I thought I would start this thread to put all my ideas in so I will quit disrupting everyones elses theads.
I will start out with this next concept.
Watch this video and pay close attention to the coil and magnet set up and how it works. The magnet vibrates back and fourth in the coils and produces power. Now take a couple thousand of these linked together and mount them to the top and bottom of 4x8 sheets of plywood that are attached together. Now find something to vibrate those sheets of plywood. You will find that you are producing more power then the power used to create the vibration. You would get better results using other materials other then plywood but I am not sure which would be best so I just said plywood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ0v-CK63-4
The next picture would show the basics of a way to build the coil and magnet set ups as well as how a speaker could be used. There are hundreds of ways to utilize just this one concept. Stay tuned because the best is yet to come.
Just for those who want to know how much power a wind belt puts out, it was said to produce about 4.5 volts. This next video explains a bit more about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mecU7S2xoJc
I am having problems with circuitry as well as with coil windings. Does anyone have a link to any sites that I could learn about these things from.
One thing I need is something to stop a current from coming back. When a magnet moves on way in a coil, it pushes the current that way, but when it moves back the other way, it seams to draw that current that was just created, back.
I found that using a vibrant vibrating coil works better then a speaker. Back massager, foot massager and even a sex toy's vibration set up will work.
Put any of them on a surface and see how the whole surface will vibrate and then lay magnets on is and see how they will vibrate. I am finding that the coil windings are the real trick as well as the circuitry. I am not educated with either and that is my hold up.
Rectifiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectifier)
This same sort of situation is used to power Faraday Flashlights (http://www.faradayflashlight.com/)
AKA The Shakable Flashlight (http://www.flashlightcenter.com/info/learning.htm)
Quote from: nightlife on March 07, 2008, 07:29:40 PM
I found that using a vibrant vibrating coil works better then a speaker. Back massager, foot massager and even a toy's vibration set up will work.
Put any of them on a surface and see how the whole surface will vibrate and then lay magnets on is and see how they will vibrate. I am finding that the coil windings are the real trick as well as the circuitry. I am not educated with either and that is my hold up.
You, sir, are me in another body...
-Uneducated... but still giving this a shot........
Formula1, well at least now I dont feel like I am alone. LOL
I am going to Walmart to see if I can buy a few of those lights just so I can take them apart and try to use the parts they use.
I post what I find.
I posted my test results of the flashlight at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4241.0.html
It is not very efficient compared to what the wind belt is said to be. I have found good results with using a vibrating coil but I am not 100% sure because I don?t have the circuitry that is needed to get a more positive result. I now have the flashlight and I will try and utilize it for my needs as well as for upscale modification to my design provided the flashlights circuitry will hold up to what I believe will be more power..
Based on the results of the flashlight, it would have to be multiplied by 40 times it size to get 130volts at 7.2 amps. That means it would have to take a magnet 5ft X 7.78ft
With the wind belt, it would have to take 30 times it magnet size, provided it has a output of 4.5 volts and assuming it has at least .18 amps of the 4.5 volts, to produce 135 volts at 5.4 amps. That would mean the magnet would have to be about 1.25ft X 2.5ft.
That is a very large difference in efficiency making the wind belt set up a much better design provided it puts out what it is said to put out and if my assumption of the amps are right.
It would take much less power to vibrate a magnet that is 1.25ft X 2.5ft then it would to move a magnet that is 5ft X 7.78ft.
Another thing is that the size of area needed for the actions to take place. The wind belts action area is very small compared to the flashlights action area.
Hi nightlife
many mobile phones have energy efficient vibrator's inside
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Quote from: nightlife on March 08, 2008, 10:13:25 AM
Another thing is that the size of area needed for the actions to take place. The wind belts action area is very small compared to the flashlights action area.
I don't think that you necessarilly need to increase the magnet size, unless you are trying to make the magnet move faster (since it will increase magnetic accelleration). Simply making the coil size might do the trick since the coils are the only thing that generates the electricity.
Also, this might not be true but, in my opinion the capacitor releases a controlled amount of electricity over time...
-Thus even if you charge it a rediculous amount, that capacitor is not going to change the output.
--In order to make sure your experiment creates more electricity you may have to either
1) Find a new capacitor
2) do it without the capacitor (But the generator will not produce a
constant amount of electricity. it will go up in short bursts... since the generator works in short bursts....
I'd like to inform you about the secondary aspect of your invention that, in my opinion, makes your generator far superior to that of the wind belt generator.
-It doesn't need wind.
Thus completely independent of any need for importing power which will be much more usefull in the long run since it supplies a constant amount of energy without worrying about windspeed or anything else.
-So even if a car gets more power by the wind that goes into it... to start up the car, they need your engine to be 100% fuel efficient... or a battery.......... <.<
A better rectifier then inside the flashlight (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062583&cp=&sr=1&origkw=Rectifiers&kw=rectifiers&parentPage=search)
My suggestion is head to radioshack, they supply a lot of easy to use rectifiers that have good symbols so that anyone that knows the difference between AC and DC... or even knows the difference between a circuit that changes polarity and wants a definite (+) and (-) can utilize them...
Good luck with your project. I hope it works out.
Do you have a videocamera? I'd like to see this work
powercat, I was thinking the same thing but I have been hesitant of taking one a part yet to see. I need to find a one that is no good before I feel good about taking one a part.
Formula1, I don?t like the radio shack here because it is in the mall and I hate people. LOL
I have to know exactly what I want before I go, otherwise I will end up with a bag full of things I do not need.
ebay has broken mobile phones
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powercat, thank you but I got to playing with mine and I see that it vibrates in all directions and I need something that vibrates back and fourth in one direction like a jigsaw but it has to use a battery no larger then a AA. I would prefer to find something that used only a AAA or less. Any other suggestions would be well appreciated.
sonic toothbrush
These battery powered teeth scrubbers move their heads back and forth up to 7000 ... The whole brush head vibrates?and this can make sonic toothbrushes
The head from a sonic toothbrush (seen in the lower part of the photo) is just like an ordinary manual toothbrush. Unlike a standard electric toothbrush, it doesn't contain a rotating mechanism. The whole brush head vibrates
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/electrictoothbrush.html (http://www.explainthatstuff.com/electrictoothbrush.html)
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powercat, thank you. That sounds like a perfect solution. Good thinking.
I am off to get one.
I was up all night trying to post a video and for some reason, I can't do it. Why not? The footage is from my digital camera, is that why not?
I went to RadioShack and bought some coil winding and a capacitor, I have some diodes here some where but I couldn't find them last night.
My daughter had a old battery powered toothbrush that uses two AAA battery?s. Dora the explorer. "LOL" I tested the battery?s as they are used and they were kind of dead at 2.5 volts together but they had .59 amps. I took the toothbrush apart and found it to be like the one powercat gave me a link to.
It has long rod that moves back and fourth so I broke the top off where the brush is and I attached the large neo from the flashlight to it. I then slid the set up back in the flash light and turned it on. It powered the flashlight but only when it was pushed up in to it as far as it would go. When I shook it by hand it charged to 3.25 then I tested it after I left the light on and drained all the power, which took about two hours, and when I used the toothbrush, it charged to 3.5.
I believe that the way the coils are wound in the flashlight, is the same way I need to wind the new coils but not so long and the coils top end windings have to face each other. In the flashlight, the top end windings are attached to the positive side.
I have no doubt that this will work with the new windings and design have figured out. It worked in the flashlight and I was only able to utilize a small portion of one of the coils it has. It has to at least double it's output using two coils that are better matched for the action.
So far, so good. I will take the board out of the flash light today and replace the capacitor with a larger one I bought last night and attach new coils to the board as well.
I will try and post a video again latter. If anyone has any suggestions on how I can post a video, please post them.
video
did you see this http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4207.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4207.0.html)
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This was about a waste of time. I can get good voltage but not much for amps. The voltage produced doesn't make up for the voltage used. The wind belt must not put out much for amps.
I am going back to my crystal radio design for producing power.
One thing I found is that the toothbrush did not have a long enough throw action and it would only work when the magnet was bounced by the throw instead of being attached to the throw.
Now I am going back to my plans of using a crystal radio to produce a magnetic field that can be used to help get passed magnetic gates that motors like the bedini designs face as well as magnetic perpetual motion motors face.
The power that the radio puts out to a voice coil is actually used to produce a magnetic field that interacts with the magnet the voice coil surrounds. It takes no power source for a crystal radio to work and we shouldn't even need a station, static should be all that is needed to create a magnetic field.
First I will test the voice coils magnetic polarity strengths and then I will base a design on those results. I will do this using a digital scale. I will then try to match it?s strength with a magnets strength or as close as I can get.
Has anyone done any of this testing before with a crystal radio voice coils magnetic strength? If so, it sure would save me some time.
Scratch that last idea. I don't know what the heck I was thinking. LOL
I am now working on a gravitational energy design. This next picture is what I have built thus far minus the chain and generator and belt.
I have to get another chain in the morning to add to the original because of the distance the crank was moved to. When the weight on the wheel drops, the bike frame will pivot up causing the crank to turn the chain to help make the wheel spin faster. Once the wheel starts turning, it takes very little effort to keep it going. Based on what I have found out already from playing with this today, the front of the frame will lift more weight then the weight added to the wheel. The added torque should prove to make this design a free energy machine.
I will video it after it is done but for now, here is a drawing of what it looks like.
I tried this in every way possible and I could not get it to even just power it's self.
This in no way has a over unity potential. Another waste of time and money. LOL
I have to think of the next design I want to attempt to build. I will be back later with a new whacked out idea.
hm......
I'm thinking maybe if we look at each generator type we can look for a way to take advantage of its parts....
For example...
-Shake-em up and the fact to move the magnet inside it can use magnetism...
-Spin generators and use of weights....
--See attatchment
One thing...
-Can we use electromagnets at no expense of power? I believe we can...
Formula1, you may have something there. Let me think about it for a while and i will get back to you with a more thought out opinion. Not that my opinion should be ever be considered, considering my idiotic ideas I have already posted. LOL
I do have one idea that has no choice but to work but I am not ready to post it do to needing a patent first. I would have already applied for one but my education level to properly describe it and tells the spec's of it are very lacking and I need help with them.
It is a pulse motor but one unlike that that I have ever seen before and based on the out put of those that are similar, this one will be far more powerful and have a much higher efficiency rating. At least double if not more then any I have seen. Guaranteed!
Quote from: nightlife on March 14, 2008, 12:37:38 AM
I do have one idea that has no choice but to work but I am not ready to post it do to needing a patent first. I would have already applied for one but my education level to properly describe it and tells the spec's of it are very lacking and I need help with them.
It is a pulse motor but one unlike that that I have ever seen before and based on the out put of those that are similar, this one will be far more powerful and have a much higher efficiency rating. At least double if not more then any I have seen. Guaranteed!
I can make a gif for you to show how it would work
I need a description though,
I can understand if your resistant to post it since if you were to, people might steal it....
I am pretty sure the machine in my other thread is sure to work, it seems flawless....
-If I had more Patience and an understanding on how electronic timers worked, I would build it.,. unfortunately.....
Personally, now I just want to see an infinite energy creator made rather then have to build it myself....
-I would like to make it, but right now the world has more problems then my greed needs the money...
--Though I would like to use publicity to make inventing a highschool education or even from childhood (its more important then money in the long run)
--Now I'm just trying to get other people to make it...
Formula1, I don?t want a patent for the money. I want it to keep others from stealing it and selling it to some one who will keep it hide from the rest of the world.
Most all of the pulse motors can not be patented because they have already been patented and it has now became open source. I am thinking real hard about posting it but I just haven't been able to do so yet.
Quote from: nightlife on March 14, 2008, 01:44:18 AM
Formula1, I don?t want a patent for the money. I want it to keep others from stealing it and selling it to some one who will keep it hide from the rest of the world.
Most all of the pulse motors can not be patented because they have already been patented and it has now became open source. I am thinking real hard about posting it but I just haven't been able to do so yet.
Well, your fears are well founded...
What is a pulse motor anyway? I've never heard of em.....
-How does it work?
I suppose I can look it up no problem...
There are several diferent types and I think one of the most common is a bedini pulse motor. Here is a link of couple different designs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv1npBgWEbk
This next one is similar to my design.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvB3PiPBozU&feature=email
Here is a better understanding of how to build one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySgeSpJpQ&feature=PlayList&p=01EFAEEFC48B620D&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8&feature=PlayList&p=01EFAEEFC48B620D&index=6
I am going to go in another direction for a minute to see if I can use the vibrations of smells as a vibrant energy source. I am not sure how to do this but I will start by using a device like Tesla had patented back in Nov 1901. I will have to modify it a bit but I am hoping of getting some kind of difference when a plate is placed close to a fragrance apposed to it being further away from the fragrance.
Quote from: nightlife on March 18, 2008, 07:02:21 PM
I am going to go in another direction for a minute to see if I can use the vibrations of smells as a vibrant energy source. I am not sure how to do this but I will start by using a device like Tesla had patented back in Nov 1901. I will have to modify it a bit but I am hoping of getting some kind of difference when a plate is placed close to a fragrance apposed to it being further away from the fragrance.
Smells? wtf?
I guess that would work, so long as there is some sort of chemical reaction meaning you would need some sort of unstable chemical on the other side...
-Which also means you would need to replace the reactive chemicals...
You could base it of the hot rising air or the cold falling air...
-But even that would need you to depend on energy of somesort
I'm sayin...... Chemicals... Heat and cold... both need some sort of reactant/fuel...
It might not be a bad idea... but my experience with chemicals has led me to believe that smells themselves to not create movement...
-But who knows.... I might be wrong.....
Formula1, do to the fact that our nose hairs are what is used to detect smells, the smells must be a vibration and if they are a vibration, they must emit some sort of energy.
This may not be true but it sounds logical to me and is worth checking out.
Quote from: nightlife on March 22, 2008, 11:49:01 AM
Formula1, do to the fact that our nose hairs are what is used to detect smells, the smells must be a vibration and if they are a vibration, they must emit some sort of energy.
This may not be true but it sounds logical to me and is worth checking out.
I agree
It sounds like it might work
Our nose hairs are what is used to detect smells? I doubt this are hard facts. Where did you get this from?
And even if so, it would be just a very little bit of energy. IMHO not really worth to harvest. But I appreciate your
positive energy. Keep it up. Remember (I guess Edison said that) every failure is a success because with every nonworking device
we know one further way that doesn't work. I (not edison) even collect them, my little museum of mistakes.