Unfortunatly our polatitians don't listen to much of anything unless it is backed up with $.
The way large groups and big business get their voices heard is by forming PACs .
What would be needed for us to start a PAC?
What kind of by laws would we need?
What kind of message should we sent out ?
The right message at the right time could find a huge amount of support .
It should be something simple .........like The PAC to end all PACs
Any ideas or thoughts about this ?
gary
Quote from: resonanceman on April 16, 2008, 08:37:48 PM
Unfortunatly our polatitians don't listen to much of anything unless it is backed up with $.
The way large groups and big business get their voices heard is by forming PACs .
What would be needed for us to start a PAC?
What kind of by laws would we need?
What kind of message should we sent out ?
The right message at the right time could find a huge amount of support .
It should be something simple .........like The PAC to end all PACs
Any ideas or thoughts about this ?
gary
Let me get this straight. You want to start a massive PAC and are really motivated to do this, but you can't be bothered to do a Google search to answer the most elementary questions of what is required?
Quote from: utilitarian on April 16, 2008, 08:55:36 PM
Let me get this straight. You want to start a massive PAC and are really motivated to do this, but you can't be bothered to do a Google search to answer the most elementary questions of what is required?
Can I see your badge officer?
I wasn't aware that we had "new topic" police here. :)
I simply thought it would be a good topic..
In my opinion it is a much better topic than endless crying about how little control we have .
At this time I am not planning on starting a PAC ........ but if the time is right .......all it takes is an idea to get the ball rolling .. if the time is right everything will fall into place .
My question would be .......... are people fed up with the corruption and secrecy of our governments enough to stop crying about it and take some action?
IF enough people are aware of the lies and corruption and really tired of it ....... all that is needed to start an avalanch is one little snowball .......
I don't know that we are there yet ........ But I do know that we are on the way there.
gary
@Gary,
I just posted on 9/11 topic about the same thing you are talking about. I would like to be in this discussion, but won't adopt to anything radical. A discussion of resolutions is something I feel is necessary
Brad
Quote from: icanbeatbob on April 16, 2008, 09:30:55 PM
@Gary,
I just posted on 9/11 topic about the same thing you are talking about. I would like to be in this discussion, but won't adopt to anything radical. A discussion of resolutions is something I feel is necessary
Brad
Brad
I agree
Anything radical would keep the majority of people from joining.
It really should only be about people standing up and demanding honesty and openness from their governments
gary
Gary, Here is something I wrote on an earlier post from 9/11. Tell me if you agree or disagree with any of this.
1. Our deficit is out of control.
2. Our taxes are high.
3. Our education system is rated pretty low, even though we spend more.
4. Our welfare system is in very bad shape and some are 5th generation recipients.
5. Our immigration rate is high and we pay for anyone who can make it here.
6. Our status with other countries is poor.
The list goes on. In trying to think about these things logically, it seems that there are those with different views. Some say it is because a democrate or republican are in office. Some say, things like this just happen. Some say officials sometimes make mistakes. Maybe it is just a combination of them all.
From my understanding of what I have seen, it sure doesn't look as though most of our elected are addressing these things to turn it around. I find it difficult to believe that we would be in worse shape without the decisions they made. We go into another country to save their liberty when we don't seem to be able to help ourselves very well, not to mention the lives of our young and the great cost it takes.
It is difficult to imagine that our government can take money from special interest groups to sway their vote when it is illegal in the private sector. Does this mean if we pay them will we get represented?
No one has to memorize or be an expert on the constitution to understand what it's intent is. Not many read it at all. It does recognize that big government is not good and it's intent is to not give the government too much power.
Brad
Quote from: icanbeatbob on April 16, 2008, 10:13:16 PM
Gary, Here is something I wrote on an earlier post from 9/11. Tell me if you agree or disagree with any of this.
1. Our deficit is out of control.
2. Our taxes are high.
3. Our education system is rated pretty low, even though we spend more.
4. Our welfare system is in very bad shape and some are 5th generation recipients.
5. Our immigration rate is high and we pay for anyone who can make it here.
6. Our status with other countries is poor.
The list goes on. In trying to think about these things logically, it seems that there are those with different views. Some say it is because a democrate or republican are in office. Some say, things like this just happen. Some say officials sometimes make mistakes. Maybe it is just a combination of them all.
From my understanding of what I have seen, it sure doesn't look as though most of our elected are addressing these things to turn it around. I find it difficult to believe that we would be in worse shape without the decisions they made. We go into another country to save their liberty when we don't seem to be able to help ourselves very well, not to mention the lives of our young and the great cost it takes.
It is difficult to imagine that our government can take money from special interest groups to sway their vote when it is illegal in the private sector. Does this mean if we pay them will we get represented?
No one has to memorize or be an expert on the constitution to understand what it's intent is. Not many read it at all. It does recognize that big government is not good and it's intent is to not give the government too much power.
Brad
Brad
I agree with most of that .
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Some say, things like this just happen. Some say officials sometimes make mistakes. Maybe it is just a combination of them all.
This part I don't agree with ...........Nothing " just happens " in DC
Our polatitions are not dumb ......they do what they do because they CAN get by with it .
Do you know what it is like to read even a simple bill that has been passed?
It has hundreds or even thousands of pages of legalese ........
It might have dozens or even hundreds of earmarks that have nothing at all to do with that bill .
Why would our political leaders make a point of creating such a hard to understand document?
There is only one reason ........ to hide what is really going on .
You won't get angry about what is going on as long as you have no clue.
If our polatitions wanted to be honest they could easily make the vast majority of bills simple enough so that anyone with a high school education could read them .
The vast majority of corruption would vanish if we could get congress to keep all the bills in simple language .
Of course ......none of them are going to agree to that .
gary
Maybe a prime function of a PAC like this should be to translate any bills in congress into simple english .......and make a brief summery .
That would get their attention .
:)
gary
Gary, my statements may have confused you. I was referring to many people, not myself. Sorry if I wasn't clear. So I think so far we are in agreement.
I do agree with your statements. Everything is kept complicated. Makes one mistrust doesn't it.
Uh Oh, company......will post later. Your views are a lot like mine.
Brad
Gary,
I have a suggestion on how to translate our laws so the common people can understand. Place an ad on the web stating anyone who can accuratley translate a certain law gets X$s. Maybe some struggling law school college student would do it. Then post it on the web for all to see. Once word got out the someone can make X$ for doing this, it becomes more popular and others get involved.
Just a suggestion.
Brad