TO OBTAIN MORE POWER SO THAT A CAR CAN TRAVEL FASTER WHY NOT USE WHAT IS AVAILABLE THAT WE HAVE ALL MISSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE GOING TO PLACE THREE ALTERNATORS IN DUCKTED HOUSING WITH IMPELLERS SO THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE FASTER THE POWER GOES UP THE MORE POWER WE GET THE MORE HYDROGEN WE GET AND THE MORE HYDROGEN WE GET THE FASTER WE GO AND THE FASTER WE GO ....ETC
THIS IS THE SOLUTUION TO THE POWER PROBLEM IN AUTOMOBILES AND WE NOW GIVE IT FREELY TO ALL INVENTORS...COPYWRITE ,SERL 15TH APRIL 2008 . WHY ? IN REMEMBERENCE OF OUR FRIEND AND CO WORKER WHO WAS MURDERED FOR THE KNOWLEDGE HE KNEW , WHICH LUCKILY WE GOT IN TIME ..............HIS KNOWLEDGE MAKES ALL THINGS WORK AND THEY THE FAT CATS KNOWN OR UNKNOWN MURDERED HIM FOR IT , THINKING HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO KNEW BUT IT IS NOW AMONGST ALL OUR GROUP AND ALSO KEPT IN VAULTS IN CASE WE ARE HURT . SO IN HONOUR OF HIS MEMORY WE DIVULGE THIS OUR LATEST AND MOST WE THINK IMPORTANT WAY TO ADVANCE CARS TO RUN ON WATER !!!!
VISIT US ON YOU TUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95ThCLkzi0I
FROM ALL AT SERL. IN WAYNES MEMORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could not get on to your U tube tried several times 8AM -8 15 am EST USA will try later sad story [gross understatement] but a great Tribute Chet
ok :
let us make this car run on electricity only ,so fans will drive alternators and alternators will drive the electric engine of the car.
it doesn't matter if fan moves (together with the car)in not moving air,or air moves around the standing fan(car is parked but the wind blows on it)- we need only relative movement.So we take the electric engine out of our car an connect another fan to it.This fan will blow the air on the standing car and make other fans move,those other fans will drive the alternators and alternators will drive the wind making engine.So basically one fan is driving the other ones.Let us skip the fans and connect engine directly to the alternators as it is more efficient than a fan blowing on a fan.So basically u say "connect the electric engine to drive the alternator that will drive the same engine"...
u see the point?
hi creativity
Samantha here
I think you kinda missed the point a little . the idea is to have the alternators in the front of the car driven in turbine fashion,ok. they inturn turn water into hydrogen which powers the car , so far so good ?
well as the car goes faster the production of power goes up, and fed to electrolyser makes more hydrogen which powers the car and as it goes faster the power increases and more hydrogen powers car so more speed etc etc .This is for long distance travel and as car is started up on normal small electrolyser as it builds up speed the smaller conventional electrolyser butts out and the bigger one cuts in.
what you are thinking off is the two australians who made a electric car , and re charged another set of batteries in a simialar manner and when full a circuit switched the chargers ove rto the depleted batteries ad infinuitum and went all round australia till (so im told ) they were paid off to the tune of 50 million dollars not to produce it as an electric car .
Our problem has and always has been getting enough power this way it works extremely well .we will be building once our drawings are ready a prototype to fit to our own family estate car . our aim is to tour britain with it all round the coast ,were an island !! and then start producing more in kit form , we do regard hydrogen as more efficient as a fuel than electric motors , why? well we live in a backward country and its cold and rains nearly every damn day here . so our cars have to be warm by using the normal motor and internal combustion system we get heat as much as we want , and honey i do like to keep warm.
so if you live in a warm place you make a electric car , us were sticking to hho,and good old internal combustion
have fun
Samanthaxx
hi all
Sorry to hear you cant get to our you tube site ,,so please try this , go to you tube in browser click on videos at left side got to science and technology then type in easy hydrogen production and that should do it , BY THE WAY I AGREE WITH THE WIFE WHY WERE STICKING TO INTERNAL COMBUSTION , AS IT IS DARN WELL COLD ,MISERABLE ,DAMP ,SOD AWEFUL COUNTRY IS ENGLAND AND IF WE EVER GET ENOUGH MONEY WE WANT TO LIVE IN USA , OR NEW ZEALAND ...ANY OFFERS???LOL
ALL THE BEST
KEITH SINCLAIR
hey Samantha
i understood very well what are u up to,i just tried you to show that u use the gasoline in the first place to force the movement of the car and the movement of the propeller.
You miss understood me.I made all of this example to show u that it won't work.I just switched to the electric engine as it has higher efficiency and so the whole hydrogen production and combustion imperfections will be omitted.Just wanted to keep the analogy simpler by using pure electricity
Ok second try:
Imagine the sport airplane(for example Cesna),it uses propeller to move it in the air.But this time we cut the wings out,so our airplane can only move on the ground like a car.To move propeller u use directly engine work and thus gasoline creates all the power to rotate the propeller.How works the propeller?So as its name tells us it propells the air.Spinning the propeller is sucking the air in front of it and pushing it away behind it.In this way air is forced to move in the direction opposite of the airplane.On the other hand air is pushing the propeller in the direction of movement of the airplane.This is simple action-reaction.Air is pushing the blades of propeller and the whole airplane attached to the propeller. To push the air u use work delivered by your engine,so it needs work to do it.Now what u r trying to do is:
u place another propeller connected to the alternator.As the airplane moves the second propeller spinns by the air moved around by the first propeller.You know already that to move the propeller u need to use force.In the case of second propeller it is the moving air that delivers all work to spin it.BUT why is the air in the movement?It is moved by the first propeller.So symplifing the engine moves the air and this air is moving the second propeller.So air is just the transfer medium.So putting all ineffcienties aside,u can say that the engine is moving the second propeller and alternator.So engine is moving the alternator.So engine is using its energy to create hydrogen.And guess why the engine has its power?becouse it is burning the hydrogen it just made...So if u go all the way in this chain u come to the point that u use hydrogen to produce hydrogen....
As u see the propeller u placed on the plane will create the drag force that will oppose (by action-reaction) the movement of the air.In other words the air will have to push it in order to spin it.Everything will be very nice BUT as u see the main propeller is draging the plane where the second propeller is draging it in the opposite direction.
It is as if the airplane had a second engine in the tail trying to pull the plane to move it backwards.
hi
We never said we were using gas to power the first stge ....what we did say was wed use a smaller electrolyser to start the car moving in the first place .
what we are working on is an impellor not a propeller , so basically we a re harnessing the wind that occurs naturally in travel .
what we omitted was the tye of electrolyser we are working on , it is different and when demonstrated will show the world but at moment it is unique in its contruction ,
we will show you all once one is constructed , but keith is just drawing it out now , we are not that fast lol
part will fit on automobile roof and another part somewhere else but not in the engine compartment , as in there will be the first stage electrolyser that will get the auto moving to around 30 mph then the other will cut in , and that one is turned off .
what may not be too evidednt is we are trying to make it a really safe system so it can be marketed easily .
we will release more once weve ironed out any imperfections , but our maths seems to say yes
but please remember we are not pulling or pushing the car !!!
hence we are using an IMPELLER and not a propeller .
hope it seems a little clearer
thanks for the feedback as we do read all letters , mainly cos its raining as usual.
stay safe
love
Samantha
ok say what is the difference? ;) it changes nothing but the placing,whenever u move the impeller or propeller through the air u have a drag force on the impeller/propeller that is always directed as to stop the movement.Any object that u move through the air creates drag. Agreed?So by introducing impeller or propeller u will always have a force acting against movement of the car hence forcing u to extract even more power from the engine just to keep car going as fast as it would go otherwise without this extra drag of impeller.So all the "extra hydrogen" will be used to overcome the extra drag u introduce with your impeller+extra gasoline will be consumed just to cover efficiency loses in the proces of electrolysis,alterantor and engine operation.Your netto energy will be minus,because u have impeller with efficiency below 40% alternator with efficiency of 60% ,electrolyser around 90% and combustion with efficiency 30%.It is total of 7% efficiency,in other words u will consume roughly speaking 14 times more energy than u wil produce.Impellor is here another chain in the process when u loose energy in conversion.U would stayed better without it.
I don't know what math are u guys using but i would like to see it.
What could work a bit is having an impeller charging your extra car battery when the car is parked.U can use then the wind that u have there in excess and for free.U can replace then the alternator of your car with a smaller model (the engine will use less work to spinn it) winning some extra power and milage.BUT when moving around your impeller should be taken off the car.
Ps:ur adding extra drag to your car so actually the air will push harder against it.And u are pushing your car with the wheels.So the engine is pushing the car against the air.
U didn't said u use gas to start the car moving,but that is true.U use car battery and alternator to run electrolyser in the first stage.Car battery is recharged by alternator.Alternator is using engine power to turn it.Engine is using gasoline.So u do use the gasoline to turn the engine,to torn the alternator to run the first stage electrolyser.
Is the impeller then harnesting all directions of wind (side wind,back wind, frontal wind),something like a stationary impeller adjusting to the direction of the flow of the strongest wind? in that case with increased speed of the car impeller will harness the strongest wind and it happens to be the frontal wind.I explained above why it will not work for the frontal wind.
@Creativity
A spur of the moment without research question:
If the impeller replaces the exact same vehicle frontal area that would normally incur 100% drag, does it cause 100%+ drag when spinning?
tak
@Sam,
Couple of things wrong here:
When you say "SERL" do you mean John R.R. Searl who invented the SEG (Searl Effect Generator), as far as I know he is still alive.
Its possible you mean Stan Meyer the inventor of the water fuel cell? Yep, he's dead, after eating at the wrong restaurant.
Creativity is right, putting a fan on the front of a car to generate power is pointless, you may as well take power straight out of the alternator as there will be a whole lot less waste in power from the engine. The only mistake he made was to refer to "math" and not "maths" which is short for mathematics, ahh well, an almost faultless argument.
Solar panels on the roof of the car to store up H2 is one way to go.
@Tak,
The front of a car is nice and smooth and the air is able to flow around it very easily, put a fan in front with the same cross sectional area, then a car behind that and the drag will be massive. One way to improve things is to reduce vehicle weight, close the grill when cooling is not required, fill in the wheel arches with panels, hide wipers in a panel and so forth.
Regards
Rob
hi all
well we figure that as we are taking away drag by allowing free airflow from front to back we must be gaining ?
as instead of the air hitting the front of vehicle it is being allowed to do a little work and then exit under the vehicle .
well were gonna make a test vehile , our own estate wagon , and well film it all for you . as we often state we dont believe in cant ..but can ................. i look at it this way if a wind is hitting a solid plate ok you have drag but if say it is made to revolve an impeller then it is not producing as much drag and is being set free under the auto.
best wishes
keith
Dear Megger man
serl is short for SINCLAIR ENERGY RESEARCH LIMITED uk registereed company
MATH MATHEMATICS WHATEVER AS LONG AS ITS UNDERSTOOD ,LOL
regards
KEITH
@Sam,
Oopps, should have read your first post a bit more carefully, looks like I put my foot in it, sorry.
If you have a unique way of extracting H2 from water then go for it. Even small amounts of hydrogen in an ICE will help but you need to play with the timing unless the engine can adjust its own MAP.
I look forward to your results.
Regards
Rob
Dear Tak
Interesting point which i think all people are thinking about
well were gonna make an experiment quite soon with two generators on front of the car and see what happens , imm tottally confident that i will be right and that all calculations are correct ,
it has already been done in a different instance i believe in austrialia but there to power an electric car ,
so im pretty confident the same idea will function for our slightly differnet use ,
well pop a film of the test on you tube at ouer normal place ,if you go to science and technology and type in easy hydrogen production we should pop up
regards
keith
dear megger man
thats ok ! yes we have a compterised ctroen so expect probs with it unless the computer speaks english ...lol from what we know the timing will have to be advanced up to 20 degrees , this is our one unknown factor .
have fun
regards keith
hi loner
point well observed .......syntax error
samantha
hi
To explain a point better , we intend to use a small hydralizer at first (no gasoline whatsoever ) then when up to speed the larger electrolyser cuts in shuts off the small one and runs the auto from there ,
well were gonna have a go and construct it , then well see how it goes .
keith sinclair
what is this hydralizer? Ok let me repeat myself : one thing is sure,any energy inside of the car is being produced by engine using gasoline as a primary energy carrier.Alternator uses engine power to make on demand electricity(battery has electricity in it because alternator keeps it also recharged),so if u use electricity in your hydralizer u run it indirectly on gasoline.By adding HHO to engine u will extract extra energy from gasoline and run on it more efficiently.Possibly this more efficient use of gasoline will outweight the energy used to produce HHO.In that case (i believe its real) u will have overunity.But until you run on gasoline u have something to extract more energy from.Once u start to feed more and more of HHO it will have not proportional increase on energy extraction from gasoline.In that case energy used to produce HHO will be even with extra energy extracted and with more HHO overunity will be lost.
Running on partial HHO and adjusting your engine to it i support with all my heart.Use of HHO as efficiency enhancer can work.
Loose from the other discussion:
Why to cut out the small one?let it run together with the bigger one.In that case u can make full use of your resources and secondary electrolyser can be build smaller in dimensions.
Quote from: samzoelisa on April 15, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
hi all
well we figure that as we are taking away drag by allowing free airflow from front to back we must be gaining ?
as instead of the air hitting the front of vehicle it is being allowed to do a little work and then exit under the vehicle .
well were gonna make a test vehile , our own estate wagon , and well film it all for you . as we often state we dont believe in cant ..but can ................. i look at it this way if a wind is hitting a solid plate ok you have drag but if say it is made to revolve an impeller then it is not producing as much drag and is being set free under the auto.
best wishes
keith
Yes you have some right here but not all the way.If u cut a section of your car and put an impellor in it you would have less drag if behind the impeller there is no more resistance.So it depends on how free flowing the behind of the impellor will be.Redirecting any air stream will produce a force on the redirecting surface.So car parts behing the impellor will set the drag even...All the drag points will sum up you must agree on that.
I am not intending to stop you from your research,just giving you weak points to think over.
hi creativity
good point , just started today . at first it will be atop the car to prove the point , if all goes well then someone will have to rediesign the car wont they , as i envisage it as a straight pipe flared at both ends reducing to size of impellor in middle then free flowing to the rear of vehicle .so you see there wil be hardly any drag that we can see more than a suitcase at most.
i do not see cars as they are now and am prepared to build a custom car to prove point .but at mo were contstructing it for the roof as then we can tinker with it as well, as for the impellor itself we had a large discussion about this , and are now looking into the fact that passage of air in restricted areas produces electricity (so weve heard ) so after long arguments and brainstorming if anyone can enlighten us on this subject were always open to new ideas .
we do accept that propellors ,impellers etc are very old hat and so look for new ways to use the power withing the tube to better effect and i myself am trying to redesign our first idea so there is virtually no drag but great force harnessed .
rushing air can be harnessed in many ways , and as i said were wide open for interesting ideas on this subject .ie : in the physics area of ions and ion drives etc . and electricity thru friction of air . all those sorts of things.
dont worry about sending us long letters as we love to talk things over with all of you out there as we have tons to learn , and are always open to suggestions .
was in the lab today trying to find where we put all our test instruments when we needed to gain space , sods law is we wont be able to get to them easy now . but that is life , now sods law and murphys law we believe in wholeheartedly lol lol ( we once owned a house with the no 13, and believe me all what they say about 13 and bad luck is true )
she (who has to be obeyedl Lol)said that as were gonna have a thing that looks like a jet engine on the roof for a while that we go the whole hog and buy a jet engine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! being a guy who likes all things jet etc my eyes glazed over as i turned to look at her ,lol ("Er on second thoughts forget i even mentioned it") she hastily added as i started wondering if hho would power a jet engine , well it would power a pulsejet ok , but be hell for the cyclist who gets barbecued behind my car in a traffic jam lol............................
women eh !!!
well that s my sunday spiel;
all comments gratefully recieved
best regards
keith sinclair