49 PM
Quote from: gurangax on March 07, 2008, 12:08:25 AM
Greetings perpetual seekers
Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks
Hi Charles
Looking forward to the next Doc and tell you what I will have a go at building it, if the wheel does not have to be too big, looks simple enough.
What size were you thinking?
Cheers
Sean.
Theoretically any size can be built, but you will have to scale it up/down to an to a suitable condition.
-regards-
p.s Well I think it's simple enough for me.
Greetings all
Since I can't reduce the file I'll just make 4 zipped files in 4 post. So this would be the first part
This is the 2nd part
This is the 3rd part
This is the last part.
-regards-
Charles
@gurangax
Thanks for your document which I have reviewed. After review, I still do not see this working regardless of chains on the weights attached at the axle, with levers or sliders. All of these will consume energy through friction. This energy is not available from the left side even if the left top ball is farthest out, it is not enough.
The main flaw in the design is by turning counterclockwise, there will always have at one time or another two balls on the right side of the working center line, and this alone will kill it. Trying to lift the weight will create more countering.
I encourage others to first make drawings showing the wheel at ever 2 degrees, placing the weights in their respective positions and calculating if at each 2 degree there is always an imbalance favoring the direction of rotation. If there is one of the 2 degrees that does not favor this, then this single point will slowly eat away at the momentum until it stops.
But in all these designs, the inventor will see things that others will not and only when you have made your design will you realize it. So I do encourage you to make the wheel and see for yourself. This IS the best way to learn.
However, your indication of 3, 6, 9 is interesting and deserves some study, simply for the use of odd numbers in motion. I will look into it in my design and if it passes the 2 degree test, I could consider it.
All the best.
Quote from: wattsup on March 08, 2008, 11:40:44 AM
@gurangax
Thanks for your document which I have reviewed. After review, I still do not see this working regardless of chains on the weights attached at the axle, with levers or sliders. All of these will consume energy through friction. This energy is not available from the left side even if the left top ball is farthest out, it is not enough.
The main flaw in the design is by turning counterclockwise, there will always have at one time or another two balls on the right side of the working center line, and this alone will kill it. Trying to lift the weight will create more countering.
I encourage others to first make drawings showing the wheel at ever 2 degrees, placing the weights in their respective positions and calculating if at each 2 degree there is always an imbalance favoring the direction of rotation. If there is one of the 2 degrees that does not favor this, then this single point will slowly eat away at the momentum until it stops.
But in all these designs, the inventor will see things that others will not and only when you have made your design will you realize it. So I do encourage you to make the wheel and see for yourself. This IS the best way to learn.
However, your indication of 3, 6, 9 is interesting and deserves some study, simply for the use of odd numbers in motion. I will look into it in my design and if it passes the 2 degree test, I could consider it.
All the best.
Hi wattsup
I'll prove the device works as stated. (do you know how torque works??)
-regards-
p.s see ya all in a maximum of 4 months (after I build the device).
It sounds promising to me, cause the ball in the outer diameter should offer more torque than rotating the chain to pull up the weight in the inner diameter, plus transfering the weight to that inner circle at that point.
I should add, that you could use a ramp of magnets at bottom in repulsion with the weight to help the center lift up the weight with less torque.
Well... for me it sounds good and maybe could work... you don't need 4 months to build this, just use wood and you'll have your basig setup probably in 2 days. It should show you if your idea is possible or not, before building a better one.
I also think this will work... nice invention there gurangax. :)
Nothing is impossible - Christopher Reeve
Greetings perpetual seekers
Just to inform you guys that my previous design doesn't work. To be specific, the top weight will not have enough torque to lift the weight at the bottom right. The weight on the bottom left was enough to lift the weight at the top though. And after a month of doing nothing, I finally get my hands on this field again and I found some interesting approach as how to move the weight at the top to the left side. It is still new to me thanks to some pages in this forum which leads me to the MT drawings.
I can post it here if you guys are interested.
-regards-
Charles