http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=ffmop8puhr
so what new? old news dated from 5 years old like
new to me, Well how about for starts...This guy is alive and contactable? not in the dark like TPU Stevens.
I think there was a follow up story, I remember. It turned out to be nothing.
So seeing that this device was actuarlly taken up by media news coverage, then surely this must have been the real deal,because im sure tv news should be honest not fake, but where is it now? why was it not put into production and available to buy for the public?
Some people might not think there is a movement to suppress these ideas. The energy industry is the largest industry in the world. Its bigger than drugs, sex, or guns. I believe they suppress technologies like these for the same reason the pharmaceutical companies don't try to find cures. They want you on a monthly subscription. Why would Halliburton want you to run your car from your water hose? What are they going to do with all the gas stations every 2 miles if they cant sell you hydrogen at the pump? Why would your power company want to give you energy for free? Every time its the same story... Government gets involved and they say its 2 years before it hits the shelfs and you never hear about it again. Its always 20 years away.. Sure. Forget the patent. Post the entire thing on the internet and lets make the earth the place it should be.
Quote from: bobinaccounting on April 21, 2008, 05:42:04 PM
Some people might not think there is a movement to suppress these ideas. The energy industry is the largest industry in the world. Its bigger than drugs, , or guns. I believe they suppress technologies like these for the same reason the pharmaceutical companies don't try to find cures. They want you on a monthly subscription. Why would Halliburton want you to run your car from your water hose? What are they going to do with all the gas stations every 2 miles if they cant sell you hydrogen at the pump? Why would your power company want to give you energy for free? Every time its the same story... Government gets involved and they say its 2 years before it hits the shelfs and you never hear about it again. Its always 20 years away.. Sure. Forget the patent. Post the entire thing on the internet and lets make the earth the place it should be.
Oh noes, the government is suppressing the perpetual motion technologies. Every government. Around the world. In the entire history of mankind. Like before there was fast communication and guns. And they went back and deleted all the written records. Every one of them. Yes, every single one. And every webpage from here to Timbuktu, in perfect international coordination. Including Google cache. But they let bobinaccounting go on and live and expose them.
shure are such motorgenerators possible to construct them, they was also invented in other countries.
Shure is that the industrie and gouverments are not interested to produce them , because it will make problems in monetary , financial system also taxe system.
So this inventions will be payd from .. to close this "file"
Pese
The best business is: do not produced devices like this
@utilitarian
LoL you really have to have a dig at some one to make your self feel better dont you. ::)
Quote from: pese on April 21, 2008, 05:56:52 PM
shure are such motorgenerators possible to construct them, they was also invented in other countries.
Shure is that the industrie and gouverments are not interested to produce them , because it will make problems in monetary , financial system also taxe system.
So this inventions will be payd from .. to close this "file"
Pese
The best business is: do not produced devices like this
Why would they not use the technology to make free energy and then sell it? Cheaper than digging for coal.
Quote from: b0rg13 on April 21, 2008, 05:59:11 PM
@utilitarian
LoL you really have to have a dig at some one to make your self feel better dont you. ::)
We are just having a spirited debate. Is that OK?
"Oh noes the evil gov"... you mean the same one that did 9/11... Yea they have my best interest in mind.
Why would they not use the technology to make free energy and then sell it? Cheaper than digging for coal.
Answer:
Because the $ must go round.
You can make only money, if the money go round..
If all ist ceap . low cost or free ...
this will stop the "system".
Only "poor people" dream of this devices.
Rich people , will only have mor money, even its the last
that can be "pressed" out from you and others.
Please understand : THAT is the BUISINESS
Pese
Quote from: bobinaccounting on April 21, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
"Oh noes the evil gov"... you mean the same one that did 9/11... Yea they have my best interest in mind.
Thermite, WTC7, passports, tinfoil hats, no planes, cosmic death rays. Oh noes, it's a conspiracy.
No, not that one. I am talking about every government around the world suppressing these technologies. Hope the tinfoil is not interfering with your thought processes there.
You really have to insult people to make your point? I'm going to start calling you Bill Oreilly.
You have no idea who I am or what I know.. But the more you try to hurt me the more I believe you and know that I'm wrong.
You don't need every government to be behind this. The big ones have enough influence to control the small ones. Whats more likely big business suppression or that every inventor is crazy and a fraud?
Hugz for utilitarian because someone needs to.
I think you guys underestimate greed. If one person had free energy technology, there would be a monopoly. So the energy would not be sold on the cheap, it would just be a little less expensive than oil, etc. There is enormous pressure on people to make money, and to assert that someone would just sit on this technology and not exploit it is naive.
Name one time this has ever happened in the history of the world. Look at another vital resource, even more vital than energy - water. We have perfected the delivery of water to the point where the monthly cost is minimal - it is almost free. Look at communication. With the Internet, communication worldwide is almost free, where before it could cost a substantial amount to send a package or to make a phone call. Why have the telecommunications companies not suppressed the Internet?
Quote from: shruggedatlas on April 21, 2008, 07:04:27 PM
I think you guys underestimate greed. If one person had free energy technology, there would be a monopoly. So the energy would not be sold on the cheap, it would just be a little less expensive than oil, etc. There is enormous pressure on people to make money, and to assert that someone would just sit on this technology and not exploit it is naive.
Name one time this has ever happened in the history of the world. Look at another vital resource, even more vital than energy - water. We have perfected the delivery of water to the point where the monthly cost is minimal - it is almost free. Look at communication. With the Internet, communication worldwide is almost free, where before it could cost a substantial amount to send a package or to make a phone call. Why have the telecommunications companies not suppressed the Internet?
@shruggedatlas
I honestly believe,that more and more people look at the TV and whatching reports on war,and will not wait another 100 years,till the time of freedom and peace vor every individual in the world will become reality.
Since international news and information becomes a dayly available potion of shit,that one have to eat,since this time the
disgust against warfighting Politicians and their surrounding groups including all hidden clubs and illuminanti masons is growing up.
People loose their interest in Profit against all humankind.
People like you and i and all others here like to sit together,have a beer or enjoy live in another way,but are not interestet in fight agaist eachother.Why should we do that? There is no need to be evil.
I have been working in Israel and had many man and wifes become just my friends.I know,this people are not evil.
But their Goverment force them to do things that are evil. Later I was working with Palestines and see them as nice and good peoples and had many friends of them.They are not evil too.
I know,that the americans are good people,but i think,that the devil himselve is guiding the politicians and policemen to fight agaist the folks.But dont worry,i think,that the Devil has his Brothers in nearly all governments.Including in my own country. Here you can see many families sleeping on the roads,eating dirt and share a newspaper to cover themselves against the cold themperatures.They try to keep alive just like animals,while the politicians share their schampain and kaviar.
So it needs the Inventors to find a way out of the misery.
To me it is no question,why more and more people share their findings and inventions open source and free available to everyone who is interestet to make use of it.
They all want to make the world become a better place.
The internet is the tool for a better future.
And it is protected by their owners,who become monopolised companies. They want to keep their profits go on ,because
in these days big buisness is adicted to internet,as the news industries and the strukture for manipulation is it.
The telecommunications companies will not supress themselves and cut their own buisness.
Think about it.
I think at the 20th of June, we will see the things go on.
Till this date my frame will be build all ready.
helmut
p.s.: This link might show just another key to a better world
http://www.surphzup.com/index.html
The Internet was released by the government not the people. I believe Al Gore said he didt.....lol yeah right.
Anyway I believe greed has a factor. Here's what happens...
I create an Adams motor generator or any motor that runs on 12v DC that draws 200ma.
It generates 12v at 2A.
I use the design to build a bigger one. 24v DC source 400ma draw which generates 24v at 10A. (yeah right)
I publish the design/specs/drawings/material sources to the world/internet freely for everyone, even here on this website. (What a nice guy huh?)
2 million people replicate.......
One person/business patents it....
It is now illegal for me to use my creation and illegal for anyone else.
I go to jail for refusing to stop using my invention.
End of story.
So i'm pretty sure if the Power Industry doesn't stop it, some greed will. I'm still new to this but that's the pattern I see. An idea comes to light and suddenly, it's gone. Some may be fraud but i'm sure somewhere there are a few authentic working devices that have fallen into the mess of greed or conspiracy.
Quote from: poopypantallons on May 07, 2008, 06:22:33 PM
The Internet was released by the government not the people. I believe Al Gore said he didt.....lol yeah right.
Anyway I believe greed has a factor. Here's what happens...
I create an Adams motor generator or any motor that runs on 12v DC that draws 200ma.
It generates 12v at 2A.
I use the design to build a bigger one. 24v DC source 400ma draw which generates 24v at 10A. (yeah right)
I publish the design/specs/drawings/material sources to the world/internet freely for everyone, even here on this website. (What a nice guy huh?)
2 million people replicate.......
One person/business patents it....
It is now illegal for me to use my creation and illegal for anyone else.
I go to jail for refusing to stop using my invention.
End of story.
So i'm pretty sure if the Power Industry doesn't stop it, some greed will. I'm still new to this but that's the pattern I see. An idea comes to light and suddenly, it's gone. Some may be fraud but i'm sure somewhere there are a few authentic working devices that have fallen into the mess of greed or conspiracy.
There is a flaw in your analysis. Once an invention is published, it cannot be patented. The lone exception in the US is, and I believe this is still correct, the inventor can publish his own plans first and has one year to patent his own invention after that.
And even if something is patented, that is still not the end of it. Patent is good for 20 and that is all. I see some people talking about suppression of inventions from much farther back than that.
One final point, even if something is patented, so what? Do you know how much patent infringement is going on out there? Especially internationally. It is phenomenally expensive to protect a patent through litigation. Sure, some companies have these kinds of funds, but many do not.
Anyway, has anyone here actually heard of an energy company suing to protect a patent on a free energy device? Anyone? Even once in the history of patent law. Pleadings are a matter of public record. Anyone?
All this history sound like a big lie, just another bad input output measure.
That is the web page.
http://www.lutec.com.au/
The last new is from 2006, today is 2008 2 year and nothing in the market, then this must to be false.
I'm going to try a hybrid dc motor and unipolar generator with as much of bruce de palma's insites as possible. correct me if im wrong but I think the unipolar cannot run itslef with its own power because the effect is not receprocative which means ill need to incorporate a dc motor on the shaft to use at least part of the generated powere. will definately be a pulsed dc motor also. any input from you guys would be greatly appreciated. Also is there a reason most people use copper disks instead of aluminum, like an advantage I dont know about?
Faraday disc generators/motors (the homopolar motor) suffer from back EMF/back torque just like all the others. Build one, short the leads, and try to turn it, you will feel a force opposing you. Its because if you apply current to a homopolar machine, it will spin. But the spin direction is such that it makes the machine build a voltage that cancels out the applied source (well nearly cancels it out - under no load conditions). You place a load on the machine, you get a slip and the battery must constantly input energy.
The same goes for generator mode. You spin the homopolar machine and a voltage is produced. Connecting it to a load makes current flow through the machine in such a way that the flowing current creates a force that opposes your applied force - making it hard to spin.
I will say that Faraday disc machines are really neat, they almost have a mystical feel to them. I had an idea for a hybrid Faraday disc/synchronous machine mix but its very complicated to build (getting the positioning just right and establishing good contacts is an absolute nightmare!) I started to build it but stopped. I'd disclose it but I just don't feel comfortable with disclosing my ideas publicly. Its nice giving to the world but the world won't give back, and I have a family to feed!
Water falls from the sky, yet you still have to pay the water company....
Even if there was "free" energy" the government would just slap some sort of Energy tax on it and then have inspectors to check on you etc...
When big machine like factory made then why small wheel fluttering? Where he made this monstrum - in this dark camarilla? OK but then why not to install this only visible moving part correctly.
Not ably?
H.K.