I was brainstorming on adding a frequency onto the coil on the cheap. What would a car audio amplifier do? hook up the coil directly to where the radio would hook up to the speakers and play a certain frequency through it. is that AC or DC power coming out of the amp?
Quote from: Dr.Greenthumb on April 25, 2008, 07:39:35 PM
I was brainstorming on adding a frequency onto the coil on the cheap. What would a car audio amplifier do? hook up the coil directly to where the radio would hook up to the speakers and play a certain frequency through it. is that AC or DC power coming out of the amp?
I think that commercial audio amps use a push-pull system, so I assume that AC would be the result.
m guessing AC doesn't produce hydrogen?
AC can be easily converted to DC with just a diode or a full or half wave rectifier.
The important frequency for water is 42.8 khz, as discovered by John Worrell Keely in Victorian times. Some people use a pulse width modulated circuit (pwm) to achieve this. Check out the Workingwatercar or the hydroxy Yahoo Groups.
This seems like a tone or "frequency" would take a big part of the hydrogen production. Like speakers with air. Very very high powerd output speakers with enough force will produce enough force to see a noticeable sound wave through the air. If you have ever sat in a vehicle with a rather large stereo system(a clean 1000+ watts RMS) you could sit there with these test tones i have and actually see different materials react differently to certain frequencies at different SPL. Not to mention where the speaker is positioned in coordination with the surroundings(IE) stick a subwoofer in the middle of a room<stick the speaker facing a corner. if you go into the corner opposite and hear HUGE amount of base. i feel the same thing could be done to water. at such a high energy level it would split the water or even help it along the process.
::edit:: i probably should have posted this in the halfbaked ideas. if a admin can do it go fer it!
i have often wondered the same green, and i am also a car audio guy, it whould be hard to tell whats really making more hydrogen, unless you had very long test tones due to # of different things that can occure in a stereo, with thd and of course the power variances, i suppose with a small amp there whoulndt be a big difference in rms and peak, but it whould be kind of hard to replicate repeatedly since the cell has a certain amount of resistance, which is calculated in ohms but unlike a subwoofer i think the cell most likely wont be anywhere near controllable enought or mathematicly feasable since the output of amps are rated at 2 or 4 ohms and who knows what the cell is... thats where i got caught up... but hay it whould be great if you could take a reading off a cell and see where its at! my multimeter only is stable to 500milliamps if you got one where it can handle lets say 30 amps and also measures ohms do it!!!!! even if you come up with 14 ohms make another cell and parallel the biotches so you got 7, and then calculate how many watts your amp will put out at 7 ohms... i wonder how many ohms a cell is... any idea anyone???? i think i remember hearing stainless has a high resistance, so thats why i didnt buy testing equiment, but personally id love to hear and help anyway i can with this... and yes ac deos make hydrogen! the only thing is its 120 volts so youd need a bob boyce 61 plate cell so your at the recomended 2 volts per cell deal, and a normal ac powersource(your house) is only around 15 amps so youd have to rely on frequency to split like bob boyce deos i was almost ready earlier today to take a extention cord cut off one end and plug it into my house socket after hookeing up the other side to my cell but i figured i just pop the cuicut right away...just to try it though... as far as the bass reflecting in a corner and its louder in diferent area in a cell the sound waves would be compared to the magnetic field in a cell, the water in a cell fallows these fields and circulates accordingly, these fields can be altered with magnets, watch your cell closely and see how the water flows threw your cell. then hold a magnet on each side on the outside and watch the flow then, and you can intensify the field by wrapping electrical tape around your plates so the field is confined to the inside of the cell just dont tape the top and the bottom ... peace tony
I know what you mean by an audio amp not producing a constant current through. This magnetic thing has me really thinking.i would have to get some high powered magnets and try this out. i wonder what would happen if you put opposing forces on different sides of your cell? would it squish everything to the middle?
this will save you alot of testing time, the magnets i used i actually broke off some old subwoofers that i blew years ago that i kept because well i now have a nice collection and its kinda cool when you set em up right see.... i was kinda wasted in this pic though... ha http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/vdubdipr/?action=view¤t=h.jpg
but anyway i took some off some real crapy subs... alpine type e... and waved em around the cell kinda fun, then i took the ma audio sub and its got a double stacked 400 oz magnet wow. that really affected the movement but i didnt pull the magnet off i let it on because it was a 500.00 subwoofer.... only lasted a week! what a joke. but anyway its all interesting to say the least, do you have any instraments that could handle the amps when measuring the ohm load on the cell??
I have nothing to measure anything at the moment. Talking to a guy about selling me his fluke 88. I desperately need to find some better stainless steel and a new holding tank for them. i was thinking of hollowing out a old bike battery to do this. I'm using steel plates i bought from home depot in the electrical isle. They dont do too bad actually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8auns2F-ws
i couldnt find anything of use at home depot, try a small hardware mom and pop type place ive had luck there, or go to that guy you know who welds stuff, i recently found out a freind of a freind said hed even cut my 316l to whatever i need it to be!!! and they just sell it by the pound and it wount cost anymore to cut it for me!!!! now all i need is some money...
heres what i used http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=192282-334-93151-SP-L&lpage=none
they arn't that price in the store i think around 50 cents? i grabbed 6 of them for now. I know of a couple steel places around michigan that i might be able to pick some up im just really effin strapped on cash because of my gas hogs of cars
man... ive spent hours in lowes and home depot, i guess i should open my eyes... ive even looked for stainless switch plate covers and asked people too, if they dont work out for some reason or another read up on dallasgoldbugs postings in HHO ON DEMAND BY PRENDIV in his videos he shows the lil cups he gets at walmart 4 for a $1 ! and they work great im thinking of picking some up next time i have a doller... im pretty strapped too man... ive kindof noticed alot of fellow (including myself) hydrogen enthusiasts are broke! whats up with that eh? anymore thoughts on the amplifier deal?
maybe a real easy way just to play around with something take an old car cd player, one that has a fuse, and hook it up to a cell and play the radio or someshit, i woulndt exect too much though but i think it might be worth it keepnig in mind the cdplayer is only 25 watts rms. id do it but i dont have an old one laying around, i used to always have extra car audio stuff but i pawned it all off over the last couple years cuz i lost my licence and continued to drive untill i racked up literally $3500 dollers in tickets for just about everything they could imagine...
I have a kicker amp that im going to test along with a mp3 player i have and run these test tones i have (when i use to test out my system). i was actually able to use this setup to build a box that hit the best at certain frequencies. With the set up i have now it a kicker comp 15 inch in a pretty nice sized box and just rattles everything thats not bolts in GOOD with in 50 feet. all with almost no sound coming out of it! i think it was around 25-30 HZ. if you light a lighter it would look like it split the flame in 2 if you held it in the right place. If you hook up a tweeter to it and run a 8000hz wave it would make you drop to your knees. im wondering what it would do if you hook up the speaker power cable straight to the cell. i guess i should try it out tonight since finals are over.
just make sure you dont draw too much current out of the amp!! use an anl fuse inline on the power cord lower that the total of all fuses on the amplifier itself, i tried to hook up my cell to the wall outlet today... poped the circuit breaker right away even with the electolyte diluted way down..........3 times haha, just be real careful you know why... cross all fingers and toes, and cheack your warranty status on the amp, if you got a good feeling roll the dice, but you might not even make that much power cuz the amp varies in power output by the ohm load or total impedance, so if your cell has a high resistance then even if its a 1000 watt amp at 2 ohms @ 6 ohms it will only make 250 watts know what i mean? of course you do... if your into compititions, good to hear you got internal speakers/tweeters to back up the bass i hate it when you get in someones car and you cant even hear music,just bass you know... ive always been partial to aidiobahn myself, i had 3 12inch sound q aluminum cones, with a flame q 2000 watt rms @ 1 ohm and then ibut in a rca line amp booster to 10 volts so i had about 2200 rms, along with a old school ads 6 channel with 2 tweets and top of the line pioneer speekers, that was my favorite stereo, after i blew my 2 boston acoustic pros, then i got big into autotek amps and FI subs man FI subs are probubly the best thing out there right now, there NUTS. peace
yeah its a no go. The first time i hooked it up the power cord started to get a little hot and you could hear the 8000 hz tone i was putting into it! odd. tried a couple more times after that and it would just turn the amp off. im guessing it would need a full connection to actually work. Maybe if i hooked up a speaker to it as well as the cell it might work? something to try tonight.
if it was getting a lil hot it was probubly drawing too much current, although amps tend to get hot on there own, when i plugged m shit into the wall just before the cuircut breaker pooped the socket was buzzing alot and the loudest ive ever hear a socket buzz... maybe just use the tiniest amount of electolyte and wire the speaker in series to add ohms , so theres less worry of blowing the amplifier..
I forgot to mention I had the amp hooked up to the cell bridged (L neg to R pos) and didn't try it the other way. I could give that a go too. I spent most of my time yesterday cleaning the cell and trying to put spacer in it and lining it up. I think I'm going to head down to the steel place and ask them how much a sheet would be.And maybe have them cut it for me.
Ok, just an idea but here it goes,
For a simple idea to test how much sound resonance plays into this HH0 process why not do some simple experiments like take a glass beaker of water and mount small speakers on the outside. The glass should conduct the sound to the water inside fairly well. Inside the beaker you have some simple electrodes. Why not use razor blades? Should be fairly high grade stainless steel.... Put one over the other and separate by some 2-way tape, (or glue or whatever) say enough to get a 1 mm space, it's easy to change and add more if desired but start simple by having just one anode and cathode... Start by tuning different audio frequencies , either through a signal generator or a software program. Combine this with the electrolysis process and see what happens when you change the audio frequencies. Worth a try perhaps? I don't think a kicker amp is needed, what is needed is more finesse. Without applying any power to the electrodes it should be possible to see what frequencies effect the water and then try using either regular or pulsed D.C electrolysis and see if there is any performance increase when you notice any sound/water resonance. My guess is there should be. Anyone else want to experiment with this?
yes we know frequency plays a LARGE roll in the process we just think if a guy could go and buy a cheap ass amp and hook it up to a cell that would be alot easier to do then build a stan meyer pwm.
amplifiers have very easy to use crossovers and can boost frequency, this is why hes trying a car audio amp, neither one of us though have a cheap amp to experiment with thats wh hes using the kicker. if you read up on bob boyce youll understand how this will work with ac current and frequency also. he used 61 cells though......
You could use the amp and speakers from your computer for this, I'm guessing they would be powerful enough plus there is lots of free sound generator s/w out there.. But yes I see value in trying what your talking about also and I hope you guys follow through with it. :)
today i got a blown 920 max kole audio amp. a blown kenwood 760, and a blown 4 channel 250 rms rampage.... cheap amps but i fixed the rampage, and the kole now makes very distorted music, to test them i use my battery charger and hook the remote straight to the positive, then use my ps2 for the rca in and yeah, so imma try out the rampage, and if it blows oh well they were all free anyway! and maybe ill just fix it again... imma try it right now and see... peace
led power indicator light dimmed as the amp buzzed when i turned up the gain and no hydrogen, i think it is still plausable though, because who knows that the impeadance of the cell is....
try hooking your amp up to a battery too with the charger. i tried mine with just the charger at first and the sound kept cutting out.
::edit:: im trying to read all over that high voltage hho thread by iron head.i didnt know you dont have to have all the plates touching each other! i have a lot of steel just not stainless steel. does it have to be stainless for testing purposes?
yeah i have a deep cycle marine optima that i hook the charger up to at the same time, and an auxillary can be separate on pos. and neg. wing nut terminals. i would not have any of the plates touching because then the current can go right threw to the next plate instead of traveling threw the water via the electrolyte, making hydrogen. as far as the stainless see if you can find the bolt in my cell that i didnt know wasnt ss. the cell only had been running for about 15 min. total time!
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