Hi all,
I'm playing around w/ HHO production after stumbling across it on YouTube and being greatly encouraged by others that are willing to try.
In playing w/ different electrode designs I "discovered" a weird effect.
If I held my Ne? extra strong magnet next to a parallel electrode I'd built, it seemed to vibrate @ the same hertz hum as the battery charger supplying my DC current. I could also induce a swing in the DC side electric cords by waving the magnets next to it. It also gave the same types of vibrations.
When I tried the same things on the AC side I got barely (if any) vibration and no ability to influence the AC supply cord.
I appeal to the (much more than I) learned amongst you to help me w/ my pitiful understanding of electromagnetic as to why this would be?
Is it that DC power is N/S "aligned" and that is why it buzzes and the AC current is switching polarity too fast to generate the field to induce the buzzing?
What is the frequency I feel on the DC side? The hertz value of the transformer?
I'm very new @ this and apologize if this is a much touched upon subject that has easily found answers here @ OU.
Thank you!
[EDIT] (very poor) video of the effect available at http://www.youtube.com/v/cxSUan90Ry4
I DONT KNOW MUCH MORE THAN YOU.. BUT IT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PHASE OF THE AC AND IF THE DC LINE IS A DUAL LINE +&- THEN THERE IS A FEILD BETWEEN AND AROUND THE TWO LINES LIKE A LONG ELECTROMAGNET THE MORE AMPS THE STRONGER THE FEILD, THATS WHY IT WORKS BETTER ONE WAY THAN THE OTHER...PLUS AND MINUS ARE LIKE NORTH AND SOUTH
Thanks for the reply!
With fooling with it more, I've found the N/S = +/- affinity.
Strange as I would think of a magnetic field being generated as "wasted energy". Like the heat caused by resistance.
In your diagram (nicely done BTW!) the fields are shown in the coupled DC line as radiating much farther out to either side than it does where cord is joined. Does magnetic "resistance" (I would think of both fields trying to radiate out and feeling the opposing force of the opposing field where the cord is joined being resistance) ever generate heat?
I may seem very ignorant of some rather standard concepts with electromagnetism, but it doesn't matter. I see fear of failure as being an impediment and will continue to try "stupid" things as this is uncharted territory and the stupid thing that defies all logic might be the new rule of electricity that hasn't been found yet.
Thanks for taking the time to answer!
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Hey dude, The charger is 14 volts, ur mags have the capacity to interupt this service cuz the charge is heavy and slow and ur mags have pull. The ac line has about 120 volts alternating at 60 hertz. To visualize this, Seperate your ac lines ( hot/cold), put a magnet 10x more powerful than your using now and place it between the seperated lines, you will see it vibrate at the hertz rate with a certain torque power very different than what you feel on the dc line.
These two links have several parts after them, watch them both ALL the way thru ( about 4 hours worth). I believe ur brain will be that much more screwed up and knowledgable on the subject, and by the way, slick video link, INCOGNEATO!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=post;topic=4535.0;num_replies=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrD8a1_PcG4&feature=related
I read somewhere that the magnetic force of the magnet is like a static DC power.
Maybe DC power has some kind of infinite frequency and resonates with DC and not with AC. I'm also discussing if DC power has some kind of frequency and not 0. The answer for now is... DC power has a NO MEASURABLE infinite frequency. So, that doesn't means that DC power = 0 Hz.
If you wish to learn more about the interaction of AC with PMs....
Do a patent search: 5929732
TS
You're probably just seeing the effect of minor changes in the DC current caused by ripples in the DC voltage.
When you rectify AC (change it to DC) without power-smoothing capacitors you get a voltage that "ripples" between a peak and valley woltage. This is commonly ignored in battery chargers because for all practical purposes it has no effect on efficiency and smoothing the power would cost more due to additional parts. This ripple is also either exactly the same as the frequency of the AC (60Hz in North America) or double that frequency if your battery charger uses full-bridge rectification (More common).
The changing voltage in turn produces a changing current. The current flow is what creates and maintains the magnetic field. Fluctuations in flow = fluctuations in magnetic field.
Magnetic fields aren't a source of major loss in conductors because as the field contracts / collapses the energy used to create or expand them is returned to the conductor (Often all at once, which can be bad/damaging/dangerous and is why we use diodes, capacitors and other techniques to slow and otherwise reduce this effect).
Hope this helps with some of your questions.
INDUCING AN A/C EMF THROUGH A MAGNET IS NOT A SAFE THING TO DO!!!!!
YOU ARE RELEASING HIGH ENERGY PARTICLE RADIATION INTO YOUR SURROUNDING AREA.
THIS TYPE OF DEVICE SHOULD BE HEAVILY SHIELDED WITH LAYERED SHEET METAL OR LEAD>
SEE: MICRO-WAVE RADIATION
radiation is emmitted along the axis of magnetization, N to S, or S to N, depending on the direction of current at that particular moment.
the result is high-energy, short-wavelength radiation in a sphere at both ends of the magnet, radiating outwards inversly proportional to the magnetic field strength ( and subsequently the field strength at the miminum amplitude of the A/C signal needed to overcome the field)
if you use a ring magnet you can Direct the radiation down the center of the ring.
, and thats how we cook our food.
[ for those interested........]
Magnetc fields propegate Instantly. you cannot have too high a frequency for the field to respond. The 'delay' observed above a certain frequency, pertains to the physical mass of the magnetic material, not the field it is producing. If you overcome that 'delay' speed, the field will simply switch back and forth releasing the energy, it would have normally applied to the motion of the magnetic material.
With a D/C current, the motion is in one direction, causing a linear motion rather than a vibrational one. if you were to pulse the D/C current fast enough, (in opposition to polarity) you can produce the same effect, but in one direction i.e.:Microwave-Gun