The MythBusters did it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ)
In my honest oppinion.... The Mythbusters duo are a couple of bellends. They even busted the "Spud up the exhaust trick", they did that with a big engine. I actually know that it does work on a 1.4 Renault engine. Coz I spudded a teacher's exhaust pipe when I was at school, I hid and watched as he tried to crank the engine, and it did not start ;D. And yet, those two prats said that it was a myth.
They sure do look like oil bandits to me :P.
They did a similar thing to the Hamel device.
The one thing that show does well is blowing stuff up. (Such as a trombone filled with gunpowder, or a cement mixer packed with several hundred pounds of high explosive.)
I don't actually hate them coz they can be comical buggers sometimes. But a lot of the time, they do talk a load of tripe.
Maybe Bendini himself shoud post a proof - without confusing us with millions of wires, volt-meters, amp-meters around and in front of the motor? Maybe Mythbusters should have the original Bendinimotor to do tests on?
Guess what: It would probably be busted anyway - that's my guess. It IS a fantacy most (I think all) of these motors - no doubt.
Vidar
Quote from: Low-Q on May 27, 2008, 01:54:18 PM
Maybe Bendini himself shoud post a proof - without confusing us with millions of wires, volt-meters, amp-meters around and in front of the motor? Maybe Mythbusters should have the original Bendinimotor to do tests on?
Guess what: It would probably be busted anyway - that's my guess. It IS a fantacy most (I think all) of these motors - no doubt.
Vidar
I agree with you that Bedini should simplify how the device is presented, but MythBusters should also do the experiment properely and profssionally without laughing in the inventor' face.
Quote from: Low-Q on May 27, 2008, 01:54:18 PM
Maybe Bendini himself shoud post a proof - without confusing us with millions of wires, volt-meters, amp-meters around and in front of the motor? Maybe Mythbusters should have the original Bendinimotor to do tests on?
Guess what: It would probably be busted anyway - that's my guess. It IS a fantacy most (I think all) of these motors - no doubt.
Vidar
He should post jackshit. If you were really looking for free energy you would have a motor by now in your basement. What you are looking for is the same old story of companies ripping you off for a bad readly built machine that rips your ass and wallet apart.
I like the idea of the bedini motor, but never fully understood exactly how it works.
I love the show and while they may fail to cover every angle the mythbusters are pretty thorough with there testing...
I am glad to see these things are being tested on this TV show and think more OU stuff should be on this show... They seem to hate gas saving and energy expiraments though... But it is what people wanna see...
I have seen them wrong before and they do take advice from people on there forum if you post it... or mail however it works the are only two guys though with a network limited budget not even they have the time to test every possible combination.
But they have made some fairly interesting discoveries trying to bust myths as well... Expirements that even seemed to supprise them ...
Enjoy
-infringer-
Problem with Mythbusters is the masses of people who watch them have no clue how things work and so they believe the shit they are being told and sold on that show, because "hey it's on TV so it must be true, right?" , "It's Discovery channel, it's real science, man!" ... just laughable.
Those are (the above mentioned masses) the peddlers of the popularistic culture, wannabe intellectual kinds who catch on buzz words and then repeat them like parrots among their friends to sound intelligent, important, or to simply be in the spotlight for a moment.
I propose a new show called "Mythbusters Busters", that will debunk the debunkers because they are obviously not doing an objective job at that. Then again the TV was never about truth to begin with, not in today's day and age where 75% of programming is a "video news release" of some kind, paid by the corporate fascists selling us some shit or just maintaining their monopoly.
Planet Earth is the only planet where humans sell their own kind for petty profit and short lived spot in the light (read: to hold some power over) because ultimately with death they lose that power, but then again there are other suckers left to reign over...
Back to Bedini, as he said, they (Mythbusters) did not replicate the original experiment exactly and therefore did not "bust" anything. There was no science in what they have done even with two MIT guys there. When they replicate exactly as Bedini made it and it does not work they can call it "busted". Thing is, others have replicated it and it appears to work so not so sure about "busting" that one.
Quote from: amigo on May 27, 2008, 08:10:53 PM
I propose a new show called "Mythbusters Busters", that will debunk the debunkers because they are obviously not doing an objective job at that. Then again the TV was never about truth to begin with, not in today's day and age where 75% of programming is a "video news release" of some kind, paid by the corporate fascists selling us some shit or just maintaining their monopoly.
Well, you can start. Why don't you show us an overunity Bedini motor?
Quote from: utilitarian on May 27, 2008, 08:16:28 PM
Well, you can start. Why don't you show us an overunity Bedini motor?
Because most of you armchair scientists want something out of nothing and there's no such thing. Bedini's systems work because the energy is extracted and then converted/stored. As the saying goes you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy.
What Mythbusters "busted" was not what Bedini designed, built and others have replicated period. Whether it is an "overunity" machine or not is irrelevant in this argument - the fact that Mythbusters did not follow the proper "scientific" protocol in replication is. That alone in my eyes is enough to put them into a category of lackeys of the corporate fascist interests and not honest debunkers of crazy claims as they portray themselves.
Quote from: amigo on May 27, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Because most of you armchair scientists want something out of nothing and there's no such thing. Bedini's systems work because the energy is extracted and then converted/stored. As the saying goes you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy.
What Mythbusters "busted" was not what Bedini designed, built and others have replicated period. Whether it is an "overunity" machine or not is irrelevant in this argument - the fact that Mythbusters did not follow the proper "scientific" protocol in replication is. That alone in my eyes is enough to put them into a category of lackeys of the corporate fascist interests and not honest debunkers of crazy claims as they portray themselves.
You are quite right, you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy. In this case, you can live off the interest. ;)
Quote from: Bulbz on May 27, 2008, 08:45:34 AM
The MythBusters did it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ)
In my honest oppinion.... The Mythbusters duo are a couple of bellends. They even busted the "Spud up the exhaust trick", they did that with a big engine. I actually know that it does work on a 1.4 Renault engine. Coz I spudded a teacher's exhaust pipe when I was at school, I hid and watched as he tried to crank the engine, and it did not start ;D. And yet, those two prats said that it was a myth.
They sure do look like oil bandits to me :P.
For the peoples that know what is a Bedini motor, what they have replicated is just not the Bedini motor, the coils are wrong, rotor is wrong, everything is wrong.
Its more a pulse motor what they have accomplish nothing more.
Quote from: amigo on May 27, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Because most of you armchair scientists want something out of nothing and there's no such thing. Bedini's systems work because the energy is extracted and then converted/stored. As the saying goes you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy.
What Mythbusters "busted" was not what Bedini designed, built and others have replicated period. Whether it is an "overunity" machine or not is irrelevant in this argument - the fact that Mythbusters did not follow the proper "scientific" protocol in replication is. That alone in my eyes is enough to put them into a category of lackeys of the corporate fascist interests and not honest debunkers of crazy claims as they portray themselves.
The Mythbusters guys are pretty far from fascist. Sure, they have made mistakes, but the show is good natured, and most of the myths that are busted have nothing to do with corporate interests. Examples:
Shooting a bullet through another sniper's scope
Being killed by falling bullets
Getting sucked into a toilet
How many times can you fold a piece of paper?
Diet coke and mentos
Sliding down a sail by using a knife to cut the sail on the way down
How do you get fascist out of this? They poopoo one little darling of the free energy community, and now they are fascist? Come on!
And as far as what Bedini designed, I am curious, is there is single practical application of the Bedini motor that is actually used commercially? If not, maybe the guys are not far from wrong. The Bedini motor runs, but it doesn't do anything useful, so screw it, it may as well be busted.
utilitarian,
If you wish to use my words, please use them in context and exactly quoted, otherwise this discussion is over.
I said "lackeys of the corporate fascists"...
The guys might be good natured (although I take that with a grain of salt) but they are far from competent or unbiased which is evident from the Bedini fiasco. They have obviously approached the issue with already determined outcome which is clear from the intro to the segment where one of them (is it Adam?) is talking about the "Holy Grail of free energy" while other (Jaime?) remains the adamant skeptic.
It is just sad how scripted the whole thing was and bluntly obvious that the experiment would fail because they did not replicate it to the letter, missing to include certain parts/components, etc. That is NOT scientific and claiming that they are is hypocrisy, whether you like it not. Mythbusters might have (or not) "busted" other things successfully, but having failed to be truly scientific with Bedini one indicates to me that all the other claims they have "busted" should be re-examined as well.
In any case, what I'm talking about are facts, and it is all there recorded for posterity and now available on YouTube to be examined. Perhaps some day we'll see a rebuttal although I am not holding my breath...
Didn't this "busting" happen years ago?
As for it not being fair & accurate - according to Bedini himself, the thing didn't even have magnets, even with some git from MIT there to 'guide' them!!!...
A hatchet-job, pure and simple - the SG motor was making headlines at the time, so 'they' decided to act...
Didn't they also "Bust" one of the HHO systems as well? I saw that show and their design was just as half assed then as well.
One might say that the Mythbusters entertain a vast audience with half-vast experiments. ;)
The 'mythbusters' serve the same intended purpose as soap operas and sports in corporate media...they provide a distraction for a particular segment of society.
Turn off the TV...tune in to reality.
Regards...
Quote from: Nomen luni on May 29, 2008, 04:25:28 PM
I love the Mythbusters. They're a hoot. I actually think what they do is pretty good science on the whole. They use controls and try to investigate many options. If there's a problem with their Bedini setup, write in. They have revisited certain myths in the past. Who's seen the 'do women fart?' episode?
You actually appear to believe they pursue an unbiased exploration of scientific issues - maybe they do when it comes to low-brow, frivolous fart-examples - but anything relevant, not a chance! They are bought-and-paid for when it comes to stuff that matters - the Bedini motor & acetone being two prime examples they did a hatchet-job on, and possibly HHO as someone posted above. Let's see, all energy related too - methinks I see a pattern...
As for writing-in - I recall reading that the Bedini loyalists did just that at the time, to no avail. Hell, those wankers (MythBusters) didn't even contact Bedini himself at the time! "Fair and impartial"? - I think not...
Yeah, right.
That?s why Bedini kept discovering free energy in the last thirty years or so while paying the power bills.
It makes sense: MythBusters were too afraid that another ?free a la Bendini? would shake the whole world. LOL
Quote from: utilitarian on May 27, 2008, 08:16:28 PM
Well, you can start. Why don't you show us an overunity Bedini motor?
Where would you like me to start? Where are your replications? The myth busters piece on JB's motor was a sham. No one builds an alternator without magnets and then says that it doesnt work period. And their switching device was pitiful. Reminds me of some of the ill informed comments of certain indivduals on this forum.
Cap Z ro, your spot on with your last remark.
"And as far as what Bedini designed, I am curious, is there is single practical application of the Bedini motor that is actually used commercially? If not, maybe the guys are not far from wrong. The Bedini motor runs, but it doesn't do anything useful, so screw it, it may as well be busted." -Utilitarian
Lol. Which design are you reffering to? All of them I assume, you obviously havent done your homework. There are plenty of uses (including torque) if one but builds the correct device with the correct materials and voltage input. Oh let me guess you've built a simple SG MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR with a tiny coil and tiny magnets and then proceed to flame it when its not powerful enough to drive your car?
Tinu, Bedini was actually accused of stealing power from the power companies so they disconnected his workshop. Its one thing to "discover" and another thing to build a device that powers your whole house/workshop. Funnily enough when power was disconnected his lights were still on at night.
But back on topic, the mythbusters episode was enough to make any backyard tinkerer let alone scientist laugh out loud. Leave out half a design and of course it wont work! I think they teach that in primary school....
Mr Bedini quite rightly pointed out why the Mythbusters setup did not work. One must then assume that Mr Bedini's own setup DOES work. It follows logically that he may claim the Overunity prize.
Has he claimed it?
Does he qualify?
The questions above are rhetorical of course.
ERS
Quote from: Ren on May 30, 2008, 08:47:48 PM
Lol. Which design are you reffering to? All of them I assume, you obviously havent done your homework. There are plenty of uses (including torque) if one but builds the correct device with the correct materials and voltage input. Oh let me guess you've built a simple SG MECHANICAL OSCILLATOR with a tiny coil and tiny magnets and then proceed to flame it when its not powerful enough to drive your car?
So I take it you do not actually know of any practical Bedini applications, you are just assuming that there must be, because the technology is oh so useful.
None of the Bedini devices produce more power than they consume, so it is nonsensical to talk about scale and producing "enough" power. The devices produce zero power. As far as I am concerned, the myth is busted, unless of course someone can show a perpetual Bedini device.
Maybe the Mythbusters did not bust the myth correctly, but their end conclusion was correct.
@ Utilitarian
My Bedini SG is now my battery charger. I have quite a few 12v SLA i use for lights etc. I power it using my bench top PSU and here is the good thing, it has improved the capacity of the batteries I have been using in the 6 months of use AND I have reconditioned an old car battery for someone with the same machine.
Plus, if the technology shown by the Bedini SG motor has no merit why is Mr Bedini's company selling battery chargers http://energenx.com/products.html (http://energenx.com/products.html)
Build one or buy one and find out for yourself.
:)
Mr. Bedini has been busy hasn't he...in contrast the Bedini Busters appear barely qualified to clean his electrodes.
Regards...
Quote from: utilitarian on May 31, 2008, 12:06:18 PM
So I take it you do not actually know of any practical Bedini applications, you are just assuming that there must be, because the technology is oh so useful.
None of the Bedini devices produce more power than they consume, so it is nonsensical to talk about scale and producing "enough" power. The devices produce zero power. As far as I am concerned, the myth is busted, unless of course someone can show a perpetual Bedini device.
Maybe the Mythbusters did not bust the myth correctly, but their end conclusion was correct.
No Device produces more power than it consumes :D Infact, no device consumes energy, hows that for your pickle? And are you asking for power, or perpetualism? You say the myth is busted unless someone can show a perpetual Bedini device. So if I can make it spin itself indefinately this qualifies?
You think that the average replications are an indepth study in electromagnetics that covers all the principles and there cant possibly anything more learned? You think the average replicator has a budget to actually make a beast of a machine? One that puts out your 500 watts for your big screen tv? The SG circuit is just that... a School Girl circuit. You are getting schooled in your very first class of Electromagnetism.
So Mythbusters successfully busted what.....you cant build something you dont understand? wow who would of thought.......
"These first Bedini systems just now entering very limited production are not overunity"
surprising?
http://cheniere.org/techpapers/Bedini%20charger%20explanation.htm
Well, there you have the last word! If Mythbusters said it doesn't work, it's all over. They are after all, so incredibly scientific in their approach.
C'mon, really! If you believe these morons, you probably also believe everything in National Enquirer. lmfao
Quote from: Bulbz on May 27, 2008, 08:45:34 AM
The MythBusters did it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ)
In my honest oppinion.... The Mythbusters duo are a couple of bellends. They even busted the "Spud up the exhaust trick", they did that with a big engine. I actually know that it does work on a 1.4 Renault engine. Coz I spudded a teacher's exhaust pipe when I was at school, I hid and watched as he tried to crank the engine, and it did not start ;D. And yet, those two prats said that it was a myth.
They sure do look like oil bandits to me :P.
Hey, don't dis the National Enquirer !!
If it's good for the MIB it ought to be good for us :D
"Lackeys of the corporate fascists" is a fitting description of those bungling clowns.
Bad science makes for good entertainment - but it really is screwing with the kid's heads and making them skeptical of interesting things that really do work. They made a hash of the Tesla oscillator bridge destroyer one too.
They are too visible and have too much influence to be able to say anything "unapproved". The media is totally controlled anyway.
I don't like Mythbusters as much as I used to.They only seemed interested in blowing things up.I saw their show on hydrogen boosters and was not impressed.My brother had bought one and installed it in his truck.He drove me around in it when I came to visit him .The truck had a lot of pep to it.Sorry to say,mythbusters let me down,when they said these things don't work.Triffid
Do you think is posible to present this project to the MysthBusters:
I try at the web-page but no, can you tell me how, please.
And is with any compromisse, just information.
The Gearturbine, power by barr, with retrodynamic dextrogiro vs levogiro effect, at non parasitic looses system, and over-unit engine. details:
www.geocities.com/gearturbine
are you sure you want them to have it?I think they will present it in a bad light.Triffid
Well we know for sure that they can blow it up. :)
They kinda remind me of the 2 guys on SCTV who blew everything and everybody up...John Candy was Billy Saul Hurok. :)
Regards....
I think its time to debunk the mythbusters. Anybody want to contribute to it let me know I will be putting up a website to expose and denounce those stupid cocksuckers.
I have the domain http://www.mythbustersdebunked.com/
Send any info that will help expose their stupidity such as the bedini motor thing made with no magnets to me at lights@theledman.net and I will be putting some of it up on the website. Thanks
I welcome any rants, no limits.
V
Quote from: vzon17 on June 30, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
I think its time to debunk the mythbusters. Anybody want to contribute to it let me know I will be putting up a website to expose and denounce those stupid cocksuckers.
I have the domain http://www.mythbustersdebunked.com/
Send any info that will help expose their stupidity such as the bedini motor thing made with no magnets to me at lights@theledman.net and I will be putting some of it up on the website. Thanks
I welcome any rants, no limits.
V
I have an idea. Why don't you put up a selfrunning Bedini motor? (Don't forget to use magnets!) That will debunk them and good.
Why waste your time attacking a TV program? It's entertainment.
Those people who let their minds form by TV won't care about this and your website.
The kids who do believe them will sooner or later find running wfc's and bedini's on utube.
Quote from: vzon17 on June 30, 2008, 07:24:04 PM
I think its time to debunk the mythbusters. Anybody want to contribute to it let me know I will be putting up a website to expose and denounce those stupid cocksuckers.
I have the domain http://www.mythbustersdebunked.com/
Send any info that will help expose their stupidity such as the bedini motor thing made with no magnets to me at lights@theledman.net and I will be putting some of it up on the website. Thanks
I welcome any rants, no limits.
V
They once tried to see if the jet engine from a jumbo jet could flip a passing car behind it. So they used some crappy engine and it didn't work. Then on a show called Top Gear, they actually took a jumbo jet and put it to 70% throttle (any more and it would rip up the asphalt) and they ran a few cars behind it which immediately started flying....
Also, I saw they tried to make the HHO booster but they used distilled water without electrolyte and it did absolutely nothing! DUHHH... no shit, distilled water isn't exactly a great conductor.
I really hate mythbusters after finding all this out. Yea it does seem scripted, they even said such things as "were going to fight back the oil companies" hardy har har when building the HHO generator. What a bunch of idiots...
Yes it is, I try to present my projects www.geocities.com/gearturbine at Mythbusters page but I dont have a feedback realy.
And for sure I present my projects to blow up or werever,
But a details question cut be:
What about the retrodynamic dextrogiro vs levogiro effect?
Its a very high plus in Horsepower motor (turbine) engine. Or what?
Yes or No. Tic Tac Toe.
Agree with bourne. I have built a basic SG (school girl motor) with a friend and we are seeing results and it's spurring us on to try other things.
I watched the mythbusters with the bedini motor. But I was fully aware of what one was and the concept behind it, Plus vital specifications within design. I was screaming at the telly by the end of the program. They made so many mistakes it was obvious they had no intentions of trying to prove if this worked. Clearly another piece of American proper ganda trying to tell us we have no option but to deplete all our fossil fuels and destroy our atmosphere at the same time. The developers of these motors are very open with everything. I urge anyone interested in the SG SSG and monopole motors to check this video http://www.veoh.com/videos/v6261564q8pAYnjY?rank=2&jsonParams={%22numResults%22%3A20%2C%22rlmin%22%3A0%2C%22query%22%3A%22Energy+From+The+Vacuum%22%2C%22rlmax%22%3Anull%2C%22veohOnly%22%3Atrue%2C%22order%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22range%22%3A%22a%22%2C%22sId%22%3A%22552991699993703424%22}&searchId=552991699993703424&rank=3
All items used in construction are standard electrical components available to anyone. But kits with pre wound coils can be found on yahoo monopole groups.
Sorry, I would also like to add. It is wrong programs like this deter people from the truth. I was speaking to a friend who I hadnt seen for some time about radiant energy and I brought up the monopole motor, AKA bedini motor, he jumped down my throat and said it dosent work.. I seen it, They debunked it on myth busters and proved it to be impossible to get more out than going in". The program had blocked his judgment to question the topic, He was so sure he was right(So many people beleive what they see on TV).. He was unaware till moments later that I had built one and was getting on far better than they did. I have never trained in any kind of electrical engineering of any type and my only knowledge of electric or anything to do with bedini motors I had learnt from hours of trowling the internet for information. The fact that a 9 year old girl replicated this at a school science fair shows how messed up mythbusters really are.
Question everything. We live in a world of ignorance and our goverments know it.
Quote from: Bulbz on May 27, 2008, 08:45:34 AM
The MythBusters did it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ)
In my honest oppinion.... The Mythbusters duo are a couple of bellends. They even busted the "Spud up the exhaust trick", they did that with a big engine. I actually know that it does work on a 1.4 Renault engine. Coz I spudded a teacher's exhaust pipe when I was at school, I hid and watched as he tried to crank the engine, and it did not start ;D. And yet, those two prats said that it was a myth.
They sure do look like oil bandits to me :P.
Hey! What was the name of that episode? I have say this episode only once on TV. There was couple of more OU devices they was testing, can somebody say the name of this episode or where I can download it?
Thank You!
What about offer and present my projects to check the "Retrodynamic" dextrogiro vs levogiro effect, in a episode. Not the complete project just basic retrodynamic simple move in a lab.
Just to see if can be efficient and posible, as a global technology tsunami trends change.
Its simple and interesting. Why not, realy, Cut be plenty subjects. Not you think.
And is time than somebody try to kick my gr,ass ;). I say in my field.
Well I present the project at his site. But realy they dont have any compromisse about.
And I just want a know how I can get the attention.
Pass the voice. Please.
www.geocities.com/gearturbine
Thanks.
They didn't even use Magnets! I'm not a mind reader but look at the expression on the walruss guy's face, you know the " Navy Seal " guy.
He knew. Yeah he Knew! . I think bedini has it working without magnets, Watch the vid where he's charging his golf cart. Rolls and
Rolls of Transformer wire just piled up. No tight coil, No magnets. If you can set the resonant frequency it will self charge.
Tesla knew this, See I think you have to wait for the return vibration before you send the next pulse. Thats why it took so long to reach
its resonance or sweet spot. I think they took a Jack Hammer and started adjusting the pulse rate. Not the same thing at all.
Kinda like a P.I.D. loop no.. poor example. Oh well I'm no Tesla, I think I'll start with rocks..Humm.Quartz Crystals. Wow there glowing!!!!!!
I saw this one on u-tube. They use these honking big relays for running starter motors on cars.
Do you know how much current just the coils on those relays draw? I thought it was funny
when the guy says; "Yeah, you know you can hear it slowing down". It would been neat
the guy would have added; "Well, this ones not working we better send it back to the art
department and have them do some more work on it"...Bad show Discovery and MIT.
:S:MarkSCoffman
These free energy technologies will be used eventually. The people that create the resistence shown in the fake program of mythbusters will lose in the end. They are just in the death-throws now, thrashing about while they slowly die. They need to learn to accept change. If we hadn't accepted it before, we'd be riding around in horse and buggies.
Message to anyone blindly supporting the mythbusters - Go to yahoo group Bedini_Monopole3 and build the machine yourself .You'll see it works. I did it.
Message to anyone from the Mythbusters. Kiss my ....
Quote from: marcusishere on August 20, 2008, 09:47:20 AM
Go to yahoo group Bedini_Monopole3 and build the machine yourself .You'll see it works. I did it.
It works? Do you mean that you can get the wheel to spin for a while, until batteries are depleted, or do you mean it runs forever, producing excess energy from apparently nothing? If you mean the latter, well, maybe you should share your laws-of-physics-shattering discovery with the rest of the world rather than keeping it for yourself, because I am sure all the poor people of the world could use free energy. If you mean the former, well, then Mythbusters is not so wrong.
On the machine I built ( which is not intended to extract a lot of energy but is a learning tool for open-minded people to build as a first project ) I started with 8 magnets on the wheel which was a 24inch bike wheel. In the tests I ran I saw an equal amount of energy leave the primary battery as entered into the charging battery and during the charging time (12 hours) the wheel was spinning at 60 rpm. So I saw free mechanical energy.
Then I added 8 more magnets to the wheel and I removed the thick grease around the wheel bearing and spreayed in 3 in 1 oil instead ( to let the wheel be much more free-spinning ). In the next test I saw a little more energy in the charging battery than left the primary battery and the rpm was 110. The charging time was 8 hours. So I saw a small amount of free electricity and a lot of free mecanical. - Not bad for an extremely simple setup that's not designed to extract a lot of energy !
My next plans are to build a much more serious and powerful little bedini machine called a window motor. Aparently this little baby self charges its own battery and produces seriously high revs with torque so you can use the torque. I'm going to build a little generator, connect it to the rotor and then see if I can feed the output of the generator back into the input of the window motor. If it works I'll be able to whip out the primary battery and just leave it running.
One has to try these things in order to know the truth. That's my philosophy for everything.
Its some way to present a project or idea, to the Mythbusters? For sure is one, but where? who? when?
Well the only thing I can do is to present here my stuff, and say pass the voice please.
www.geocities.com/gearturbine
Thanks. :)
I think it's better to stay away from the Myth Busters. I think they're a bunch of charlatans.
Its a shame for the mythbusters that a school girl can replicate and prove it to the world but they (mythbusters) can't.
Sorry to interrupt in here but I need some help!
Please take a look at these pictures and tell me what they mean.
This is my Bedini motor running on a 12 volt battery tested at 11.25 volts.
It has an attached box that contains a generator at the other ent that produces 2.5 volts.
I get these readings when it is running at it's peak. It appears to be getting three spikes of energy on 1 end and 5 on the other end.
My questions are:
1) Do these spikes net out to only two spikes?
2) Is it proper to put the oscilliscope probe on the emitter and the ground on the collector?
3) How can I tell the total increase in energy by this osc. reading?
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
JHN
I have the bedini ssg running in my garage. it is very simple to build. I have had more success with OU using my bedini set-up than with any of my hydro projects. I guess ignorance to how the motor works keeps people from actually making a successful motor. If bedini was a fake, he would be charging money for his experiments, but he doesnt, that should tell you something. I watched the episode where they tested the bedini. First off, where the fuck are the magnets, and second, why the fuck are they using an electric motor for their first build?? It is obvious they are morons, with little understanding of electricity other than where the power button is on their computers, or the battery compartment on their ipods. They were clearly dismissing something they are too ignorant to understand. If they knew anything about anything other than blowing shit up, I would take their opinion into consideration. However, I have a bedini motor running in my garage as I type this, and it is working great, and I am achieving OU with it. Hmm. How much more simple can the Bedini SSG be?
I mean come on, it is called the Simplified School Girl motor for a reason, it IS SIMPLE!!!!!!!
;D
I just found out tonight that if you take your charge battery off and run the + through a 250V cap. and then take a reading with your volt meter on the + side of the cap and the - on the left side (where you attached the - from the charge battery connection), you get upwards of 75 - 125 volts DC current with about .5 to 1 amp of power.
Now, comes the task of cycling that charge back into the circuit and letting the motor feed itself.
Those spikes you see in the pictures I posted earlier are about 25 volts of electrical current each. By piping the power from the collector into a capacitor instead of a battery you get an immediate charge; due, I guess, to the fast switching that is going on.
Also, DON'T TRY TO CHARGE NON-RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES with this process. They will explode!!!!!!! Happened to me with my son standing right next to me. We're lucky that we didn't get acid in our eyes. Someone mentioned on another forum that you could re-charge them and that's bull-shit. You can recharge them but the 9 Volts expand and the AAA's and AA's will explode. I'm assuming it's because of the mass amounts of volts that are being pushed into the battery along with the fact that they are not designed to be re-charged anyway. The charge doesn't last too long and they will not charge back up to their full amount.
Does anyone have any ideas how to take this excess voltage and convert it back to usable 12 volts? If so, I am all ears. I still need to purchase another lead-acid battery and I would be OU. I still need to design the battery switching so that the batteries continually switch charging. That way they both stay charged instead of just the charging one.
I have a pretty good setup based on some other forum. You just take a large PC fan motor, convert the coils to the standard +-+- configuration and use 1 as the trigger and the other as the load. Vuala you have a Bedini motor.
I added a phone jack to the fan side, a phone cord to connect to my box and a Radio-Shack project box with board. Now, I just unplug the fan and exchange for another project that I want to use the circuit board for. Or, test re-wiring, etc.
I've also added another fan about 6 inches behind the fan and enclosed it. This allows me to generate about 2.5 extra volts of electricity from the what would be wasted air being blown. Now, I want to send that back into the battery as well to increase the OU that I'm pretty sure I already have.
Now, if you've been keeping up on the Steven Meyers HHO cell, you will remember he pushed high voltage to the cell to cause mass HHO output. I'm thinking he might have taken the alternator and made a similar process as the Bedini motor. Since all that excess voltage is just voltage with very little amps. The alternator is already AC and then it is converted to DC at the back of the housing right before it enters the car's circuitry. If you take and switch that load you can generate tons of voltage that you could then pass into the cell and treat it just as I have done with the capacitor.
Since the Cell can be treated as a capacitor you can send in a current via PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) and steadily increase the power (nano-seconds) until it explodes; not litterally. This will for the water molecules to fragment and the Oxygen and Hydrogen would be sluffed off quite rapidly. I wouldn't even think the chokes on the + and - lines would be necessary since there isn't much, if any, amps flowing through the lines.
Quote from: amigo on May 27, 2008, 08:30:59 PM
Because most of you armchair scientists want something out of nothing and there's no such thing. Bedini's systems work because the energy is extracted and then converted/stored. As the saying goes you have to invest some money to get money back and so is the case with the energy.
But even then you can invest the profits back in to grow the business and make more money.
So the Bedini motor, if it is "overunity", or extracts more energy than is put in, you should be able to give it an initial push and then you should be able to hook the out to the in and it should keep spinning up. If it is "under-unity" then it is worth no more than an ordinary electrical motor.
Quote from: amigo on May 27, 2008, 09:14:01 PM
utilitarian,
If you wish to use my words, please use them in context and exactly quoted, otherwise this discussion is over.
I said "lackeys of the corporate fascists"...
The guys might be good natured (although I take that with a grain of salt) but they are far from competent or unbiased which is evident from the Bedini fiasco. They have obviously approached the issue with already determined outcome which is clear from the intro to the segment where one of them (is it Adam?) is talking about the "Holy Grail of free energy" while other (Jaime?) remains the adamant skeptic.
It is just sad how scripted the whole thing was and bluntly obvious that the experiment would fail because they did not replicate it to the letter, missing to include certain parts/components, etc. That is NOT scientific and claiming that they are is hypocrisy, whether you like it not. Mythbusters might have (or not) "busted" other things successfully, but having failed to be truly scientific with Bedini one indicates to me that all the other claims they have "busted" should be re-examined as well.
In any case, what I'm talking about are facts, and it is all there recorded for posterity and now available on YouTube to be examined. Perhaps some day we'll see a rebuttal although I am not holding my breath...
I do agree with you that the M/Bers test is not scientific and not honest. That thing they built looks nothing like a "Bedini motor" at all. Makes me want to build the motor just to test it right (build it right to the point where other people would say it is achieving "over unity" and then hook the out to the in and see what happens.). Even though I don't believe it's actually going to give any sort of "free" energy.
Quote from: utilitarian on August 20, 2008, 12:48:18 PM
It works? Do you mean that you can get the wheel to spin for a while, until batteries are depleted, or do you mean it runs forever, producing excess energy from apparently nothing? If you mean the latter, well, maybe you should share your laws-of-physics-shattering discovery with the rest of the world rather than keeping it for yourself, because I am sure all the poor people of the world could use free energy. If you mean the former, well, then Mythbusters is not so wrong.
Two things:
1. Mythbusters may have gotten the right conclusion (the motor does not work), but they reached it through the wrong method. They did not build the motor right. In fact what they built doesn't look ANYTHING like what I've seen for how a "Bedini motor" should look. So for the sake of scientific honesty and nothing more they should revisit this one and build it right. Otherwise they look like a joker too.
2. How can you "share it with the world" when
anything can be
faked? There would be too much suspicion even if you did have a working device. Nobody would attend the demos. People who have made real revolutionary discoveries often have had them swept under the rug for a long time. Not saying the BM is a revolutionary discovery, just talking about what happens.
@ mike3,
I would suggest a long visit on Jean Louis Naudin's site for proof of overunity on the Newman Motor and on many other designs.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/index.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/index.htm)
Take care,
Michel
You should download EFTV part 6 from the ed2k network (use emule):
Energy_From_The_Vacuum_Part_6_Inside_Radiant_Energy.mp4
Maybe it makes sense to you all, but not to me.
To everyone who doesn't think this works.
I'm missing something here. For about $50 you to can build one.
They work and produce large amounts of extra energy that can be captured.
If you want to doubt then do it after you have failed to get similar results. Not before.
Also, please ask one of the people on the various videos. They, to include myself, will be
more than happy to assist you in the construction.
These motors are real and real easy to construct; therefore the School Girl name.
You don't need expensive equipment to see the results either. A cheap analog volt meter can easily display the results.
The parts list is extremely simple as well.
1- CPU fan from Radio Shack
2- Diodes
1- 9 volt battery (supply)
1- 9 volt battery (drained)
1- roll of 16 guage wire
1- soldering gun or just use a bread-board
1- transistor (SA5503)
1- LED (florescent)
1- Potentiometer
solder 1 diode to the emitter -> base - meaning the gray circle points to the base end. The base is on the left side when looking at the transistor with the base/emitter on the high side.
solder 1 diode on the collector - this is the housing of the transistor. That will connect to the charging battery positive.
Solder the Potentiometer to the base - this is the middle lead on the POTS
Solder the LED to the emitter and collector. Make sure that the poles are in the correct direction.
re-wire the PC fan just like the videos show.
If you can't do this then you don't have a brain powerful enough to figure out any of the other topics on this entire site and should probably think about going somewhere else.
Quote from: alan on October 15, 2008, 11:08:41 AMMaybe it makes sense to you all, but not to me.
I would say most of the DVD is not much new information if one has followed JB's posts in the Yahoo groups and on his Web sites (the information is less scattered, though). The most interesting part is possibly in the last 10 minutes about how he sees how EM (electro-magnetic) fields restrict or enable RE (radiant energy) [according to my understanding, anyhow, but I might as well have missed that part earlier].
Quote from: jamesneal6927 on October 15, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
I'm missing something here. For about $50 you to can build one.
They work and produce large amounts of extra energy that can be captured.
could you sell it for 50$ ?
if yes , I buy it
Quote from: tagor on October 16, 2008, 03:57:00 AM
could you sell it for 50$ ?
if yes , I buy it
can you produce more than 1 watt ?
if yes , you win the overunity PRIZE
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5707.msg129890#msg129890
I am not sure, but I think it (claims to) works similar to Meyer's Easer system:
Using a voltage only pulse to open 'energy aparture' in the hydrogen nucleus and releasing this energy.
Meyer also calls it EM radiant energy.
Could it be all the same? More important, does it produce the effects as claimed (is it real or BS)?
How do/did you evaluate this with the SSG? How is the skin effect correlated to RE?
Quote from: bourne on May 31, 2008, 12:45:11 PM
@ Utilitarian
My Bedini SG is now my battery charger. I have quite a few
Build one or buy one and find out for yourself.
:)
lol
enjoy
ist
my charger
this bad boy recharges its self lol ;D
any how i will be selling do it yourself kits for this exact charger unit this unit puts out around 200vdc from a 12vdc supply it runs cold
i have also inproved the design..... and on a single pluse i can read 1900 vac upon return ;)
Quote from: utilitarian on August 20, 2008, 12:48:18 PM
It works? Do you mean that you can get the wheel to spin for a while, until batteries are depleted, or do you mean it runs forever, producing excess energy from apparently nothing? If you mean the latter, well, maybe you should share your laws-of-physics-shattering discovery with the rest of the world rather than keeping it for yourself, because I am sure all the poor people of the world could use free energy. If you mean the former, well, then Mythbusters is not so wrong.
The problem here guys is you are all reffering to different things. Utilitarian is asking if you have built the Bedini motor, as seen in the joke of a replication supposedly debunked by MythBusters. Anyone who replies saying that they have built it and it works are just fueling the fire. The SG and SSG is NOT the Bedini motor specified in this thread! I have only ever seen one replication of that device, the CrapBusters one doesnt count. I challenge anyone here to show me a half decent replication of the 1984 machine, working or not, NOT the monopole motor!
@ Mike. I think it is a little unfair to say they might have got the right conclusion from a wrong replication. As far as Im concerned they proved nothing except they dont do their homework. Like I said above, outside of the Advanced forums I have yet to see ANYONE replicate it in its entirety.
To confuse the claims between the two is just plain silly.
hey there bro
listen when you discover the root of free engery come back and tell me my stuff dont work :D
here is a diffrent unit i have made my own....
oops something must be worng.... i dont see any moveing parts..... IT CANT WORK LIKE THIS LOL!!
dont make me hook this up to my scope..... 8)
lol
IST
Quote from: innovation_station on October 16, 2008, 10:45:16 PM
hey there bro
listen when you discover the root of free engery come back and tell me my stuff dont work :D
here is a diffrent unit i have made my own....
oops something must be worng.... i dont see any moveing parts..... IT CANT WORK LIKE THIS LOL!!
dont make me hook this up to my scope..... 8)
lol
IST
Are those comments in reference to me? I directed none of mine towards you, innovation_station. I never said your device didnt work. The second picture looks like you are pulsing an inductance with a simple transistor circuit. Perhaps there is a secondary involved and perhaps you have balanced inductance and capacitance with frequency. I dont see a load however. It isnt what the thread is entitled, and thats my point. The thread is about apples and everyone turns it into fruit salad. (And yes I know its not about apples, if people cant figure out what I am saying by that I give up)
I know the root of all energy, that part is obvious. None of its free, it all comes from somewhere. Your methods for extraction and utilisation via your device/knowledge may be astounding, even worthy of their own thread ;) that is all I have to say in regards to the hijacking. Im not sure why I bother sometimes, these threads always go off topic, and nothing seems to come of them.
well i posted it here because it is the same thing
and yes mine works well
myth busters is a joke...
but im sure they know it works.... lol
ist
i have many threds....
it may operate on a similar/same principle, but it is not the Bedini motor, nor a replication of it. Simply put, it deviates from the path of this thread, as most posts in this thread do, including mine now. I guess Ill just quit talkin then :-X
those mythbuster clowns didn't even add freaking magnets?????
or know the difference between that 10 year old girls motor, and the bedini motor?
why don't they flap their arms as hard as they can, and claim that commercial flight is a myth as well?
Hy Sirs,
They are not "MythBuster" equivalent in France, but i see the vidéos and this 2 personns are laughty clown !
It's not a bedini at all, look up one more time.... And the replication quality ? it's a Joke ! The axis dont rotate inline....
It's juste Bulshit, but some people who see that don't haev the distance to do the choice !
Have nice day
(Scuse my bad english)
Molux
Quote from: innovation_station on October 16, 2008, 10:45:16 PM
listen when you discover the root of free engery come back and tell me my stuff dont work :D
Please enlighten us, what is the root of free energy?
Is it the replenishment of static fields by the zero-point field after tapping into them? 8)
Yes, the mythbusters make many mistakes. Part of it is probably due to a lack of cooperation from the persons who are making the claims and the lack of a provided working model.
This should be relatively simple to debunk (or prove that they are right) - provide them with a working model (someone said that it only takes $50 to build one) and directions on how to disassemble/reassemble it, along with where the parts were purchased. As for the permanent magnets - they can get them from wherever and even if the magnets slowly degauss, all it takes to remagnetize them is around 36k joules (less than a single kilowatt hour, which is the equivalent of 3.6 million joules). Even considering that you lose 40% when storing energy, it still only takes 60k joules to recharge a set of permanent magnets (not completely sure about the volume of magnets that can be remagnetized with that much energy). If you can get a single kilowatt hour out of a set of magnets, you can easily recharge them with the energy obtained, so it's definitely *way* over unity by that point.
Many of the mythbusters' projects are half-assed, but that's half of the charm of the show. Yes, it's entertainment, but as with much entertainment, it uses hyperbole to prove how ridiculous the claims are. Sometimes they prove things right, sometimes they prove them wrong. At least 75% of the time when they prove something wrong, it's because it's poorly designed, but they don't have three months to design something, they have a few weeks to research it, put it together and test (prove/disprove). Most of the stuff that they test are not complex designs, they're simple things (like the phone book thing I saw last night). The 'experts' that they hire are expected to actually do the appropriate research, not put something together that wouldn't have a prayer in hell of doing the job. Sometimes those experts don't do their jobs right, sometimes they do. If you want to put yourself forward as an expert, build a Bedini motor using a capacitor instead of a battery and use it for input/output. Heck, let them choose the input/output, so long as they are identical and don't otherwise change the design.
Quote from: Bulbz on May 27, 2008, 08:45:34 AM
The MythBusters did it again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3I9RUCrjoQ)
In my honest oppinion.... The Mythbusters duo are a couple of bellends. They even busted the "Spud up the exhaust trick", they did that with a big engine. I actually know that it does work on a 1.4 Renault engine. Coz I spudded a teacher's exhaust pipe when I was at school, I hid and watched as he tried to crank the engine, and it did not start ;D. And yet, those two prats said that it was a myth.
They sure do look like oil bandits to me :P.
I've been trying to find this mythbusters episode on the internet with no success. I then found this website and the link says "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Energetic Productions LLC." What's this mean? Were the Mythbusters wrong after all?
Energetic Productions LLC is a crackpot video production company pushing vacuum energy as true facts.
http://www.energyfromthevacuum.com/
Back for another lesson?
Prove them wrong then. No one here gives a flying fart about completely unsubstantiated opinions based on ignorance and bias... I CAN say this, because obviously in our last episode, you were blissfully unaware of the shear magnitude of the body of work on LENR.
In fact, i suspect your "colleagues" aren't too happy about you either. Some of them have been facing a "credibility crisis" lately (its been a rough year for them, and it ain't getting any better, lol), and you're efforts are not helping matters ;)
You think just logging in with a generic "it's all crap" on every thread is somehow meaningful to anyone, that it would change any minds? Lol please explain how that is.
And judging from your efforts do "disprove" LENR a few days ago (apparently you were one of those naysayers who were left swinging in the breeze last March, and that humiliating experience has stuck in your craw)....
... It appears from what you've shown us so far, you couldn't properly debunk "Leprechauns", let alone something that dozens of mainstream Physicists and academics who violently opposed LENR in the past have decided to keep silent on now; because they understand there is no chance of success in denying it anymore, and doing so would only make them look absurdly bitter, mentally petrified, and intransigent.
And now, once again, your mouth has written a check you can't cash: Let's see your argument against Col. Beardon's work then.
But i will say this.. You must not be a "Paid Shill": Otherwise you would have starved to death by now ;)
... So i will adjust my opinion, and say there is hope for you yet! Do the study and you may, if you allow yourself to do the analysis objectively, be surprised with what you find... Again.
If you are serious about having any impact at all in your attempts to "save us from ourselves", lol... Here is how to do this (..a little free advice for you and others):
Do the background reading. Choose a specific question that the opponent will find difficult to answer. Don't attempt to denigrate anything or anyone, and don't come off with an attitude that proves your negative bias from the get-go. Then you have a chance to do something ;)
YeahRight!!!
If you're so sure of Vacuum Energy being for real then it's up to you to prove your claims.
It's certainly not me. I'm the sceptic. Disprove my scepticism by showing me Vacuum Energy.
Regarding Cold Fusion. There is work being performed but nothing is yet acknowledged as CF.
There is just some reaction they can't measure correctly or explain yet. But there is no 100%
proof of CF. Just the reaction itself and this is not proof of anything than just a reaction.
how do you want your proof to be served?
Quote from: alan on October 10, 2009, 08:16:22 AM
how do you want your proof to be served?
Indisputable!
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