Greetings All,
I have long sought a solution for the myriad of problems we have on Earth.
Energy crisis, war, hunger, disease, political strife and some but there are
many others. I have pondered many physical solutions, but there are always
complications, and delays, and so many other reasons why Mans solutions
DO NOT WORK! Then it occurred to me we cannot solve this ourselves.
The Solution is simple, we need to, AS A PLANET, acknowledge GOD!
He/She is our only solution. Everyone on Earth needs to;
Acknowledge GOD, Thank GOD and, Tell GOD we love him/her.
Do this on a daily, if not more, basis.
This is the ONLY way!
I am forwarding this to everyone on my email list. Everyone who receives this
needs to forward it to everyone on their mailing list. This email or a paper copy
of it needs to circumscribe the globe and get to everyone. People who are
multilingual, please translate this and distribute it in all languages that you know.
You will be astounded what a little faith can do!
Thank you all!
Well said, now check out Rodin's Math if you want to see how this ties into free energy. Marko Rodin seems to have nailed it. He said the information was revealed to him after seeking God. True genius in his discoveries. Sort of explains how and why everything works the way it does. I watched all 44 of his videos, they get addictive after first half dozen or so, each one is around 5-10 minutes long. When I really understood I saw things differently, example: a water vortex has lines in a distinct pattern along its walls. These are always the same but after understanding his math, I could see why those lines are shaped and spaced the way they are. His coil also has amaizing qualities. Well worth a look.
Praise Jah! Nothing wrong with that, but when this impulse degrades into religion, things can get a little sticky.
In the spirit of keeping an open mind, consider an opposing viewpoint:
The Root of all Evil / Part II / The Virus of Faith:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8210522903232438954
The Four Horsemen:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869630813464694890
for starters read...
http://www.jimblog.net/wp-content/uploads/sacredtexts/eso/som
this is a free online book.
check it out when you guys have some free time.
peace
thank you free energy I read a few and liked a lot adding to favorites now
I don't believe in religion, or the church. I have always believed in GOD,
the creator of everything we can perceive. There are problems here that
can only be solved by Divine Intervention. The reason that we have
these problems is that most of the population of Earth has turned away from
GOD. Religions and churches are not GOD. Pray directly to GOD! You DO NOT
need a middle man, for the middle man will only steal your prayer, and not
deliver it to GOD. Men that proclaim themselves to be "good" in public, then
do wicked things behind closed doors need to know their time is up. Their
karma is due. They shall pay the piper, and GOD shall destroy them. This is
not my vengeance, these men constructed their own demise with their
wicked deeds, and they shall pay to the extent of their wickedness.
So, this is just a little something to cheer you up...
It's true: Mankind needs a solution from above. But it takes some additional years until God's kingdom will come. This is the one and only solution. To pray is good, but it must be in respect of God's will and plan with the earth. If somebody prays, mankind should solve all the problems we have, it will not fullfill, because God's plan is, to completely replace todays authorities. The Earth stays forever (please read Jes 45:18).
Quote from: z.monkey on March 13, 2008, 05:41:57 AM
...There are problems here that
can only be solved by Divine Intervention. The reason that we have
these problems is that most of the population of Earth has turned away from
GOD...
which problems are you referring to? could you be a bit more specific as to what the problems are and the logic that supports your claim that said problems can ONLY be solved by divine invention? other than the claim that most of the population of the earth has turned away from god. how did you come to that conclusion by the way? do you have some survey figures or something or was it just conjecture and supposition? does turning away from god mean not going to church?
do you have some proof of this god? any proof that this "is the ONLY way"?
Quote from: z.monkey on March 13, 2008, 05:41:57 AM
You will be astounded what a little faith can do!
yeah, i am astounded at how faith makes so much blood flow on this planet...
"We want to stand upon our own feet and look fair and square at the world -- its good facts, its bad facts, its beauties, and its ugliness; see the world as it is and be not afraid of it. Conquer the world by intelligence and not merely by being slavishly subdued by the terror that comes from it. The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings. We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages. A good world needs knowledge, kindliness, and courage; it does not need a regretful hankering after the past or a fettering of the free intelligence by the words uttered long ago by ignorant men. It needs a fearless outlook and a free intelligence. It needs hope for the future, not looking back all the time toward a past that is dead, which we trust will be far surpassed by the future that our intelligence can create." -- Bertrand Russell
You obviously missed the part where I said I don't believe in church, or religion.
It is man that made a total mess of this world.
What is coming will make the Old Testament look like a happy fun time.
GOD is the ONLY way, and I KNOW this because my Father,
He who art in heaven, told me...
I didn't read this somewhere are regurgitate it on this forum...
GOD loves you too, brother...
no ididnt miss that part, i did notice you didn't answer any of my questions though... such as being more specific other than "man has made a mess" and only god can fix it.
god is NOT the only way and i know this because my imaginary deity told me he was better than your imaginary deity... ;)
my imaginary deity loves you to bro ;)
tell you what though, if there are some pearly gates and ol saint peter is guarding them and he asks me if i am ready to enter the kingdom, im gonna be sure to ask what my other options are.
speaking of ol pete, don't you think its funny how good ol pete, who denied the lord THREE times even though he allegedly lived with him, ate with him, shared daily experiences with him, gets the position of "gatekeeper of heaven" but if i, a man removed from said events by 2000 years questions him, i am damned to eternal hellfire?
"Where knowledge ends, religion begins" -- Benjamin Disraeli
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaa....
You are very cynical. :D
nice sidestep...again
its not cynicism, its logic
its entirely possible that "god" does NOT exist... PROVEN by your own words from another post
"All things are possible..."
i hope you answer my questions, but i expect another sidestep.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours - Stephen Roberts
hmm yes I am also sceptical about this claimed necessity to
believe in a god...
I'm not saying you should stop doing so, because if you feel it has
a positive effect on your life and you do not obstruct others in their
persuit of happiness and freedom then by all means spend all of your
time worshipping or whatever you do to appease your god.
Great stuff.
I believe there are way too many people that are way too focused
on some kind of vague metaphysical dogma that in most cases
defies logic, and that the irrational persuit of such dogma and
dismissal of other peoples beliefs in favour of ones personal conviction
is in fact the direct cause for most of the problems in this world of ours.
In that light I do agree with your view that one "does not need the middle man".
But according to that same approach, one does not need to be told
to believe in God either. When you do so, you are in fact playing
that "middle man" that you don't need. When you fundamentally take
religious scripture to be the only truth, similarly, you are allowing yourself
to be led by a faceless "middle man" instead of allowing yourself to
be led by one of the most precious gifts all of us are born with:
the gift of reason, the fantastic ability of rational thought, the very
thing that seperates us from the animals.
But then again, that is my personal view.
Aside from that I would like to hear what exactly is so spectacular and
fantastic about the stuff Rodin came up with...? I've seen his work,
and although it looks like he spent quite a bit of time and effort working
it out, it does not actually seem to have a very solid foundation...
Is it not more a nice idea that looks impressive than actual science?
OK, here are the man made problems that man will not be able to solve.
1. Plastics manufacturing are causing our oceans to be poisoned with dioxins. These dioxins are causing mankind to become sterile. Our own progress is destroying our ability to reproduce.
2. Nuclear proliferation is WAY out of control. There are already enough bombs to destroy this planet several times over, yet we keep building them at a record pace. Not to mention all the nuclear power ships and power plants. Just what are we supposed to do with the spent fuel? Build more bombs?
3. Farmlands have been over used. This reduces the nutrients in the soil. The food supply continues to get less nutritious. The farm products are becoming nothing but fiber and water with no nutrients.
4. The over use of fossil fuels is poisoning the atmosphere with an overdose of carbon dioxide. What are we going to do if we run out of oxygen.
5. War? Self explanatory...
6. We continue to ignore those in need, whether it is hunger or homelessness or medical needs (from the proliferation of weapons and war). Man should be his brothers helper, not the careless beast he has become.
7. The incursion of the Illuminati in to our governments and churches are draining the life blood out of nations. This insidious force needs to be stopped now.
8. Mankind is obviously incapable of getting along with one another. Look at capitol hill for example. Our democratically elected government cannot make progress because they cannot agree with one another. The sit there soaking up tax dollars, deadlocked for months or years at a time. This is totally anti-productive. While it is not a serious threat to mankind, their inaction might be.
9. The Islamic threat. These people believe that they should have dominion over this planet. They cannot even govern themselves, and they want to control you and I also! This is something that we just cannot allow to happen.
10. The educational system. How many people have been trying for how many decades to get the public school system out of the dismal state of affairs that it is in? All that effort, and the system just keeps getting worse. We have professional football players that make millions of dollars and they can't even read. The wretchedly bad educational system produces millions of people who are welfare dependent, and guess who gets to pay for that? You and me...
Well there are the BIG man made problems that I can think of, right off hand. If I dig into my notes I can exemplify a lot more.
Now lets look at something different. What about external threats? Are you aware that we are at war with alien races. What if I told you that there are 15 distinct extraterrestrial races on Earth right now. 8 of these races consider us to be a sub-species and have no regard for human life what so ever. These malevolent races feel the Earth belongs to them and are actively trying to exterminate the human race. The most prevalent of the races are the Reptilians from the Alpha Draconis star system, and the Greys from Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2 star systems. Covert Earth military forces have been battling these alien for nearly a century. We are NOT winning. In fact the situation is dire. Without Divine Intervention we will be exterminated.
That is why I wrote the original message and sent it to every I know. Our species is in grave danger of being exterminated and the ONLY thing that is going to make any sort of a difference is GOD.
It's time to say, GOD, hey your the boss, we need your help!
So I hope this makes you feel better, WilbyInebriated
As for you who can commiserate with me, GODSPEED!
I was following pretty good on your last post till you got to #11 Now lets look at something different Chet
cool, you listed some problems, some are laughable, the islam one in particular...
however, you supplied NO LOGIC as to why why these problems can ONLY be solved by some imaginary god.
ie: spent nuclear fuel, put it in a rocket, send it towards the center of the galaxy, no divine intervention needed.
war? stop fighting over resources or ideals and dogma. this applies to your asinine statement about islam also.
capitol hill? citizenship is voluntary, organize people to renounce their citizenship. this applies to your comment about the illuminati as well.
yes yes aliens are everywhere, so are elves and dragons and hobgoblins even, i'm sure covert military has been battling them as well ;) LOL. i have read david icke also, doesn't mean i'm on the bandwagon. read the bible, doesn't mean i'm on the bandwagon, read marx and lenin too. doesn't mean i'm a pinko. by the way did "god" create these dna sucking reptilians? if so then their plan of our destruction or domination MUST be part of "gods" plan? if so aren't you defying "god"? if not created by god...well i'm sure you can see where i'm going with that.
all of these problems sans the alien invasion were created by mans FREE WILL and therefore are man's responsibility to fix. i believe in personal responsibility not some big brother or big government or big god that should fix everything and make it all better and tuck me in at night.
its time to say hey "god/government/personal savior" i'm the boss.
Well, you know we all have free will, and freedom of speech.
I put in my 2 cents. It's your right to ignore it.
Have a nice life...
yes on that i will agree, we do all have free will, freedom of speech? well i wouldn't say we ALL have that.
i was just putting my 2 cents out there along with yours, its your right to ignore logic i guess.
have a nice life...? does that mean you are dropping out of this conversation to save face? you still havent addressed the logic behind your claims, you have provided something more specific than just "problems" which is good, but i still missed the part where you backed those problems up with some logic as to why they are ONLY solvable by divine intervention. if you were dropping out to save face, i guess i can respect that also.
I agree with z.monkey here.... I also believe in God , but not in organized religion (I think it's used to control people).
I think God wants us to succeed in getting free energy for everyone. Also I think it's fine if you don't believe in God, that is up to each person. Please let's not attack each other over this, we should focus on the goal of getting a fully documented free energy system to the world.
uhh attacks? where do you see one of those?
he made some claims, i asked for some specifics and logic to support them.
he responded with a list of specifics, still waiting on the logic...
i see no attacks, if you do could you please be more specific?
I wasn't trying to blame anyone either way; of course you have a right to question someone's claim. I do not agree with z.monkey's claim about Islam either. However, I just mean we've got more important things to do than argue over stuff like this, that's all. We are running out of time.
Quote from: z.monkey on March 13, 2008, 07:34:49 AM
You obviously missed the part where I said I don't believe in church, or religion.
It is man that made a total mess of this world.
What is coming will make the Old Testament look like a happy fun time.
GOD is the ONLY way, and I KNOW this because my Father,
He who art in heaven, told me...
I didn't read this somewhere are regurgitate it on this forum...
GOD loves you too, brother...
True... But you got one thing slightly wrong... It's not exactly Man that made a total mess of this world, it is mainly because the governments have complete control over whatever we are allowed to do.
To put things into perspective... I'm not sure how the transport system works in other countries... But I will try to get one thing straight.
Over here we have a document that is given to us when we own a car, motorbike, van, etc. Now... Somewhere on this document we have a section that indicates what type of fuel the vehicle runs on. Also, once a year we have to have our cars fully tested (mechanically, and exhaust emmissions), over here this is called the MOT-Test.
Now... If I was by some chance lucky enough to find a solution to apply (Free-Energy Technology) to my motor car, I could not do so, because... 1) I would have to send back the V5 document to the DVLA, to tell them I have an alternative fuel source running my vehicle (but it is not a valid fuel source in their terms)... 2) I could not keep hush-hush about it, because they take note of the fuel type when a vehicle is submitted for the MOT-Test.
So there you go, the government controll what we can and cannot run our vehicles on, so it it the government who is to blame for the climate change (if any).
i got nothing but time ;)
and i do agree with you about the focus, which is partially why i created an account to reply to this thread. if i were to create a thread saying that we all need to pray to Zeus to give us the secret to his lightning bolts (the original spark-gap) ;) and solve some problems for us what do you think people would have thought? if you think god is gonna give you free energy, great! share it with all your friends who believe in "god", putting it in a forum like this to everyone well your gonna get some chuckles. thats just how it is. i think some of z. monkeys posts were pretty good and well thought out, except the ones where he is proselytizing.
waiting for divine intervention to bring us a more efficient and sustainable energy system is a long wait for a train that ain't coming.
Quote from: Feynman on March 13, 2008, 10:59:30 AM
I wasn't trying to blame anyone either way; of course you have a right to question someone's claim. I do not agree with z.monkey's claim about Islam either. However, I just mean we've got more important things to do than argue over stuff like this, that's all. We are running out of time.
Ah, yes, I agree with that!
There are much more important things to do with our time, our energy, and our minds
than to sit around and bicker about who believes in what metaphysical paradigm and for what reasons,
and why one would or would not be better than another.
That said, I also completely agree with WilbyInebriated that most of the things on that list z.monkey posted
are in fact man-mande problems and can also be solved by man-made solutions, and we really don't need
a metaphysical entity to do that for us.
In fact, one of the reasons so many of those problems exist is that so many people trust that there is
some metaphysical "shepherd" entity that will protect us against ourselves, I think. If people put as
much energy into thinking rationally about problems in societey and the world at large and acting to
solve them as they put into the large scale religious practises of our world, then a lot less problems
would exist.
My imaginary deity can kick your imaginary deity's ass!
Feynman is right we got way off topic and it's my fault.
So instead of kicking each others asses lets kick Big Oil's
ass.
I can't explain my statements with logic, it's a spiritual thing.
:D
Quote from: z.monkey on March 13, 2008, 11:49:05 AM
My imaginary deity can kick your imaginary deity's ass!
Feynman is right we got way off topic and it's my fault.
So instead of kicking each others asses lets kick Big Oil's
ass.
I can't explain my statements with logic, it's a spiritual thing.
:D
LOL, cool, was hoping i hadn't upset you, your humor shows me i probably did not.
"I can't explain my statements with logic, it's a spiritual thing."
yes, i just wanted to hear you say it. its all good. spiritual fruits are far better than religious nuts ;)
you know what they say, "philosophy is questions that cannot be answered and religion is answers that cannot be questioned" ;) did they say that? or was it me?
love, peace and chicken grease
Life is too short to take seriously...
Peas...
Hey! Don't you dis the peas now! >:(
Lol ;) :D
Hi Wilby and so, look back the 6000 years in history. There was and is never a decade without problems. Mankind is in the hand of the devils as long their time is up (soon).
And I agree, beleaving is more than logic and thats good.
And i know, not everybody wants to (can) beleave in God, because of missing spirituality. It makes no sence to discuss this here. There are two sides opposite sides which will never come together. Never!
Your god can kiss my Nihilistic ass.
lol I am with Nihilanth, he can also kiss my godass, god never and will never exist!
Don't merge stupidity and spirituality, they are not the same thing.
35 minutes, 1 second, not a record breaker but still satisfying. Also, TheOne your grammar confuses me.
Quote from: bw on March 13, 2008, 02:33:37 AM
thank you free energy I read a few and liked a lot adding to favorites now
Glad you liked it :D
peace
"May whatever God you believe in have mercy on your soul"
-Q
I'll let him know you don't believe in him, I'm fixin' to roll over there and barbeque....
The user name monkey quite appropriate for the message posted at the top and the title of this forum. There's a long line of religious nonsense claimants that tries to meddle with and into the science. Newmans and D. Lee's of the world unite! And we can see the results of these attempts. And more. Just look around what have the christians done in their quest for peace and love: Irak, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Darfour, Palestine, poverty in ex colonies throughout the world. And all that by professed "believers in god and his/her love" Forrest Gump (Bush monkey for those who didn't know) his arse lickers Blair (recently re-born christian) and Howard (staunch "believer" in "god's" love for his arse), and the swag of smaller loosers like polish, german, french romanian and other self-proclamed democrats and "believers" in "god".
Yeah, blood, death, wars, poverty, hunger, suffering all around. All in the name of "god" that loves me. Sounds only like a devil to me. Thanks but no thanks.
Keep that perversion to yourself, enjoy as much as you can, but keep it private and out of the public eye. Your beliefs are not shared with intelligent people. Only by fools and criminals.
Doctor Tesla,
I think you are confusing religious zealots and people who understand spirituality. I don't believe in atheists, yet they still exist. I Do believe in Nicola Tesla. But, obviously, what I believe doesn't matter here. I'm just some wingnut to most of you people, and it totally doesn't matter to me.
But I also know that some superior force created this UNVIERSE, and everything within it, whatever you call that force. This includes the etheric plane, electricity, stars and dirt ball planets like this one. This superior force, the celestial consciousness, created your soul and everything you believe in. So forgive me, but I do not think that you are an atheist. You, despite your disbelief, still believe in something bigger than the human race. Angels, goddesses, ascended masters, imaginary deities, whatever, I know, you hold faith in something.
Also, Doctor Tesla, you are a monkey too!
Blessed Be Brother...
Your reply just confirms what I have said before. In synthesis you are bad in talking about things you know nothing about. Talking about what I "believe" is shining example of that ignorance. Now, I do not want to be rude or insulting, that is your "christian" job. But the fact is you have no idea what you are talking about and yet claim absolute authority. I wander if you are not maybe T. Cruise...? In any event you are discrediting yourself on your own and that is good enough for intelligent people to see through. This forum is about research on practical solutions in area of alternative sources of power for everyday use that you too would enjoy as well if they were to be found and made available. Not about your personal religious belief. For that you need to look for religious forums where there will be people like you and will be happy to share your views. Fortunately, with the advances the science is making, these views are destined to extinction.
Well,
First, I do not fancy myself as an orthodox Christian, I don't go to church.
Second, I am not a Scientologist (blech...).
Third, I am a Free Energy researcher.
Forth, now I am not only a wingnut but a dumbass too.
So, Doctor Tesla, you have now assessed my intelligence level and judged me with out having even met me. Sooo typical of modern man, judge by the cover and not the contents. Well, you know, to each his own. But you probably aught to look out for those snap judgments, there is a book somewhere that covers that topic.
Did anyone ever even figure out that I was talking about divine inspiration by one's own spirit? Your own personal god? The mental body which is your soul? I wasn't talking about some fictitious old dude that lives in the sky, wears a white robe, and has a long gray beard. Hmmm, how short sighted of you, but then again you probably have not even explored your own spirit, so why would you want to know anything else about spirituality? Our own higher selves can help us solve the Free Energy / Over Unity problem, but did you doubters consider that? Did you ever think to ask your higher selves?
I was spending a considerable amount of time to help the people on this forum because I felt that this is worthy cause. Now if you soulless doubters do not want me to be here and offer my professional electrical and electronic engineering opinion, well so be it. I am going to develop Free Energy with or without you. I can go either way, it doesn't bother me. In fact I would have considerably more free time without the load of helping people here.
So, Doctor Tesla, I suggest you look at some of the other threads I have started on this forum, before you decide you don't want my help...
Good day!
Z monkey
Although I think it is good that you tried to open a conversation about dealing with these problems from a higher perspective ........ arguing the point is only a waste of time .
The simple truth is ....there is more oder to the universe than science can explain.
Although science can see how remote the chance of life forming the way it has ........it can not accept the idea that there is an intelligence behind it all .
Science in general teaches that there is no God
Religions contain many spiritual truths .....but the truths that are critical to humanity " growing up " are downplayed .
It takes a degree of spiritual awareness to be able to find the truth ........because for the most part we have to find it ourselves .
You can't find God by scanning outer space with teliscopes .
You can't find God by following the beliefs of others.
You can't find God through the constant chatter of the intellectual mind.
To find God you need to look past the complaining and discord of the intellectual mind ,
If you look deep enough you will find that you ARE at peace . ( at a deeper level )
If you look deep enough you will find a truth that is shared by all religions, but religions rarely spend much effort teaching this truth . ............................... God is Love.
You can never find God by looking outside of yourself .
Once you find God in your own heart ,..,....... you will find him EVERYWHERE .
gary
Thanks One,
It's nice to have a harmonious voice on this thread once in a great while.
You are right the things that people seek "out there" somewhere are likely only to be found within. Love, inspiration, spiritual enlightenment, happiness, and even God, cannot be found "out there" somewhere. We must look within. We must seek the council and communion with our higher selves to accomplish these things.
People who refuse this meditation with one's own soul are doomed to be stuck on the physical plane until they can open their minds to this idea. Great inventors which I have studied all have a common trait. They would design things in their mind, and then pull the ideas down into the physical plane and build them with their hands. Well, we all do this. We all use the spiritual resources and take action in the physical plane. However, most people are not aware of this, and believe that their brain is doing the work. The mind and the brain are two different things. The brain resides on the physical (1st) plane of existence. The mind on the other hand is your spiritual body and resides on the Mental (4th) plane of existence.
Now I am not suggesting that you will be a better inventor by embracing religion, to the contrary indeed. What I am suggesting is that we will all be better informed by understanding the nature of our selves as being spiritual beings on the Mental plane of existence first, and animal bodies on the physical plane of existence second. Reach up to your mind and let it guide you, for it is wise far beyond us.
Thanks again, One.
Blessed Be Brother...
Quote from: z.monkey on April 02, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
Thanks One,
It's nice to have a harmonious voice on this thread once in a great while.
You are right the things that people seek "out there" somewhere are likely only to be found within. Love, inspiration, spiritual enlightenment, happiness, and even God, cannot be found "out there" somewhere. We must look within. We must seek the council and communion with our higher selves to accomplish these things.
People who refuse this meditation with one's own soul are doomed to be stuck on the physical plane until they can open their minds to this idea. Great inventors which I have studied all have a common trait. They would design things in their mind, and then pull the ideas down into the physical plane and build them with their hands. Well, we all do this. We all use the spiritual resources and take action in the physical plane. However, most people are not aware of this, and believe that their brain is doing the work. The mind and the brain are two different things. The brain resides on the physical (1st) plane of existence. The mind on the other hand is your spiritual body and resides on the Mental (4th) plane of existence.
Now I am not suggesting that you will be a better inventor by embracing religion, to the contrary indeed. What I am suggesting is that we will all be better informed by understanding the nature of our selves as being spiritual beings on the Mental plane of existence first, and animal bodies on the physical plane of existence second. Reach up to your mind and let it guide you, for it is wise far beyond us.
Thanks again, One.
Blessed Be Brother...
You know, it's fine if you want to have your little invisible friend in the sky, but this is not a religion forum, so why don't you just keep your spiritual advice to yourself.
Quote from: z.monkey on April 02, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
Thanks One,
It's nice to have a harmonious voice on this thread once in a great while.
You are right the things that people seek "out there" somewhere are likely only to be found within. Love, inspiration, spiritual enlightenment, happiness, and even God, cannot be found "out there" somewhere. We must look within. We must seek the council and communion with our higher selves to accomplish these things.
Exactly :)
One step beyond this ............ Love, inspiration, and happiness, are best found by GIVING them
Those that seek these things for their own selfish pleasure find them only in small measure .
They can't hold on to them because they by trying to hold onto them you are fighting their nature.
Religons know this .........one example is As you sow so shall you reap .
Again it is in the religions but not really taught .
If you practice GIVING these things long enough it leads to spiritual enlightenment.
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People who refuse this meditation with one's own soul are doomed to be stuck on the physical plane until they can open their minds to this idea.
YES .........and the tend to become skeptics ............ ooooUUU iiiiick ................... :)
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Great inventors which I have studied all have a common trait. They would design things in their mind, and then pull the ideas down into the physical plane and build them with their hands. Well, we all do this. We all use the spiritual resources and take action in the physical plane. However, most people are not aware of this, and believe that their brain is doing the work. The mind and the brain are two different things. The brain resides on the physical (1st) plane of existence. The mind on the other hand is your spiritual body and resides on the Mental (4th) plane of existence.
Now I am not suggesting that you will be a better inventor by embracing religion, to the contrary indeed. What I am suggesting is that we will all be better informed by understanding the nature of our selves as being spiritual beings on the Mental plane of existence first, and animal bodies on the physical plane of existence second. Reach up to your mind and let it guide you, for it is wise far beyond us.
Thanks again, One.
Blessed Be Brother...
Yes ........ I would say that ALL great inventors do this .
Tesla was a master of this ........in one video it said that he suffered greatly because of the flashes near the end of his life ......... they did not stop when his abillity to follow through ended .
The physical mind thinks things through one step at a time ..........piece by piece .
You can tell when you have touched higher mind because you have an AH HA moment .......ALL of a sudden you see the WHOLE picture .........it is clear and complete .
In higher mind there is no figuring it out ...........it simply is ......... we just have to access it .
The way it works best for me is to answer all the questions that I can ............and let the questions I can't answer simmer in the back of my mind .......... I don't give up ....... but when I have done all I can physicaly ...... I do't fight that either. . I KNOW that I am more than just physical . I trust my higher self to show me the way .
Eventually I will have that Ah HA moment and I will have an answer .,
We have a very important task to do ............and our opposition is for all practical purposes invisible .
In my opinion it would be foolish to try to fight them only in this dimension.
gary
Howdy ShruggedAtlas,
Whatever, dude!
All of this Free Energy and Over Unity is permanently joined with the metaphysical. Why do you think all this stuff works? Did it "evolve"? Did it just happen by chance? Or, was it by design? What if the sun was designed to power the planets? What if you find out that all the fantastic things we are discovering in the realm of Free Energy and Over Unity were designed long ago by beings who are literally godlike in stature compared to the puny, barely mental, humans that now infest this dirt ball of planet?
After all Atlas is a GOD!
Quote from: z.monkey on April 02, 2008, 12:59:40 PM
Howdy ShruggedAtlas,
Whatever, dude!
All of this Free Energy and Over Unity is permanently joined with the metaphysical. Why do you think all this stuff works? Did it "evolve"? Did it just happen by chance? Or, was it by design. What if the sun was designed to power the planets. What if you find out that all the fantastic things we are discovering in the realm of Free Energy and Over Unity were designed long ago by beings who are literally godlike in stature compared to the puny, barely mental, humans that now infest this dirt ball of planet.
After all Atlas is a GOD!
Nothing happens by chance.
What if there is only one life .................and that life created the whole physical realm just to enjoy being all that he could be?
gary
Stefan,
how about shutting down this thread, having absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of the forum? If these types of debate start appearing, the server will blow up in a tick. There will never be an agreement between the atheists and believers about gods and dogma. And you'll end up fighting bills for more and more memory on servers.
In a modern society (secular, as we are told daily) religion is a private matter, not public.
Not that that is the case when politicians go around professing their "spiritual" allegiance to this or that religion, stick their preferred insignia onto the money and force children to pledge their unreserved allegiance to this or that "god", which is absolute hypocrisy, but all this pointless debate is out of scope here.
I vote for a cull. If only to make those fanatics understand that their fantasies do not make the fabric of this particular forum. I haven't seen any of the, obviously more intelligent, atheists forcing this type of debate here forcing their opinion onto others, so there's no excuse for religious bull to stain the forum either.
whats wrong with having your say about what ever? , even if its nothing to do with OU ?. some of you need to relax ::) ,or are you being hurt by this thread? or maybe feeling gulty or somthing?....missed confession ?.
....so what its not hurting any one , move on :P.
Didn't Stefan speak up on the 9/11 thread? Obviously he doesn't mind these kinds of thread in his forum.
Not knowing what the answers are, it looks to me, that no one knows. We don't have the answers to the massiveness of the universe or the infinitesimal string theory like we don't have the answers to which religion or spiritual reality is truth. Perception is reality and we all have ours. Science is derived from what we know and don't know. Spirituality comes from what we feel. Maybe the truth is in the middle of those.
Brad
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on April 02, 2008, 09:09:18 PM
Stefan,
how about shutting down this thread, having absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of the forum? If these types of debate start appearing, the server will blow up in a tick. There will never be an agreement between the atheists and believers about gods and dogma. And you'll end up fighting bills for more and more memory on servers.
Why ask Stefan for help ?
You can take action ALL BY YOURSELF .
YOU can help save the server .
YOU can make a public statement and keep unneeded posts to a minimum at the same time .
All you have to do is boycot this thread .
gary
Stefan wouldn't take down the thread that I started and told him to take down. In a public forum all opinions are valid.
Your higher self has the answers, and will give them up if you conform to the ways of your spirit.
Hahahahhahhahaaahahahahahahaaaaa!!!
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on April 02, 2008, 09:09:18 PM
Stefan,
how about shutting down this thread, having absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of the forum? If these types of debate start appearing, the server will blow up in a tick. There will never be an agreement between the atheists and believers about gods and dogma. And you'll end up fighting bills for more and more memory on servers.
In a modern society (secular, as we are told daily) religion is a private matter, not public.
Not that that is the case when politicians go around professing their "spiritual" allegiance to this or that religion, stick their preferred insignia onto the money and force children to pledge their unreserved allegiance to this or that "god", which is absolute hypocrisy, but all this pointless debate is out of scope here.
I vote for a cull. If only to make those fanatics understand that their fantasies do not make the fabric of this particular forum. I haven't seen any of the, obviously more intelligent, atheists forcing this type of debate here forcing their opinion onto others, so there's no excuse for religious bull to stain the forum either.
This thread has nothing to do with religion!
"God" or "the Universe" or "all that is" is part of our being. Religions tried to institutionalise this and make rules and regulations, but they have nothing to do with the universe. these are organizations just like a political party. they just misused the name God for they purposes and as a consequence the masses make the wrong association.
Free Energy is one of the things, besides water and air and fire, that we received from "the universe", but we forgot how;
so this thread is absolutely not out of place!
eden
Quote from: Dr. Tesla on April 02, 2008, 09:09:18 PM
Stefan,
how about shutting down this thread, having absolutely nothing to do with the purpose of the forum? If these types of debate start appearing, the server will blow up in a tick. There will never be an agreement between the atheists and believers about gods and dogma. And you'll end up fighting bills for more and more memory on servers.
In a modern society (secular, as we are told daily) religion is a private matter, not public.
Not that that is the case when politicians go around professing their "spiritual" allegiance to this or that religion, stick their preferred insignia onto the money and force children to pledge their unreserved allegiance to this or that "god", which is absolute hypocrisy, but all this pointless debate is out of scope here.
I vote for a cull. If only to make those fanatics understand that their fantasies do not make the fabric of this particular forum. I haven't seen any of the, obviously more intelligent, atheists forcing this type of debate here forcing their opinion onto others, so there's no excuse for religious bull to stain the forum either.
This thread has nothing to do with religion!
"God" or "the Universe" or "all that is" is part of our being. Religions tried to institutionalise this and make rules and regulations, but they have nothing to do with the universe. these are organizations just like a political party. they just misused the name God for they purposes and as a consequence the masses make the wrong association.
Free Energy is one of the things, besides water and air and fire, that we received from "the universe", but we forgot how;
so this thread is absolutely not out of place!
eden
Bravo Eden (cool name)!
Goodwill to All, for All is One...
I'm going to be blunt. I believe that most of the people here are actually anti-god, and prefer worshiping their own desires.
Z.monkey, since you started this post. I think you should just slap yourself silly until you finally wake up from the meditation. I wouldn't recommend meditating, you aren't ready for the evils that will approach you while you're in that state - you'll be take for a ride and then some. God is not in one's hearts, but there's an entity there. Everyone has this entity as a companion, you cannot rely on it for guidance. You must teach it the right way.
Do you want to find god? You could do what people do when they want to search for god. Aye, head for hardship. Solitude, fasting, contemplating god, asking for god's help. Perhaps in a forest. Or you could go research text that mention god.
- "Only the god can give you 100% free energy or overunity."
FAR, hmmm, far out man...
You shallow doubters don't phase me a bit. I did all that stuff, fasting, living is solitude, climbing mountains, years of studying philosophy, and psychedelic drugs. But, you know what? I did find God. We hangout on Thursday nights, barbeque ribs, and drink beer. He makes a Kick Ass Potato Salad. I'm headed over there tonight. I'll mention that you think He is a myth. He usually says the same thing, "each will understand with time", and "their time will come". Then we get back to discussing philosophy and drinking beer. SO, I'm sorry, FAR, if your mind has not expanded yet. You would be of far better use if you were open minded and not a misguided cynical doubter...
Blessed Be Brother...
Quote from: z.monkey on April 03, 2008, 05:00:52 PM
FAR, hmmm, far out man...
You shallow doubters don't phase me a bit. I did all that stuff, fasting, living is solitude, climbing mountains, years of studying philosophy, and psychedelic drugs. But, you know what? I did find God. We hangout on Thursday nights, barbeque ribs, and drink beer. He makes a Kick Ass Potato Salad. I'm headed over there tonight. I'll mention that you think He is a myth. He usually says the same thing, "each will understand with time", and "their time will come". Then we get back to discussing philosophy and drinking beer. SO, I'm sorry, FAR, if your mind has not expanded yet. You would be of far better use if you were open minded and not a misguided cynical doubter...
Blessed Be Brother...
Why use double speak at me? I'm not after Orwellian thinking that you just made there.
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This thread has nothing to do with religion!
"God" or "the Universe" or "all that is" is part of our being. Religions tried to institutionalise this and make rules and regulations, but they have nothing to do with the universe. these are organizations just like a political party. they just misused the name God for they purposes and as a consequence the masses make the wrong association.
Free Energy is one of the things, besides water and air and fire, that we received from "the universe", but we forgot how;
so this thread is absolutely not out of place!
eden
I agree
In my opinion the leaders of the major religions are the only group of people that I feel are more corrupt than the people leading our countrys .
I am not saying that they are doing worse things than the people leading our countrys .............but they have spiritual training ........ The religious leaders understand hw things work ......... but they hide most of that knowledge from others and teach mostly fear and judgement .
The leaders of our governments can claim ignorance of how things really work ........ I know Bush doesn't have a clue .
gary
He knows he's a murderer by proxy though.
Regards...
I think God also does not give free lunch! You have to pray him which will increase your inner power and better understanding of the world. That will make you work in right direction and benefitting to all. He wants us to do it and get a power and knowledge from him. So if you keep praying regularly, you will be highly motivated to work for betterment of mandkind and universe and solve new mysteries.
I am Hindu and we have huge Vedik philosophy which explains this. For example when you practice Yoga, you increase your inner powers and can concentrate your mind more and more. That helps you solve many problems.
Howdy Kul_ash,
So if you are Hindu you should understand the concept of Karma (no free lunch). I agree that you are rewarded to the extent of your efforts. This is the reason I sacrifice my nights and weekends working toward the goal of Free Energy and Overunity. Although those two terms are misnomers, we will find better terms when we have a greater understanding. OK, try on this concept. Each one of us has a little spark of GOD within us. This is the I am that I am, our Mental Body. So each one of us has the ability to reach up to our higher self and access what GOD is and knows. I think it is possible to achieve the highest understanding of science, physics, and the nature of the universe by gaining access to our own spark of GOD within, our own MiniGOD. So what do you think?
Blessed Be Brother...
Quote from: z.monkey on April 15, 2008, 10:14:27 AM
Howdy Kul_ash,
So if you are Hindu you should understand the concept of Karma (no free lunch). I agree that you are rewarded to the extent of your efforts. This is the reason I sacrifice my nights and weekends working toward the goal of Free Energy and Overunity. Although those two terms are misnomers, we will find better terms when we have a greater understanding. OK, try on this concept. Each one of us has a little spark of GOD within us. This is the I am that I am, our Mental Body. So each one of us has the ability to reach up to our higher self and access what GOD is and knows. I think it is possible to achieve the highest understanding of science, physics, and the nature of the universe by gaining access to our own spark of GOD within, our own MiniGOD. So what do you think?
Blessed Be Brother...
You said it my friend!! Hindu ideology defines that physical body is controlled by prana that is the energy. Energy still is a physical form and has to be worked on by some one and that is "Atma" i.e soul! This atma is part of one homogeneous system called "parmatma" i.e. God. You are just a small part of this one homogeneous system. Your ultimate aim is to know this truth! That there is nothing me or you or universe, it is just one pure homogeneous system! Thats it, the moment you achive that you means your soul is free!
Now, every soul is according to Hindu ideology, is working either on its bettement or ruining itself. We believe that Atma is like energy. It is never created or destroyed. It just changes forms. So we believe in reincarnation. You soul has the account as such which keeps track of your good dids and bad dids. Depending how fast you purify your soul, you are either closer or longer to Moksha i.e the ultimate truth!
Finally if you go on a micro level, all the matter is made up of electrons and protons and neutrons etc. those are same every where. Once you able to see it at that level, you will see the whole universe as one contiuous homogeneous system of these particles. For you its external form would not matter cause you are able to see the deepest level.
Hindu religion gives and describes four ways of reaching Moksha. Depending what you chose, you can walk the path of truth. But even knowing these paths, there are hardly 1 or 2 people in more that 1 billion Hindus, do walk the path. Rest are too tied with selfishness and "maya" i.e. the myth of pleasuring your physical body and not looking inside.
And that my friend, is the biggest problem!
I wish you all the best in the path of free energy! You need to concentrate more on your path and look inside you and one day you will find the solution if you are on right path! Cause there is really no difference between you and god only thing is your "atma" is mixed up with "maya"!
Too much?? ;D
interesting concept.
I'd like to throw in my 2 cents if you don't mind:
I like to view everything as one. In fact, so does linguistics: universe. ;)
If everything is one, and time and space are the illusions we are coming to realise they are,
and as some cultures/religions/civilisations have realised before us,
and if we may consider the "all-being", the "great spirit", "god", to be all and one,
as quite a number of interpretations state,
then talking about "a little spark of god inside you" seems a little delusional.
Don't misunderstand, I am not in any way ridiculing your statement, z.monkey.
What I mean is: if time and space are illusions and all is one, and this is
what you refer to as "god", then logically there is no such thing as "a little spark
of god inside of us", but rather there is "a little spark that is us, inside of god".
That seems more correct somehow, and also seems to be a little more humble,
in my opinion. But hey, that's all quite monotheistic of course, and I'm not
sure what the Hindus have to say about it but with all those gods in their
pantheon I guess the "all-being" I was talking about would correlate best
with Brahma... Kul_ash should be able to correct me here. ;)
lol and of course Kul_ash beat me to it ;D
I think we are getting a worldwide epiphany here.
Let me put is another way. The universe is GOD's body, the Celestial Host. We are the cells that make up that body. Each one different, but a piece of the whole, or the all. From the tiniest bits of ethers to whole galaxies we are just some anatomical faction of GOD.
Goodwill to All for All is one...
Koen you are in Germany, right?
Kul_ash you are in India, right?
I'm in Texas.
This may be significant, like a energetic line formed between Chakra points around the Earth.
Quote from: Koen1 on April 15, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
interesting concept.
I'd like to throw in my 2 cents if you don't mind:
I like to view everything as one. In fact, so does linguistics: universe. ;)
If everything is one, and time and space are the illusions we are coming to realise they are,
and as some cultures/religions/civilisations have realised before us,
and if we may consider the "all-being", the "great spirit", "god", to be all and one,
as quite a number of interpretations state,
then talking about "a little spark of god inside you" seems a little delusional.
Don't misunderstand, I am not in any way ridiculing your statement, z.monkey.
What I mean is: if time and space are illusions and all is one, and this is
what you refer to as "god", then logically there is no such thing as "a little spark
of god inside of us", but rather there is "a little spark that is us, inside of god".
That seems more correct somehow, and also seems to be a little more humble,
in my opinion. But hey, that's all quite monotheistic of course, and I'm not
sure what the Hindus have to say about it but with all those gods in their
pantheon I guess the "all-being" I was talking about would correlate best
with Brahma... Kul_ash should be able to correct me here. ;)
lol and of course Kul_ash beat me to it ;D
lol. I am impressed to know that you know about Brahma. :o
It really does not matter when you get to that level that you are a little spark that is inside the god or otherwise. What matters is you know the truth that every thing is one homogeneous system. And believe me my friend, no matter how easy this seems, it is extremly difficult to even imagine and let go of your physical body.
Simple expriment I can suggest is try to sit in a quiet place, close your eyes and try to concentrate. Try to let go of your all thoughts and look inside. And then tell me how difficult it is! I am tying to meditate for last few years but till now I have never achieved a single moment when I was disconnected or was not thinking about external world. The moment you get that much concentration, you are really not allowing your senses to go out wondering in physical world but you have started releasing yourself from it! Too difficult to achieve.
I know we have millions of god but they are nothing but names given by different communities. There are very few main gods like Brahma is the Creator of Universe, Vishnu is the opertaor of Universe and Shiva is the destroyer. Then there is Adimaya or female god which gave birth to brahma. And then ther is Ganesh the god of intelligence etc. But all of them are just different forms of same power.
The original vedas did not have so many. They only described 5 elements and Sun as gods! And they knew atleast 12 Suns. They knew how universe came in! A lot of things. I feel ashamed myself that being Hindu, I have never really studied it properly. But Z Monkey has given me motive today.
Which part of world are you from Koen?
well my experiences with meditation were all quite positive, but I got the
impression that as soon as I would get close to a state of detachment,
two things could happen: either I completely lost all track of time and place,
and lost myself in a dreamlike state that I could not consciously observe
without "waking up" and popping back into normal awareness, or I would
be so focused on retaining a state of observation that I never actually
"phased out" and just sat there being very relaxed.
Ah, yes, Ganesh, the elephant-headed god of wisdom.
I just love that avatar. But maybe that is because I like elephants too. ;)
I am currently living in the Netherlands. That's not quite Germany but it's
right next door, between Germany and the UK. ;)
Could be some kind of earth-grid connection, I'm not sure... ley-lines are not
my specialty. :)
Who's to say that we are not living inside the body of a higher life form, or 'God'....in much the same way that microbes inhabit our body.
Bottom line, we do not have a scale in which to measure or determine the lavel our our existence or that of any potential higher level beings or 'Gods'.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on April 15, 2008, 04:24:03 PM
Who's to say that we are not living inside the body of a higher life form, or 'God'....in much the same way that microbes inhabit our body.
Bottom line, we do not have a scale in which to measure or determine the lavel our our existence or that of any potential higher level beings or 'Gods'.
Regards...
You are absolutely right!
There is in fact no limit neither up or down.
Both the micro cosmos and the macro cosmos is infinite. In us there lives smaller and smaller beings, beginning with our organs, then further down into the cells.
But we do also exist in and depend on a being, namely Earth, which itself then again exists in a higher being, The Solar system.
Physical science can never find the borders where this cycle ends, because it is physically unlimited.
However, by using spiritual science we can look beyond the physical barrier by using logic and reasoning, which is what makes it into a science. However, there is a HUGE difference between science or reason, and religion which is primarily dogma.
If we want to see any reason in life at all, then we must conclude with the fact that life itself is nothing physical, but something which forever exists...
We are all eternal, unchangeable living beings, but our physically existing bodies is changeable, and so also destroyable.
But as everything consisting of matter can be rebuilt, and that is what we are really doing when we are growing up, both in our mothers and when we are still not adults.
And, the sum of all the macro cosmoses and micro cosmoses is what we call God, which in itself is also a real living being, both eternal and physical, just as we all are. Life is no mystery if you see matter and physical motion as a secondary to, or a result of a higher form of energy, which at its beginning was a result of will. The wishes and thoughts is always what causes matter to move, it is the first reaction.
It is interesting that people searching for free energy is also interested in all these other 'important questions' if I may call them that ;D
Thank you for your thoughts Nab...I hadn't applied free energy to that concept...until now that is.
Definitely something to think about.
Regards...