Hi, All!
I found this video about the clock which is worked since 1820.
It show in British Museum in London.
http://www.indavideo.hu/video/Egy_orokmozgo_golyos_ora
scorpio
It actually hasn?t stopped since 1820?
Who says it is perpetual?! ???
I like old clocks and I looked it up. I found reproductions of this clock state that the design is to give the allusion of perpetual motion.
Reputely nobody pulled up since 1820...
@Scorpio
Amazing! Thanks a lot for the link.
@Tinu
What is obviously 'perpetual' my dear Tinu is your blindness and your skepticism. :P
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i don't see a blue print on this. how are we suppose to build one? other than that forget it. or did i miss something? show me how to build one then get back to me :)
peace
@FreeEnergy
Did you see any blueprint for the Reidar Finsrud's Device?
We don't know of any replications of this very machine.
We can see pictures, vids but not accurate schemes.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Finsrud's_Perpetuum_Mobile (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Finsrud's_Perpetuum_Mobile)
IMHO, this alleged 'perpetual' Clock (= gravity powered as claimed) is, firstly, worth to be investigated before even thinking about any reproduction.
So, a guy (Scorpio) is posting amazing informations and all he gets is scornful comments?
Le bonjour vous va.
sorry that was with all do respect.
im just getting tired of seeing the same old news.
people claim they have over unity, free energy, perpetual motion, and never open source it leading to no where.
don't let me stop you guys from research. :)
peace
@ FreeEnergy
You sometimes seem like a kid who can't weight to open your Christmas presents until Christmas. You also have to remember you are asking for free, from those who have spent allot of hard work to give you everything they have done. So! in time information will come to the forum, but it is by peoples willingness to give that will post it.
Hi all.
Have a look at this!
http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/rbc-congreve.html
It is written:
Dr. Winter also wished to produce, as much as possible, the illusion of perpetual motion. As he says in his 1923 article, "I have aimed in my design at hiding the means by which the inclined plane is rocked backwards and forwards; there is no visible connection between this and the hands although they obviously move simultaneously." To this end, the signal that the ball has reached the end of its travel and that the table should rock back is made electrically. Further, the electric wires are run through holes hidden in the mechanism.
Quote from: sveinr on April 01, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
Hi all.
Have a look at this!
http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/rbc-congreve.html
It is written:
Dr. Winter also wished to produce, as much as possible, the illusion of perpetual motion. As he says in his 1923 article, "I have aimed in my design at hiding the means by which the inclined plane is rocked backwards and forwards; there is no visible connection between this and the hands although they obviously move simultaneously." To this end, the signal that the ball has reached the end of its travel and that the table should rock back is made electrically. Further, the electric wires are run through holes hidden in the mechanism.
Hi Sveinr and all,
I understand that Dr Winter used some modifications of his era (the 1920s) by using "electric wires" or "hiding the means" when he replicated the rolling ball clock. But from all this you quoted it still does not come the clock shown on display in the British Museum of London also works by some "hidden means".
Of course I do not know yet this for certain and nor do I know yet exactly how the tilting of the plane (i.e. the table with the grooves on its surface) is maintained but here is the description from William Congreve, the inventor's patent of 1808:
Fig. 4 is a clock in which the detachment is carried to a still greater extent. a, b, Fig. 4, is an inclined plane fourteen inches long and eight inches wide, having thirty grooves cut in it, as shewn in plan Fig. 5; along these grooves a small ball runs from a to b, or from c to d, according as the plane is inclined one way or the other. Now this plane is calculated at a certain inclination to give exactly one minute for the time of the ball's motion from one end of it to the other, where, having arrived at the lowest point, it strikes a lever n connected with the detent e, and unlocking it the maintaining power is allowed to act for a moment for the purpose of shifting the plane (which is most accurately balanced on a knife edge) into the position c, d, that the ball may run back again in another minute to the opposite extremeity of the plane, where it again unlocks the same detent by a corresponding lever m connected with it. The velocity of the ball is no greater at the bottom of the plane than at the end of the first groove, for the acceleration required in each groove is destroyed by the small brass deflectors z, z, z, z, &c., Fig. 5, at the end of each groove, which turn the ball into the opposite direction of each succeeding groove; neither is the ball allowed to stop the least instant of time during the shifting of the plane, but is immediately thrown back on its return by the action of a small crooked arm so regulated by its form and pressure as instantly upon the ball's striking the lever to throw it back, and keep it moving on its return until the shifting of the plane is completed with the mean velocity of its motion on the plane when so shifted, so that no inequality produced by the first power in the time of the planes shifting can make any variation in the whole time of the ball's motion from one end of the plane to the other, for, whether the plane rises faster or slower, the ball always returns at the same rate without a moment's pause.
The Figures are here: http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/rbc-congreve-patent.html
Obviously there must be more to this mechanics what is shown and I am not at all certain yet the clock on display in the museum is a hoax in that its operation is kept by a hidden source. I hope sooner or later we can learn more about it.
rgds, Gyula
also check out http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,368.0.html
Bill Mehess has invented a system in which a clock pendulum mechanism swings magnets into coils, allegedly generating enough electricity to recharge the clock spring as well as power other devices
http://pesn.com/2007/03/24/9500464_BillMahess_pendulum_clock_generator/ (http://pesn.com/2007/03/24/9500464_BillMahess_pendulum_clock_generator/)
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Bill's work can also be found here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,919.0.html
@FreeEnergy
OK. Peace! Sorry for having been "pushy".
Actually you can purchase a Congreve Rolling Ball Clock!
http://www.braithwaitesjewellery.co.uk/jewellery-detail.asp?pid=1841&lbsrch=&range=5 (http://www.braithwaitesjewellery.co.uk/jewellery-detail.asp?pid=1841&lbsrch=&range=5)
only ?4,450.00 inc. VAT or ?4,700.00 inc. VAT ;D
It is not said if you have to rewind it ???
Unusual Clocks:
Clocks that are powered by temperature change, rolling ball clocks,
grasshopper clocks, some superb talking point clocks
http://www.braithwaitesjewellery.co.uk/jewellery.asp?cid=71&lbsrch=&range=5 (http://www.braithwaitesjewellery.co.uk/jewellery.asp?cid=71&lbsrch=&range=5)
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Another vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejfzOCsX0jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejfzOCsX0jk)
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Hi Nerzdishual,
Thanks for the further info. Have you managed to figure out where does the force come from which lifts up the tilting plane (i.e. the table) when the ball is at its lowest point and bumps into a crooked arm?
Because if I consider the plane as a two arm balance and the ball just tilted it down on one side, then there must be another force taken from somewhere which is able to lift up at least the weight of the ball plus a little more so that the tilting of the plane should surely take place to the other side. Agree with this?
Gyula
Hi Gyulasun,
Yes, I agree with you...
How can this kinda 'seesaw' could be 'rearmed' ???
This device sounds incredible.
So, there could be a 'perpetual' (=long time self powered) Clock in the British Museum
that almost nobody was aware of?
At this very link:
http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/rbc-congreve.html (http://www.marcdatabase.com/~lemur/rbc-congreve.html)
They actually talk about "illusion of perpetual motion".
What do they mean by 'illusion'?
The mere question is: does this device need to be winded at regular intervals?
If not, this is, IMHO, a 'perpetual' gravity powered device, according that the only
'things' that seem to be 'perpetual' in this sad world are the income, land, local,
VAT, etc taxes. ;D
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it's all good my friend(s) :)
peace