http://www.naturalnews.com/023329.html
...FDA and most doctors should be jailed,....seems money is more important than life.( gee what a supprise ) ::)
A World without Cancer Watch it all and spread the word. Stand up against the bureaucracy.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=World+without+Cancer+&hl=en&sitesearch=#
Good source of B17 100mg is normal dose for people without cancer.
http://www.apricotpower.com/store/default.asp?refer=gadvitaminb17
http://www.metabolicproductssupply.com/cat1_1.htm?gclid=CPr0x5_Sz5MCFQx_HgodmSLzhg
Good info. Don't know how it is where others live but here, finding 'whole' apricots (for the b17) is damn hard to impossibe. The few places that do sell them, do so at exorbitant prices. Oddly enough, there is no shortage of places that sell apricots with the kernels removed, and really cheap at that - those kernels seem to demand premium price! Also, b17 as a suppliment in tablet form doesn't seem to exist...
As for the FDA - there is no end to their hypocrisy. If a private company operated that way, they would get the electric-chair (in a perfect world). Just one of their more recent atrocities - not only do they supress cancer cures, they suppress & destroy information relating to food additives that cause cancer:
http://www.rense.com/general80/rec.htm
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That is good information.
If you can't find B-17 you can always go the tried and true route and eat lots of anticarcinogens. The cruciferous class of vegetables contain anticarcinogens like broccoli, cauliflower, kohlrabi, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, and kale.
The "powers that be" enforce nutritional ignorance. If you doubt this ask your doctor how to cure something using food. He'll say "duh, you can't do that, here have some drugs".
Blessed Be Brothers...
Yes, also classed as the 'orrible tasting - although I do like cabbage and sprouts in moderation :D
Let me just add that b17 is also found in apple seeds - just chew a few and you'll instantly recognise it as identical to the apricot kernels. You may have to go through quite a few apples daily to get a similar dosage though, but hey, that's a damn sight healthier than the crap they sell you at McDonalds and the like!
One other thing to ponder as you bite into a BigMac - a survey done in the UK found that there is far more stringent controls imposed on animal-feed than there is on the stuff we eat. I expect it is a similar story everywhere else...
you really don't want to eat apple seeds.they contain a cyanide compound in them.Make a homemade
lakhovsky coil instead.Read www.copperhealth.com and (in my opinion)any copper wire is better than no copper wire.Make your own coil using any copper wire on hand.Don't run out to buy #10 guage copper,do that later if you want.Lakhovsky coils had a cure rate of 99% on cancer and the treatment dissappeared soon after his death in the early 1940's.triffid
Howdy,
Lakhovsky coil will work too. Here are some more technologies for curing illnesses electronically. Look for information by Dr. Royal Rife and Dr. Wilhelm Reich. Rife made an oscillator which would eliminate illnesses by oscillating at a specific frequency. He also built a optical heterodyning microscope which could see viruses back in the 1930's. Wilhelm Reich specialized in Orgone Accumulators which are basically a chi capacitor. The accumulator collects and stores life energy which can be transfered to animals or plants for healing purposes.
Bottom line is there are SO many healing methodologies out there it makes me wonder why anyone would go to a doctor. Heal thyself. It was Hippocrates (The Father of Medicine) who said "Let food be your medicine." Medicine started with food therapy. I believe that is all we really need. However, having some help from technology won't hurt such as the contributions from Lakhovshy, Rife, and Reich. Even some of the new medical technologies are helpful such as the imaging scanners like the Magnetic Resonance Imaging and Cat Scan Technology. If we could take a MRI and retune it to use Rife frequencies we could eliminate disease altogether. Or maybe a hybrid Rife and Reich device which oscillates to eliminate disease and gives you a healthy dose of chi to bring your constitution back up at the same time.
All these things could exist if the cavemen at the AMA were neutralized.
"The LOVE of money is the root of all evil" -JC
Blessed Be Brothers...
It is a simple vitamin deficiency just like Scurvy was and Scurvy was solved with vitamin C
Cancer is solved with vitamin B17. Can it get any simpler
http://www.apricotpower.com/store/?id=1
eat apricot seeds (the inner part, not the hard shell) - they contain vitamin B17
Pretty cheap way to get it.
Interesting video:
http://www.naturalnews.com/022619.html
Quote from: triffid on June 03, 2008, 02:12:41 PM
you really don't want to eat apple seeds.they contain a cyanide compound in them.Make a homemade
lakhovsky coil instead.Read www.copperhealth.com and (in my opinion)any copper wire is better than no copper wire.Make your own coil using any copper wire on hand.Don't run out to buy #10 guage copper,do that later if you want.Lakhovsky coils had a cure rate of 99% on cancer and the treatment dissappeared soon after his death in the early 1940's.triffid
Hi. I recall reading about the cyanide compound somewhere but got the impression from the article that it was an 'inert' form, so perfectly safe - is this not the case? Thanks for the lakhovsky coil info - I am reasonably well informed on the subject but haven't come across that before. Thankfully, I have never had health problems in this regard, and intend to stay that way with mainainence doses of b17, God-willing - though knowing my luck, I'll croak due to cyanide poisoning! :D
Some more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin
and a book:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4114324/World_Without_Cancer_The_Story_of_Vitamin_B17_-_G._Edward_Griffi
There are several substances that are claimed to have worked for people,
but all of them are banned by the FDA or sister organisations.
One is "Laetrile" ("laetrille"?), indeed a cyanide compound found in apricot and
peach kernels, as well as in almonds. The more bitter the taste, the more of it.
A recipe I recall was to simply put apricot kernels in a blender, blend them into
pulp, then add fruit juice like pineapple, and have a glass of the mix with every meal.
The B17 element plays a role in that, I seem to recall...
Another substance that I have heard many a positive claim about is hemp oil.
Simply the natural resins and oils that the hemp plant produces, can be consumed
in a concentrated form. Some people claim total recovery of widely seeded cancers.
Oils extracted from the hemp plant were very common as medicines throughout
the past centuries, and only about a hundred years ago did this market start to
shrink. Not in the least because of active patenting policies of the larger farmaceutical
companies, who of course can't patent hemp nor apricot seeds, so they worked
and lobbied hard and long and managed to get governments worldwide to disallow
use and advocation of these substances.
Another substance is indeed found in vegetables like cabbage and broccoli.
You know, that typical cabbage smell and taste? Well, if you eat a lot of that
stuff, you are consuming a quite potent anti-cancer substance.
Especially when the cabbage is cut into pieces and left to sit for a night,
this releases more of this substance (reaction of the plant tissue to being cut).
So coleslaw is good to combat cancer, if you eat enough of it. :)
I would advise to use all of the above.
So eat lots of almonds, lots of cabbage and broccoli, and consume some canna oil if you can.
And don't visit Chernobyl. Ever. ;)
And don't visit Chernobyl. Ever.
Best advice ::)
From what i've read eat a pound of hemp a day and you get almost all your vitamins and nutrients if not all of them plus b17 to fight cancer, no wonder it's illegal to grow it. It's superfood that kills cancer promotes good health and bad business for the pharmacies.
And it tastes good too!
"Laetrile is pure B17 and so is Amygdalin they are just different names for the same thing.
Quote from: blisteringanomaly on June 05, 2008, 12:09:58 PM
From what i've read eat a pound of hemp a day and you get almost all your vitamins and nutrients if not all of them plus b17 to fight cancer, no wonder it's illegal to grow it. It's superfood that kills cancer promotes good health and bad business for the pharmacies.
And it tastes good too!
Jeez with a pound a day you'll be a skyhighatrist ;D
A pound a day I dont think the poor lab rat ever ate that much skyhighatrist good one Chet
@Borg good thread thanks
I am wearing two homemade lakhovsky coils for two weeks now.Not for cancer but for arthritis.
I have had some improvement in the right ankle where before it was just getting worse and worse.I wear one around the waist and the other one around my ankle.triffid
I hope in three months to have no arthristis.triffid
Sorry,arthritis.triffid
Here is a Link with story here as well to Promote this thread.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2004/08/25/corbin_wheeler_feature.shtml
Cured of Cancer
In September 2003 Felicity Corbin-Wheeler was given between five weeks and six months to live with pancreatic cancer. Now fully recovered, she attributes her cure to vitamin B17 and her Christian faith. Michelle Moffat went to meet her.
n September 2003 Felicity Corbin-Wheeler was struck down, literally overnight, with terminal pancreatic cancer and given less than six months to live.
The story of her recovery, based on vitamin B17 and her Christian faith, is the stuff of miracles.
Felicity is just one of thousands people who are claiming that vitamin B17, extracted from seeds and kernels such as those found in apricots, is a God-given cure for cancer first described in the book of Genesis.
Talking Faith with Felicity
To listen to our interview with Felicity, use the Audio link at the top right-hand side of this page, or read the transcript below.
MM: Can you tell me a little about the background to your faith and how it's been part of your life and when perhaps first you felt that you had a calling to follow God?
FCW: Yes I'd always been a Christian and my father had been a Church Warden for many years in South Africa, and again in London. I have been a member of this church [Gouray] for 30 years and decided to become a Reader and train for full time ministry which I'm now doing and really feel that my life is being fulfilled in a way that it's never been fulfilled before. I think that a large part of that was doing the Alpha course through Holy Trinity Brompton, in London, which was my London Church while we were living over there.
MM: When we start this story about your health and what happened to you in recent years, you say it starts with a service that you held here at Gouray in 2003 can you tell me a little bit about that service?
FCW: Yes, but before that I'll tell you about my daughter, Melanie, who died of cancer at the age of 20. She'd just gone to London University, and she got cancer and was dead within 16 months, despite all that orthodox medicine could do for her. Her stone is right outside here at this Church. I was fired up after that to think that there must be a better way of treating cancer and so I did two nutrition courses; one in London and one in San Diego in America, and I came to realise that there was a great deal of sense in the simple nutrition that we learn about basically in God?s word because in Genesis 1:29 the Lord God says, ? I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it, they will be yours for food.?
And the more that I got into nutrition, I realised that we have to get back to very basic food and fruit and vegetables and the seeds thereof, which are so important. There has been a grape cancer cure for many years which has been based on the seeds in the grapes and of course we?re now growing seedless grapes and we tend to throw away the pips in our apples and this is actually how we?re throwing away the very seeds that God has told us in Genesis 1:29 that we need for our health.
MM: You had already chosen a lifestyle of being a vegetarian and not drinking any alcohol, and that very much reflects what Adam and Eve would have eaten as the Bible tells it Genesis. How did that decision come about for you?
FCW: I just felt better when I was living on fruit and vegetables and water, and there?s a precedent for that in the Bible as well. Daniel had this wonderful diet when they were in exile and Daniel and his friends were supposed to eat the King?s diet of rich food and wine. In fact they said that they would maintain their own diet and that after a few weeks that King could judge who was fitter, and in fact Daniel and his friends came out much fitter than the ones who were eating the rich food.
MM: So at the time you became ill, you were eating a good diet, you weren?t drinking; when did you start feeling that perhaps something was wrong with your health?
FCW: Well we did a service here for Bible Society almost exactly a year ago, 6th of September 2003, and I was fine, we had a wonderful service. I just brought a film back from the Holy Land, it was a film about our Judaic heritage in the Christian Church, so I had people from every denomination here. It was just a wonderful service and we preached on the Word of God, we showed the film of the Holy Land, and it was a terrific move of God. I think that God enjoyed it but the devil didn?t. The next day I was hit with tremendous pain in the solar plexus, like a killer blow. The day after that I was yellow all over. I was in terrific pain from one side of my body to the other but it was centred on the midriff. And so I went to my doctor who looked at me, examined me and said, ?I think we have a major problem here.? I said ?Well do you think it?s cancer?? and he said ?Well, only a scan will tell.?
The next day I had a scan, it was in fact cancer, there was a huge tumour, I have the X-Rays here to show you with the tumour, so I went to London to King Edward VII Hospital, and I was in that hospital a week. At the end of all the examinations they said that there was absolutely no hope and that I had about five weeks to six months at the most to live with pancreatic cancer. And I have found that the people who had pancreatic cancer when I did, have now all died, I am the only one who has survived and who is also looking better than I?ve looked for a long time.
MM: Well you certainly look extremely well. Now many people who are struck down with what they are told, or is diagnosed as a terminal illness, often actually turn round and feel and anger towards God. Now your reaction has been entirely opposite, how do you come to that position of saying, ?I?m not going to accept this and God is going to heal me??
FCW: Well the first thing I did was to say the Gethsemane prayer, in which Jesus says to God that His will will be done and whether I was going to die or live I knew that I was in God?s hands. In fact I was never so glad to be a Christian. Because we know that through the blood of Jesus we do have atonement and that we can live forever with God, so I felt that I had his salvation whether I died and if I was going to be miraculously healed that would be of his will as well. There is, in Malachi 4:2 it says ?For those that revere My name, the Son of Righteousness will appear with healing in His wings? and I just felt entirely at rest, people just couldn?t understand why I was so calm and why I was so positive because I just felt all along that God has His hand on this. And having seen Melanie die of cancer I thought that it was another Satanic attack on the Church, as we know there are many attacks on the Church and I just felt that God was going to prove something out of this and I just completely surrendered to him and said ?His will be done.?
MM: Can you explain exactly how this B17 remedy that you were given, how it?s received and how you take it?
FCW: Well Emmy Wilson told me that I should really go to Mexico because there is a Christian Cancer Hospital there called the Oasis of Hope where 150,000 people have been cured from cancer. And the reason it?s in Mexico is that it?s unorthodox medicine; you must understand that there is consensus medicine as to how people should be treated for cancer, at the moment that is surgery; radio therapy and chemotherapy, these things do have their limitations, because if cancer is a deficiency disease, as is the theory of B17, then when we?re low on B17, then we?re not going to be cured of it. You might cut a cancer out, or you might radiate it and burn it up, or you might poison it, but if the body is still deficient in B17 that cancer will return sooner or later, in another form.
MM: Now B17 as you say, consensus medicine has almost entirely rejected it. There is a huge fuss about this internationally and certainly there is a large body of people on the internet who are claiming that it is the thing that we need to be looking at now. Why do you think it?s been so subverted?
FCW: Well I have read two very interesting books on B17, one is called World Without Cancer by Edward Griffin and one is by Philip Day, Cancer: Why we?re still dying to know the truth. And the truth seems to be that there is a vast amount of money, they say $85 billion a year made out of the cyto-toxic chemicals that are put in chemotherapy. Because there?s so much money being made out of it they actually fund a lot of the cancer research and the Oncology chairs of the Professors throughout the world, and it?s not the fault of our Doctors, because our Doctors have been trained in how to try to take care of cancer in orthodox means and they do not know the natural means; they?re afraid of doing it. We also live in a very litigious society and doctors are afraid of being sued if they try something natural and they haven?t given the patient what they think is the benefit of all the orthodox treatments available.
MM: B17 is present in a great number of very natural foods, actually I take a B vitamin supplement and I looked on the jar this morning before I came to see you and B17 isn?t present in that. It seems to have been very much put aside and it?s also documented that there are people who?ve been saying that this is a cure for cancer and they?re now actually in jail for various reasons. What?s your reaction to that?
FCW: Well if you look back in history you?ll see that vitamin C, which we now all take, was discredited very much, there was a man called Linus Pauling who really did the first research on Vitamin C And we now know that without Vitamin C we can die of scurvy, in fact a million British sailors did die of Scurvy back in history. It was only when they started taking limes on board with them that they discovered that the sailors who took the limes and the lime juice actually did not get the scurvy when the rest of the sailors did. It took 300 years for the truth to actually come out.
I believe that cancer is a deficiency disease. I know that for myself a few weeks ago I had a bit more pain back in my pancreas because the tumour is still there. The whole essence of B17 is that it shrinks the tumour right down and the tumour stays as a vaccination in the body against further attacks of cancer. So when I had more pain I just took more B17 and it has completely gone again. So it proves to me again and again that this is right, and I?m the only one surviving after just a year now.
MM: All through your illness and through your recovery your faith has been a huge part of this and B17 has been a huge part too. How would you say the two have combined together to bring you to where you are today?
FCW: Well I think that we have to live in the Word of God and that I know was just the most tremendous support to me. Psalm 103 was just constantly with me ?I am the Lord God who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases. Your youth and your strength will be renewed like the eagles?.? I just knew that God was going to do something really good.
MM: You talk a lot about ?God-incidence?, you clearly believe that God?s been working all the way through this, is that a phrase you?ve come up with yourself?
FCW: Well I think it?s a phrase probably God has given me because people were talking about co-incidences like me going back to Holy Trinity Brompton, and the fact that Emmy Wilson was the one Pastor who prayed for me in there out of many pastors, Nicky Gumble was standing there, but Emmy was the one who happened to know about the B17 and that was a God-incidence and there have just been so many in my life through this cure that I just feel that life is full of God incidences. In life there are many co-incidences but I believe they?re God-incidences.
MM: Now all through you?ve very much sort of turned against, had a great determination that death was not going to claim you and that you had work still to do. How do you feel your ministry is now directed, given that you?ve had this great reprieve?
FCW: Well we?re all going to die, you know that?s the thing, I?ve been healed for another few years and God may allow me to live until I?m great in years, as the Bible says, but the whole point of Christianity is that through Christ we do have eternal life and so death is just part of that; I?m not at all afraid of death.
if the plant was male or a fertilized female you could eat a pound and not feel anything, it's only when the female plants go unfertilized is when you'd get high from it.
Can you imagine taking this info to the hospitals with all the sick children and having them ALL go home, cured, to their families? How great would that be to have every child (or adult) with cancer be cured and be able to go home and live normal lives. I wish i knew about this 6 years ago. How can we get this info out???
Mark
More important (I think) - can you imagine this is NOT being done because a tiny minority are using cancer as both a form of population control and a means of financing! A few years ago, the average cost of cancer "therapy" was put at $375,000 - no doubt it's even more now...
the REAL sick people are the FDA and your DOCTORS!. ;D
they keep you ignorant, they get paid, hmmmm. >:(
While I believe that the FDA is inherently evil, I would think your average doctor/nurse is genuinely clueless about what is really going on. I bet many who are actively involved (the ones with a conscience) would try to justify it on the grounds of population control, but that doesn't alter the fact that "conventional therapy" is designed solely to extract the maximium dollar value treatment-wise per patient, while also fulfilling its primary goal, population control - killing the patient! Few realise (at least I didn't!) that the 'primary' tumor is rarely fatal - what kills you is when the cancer spreads, and left untreated, cancer is very slow to do this (the primary tumor just enlarges) - the number 1 way of getting cancer to spread throughout the body is to chop out the primary tumor, rupturing untold blood vessels in the process, which is exactly what conventional treatment does!
Furthermore, did you know that statistics for conventional treatment have shown little or no improvement in life-expectancy over the last 50-70 years, despite the ongoing "medical advances" we are constantly being told about - in fact the 'real' statistics are so bad, that they were compelled to add a time-versus-survival element to the mix - 'official' stats list anyone who survives more then 5 years from first diagnosis as "cured", irrespective of their then-condition, or whether they suffer a relapse and die afterwards...
good post.
we all know there is no money in a cure dont we ??
another very exciting thing I have read about lately is mms mineral solutions & a mans efforts to rid the world of aids - same old story though........... the big phamas don't want to know. see http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message438937/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message438937/pg1) for more info.
I always bookmark these health links cos ya never know
I think there is some stuff on youtube about this too.
"How to Obtain Laetrile or Vitamin B17
The FDA has made the purchase of laetrile supplements effectively impossible, even though it is a perfectly natural and safe supplement. In order for a doctor to use laetrile supplements, they or their patient must “confess†to the FDA that the doctor is using laetrile in their practice. In other words, laetrile supplements are effectively illegal because no doctor wants to admit they are using laetrile. Thus, if you illegally buy laetrile supplements, how do you insure you are buying it from a highly trusted source? This seems like an oxymoron.
Having said that, there are sources of laetrile pills. However, most people take laetrile in the form of apricot kernels. In the middle of a peach or apricot is a hard shell. If you break open the hard shell with a “nut cracker,†pliers or hammer, you will find a small seed/kernel in the middle that looks like an almond. However, it is much softer than an almond and certainly does not taste like an almond. It is this seed that is rich in natural laetrile.
If you search for “apricot kernels†(use the quotes) on Google you will be able to find a lot of vendors of apricot kernels. Be advised, however, that apricot kernel sites cannot legally make any claims about laetrile being used to treat cancer.
Most experts will recommend a daily dose of apricot kernels from between 24 kernels a day up to 40 kernels a day, spread throughout the day. For a person in remission, 16 apricot kernals a day should be used as a minimum.
Because I do not like any form of dehydration, especially if artificial heat is applied (it can affect the bioavailability of the laetrile molecule), I like apricot kernels sold still in the shell. Yes, it is extra work to break open the shell for each kernel, but you KNOW the kernel has not been dehydrated. The vendor “Our Father’s Farm†will, on special request, sell apricot kernels still in the shell (see the link below).
Other things rich in laetrile are millet grain and buckwheat grain. Breads made with these grains, however, generally do not contain a high percentage of millet or buckwheat or else they would be too hard. Many multi grain breads have these grains and are certainly better than white bread. "Such as Roman Meal All Natural 12 Grain bread."
Also, the seeds of berry plants, such as red raspberries and black raspberries are rich in laetrile. Red raspberries also have a second cancer killer in their seeds: Ellagic Acid, a phenolic. About four dozen foods have Ellagic Acid, but Red Raspberries have the highest concentration. Strawberries also have Ellagic Acid.
This means that when you buy berry jelly, make sure you buy preserves that have the seeds. Basically, the seeds of any fruit, except citrus fruits, have laetrile. My wife eats apples from the bottom up, meaning she eats the seeds and always has. This is a good habit to get into - I picked up the habit years ago."
Its actually the 'oil' of the hemp that contains the cure.
And you only need a small amount in the morning and evening and in 3 months cancer, arthritis, diabetes, macular degeneration, and a host of other diseases leave the body.
phoenixtears.ca
Regards...
@ triffid...
Thanks for the coil info...I know someone with terminal cancer who is afraid of 'alternate treatments(hemp) and would try this I'm sure.
Whatever chance we have of having laetrile sold legally, hemp has no chance whatever - allow us to be high, happy & healthy? Not a chance! :D
@IronHead - Lots of good info there. I wasn't aware that the peach kernel was high in b17 - apricot seems to be the defacto choice, or at least the one that always gets mentioned. Also, peaches are sold in many places here, in stark contrast to apricots, wich is a big plus for me. Do you know how much b17 peaches contain, in comparison to apricots?
Quote from: jimmylad on June 08, 2008, 03:23:54 PM
good post.
we all know there is no money in a cure dont we ??
another very exciting thing I have read about lately is mms mineral solutions & a mans efforts to rid the world of aids - same old story though........... the big phamas don't want to know. see http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message438937/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message438937/pg1) for more info.
I always bookmark these health links cos ya never know
I think there is some stuff on youtube about this too.
Yes, money is a dominant factor, but not the only one. I recall reading that the drug companies once accidently hit on a 'wonder-cure' for cancer when separate drugs were used in combination - their response was to instantly pull them from the market!
Aids cures have also been very much supressed for years. Below is a patent for a cure that was not allowed to be marketed.
Quote1993, AIDS CURE, Steven Kaali US05188738 Want to know more?...Article "HIV & Virus attenuation by blood electrification." US05188738 drawings. Want to know more?...Article "HIV & Virus attenuation by blood electrification."
Content by concentration seed list below
apricots, peach,apple ,cherry and down from there on the nitriloside foods.
Any of the nitriloside foods should be a part of the daily diet to stop caner from developing.
The seed types can be ground or minced and added to any food instead of baring the taste directly.
Howdy Y'all,
The problem here is that the official agencies in power do not have the publics interest in mind. The US government has been hijacked. This started at the end of the American Civil War, when the insidious power usurpers first gained their hooks into the Legitimate Constitutional Government. These usurpers use extreme stealth, cunning and deceit to slowly undermine the legitimate government until they ultimately gained complete control. By the end of WWII they had assumed a controlling interest in the government and slowly changed the constitutional common law into federal corporate law. Today the United States exists as a Federal Corporation. The entire frame work of the Constitutional Common Law government still exists, but it has been superseded by the Federal Corporation. This is wholly unconstitutional. The Federal Corporation is essentially a corporation of philanderers and plunderers who have enforced ignorance on the American people and taken advantage of that ignorance by hijacking our government.
We are guaranteed, by the Constitution, the right to bear arms and rise up against Tyrants. The Federal Corporation that now controls the United States is an Oligarchy of Tyrants. These people have violated our rights, undermined our health, deprived us of information and technology, and continuously steal our money. They are wholly unlawful. Now there are many people who have realized this over the many years since the inset of this insidious plot to destroy the United States. All of the rebellious protesters have been silenced. They are many more, not so outspoken, people who have realized this and live in a state of futility, realizing that their legitimate government has been superseded by a wholly unlawful federal corporation.
I, as a natural citizen of the United States of America, proclaim the Federal Corporation that has hijacked and replaced the Constitutional Common Law Government of the States to be Wholly Unlawful. Furthermore, I, as a Natural Citizen of the United States of America issue a Cease and Desist Order to the Unlawful Federal Corporation who has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. The date of this Cease and Desist Order is June Eighth in the year Two Thousand and Eight. The Unlawful Federal Corporation is ordered to Cease and Desist operation and leave the United States of America within Thirty Days of this Order. Failure to comply with this order will constitute an Act of War against the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. Being that these are extraordinary circumstances, and the Federal Corporation that has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America has deprived the Natural American Citizens and their Constitutional Common Law Government of all their resources, and their military power. Furthermore, I authorize, as a Natural Citizen of the United States of America, intervention in the form of external forces to remedy the current unlawful situation. This intervention allows extraterrestrial forces in the form of Members of the Galactic Federation to intervene on the behalf of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America, and has the Full Authorization of the Common Law Government of the United States of America. Furthermore, all assets held within the United States of America's Territories are the property of the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. Any attempt by the Unlawful Federal Corporation to secure assets which are the property of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America and their Constitutional Common Law Government will be met with lethal force. For many decades the Unlawful Federal Corporation has been trying to remove GOD from the system of government in the United States. The Constitutional Common Law Government was based on GOD's Laws and GOD is an inseparable part of the Constitution of The Constitutional Common Law United States of America. Above all else Galactic civilizations hold GOD's Laws and Ways in the highest esteem. These Laws and Ways WILL BE the Laws and Ways of the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America and the Laws and Ways of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America, and the Unlawful Federal Corporation that has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America WILL Cease and Desist in impeding these Laws and Ways.
In essence, every law that has been ratified in the United States of America since 1865 is unconstitutional and unlawful. It is time the Common Law Constitutional Government of the United States of America is restored to its former glory. Our government should be something we respect and can be proud of. We should be proud to say that we live in the United States of America. The usurpers, the philanderers, and the plunderers will be punished to the full extent of GODs Law. Then, and only then will we be able to fully utilize the healing power of food, radiant energy, and all the extraordinary technologies that are available to our Galactic Brothers...
Blessed Be Brothers...
That is true there can be no doubt...but before common justice can be restored - first common sense must be restored.
Everybody is guided by TV news whores...the real truths are burried on page 29.
Put down that remote...check out whats on the computer.
Even the crap is better than the brand of crap shown on TV.
Regards...
@Homeland Security: I am not affiliated with the person calling himself Z.monkey in any way.
Please do not block any of my future visas to the USA. ;)
;D
Ask yourselves a question. Be honest with your answer.
If I get cancer will I :
(a) See my doctor and demand the lastest in traditional medical treatment.
or
(b) Take B12
or
(c) Pray
For my part the answer would definitely be A.
ERS
Quote from: z.monkey on June 08, 2008, 08:57:45 PM
Howdy Y'all,
The problem here is that the official agencies in power do not have the publics interest in mind. The US government has been hijacked. This started at the end of the American Civil War, when the insidious power usurpers first gained their hooks into the Legitimate Constitutional Government. These usurpers use extreme stealth, cunning and deceit to slowly undermine the legitimate government until they ultimately gained complete control. By the end of WWII they had assumed a controlling interest in the government and slowly changed the constitutional common law into federal corporate law. Today the United States exists as a Federal Corporation. The entire frame work of the Constitutional Common Law government still exists, but it has been superseded by the Federal Corporation. This is wholly unconstitutional. The Federal Corporation is essentially a corporation of philanderers and plunderers who have enforced ignorance on the American people and taken advantage of that ignorance by hijacking our government.
We are guaranteed, by the Constitution, the right to bear arms and rise up against Tyrants. The Federal Corporation that now controls the United States is an Oligarchy of Tyrants. These people have violated our rights, undermined our health, deprived us of information and technology, and continuously steal our money. They are wholly unlawful. Now there are many people who have realized this over the many years since the inset of this insidious plot to destroy the United States. All of the rebellious protesters have been silenced. They are many more, not so outspoken, people who have realized this and live in a state of futility, realizing that their legitimate government has been superseded by a wholly unlawful federal corporation.
I, as a natural citizen of the United States of America, proclaim the Federal Corporation that has hijacked and replaced the Constitutional Common Law Government of the States to be Wholly Unlawful. Furthermore, I, as a Natural Citizen of the United States of America issue a Cease and Desist Order to the Unlawful Federal Corporation who has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. The date of this Cease and Desist Order is June Eighth in the year Two Thousand and Eight. The Unlawful Federal Corporation is ordered to Cease and Desist operation and leave the United States of America within Thirty Days of this Order. Failure to comply with this order will constitute an Act of War against the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. Being that these are extraordinary circumstances, and the Federal Corporation that has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America has deprived the Natural American Citizens and their Constitutional Common Law Government of all their resources, and their military power. Furthermore, I authorize, as a Natural Citizen of the United States of America, intervention in the form of external forces to remedy the current unlawful situation. This intervention allows extraterrestrial forces in the form of Members of the Galactic Federation to intervene on the behalf of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America, and has the Full Authorization of the Common Law Government of the United States of America. Furthermore, all assets held within the United States of America's Territories are the property of the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America. Any attempt by the Unlawful Federal Corporation to secure assets which are the property of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America and their Constitutional Common Law Government will be met with lethal force. For many decades the Unlawful Federal Corporation has been trying to remove GOD from the system of government in the United States. The Constitutional Common Law Government was based on GOD's Laws and GOD is an inseparable part of the Constitution of The Constitutional Common Law United States of America. Above all else Galactic civilizations hold GOD's Laws and Ways in the highest esteem. These Laws and Ways WILL BE the Laws and Ways of the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America and the Laws and Ways of the Natural Citizens of the United States of America, and the Unlawful Federal Corporation that has hijacked the Constitutional Common Law Government of the United States of America WILL Cease and Desist in impeding these Laws and Ways.
In essence, every law that has been ratified in the United States of America since 1865 is unconstitutional and unlawful. It is time the Common Law Constitutional Government of the United States of America is restored to its former glory. Our government should be something we respect and can be proud of. We should be proud to say that we live in the United States of America. The usurpers, the philanderers, and the plunderers will be punished to the full extent of GODs Law. Then, and only then will we be able to fully utilize the healing power of food, radiant energy, and all the extraordinary technologies that are available to our Galactic Brothers...
Blessed Be Brothers...
That's quite a manifesto there, Ted. I do like how you ended it with a reference to God. So you want to replace our present system of government with one that follows the laws your particular religion? That always works out well.
EVIL pancreatic is a death sentence for modern medicine your ' A' 'will go with you to the grave Chet
Howdy,
If I did get cancer, which is highly unlikely, I would eat lots of apricot kernels, brown rice, alfalfa, and cruciferous vegetables. However, it is unlikely that I would get cancer because my diet consists of whole foods like fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, and thorough supplementation of vitamins, minerals, trace elements, and pure water. I pray on a daily basis anyway. As for the doctor, heh, unless I can find a holistic doctor that specializes in cancer, I don't think I would see a doctor.
@Utilitarian I only want to restore the lawful government that was supplanted by the federal corporation.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: Evil Roy Slade on June 09, 2008, 10:16:26 AM
Ask yourselves a question. Be honest with your answer.
If I get cancer will I :
(a) See my doctor and demand the lastest in traditional medical treatment.
or
(b) Take B12
or
(c) Pray
For my part the answer would definitely be A.
ERS
Given the choices, I opt for '(c)' - but only 'cos you listed B12... With your limited research, you are probably best opting for '(a)' and taking your chances :) Seriously though, were I ever to get cancer (which I believe won't happen due to the B17 I already take) I would always opt for B17.
But, you are right in a way - research has shown that most (90%+) opt for conventional treatment first, but this is more than likely due to the profound ignorance of the general public! When they turn to 'alternative treatments' such as B17 as a last resort, their body is almost destroyed thanks to 'conventional treatment', and they end up having multiple ailments instead of 'just' cancer. But even with these odds, there have been numerous 'miracles' documented. Now, had they opted for b17 to begin with, I believe they would have saved themselves a whole lot of suffering and ended up healthy as a consequence - like in the Mexican hospital that was also mentioned here.
That said, someone mentioned in this thread that they know someone with terminal cancer that are "afraid" to try alternative treatments - that does strike me as bizarre...
@Sprocket
Yes I should have written B17 and not B12. Thank you for correcting my error.
ERS
I agree with Sprocket that most people who try the B17/laetrile thing
do it as a last resort kind of attempt, after they have already been
poisoned with chemo- and radiation-therapy, and after the traditional
doctors have told them there's nothing else they can do.
This is not surprising really, after all, the majority of the population
believes that medical doctors know best and want to cure the patients.
And in theory that is what they do, of course. But in practise they make
their money off other peoples health problems. Their primary concern is
making money, their secondary concern is helping patients.
Giving your patients a cheap and natural cure or preventative supplement
does not pay.
So they don't.
It's like the dentists: they could simply put a protective film over all your teeth
when you've turned 21 and/or your teeth have stopped growing,
to prevent any tooth decay due to plaque/tartar/whatever. But they don't,
because they can make a lot more money having you come back every six
months and re- or placing another filling, drilling another hole, intentionally
neglecting the beginning decay in order to give you an expensive root canal
the next year, etc etc.
Same with the companies producting the medicines: their R&D is aimed primarily
at making more money and not at all at producing more effective medicines to
eradicate diseases.
It is a pity that we (the people) are being lied to in the sense that we are raised to believe
the doctors and medicine producers exist and work because they want to minimise and if
possible completely eradicate disease,
while that does not appear to be their primary goal anymore.
It does seem somewhat contradictory to the Hippocratic oath that the doctors paycheck is
now more important than curing the patient...
Then again, it is obvious that anyone taking a Hippocratic oath can hardly be anything other
than a hippocrite. ;)
Rename it the Hypocritical Oath!
They promise to swill martinis, swing golf clubs and steal your money with the best of their ability. What is even worse is the insurance bureaucracy situation that "manages" your money to pay the medical establishment.
Blech!
Don't go against doctors. They are only trying to help you.
They learned there are rules they can't broke, and these rules come from FDA.
Instead, go against big corporations, that controls FDA.
These corporations says FDA that drug can help, and the FDA says then to doctors.
I don't think that's correct Scorpile.
The FDA has not made any rules that prevent your doctor from
telling you about B17/laetrile, cabbage flavonoids, or cannabis extract
as anti-cancer substances.
The FDA only made it illegal for a doctor to legally prescribe them to you.
And even if the FDA would have made it illegal to tell patients about it,
then the Hippocratic oath should weigh in a lot heavier than the paper cage
made by a government agency.
"Should I do what I pledged to do and help patients cure their illness,
or should I break my oath and comply with FDA rules?"
take your pick... ;)
You guys should really check out this site.... www.thedcasite.com
Its based upon research done at the University of Alberta.
Not likely to be used because DCA is an orphan drug, so no phamaceutical company can make money off it.
Quote from: Koen1 on June 12, 2008, 09:37:41 AM
I don't think that's correct Scorpile.
The FDA has not made any rules that prevent your doctor from
telling you about B17/laetrile, cabbage flavonoids, or cannabis extract
as anti-cancer substances.
The FDA only made it illegal for a doctor to legally prescribe them to you.
And even if the FDA would have made it illegal to tell patients about it,
then the Hippocratic oath should weigh in a lot heavier than the paper cage
made by a government agency.
"Should I do what I pledged to do and help patients cure their illness,
or should I break my oath and comply with FDA rules?"
take your pick... ;)
Let's pretend you are a doctor.
You studied, and learned from books what medicines help, and what are the treathments.
In 99% of the cases, FDA is correct about prescribing some drug to a specific problem.
Then you realise you are dealing with the life of sick people.
Will you risk your profession and repputation, because somebody, who is not the certified organization that makes studies and document correct drugs prescription, says that have discovered the cancer cure?
About the B17, or whatever other vitamin, every time you go to a doctor, they will say you, EAT MORE FRUITS, MORE VEGETABLES, CONSUME LESS OIL, LESS FATS, LESS CAN FOOD, LESS FAST FOOD, DONT DRINK, DONT SMOKE.
This is common sense, they are telling us to eat fruits since the beggining of medicine.
There is a misconception that putting chemicals/ pharmaceuticals in an organic/electric organism will produce positive results.
Although some drugs will alleviate some problems they create other problems in the process.
Natural/organic treatments are the only healthy option.
Prior to the emergence of antibiotics/drugs silver nitrate and other natural substances were used for healing and to control infection.
Don't let big pharma buffalo you into believing their lies.
All the human body require grows naturally...from food stuffs to medicine.
Regards...
Quote from: Scorpile on June 12, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
Let's pretend you are a doctor.
You studied, and learned from books what medicines help, and what are the treathments.
In 99% of the cases, FDA is correct about prescribing some drug to a specific problem.
Then you realise you are dealing with the life of sick people.
Will you risk your profession and repputation, because somebody, who is not the certified organization that makes studies and document correct drugs prescription, says that have discovered the cancer cure?
About the B17, or whatever other vitamin, every time you go to a doctor, they will say you, EAT MORE FRUITS, MORE VEGETABLES, CONSUME LESS OIL, LESS FATS, LESS CAN FOOD, LESS FAST FOOD, DONT DRINK, DONT SMOKE.
This is common sense, they are telling us to eat fruits since the beggining of medicine.
Not sure about that 99% thing... I remember a year or so ago, when a highly respected American specialist dared to critise the FDA for continuing to allow a drug to be sold, that was known to cause deaths, their response was to leak baseless information about the doctor, and openly question his professional competence - I recall this 'cos it made the TV news here in euroland, a rare occurence. And if you need further proof of their lack of integrity, check the link I provided earlier.
As for your average doctor, true, I believe most would be 'struck off' in a heart-beat (or worse!) were they ever to endanger the cash-cow tragedy that cancer has become - so, they must toe-the-line. However, if they know the extent of the lie, telling patients just that fruit is good for them doesn't cut it - the majority of the b17 is in the kernel, not the fruit-body, so the most beneficial part is unwittingly being thrown away...
Howdy,
The part that is cast away (the kernel, and the B17) could grow another tree that could produce countless new fruits. Potentially curing thousands of people.From what I know about agriculture, scraps like that are ground up and fed to cattle. At least the cattle will be cancer free....
Blessed Be Brothers...
Yes folks, this is why we still have outbreaks polio, cholera, smallpox, tetanus, rabies and other horrible things. Because doctors hate vaccines and just want to make money.
Believe me, researchers are working hard to cure cancer, damn hard. You know why? To save lives, sure. But also, a cancer cure is worth quite a bit on the open market too.
Here's who else believes in natural cures, you know, the ones "they" don't want you to know about.
Quote from: utilitarian on June 13, 2008, 01:02:42 AM
Because doctors ... just want to make money.
That is probably right for the people in the USA, specially these people going to private hospitals. I said USA because everybody knows the worst studies in general medicine are from USA and MEXICO, which is not the case when talking about specialist like neurology or whatever.
I tell you this really sure about what i'm talking, because my mother is doctor in general medicine, she studied at the "Universidad Nacional de Panama", and is really funny for me, to see a tv show on Discovery Channel called "Mystery Diagnosis", and hearing my mother tell me the cause of the problem just at the beggining of the show, and asking herself "what's happening with that doctors?" and finding she is right at the end of the show.
I see a lot of haters when people thalk about doctors. And this is the point when the discussion gets really annoying, because people loose objetivity when allow their personal feelings interfer.
Medicine is something that normal people can't understand. The problem is, that people think they understand medicine, becuase they got flu someday and the doctor prescribed some drug, and the next flu they got, taked the same drug and got better.
This thread can grow to even 100 pages, because some people don't heared what they wanted from their doctors.
I'm sure, if your son or daughter have cancer and is dying, and you go to the hospital and the doctor says you "Mr./Ms., don't take the chemotherapy, just go home and eat appricot seeds because FDA don't want people to know", then this thread will become about medical negligence.
One more thing. Doctors are people too, and because they are people, they also get cancer. And what do you think they do when they get cancer, eat apricot seeds?
I think doctors tend to get chemo and radiation(even at high failure rates).Watch if ted kennedy gets chemo.I think wearing lakhovsky coils and eating the right kinds of seeds(I'm still not sure about apple seeds) is as simple as it can get.For anyone who wants to try lakhovsky coils on a terminal patent better do it quick.I have had 100% improvement in my arthritis in one month.I hope it's completely gone in two more months.Check out www.copperhealth.com on how to make a homemade coil.I use phone line for the two I'm wearing.One around the waist and the other around the ankle.People at work have noticed the improvement in my walking.Phone line is insulated and very flexiable(easy to tie ).Triffid
I never thought of using other types of wires...and use # 10 gauge as recommended.
Are you using the stiff kind containing 4 insulated single strand wires ?
My brother in law in Alberta can hardly move in the morning from arthritis...he noticed improvement almost immediately.
I believe he used regular house current wire.
Regards...
I think any copper wire is better than no copper wire.I use the flat 2 strand copper wire phone line.Remember the diameter of the one open ended loop is important.It's the diameter of the loop that
determines what range of wave lengths are pulled in.#10 is recommended but I couldn't wait,I grabbed the closest wire I could and felt a benefit right off.Just don't connect the ends to each other.Tie it like a hillbilly ties his rope for a belt.I'm not putting down hillbillies but everyone has seen it on tv.My phoneline goes around my waist 1 and a 1/2 times.I can tie a loose knot and wrap the loose ends around the wire around my waist.I used the scissors to cut the plugs off.I left them on at first but got tired of them poking me.I don't think the guage is very important although some people seem to swear it is.The diameter of the loop is however.These loops are powered by radio waves,cosmic rays and maybe even the earth's magnetic field.So being low powered it may take a while to cure what ails you.
I expect three months to cure my arthritis.Before I found out about these coils my foot was getting worse and worse and all the doc could tell me is to take pain pills.I am very excited about these coils.Glad to know your brother-in-law got a benefit too.Triffid
Brother in law still making progress...this thing looks like the real deal.
I thought it was making me feel better, but was unsure as I already felt good...the reports from my sister along with the testimonials on the web site are making a believer out of me.
And it doesn't get much simpler than that...makes me wonder if a simple energy source is also right under our noses.
Regards..
I certainly hope so .I think we could draw power from lakhovsky coils through induction.Just like our bodies do.I turned a 25 foot extension cord into one last week.I used a voltmeter from radio shack.I did not get any real readings but the minus sign on the meter flickered off and on.It doesnt' measure micro volts or micro amps.My meter is supposed to measure 1/100 volts.Triffid
I think the energy in Lakhovsky coils is mostly AC.I had a jar of algae I put a small one around. That jar was really cloudy with algae after 3 weeks.I think my arthritis is almost gone,I don't feel it too much at all this morning.Back in April I was thinking about quitting my job over it.Back then it was just getting worse and worse.Triffid.
... I'm new here but I thought I should pipe up about this topic, when I was a child we had peach and apricot tree's in my backyard, one of biggest rules was that I was to never eat the pit or shell around the pit, you may ask why? because my dear friends apricot pits as well as apple and peach pits contain CYANIDE a chemical that I am pretty sure most of us will agree is poison and will result most certainly in death faster than the cancer that will kill you eventually that you are attempting to cure using this simply ridiculous method, if you want to see an actual method and probable cure for cancer take a look at this BBC article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7460743.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7460743.stm)
Now I know this is just for skin cancer but the 1000 mile journey for a cure, my friends this IS THE FIRST STEP!, believing in snake oil will do nothing to progress the science of finding a cure for this insidious disease. As for information pertaining to Amygdalin there are a couple peer reviewed articles that have shown that in pure double blind clinical studies (that means niether the doctor nor the patient knows they if they are taking the medication or placibo) it was found that those that took Amygdalin where more likely to die of Cyanide poisoning than to live long enough to see there cancer cured. here are some websites to back that notion up, please note these are not connected in anyway to medical websites, they are infact PEER reviewed websites and articles.
Wikipedia (i know the goverment might put its dirty hands in this, however as you can see, the article is reviewed rather constantly to maintain its focus)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin)
(this is an independant company known for finding snake oil treatments for cancer)
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html)
this is a peer reviewed article abstract explaining a patients experiance with B17
http://www.euro-emergencymed.com/pt/re/ejem/abstract.00063110-200510000-00014.htm;jsessionid=LpvV1VTkhjyv8BRpHfVlCMJTtnTtd0y0ML2dNnndmwQ0fn52LLLR!544421999!181195628!8091!-1 (http://www.euro-emergencymed.com/pt/re/ejem/abstract.00063110-200510000-00014.htm;jsessionid=LpvV1VTkhjyv8BRpHfVlCMJTtnTtd0y0ML2dNnndmwQ0fn52LLLR!544421999!181195628!8091!-1)
and just a little info on Cyanide
QuoteCyanides have been used as a poison many times throughout history. Its most infamous application was the use of hydrogen cyanide by the Nazi regime in Germany for mass murder in some gas chambers during the Holocaust. Cyanide has been used for murder, as in the case of Grigori Rasputin. It has also been used for suicide. Some notable cases are Erwin Rommel, Eva Braun, Wallace Carothers, Hermann G?ring, Heinrich Himmler, Alan Turing, Odilo Globocnik, Adolf Hitler (in combination with a gunshot), residents of Jim Jones' the People's Temple in Jonestown and the LTTE (they use it to kill themselves if they are captured by Armed forces).
Anyways just my 2 pennies.
cheers,
S
Howdy Cytherguy,
Keep in mind that Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy will kill you just as fast as Hydrogen Cyanide. This is why people need to develop their cancer awareness. Living a healthy lifestyle, eating right, exercising, and taking your vitamins to prevent cancer in the first place. Once you have it you will probably have to deal with it somehow. It makes sense to us a natural product rather than some man made, FDA sanctioned chemical that isn't supposed to be in your body, period. The use of a natural poison in limited therapeutic quantities makes far more sense to me than using gamma radiation.
Of, course using something like the Lakhovsky coil, or a Rife generator makes even more sense to me because it effects a cure without harm. Like the Hypocritical Oath, he he, Do No Harm.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Cytherguy,
Keep in mind that Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy will kill you just as fast as Hydrogen Cyanide. This is why people need to develop their cancer awareness. Living a healthy lifestyle, eating right, exercising, and taking your vitamins to prevent cancer in the first place. Once you have it you will probably have to deal with it somehow. It makes sense to us a natural product rather than some man made, FDA sanctioned chemical that isn't supposed to be in your body, period. The use of a natural poison in limited therapeutic quantities makes far more sense to me than using gamma radiation.
Of, course using something like the Lakhovsky coil, or a Rife generator makes even more sense to me because it effects a cure without harm. Like the Hypocritical Oath, he he, Do No Harm.
Blessed Be Brothers...
of course man i understand that, im just saying that the clinical studies that have been made on this chemical show no difference than to just leave the cancer alone and let it eat your body... chemo and radiation have in clinical trails shown without a shadow of a doubt that it will kill the cancer (albiet brining you to the brink of death as well).
i agree there must be a better way, but for now this is what we have....
That's funny, first you post suggesting it's lethal, now you say that in clinical trials, it does nothing! And before you say you were referring to its effacy in cancer treatment, if these so-called clinical trials you allude to had found that the cyanide implications were detrimental to health, laetrile would have been instantly banned from sale - the facts are that no such evidence exists, in fact, with these quantities, the body is emminently capable of ridding itself of the hydrogen cyanide, while letting the beneficial compounds work their magic. The other absolute fact is that the FDA did its absolute best to have laetrile banned, but failed on the grounds that there was zero evidence to support their position, so instead insisted that all sellers must state that there is no proof that it can cure cancer - despite the enormous amount of evidence to the contrary!!!
Personally, I find it sad that people need to be believe that the FDA must have their personal well-being in mind, when all the evidence suggests the opposite. Looked at another way, which is more believeable - the FDA (who represent the drug companies) are more concerned with keeping us healthy, so they sell everyone B17 (guess-timate, $30 per individual per year) or that they are more interested in collecting the $375,000 that the average cancer treatment nets...
I disagree with cytherguy.
Does it really make sense to you that chemotheapy poison pills and tissue-killing
radiation levels are less hazardous than cyanide compounds which people have been
eating for milennia? After all, almonds have been prized as a delicacy and healthy food
for ages and ages, and nobody has ever died from eating them...
The cyanide compound is the same as in apricot and peach kernels.
In a way, the laetrile/cyanide thing is the natural version of chemo.
It is known that cancer cells accumulate more cyanide compounds than
healthy cells do, and this is why cyanide compounds can kill the cancer cells
and not the healthy cells.
That said, it is of course not a miracle cure, it is just natural chemo. ;)
Still, there are various stories of people who had already gone through
full blown chemo and radiation "therapy" and were near death with
no signs of their cancer diminishing, and who started taking laetrile
or hemp oil in what the doctors had told them would be their final months of life...
... and these people turned up cured later...
Btw, what do you guys think of sodium chlorate as "miracle cure"?
Quote from: Koen1 on June 23, 2008, 07:02:23 AM
I disagree with cytherguy.
Does it really make sense to you that chemotheapy poison pills and tissue-killing
radiation levels are less hazardous than cyanide compounds which people have been
eating for milennia? After all, almonds have been prized as a delicacy and healthy food
for ages and ages, and nobody has ever died from eating them...
The cyanide compound is the same as in apricot and peach kernels.
In a way, the laetrile/cyanide thing is the natural version of chemo.
It is known that cancer cells accumulate more cyanide compounds than
healthy cells do, and this is why cyanide compounds can kill the cancer cells
and not the healthy cells.
That said, it is of course not a miracle cure, it is just natural chemo. ;)
Still, there are various stories of people who had already gone through
full blown chemo and radiation "therapy" and were near death with
no signs of their cancer diminishing, and who started taking laetrile
or hemp oil in what the doctors had told them would be their final months of life...
... and these people turned up cured later...
Btw, what do you guys think of sodium chlorate as "miracle cure"?
good summery Koen1...nice and clear and easy to understand ;)
Sodium Chlorate is used in herbicides and if ingested is very toxic to human's.What use does it have here in this thread?Triffid
I take Sodium Chloride every day and do recommend it to every one!.
If you're interested in alternative healing and health care, I recommend checking out Pranic Healing.
I've personally been through a seminar with Stephen Co and got some confirmations on the techniques. It is for real, but not well known in the mainstream.
Check it out...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ahg6Ut1cyhA
Qigong is another alternative healing methodology that I'm interested in learning more about, but my experience with it is limited.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RAAB0dbc3Es
Much Peace,
Will
Thanks for that info...a very impressive method it seems...I have seen it done in a docu years ago.
It looks like an accelerated form of Reki.
Regards...
Greetings,
The standard for curing cancer is the Rife machine technology.
I have been using one for over a year now, although not for cancer.
I was in contact with one lady who used it to cure her breast cancer.
I am in contact with a person who is personally aware of other Rife cancer cures.
I find it interesting that although a perfected technology exists, that we still search for "the cure".
Quote from: rbisys2 on June 25, 2008, 09:31:46 PM
Greetings,
The standard for curing cancer is the Rife machine technology.
I have been using one for over a year now, although not for cancer.
I was in contact with one lady who used it to cure her breast cancer.
I am in contact with a person who is personally aware of other Rife cancer cures.
I find it interesting that although a perfected technology exists, that we still search for "the cure".
rbisys2 - welcome! Question, are modern day Rife machines considered to be as effective as those that Rife himself built? Also, do you have an opinion on the much cheaper machines using squarewave harmonics and a wrist-strap? Thanks.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on June 25, 2008, 09:11:59 PM
Thanks for that info...a very impressive method it seems...I have seen it done in a docu years ago.
It looks like an accelerated form of Reiki.
Pranic Healing is similar to Reiki as an energy healing practice, but differs in that 80% of the time spent working on a patient is based on cleaning and clearing energy fields so that the in-streaming prana/chi/life force can flow freely. Think of it as acupuncture or acupressure without the needles or touching.
The other 20% of time is spent energizing and balancing the chakra system and aura.
The coolest thing about it is that anyone can learn to do it just like anything else... with focused intent.
Here's a link for more information... http://www.pranichealing.com/what-pranic-healing
Much Peace and Love to you ALL.
Will
Quote from: triffid on June 25, 2008, 10:56:21 AM
Sodium Chlorate is used in herbicides and if ingested is very toxic to human's.What use does it have here in this thread?Triffid
Yes, it is used as such indeed and if ingested in too large quantities it is lethal to humans, you're right.
But so is oxygen. ;)
The trick is apparently that using small amounts of it dissolved in water still has a biocidal effect on
most (if not all) bacteria and parasites, and that water can be consumed without the nasty effects on the
human body.
It has been claimed to cure malaria by killing the parasites inside the human body.
http://www.healthsalon.org/264/mms-de-mystified-sodium-chlorite-stabilized-oxygen-chlorine-dioxide-detox/
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html
Which is interesting, because I happen to have experience with malaria and I know that even after
being "cured" of it most people are left with a residual infection that acts up every couple of years,
because it is very difficult to kill all the parasites with the commonly used drugs as they nestle inside
your intestines. It is claimed chlorite is able to kill them all.
Besides that, it is also claimed that a Russian scientist named Tamara Lebedewa has recently
put human cancer cells in a bacterial growth medium and watched in amazement as they slowly
developed into cells that looked differently, then developed flagella, then
started swimming!
Her conclusion: certain common cancers may not be cancers at all, but rather parasitic bacteria
with superb mimicry that both physicall look like and chemically "smell" like human body cells,
thus being able to hook into our body and connect to blood vessels etc, nestling snugly in tissues
that don't see them as invaders.
She used the common biocidal substance of sodium chlorite solution to kill the tiny parasites.
@Ahuramazda: lol :) no, not sodium chlori
de, we're talking about sodium clori
te:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorite ;) :)
Howdy Y'all,
If you want an antipathogen which IS compatible with the human body look at Oil of Oregano. It kills bacteria, fungus, and viruses without ANY side effects. This is a sterilizing agent which is food that we already consume that has NO toxic side effects. It has the effectiveness of phenol, but is totally nontoxic. I use Oil of Oregano on a daily basis just to ward off potential illnesses. When I do get sick I quadruple or more the dosage that I take and the illness goes away very quickly. Search for information about Dr. Cass Ingram, or click on this link.
http://www.oreganopro.com/drcassingram.asp
Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine said "Let food be your medicine".
Blessed Be Brothers...
Thanks for those links people...obviously somebody has been intentionally suppressing cures.
There are far too many cures not finding their way into the doctor's office for it to be a coincidence.
On rife treatments...I have personal knowledge and experience...and likely would not be typing had I not downloaded a frequency generator.
My family has been ravaged by cancer...and I felt odd sensations 'down below' since the mid 80's.
These sensations increased in number and intensity over the years...to the point where I was constantly aching with stabbing pain intervals.
I dropped 20 lbs off an already slim frame, I had to force myself to eat.
I sat on magnets all the time to ease the aching...I went from frequent short trips to the bathroom to leaking urine.
Going the chemo and radiation route destroyed what was left of the lives of my family members, so that was not an option for me.
During my net research for a cure I found the Lee Crock type device...although it sounded good, I had to be fully confident in my choice as I was running out of time.
Then I found the Royal Rife story and learned his frequency generators were being sold on the net...$3 thousand on up, and everybody claiming the other units wouldn't hold the frequency long enough to kill the virus.
So I kept digging and found a free NCH frequency generator download.
I felt immediate easement of symptoms...within 2 weeks I am feeling almost normal again.
Then my computer went down...before I got things up and running again all my symptoms returned to their previous degree.
In no time at all the generator knocked the symptoms back as before...confirming that nothing other than the frequency generator was responsible.
The only thing I was taking all along were graviola pills...which never stopped the progress of the symptoms.
I found that I had to continue treatments of 45 minutes twice a week...a good trade off as far as I was concerned.
Since I started sleeping on an aluminum screen connected to a Lee Crock 'energy cleaner' I no longer needed the riufe treatments.
Regards...
interesting, "China sentences ex-head of FDA to death over drug company bribes" http://www.newstarget.com/021874.html.
Last week I reported that my arthritis is gone,It still is .My ankle has grown thicker in the last month.Suggesting regrowth of cartilege?I have put small lakhovsky coils around jars of algae
and they explode with growth within 3 weeks.It would be interesting to plant a garden using lakhovsky coils of 30cm diameters.In case someone out there wants to try it.I'm going to check out the lee energy devices.I too found machines for $3000 on up for the lakhovsky coils.I am very happy that I found a website on how to make them for nearly free.We all need more good stuff.Triffid
lee crock energy devices that is,I have never heard of him before.triffid
Ok,I have now learned about the lee crock energy devices here at overunity.com.Cost about 10 dollars to build if you manuelly switch the polarity for the screens by switching wires.Very interesting.Tends to turn back the clock,gives people more energy.Triffid
As a chemist and human being who knows that cancer will one day strike either me or family, I have kept an eye on more 'natural' methods of cancer treatment. Recently I made friends with a man with deep skin cancer on his face. He is a naturapath and has tried something like 50 'cures' with no success. He has a fear of chemo and xrays and doesn't want his face dug up. So, I offered to help him. I had been looking at Cesium chloride as a cancer cure for a few years (off the net and from journal articles by Keith Brewer, a mass spectrometrist). To me this looked like the cure that was overlooked by science. So I procured the CsCl and told my friend the exact way to take it. To cut a long story short, he felt sick from the Cs after a month (which was the end of the regime) and the cancer was still there, unaffected.
My conclusion is beware of any claims of cancer cures unless they have happened to someone YOU personally trust.
QUOTE > rbisys2 - welcome! Question, are modern day Rife machines considered to be as effective as those that Rife himself built? Also, do you have an opinion on the much cheaper machines using squarewave harmonics and a wrist-strap? Thanks. <
I have an electronics engineer acquaintance that is involved with design and manufacture of rife related devices.
According to his testing of various rife devices most are marginal at best. The other point that I have come to is that YOU ARE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO GET A PERFECT UNIT. For general care you are looking at about $2000.00. I was in contact with one lady who used the same unit I have and her breast cancer was reduced to benign tumors after two months.
The reason for his testing was that he and his partner wanted to design a good reliable unit. He found a couple of units that met his criteria and abandoned the project because he couldn't build a significantly better mouse trap in the $2000-2500.00 range.
Another problem is the companies that manufacture them. The one I have, which my engineer friend says about as good as you'll get, is impossible to contact directly. No printed address or phone number. Therefore, you are dependent on the professionalism of the person you purchase from.
Also you have accessory devices such as crystal hand held. One advertising earth crystals is marginal. He manufactures his own device which I have seen the test results in person, plus the manufacturing process. These are not simple to make devices. Plus, they have to be made in small batches with imported crystals.
As far as the arm units go keep in mind there are several factors that determine the ability of the unit to provide the frequency, power , pulsing and other requirements. The larger units are able to do this.
The only small unit based on the rife technology, other than the Hulda device, is the hiv device. It is designed for a specific, narrow band use. The b/p for that unit is available on the web. My engineer makes and keeps a few of these on hand.
He was definitely not impressed with the CD method.
The public is at risk because the manufacturers can claim all kinds of advanced technology and that their units are therefore superior when they aren't. The FDA could correct this if we didn't have a fascist system. To the richest goes he spoils ( read pharmaceutical companies and others).
I hope this helps. If every family had a reliable rife device our medical costs would drop dramatically. I can't tell you just how much my unit has done for me and meant to me.
Quote from: pomodoro on June 28, 2008, 03:47:04 AM
...Recently I made friends with a man with deep skin cancer on his face. He is a naturapath and has tried something like 50 'cures' with no success...
Heya mate, just wondering if hemp oil was amongst those 50? I've seen and read about it but don't know or know of anyone personally who's tried it. Could be worth looking into if it's as effective as some people claim.
Les.
@rbisys2 - thanks, I appreciate your in-depth response.
Quote from: pomodoro on June 28, 2008, 03:47:04 AM
As a chemist and human being who knows that cancer will one day strike either me or family, I have kept an eye on more 'natural' methods of cancer treatment. Recently I made friends with a man with deep skin cancer on his face. He is a naturapath and has tried something like 50 'cures' with no success. He has a fear of chemo and xrays and doesn't want his face dug up. So, I offered to help him. I had been looking at Cesium chloride as a cancer cure for a few years (off the net and from journal articles by Keith Brewer, a mass spectrometrist). To me this looked like the cure that was overlooked by science. So I procured the CsCl and told my friend the exact way to take it. To cut a long story short, he felt sick from the Cs after a month (which was the end of the regime) and the cancer was still there, unaffected.
My conclusion is beware of any claims of cancer cures unless they have happened to someone YOU personally trust.
It could be very helpfull if you can give us a list of sorts of which "natural cures" he has tried...
Did he try all the things we mentioned in this thread, and did none of them have any effect??
As for the Cesium attempt, interesting that you've tried it... :)
Has anyone here built the Lakhovsky RCO or the MWO as per the instructions in the MWO Handbook from BSRF?
I have built the RCO circuit from page 118 and will do the one from 117, but have no way of knowing if it really works (properly) or does something at all. I suppose it would help to at least have a spectrum analyzer to see whether it produces waves across different bands.
I am also going to build the MWO and have all the necessary parts but the original antenna, which could prove to be difficult for there are no exact plans for its construction. The requirement to use three different kinds of metal tubes (copper, brass and stainless steel) is another factor which increases the difficulty.
Hi all:
I found a RIFE gen at the local goodwill and couldn't resist getting it. Figured 7.95 wasn't too much for it. My question is what to do with it as it has no book. Has two shinny paddles that plug in it and does power up and switch through programmed setups in memory. Past that, ???.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
thaelin
Howdy Thaelin,
Eight bucks for a Rife Generator is pretty good. I have this article about the Dr. Royal Rife in my archives. Here is an interesting link I found using the internet search words "Rife Frequencies".
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter%20135%20frequencylist/frequecies.htm
This article looks very intriguing. It includes frequencies for every aliment that I have ever seen. Other electromagnetic generators can be re-tuned to use this frequency list for the specific aliment. I have the list of frequencies somewhere in my files but couldn't find it. I was surprised to find this list of frequencies easily on the internet. I hope you find what you need in this information...
Blessed Be Brothers...
Howdy Y'all,
http://www.akor.cc/CourseMagicOfTheFuture.pdf
Here is another interesting article about a resonant chi generator that can be tuned like the Rife device. Isn't it interesting that there are many devices, designed by independent people, which all work on similar principles, that solicit similar results? Kinda sounds like the Hundred Monkey Effect to me. Seems like we could design a small, compact device that could be carried around anywhere which could do this job. Sounds a lot cheaper that carrying around a doctor in your back pocket.
"Seek ye the truth, and the truth shall set you free." -JC
Blessed Be Brothers...
Still my initial question lingers, that is how to use this thing. Does it have to be hooked directly to the body? With out knowing what it will do, I am a bit leary of "hooking up" to it. I am very sensitive to electricity since I got fried with 35000 volts many years ago.
thaelin
Quote from: Thaelin on July 05, 2008, 03:27:26 AM
Still my initial question lingers, that is how to use this thing. Does it have to be hooked directly to the body? With out knowing what it will do, I am a bit leary of "hooking up" to it. I am very sensitive to electricity since I got fried with 35000 volts many years ago.
thaelin
The Rife generator is a scam device. At best, nothing will happen. So don't bother.
People making unsubstantiated claims are trying to deceive you...for one reason or another.
Rife's results are well documented..I believe the results of the original trials are still available somewhere.
I have my own results to back up Rife's claims.
Just do a search for 'No Rift Rife'...there you will find simple to follow directions to treat yourself....good luck.
Regards...
Howdy Y'all,
Utilitarian, if you don't have anything positive to add, Get the Fork Out!
Thaelin, the current from the Rife generator is supposed to flow through an area which has a lot of blood flow through it. The device should be a low power device, does it use batteries? You could turn it on and measure the voltage on the paddles. Next step turn the device on with the paddle electrodes facing up and touch the back of you hand to the paddles. If it is going to shock you your bicep muscle will pull your hand away from the paddles. Chances are, however, it is not going to shock you. There should be amplitude and frequency controls on the device. Adjust the frequency to your desired setting, then apply the paddles, and maybe use an elastic bandage to hold them in place. Make sure the amplitude is set to minimum. Turn the device on and adjust the amplitude to a level you are comfortable with.
I received electronic therapy on my lower back several years ago. I had some dehydrated disks which caused posture problems and a lot of pain. Part of the therapy was mechanical, and part was electronic stimulation of the muscles of my lower back. I could tell that the device was supplying a low frequency alternating current with a variable amplitude to my back muscles. The chiropractor would periodically increase the amplitude to work my muscles harder. I got to examine the device closely. It seemed to be a fixed frequency variable amplitude device used for sports medicine, and physical rehabilitation. Within a few weeks my posture was corrected, the disks were rehydrated, and I was able stand upright again.
Again Doctor Royal Raymond Rife was one of the most brilliant, and most tenacious doctors of the twentieth century. He designed a microscope that could see a virus, something that modern microscopes still cannot do. He figured out how to cure ANY disease using the proper frequency of electronic stimulation. This man was a super genius, and should be hailed as one of the greatest men that have ever lived. I only hope that Dr. Rife is big enough to forgive the super-ignoramuses who attacked him and destroyed his work.
"The love of money is the root of all evil" -JC
Blessed Be Brothers...
there are a lot of cures for cancer, aids and many other disseases. I think that there are cure for ALL disseases. But money is more important than the people life. There are a lot of documents and books describing the true causes of the disseases, but I heard one time... that a cured patient is a lost customer and the labs don?t want that. They prescribe a lot of drugs for treating the patients, not for their cure. Because if a patient is trated instead of cured, the patient will be always buying drugs.
There are some disseases than can be treated and cured with a simple glass of water.
This world is a full of shit. And everyone that discover a real thing is persecuted and/or killed, like Stanley Meyer. In health there was a very important researcher called Royal Raimond Rife that was persecuted all his life because his inventions. He was a genius. Robert C. Beck also was one of the most important health researchers, I read a book of him and he was a genius...
Today the most knew is a woman called Hulda Clark, Robert Beck and Raymond Rife are dead. And I have all the books of this woman. I?m starting to reading the book of AIDS cure, and I have read about people that was miraculous cured with that kind of treatment.
But this world is controlled by money... and the genius and the genial inventions must be suppresed :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rife)
Enthousiasm is great, but blindly copying others opinions about how "genious"
a late inventor was does not add any validity to the actual inventions themselves.
It may be that the discoveries are real, but it seems to me that any such invention
or discovery that is real and does have actual provable effect will gain popular interest
very quickly, and if indeed the general public finds its effects beneficial it will
"break through" and become an established practise. After all, that's how it worked
with acupuncture, acupressure, and herbal homeopathy too...
However, the "Rife" devices or actually more generally named "Radiology" has shown
some limited successes in the past, but it has also shown equally dismal failures.
Besides that, every good radioolgist knows that it can be dangerous to just "zap"
people with the wrong frequencies, so it's not just for everyone to play around with.
And of course established science does not support the idea at all, so that doesn't
help. At least established science does acknowledge the effect of certain herbal medicines...
Same with the Lakhovski multi-wave vibrator idea... Several people have built such devices,
but I recall from reading texts about it from L himself as well as his son, that it needs
a good deal of experience to finetune the wave emitters so that they emit the precise
set of correct waves and not a set just slightly "off key" as that could already have
severe negative effects. I also heard of people building replications that report painful,
stinging, sometimes even burning sensations when trying it out, and that is definately
not what L described for one of his devices in proper attunement. They're supposed to
make you feel good immediately, not project painfull sensations.
I'm getting the impression that Magnethos is quick to copy stories from the web
in his enthousiasm, but has little actual experience and knowledge on the subject...
Oh @Magnethos: I'm not trying to insult you or otherwise pick a fight and if I
gave you that feeling just now then I do apologise. Hope you don't mind?
@Koen
Don?t worry about it. Your opinion is a constructive idea. I?m agree that sometime that kind of therapies don?t work maybe because the treatment must be very specific and some people use that kind of treatment incorrectly. Yes, I?m very enthousiast and I maybe have little knowledge about that kind of treatments, but now I?m reading some books to get more info about that. I?m a very open mind person and enthousiast, but someday I will try that theories and test if they are true or not.
And I repeat, don?t worry, you have made a very constructive opinion.
Rife was a fraud, pure and simple. The only reason anyone on this forum knows anything about him is because of Barry Lynes shameful 1987 'biography' of Rife, much of which Lynes made up or took from highly unreliable sources.
The facts - 'Doctor' Royal Rife was an uneducated man working as a limo driver who found a dumb rich person to fund his 'research' into microscopes, and then into his Rife Ray. He refused to hold proper trials of the device. There is no evidence to show Rife studied in Germany or worked for Carl Zeiss. Modern electron microscopes show that Rife's wild theories and imaginative sketches of bacteria and viruses were pure fantasy. Rife ended dying a poor alcoholic, selling off his microscope parts to curious inventors. As far as conspiracy theories go, Rife is one that just doesn't hold water.
There have been hundreds of similar health frauds that have been forgotten over the decades. People born post WWII usually know very little of this element of US history, when the country was 'rife' with health frauds. Look up Dr. William F. Koch or Dr. Albert Abrams. Abrams is probably the inspiration for Rife's scam. Abrams claimed a bogus degree from the same German university, and promoted a similarly useless machine called the Dynomizer. Abrams made millions for his efforts, and only avoided jail by dying of pneumonia at 62 in 1924, around the time Rife got serious about his scam.
Criminals around the world have milked names like Rife and Laetrile to deprive sick people of millions of dollars, and they continue to do so today. People like conman Jason Vale of Christian Brothers who pocketed millions selling apricot pits before he ended up in the federal slammer. People like Donald and Sharon Brandt in Seattle who posed as medical doctors and promised to cure people with a Rife machine, while raking in nearly a million dollars in fees and leaving their victims to die horrible deaths from untreated cancer.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004020598_miraclesplit18m.html
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20071221&slug=indictment21m
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/9825.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abrams
Anyone who is lending support to conmen and criminals that profit from sick people should search their own conscience before posting such irresponsible advice on 'curing' cancer.
And Cap-Z-ro - please see a doctor.
Guess you can always tell when you hit a nerve. ;D
The part that I am laughing at is note the amount of posts of the one slinging mud. "1"
Oh well, thanks for the info on how to hook it up. I had the tenz unit used on me one time
and it set ripples up and down my back so bad it undone all that they had done up to that
time. I was told not to use it any more. As I said, very sensitive to electricity now. Even static
shock makes me jump. Will have to test it. Some info I found said it is adjustable from 0 to 20v
output. So I can take it to almost nothing to start.
I almost dodo'd my self when I looked up what they cost new. $2020.00US. WOWWWSERS
Not bad for eight bucks. It is not an imitation either, it is the 900 model from Rockwell. Too bad
its too late to help my bro, he is on chemo right now and thats too bad.
I get cancer, I just wait. No garbage in me.
thaelin
There are many viable alternative treatments highlighted earlier on in this thread.
Regards...
Quote from: Thaelin on July 05, 2008, 06:04:33 PM
Guess you can always tell when you hit a nerve. ;D
The part that I am laughing at is note the amount of posts of the one slinging mud. "1"
Oh well, thanks for the info on how to hook it up. I had the tenz unit used on me one time
and it set ripples up and down my back so bad it undone all that they had done up to that
time. I was told not to use it any more. As I said, very sensitive to electricity now. Even static
shock makes me jump. Will have to test it. Some info I found said it is adjustable from 0 to 20v
output. So I can take it to almost nothing to start.
I almost dodo'd my self when I looked up what they cost new. $2020.00US. WOWWWSERS
Not bad for eight bucks. It is not an imitation either, it is the 900 model from Rockwell. Too bad
its too late to help my bro, he is on chemo right now and thats too bad.
I get cancer, I just wait. No garbage in me.
thaelin
You can test the Max Gerson Therapy. You can find the book in amazon. It?s a nutritional therapy. Also, you can build the Robert Beck Device for a few dollars. Robert Beck protocol uses a magnetic pulser, a blood electrificaltion device, colloidal silver and ozonated water. The best thing to make stronger your inmune system is take germanium, sellenium and vitamine C as I read. But you must take the colloidal form of all that. Is a cheap way and you can try and test if that works or not. Hulda Clark also has some books, but you have to know very deeply how to follow her protocol. Is not easy. You must to study it months.
Why would anyone in their right mind use colloidal silver and risk a condition like Argyria?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria
Quote from: Thaelin on July 05, 2008, 06:04:33 PM
Guess you can always tell when you hit a nerve. ;D
Like I said, the nerve you hit is how angry quacks make me selling expensive cures to desperately ill people. I guess that doesn't phase you?
Please don't call Rife 'Doctor'. He never held a medical degree.
"Upon arrival in San Diego in 1906, Rife became chaffeur for industrialist and entrepeneur Henry Timken of Timken roller bearing and axle fame."
(from Royal R. Rife Humanitarian: Betrayed and Persecuted By Gerald F. Foye, available at http://books.google.com/books?id=EaJ-dT36SmIC)
I only just started posting on overunity.com because I saw this nonsense about Rife. Quackery is a topic I've studied for 20+ years.
Quacks and malcontents make deceptive or unfounded statements intended to portray others in a negative light.
Rife's microcope was quite an accomplishment...even by todays standards.
Not a quack by any standard.
Regards...
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 06, 2008, 01:11:10 PM
Why would anyone in their right mind use colloidal silver and risk a condition like Argyria?
Well because there are so many quacks telling very convincing sounding stories of how
"colloidal silver" and "monoatomic gold" and such nonsense "really works"
and even polishes your aura while it's at it ;) ;D
Even the famous "Blue Congressman" fell for it: http://www.billingsgazette.com/rednews/2002/10/03/build/local/72-candidate_large.inc
And of course a great many quasi-new-age webshops eagerly take advantage of such popular alchemist elixirs
and sell all kinds of "monoatomic" and/or "colloidal" and/or "cosmic light" mineral supplements. That independant lab tests
show that most of those don't even contain proper colloidal mineral solutions but rather the simple normal solution of the element,
or that "monoatomic" element solutions aren't even recognised in chemistry and physics does not keep such companies
from selling them, and does not keep people from falling for it.
But hey, if you want to believe that swallowing dissovled "monoatomic" gold will make you immortal, like some
people seem to believe, then of course it's their right to believe it... Just don't be surprised if they end up very mortal
and with heavy metal poisoning... ;)
Same with the "colloidal silver", just drink tto much of it and you go blueish grey, and that's still the least nasty effect.
Oh and as for the "Rife microscope", how do you explain that the microscope was claimed to see things that are
in fact smaller than can be seen using the wavelengths and techniques involved? Magic? :)
Howdy Y'all,
Chinese Herbal Medicine philosophy believes that each person my be evaluated and treated individually. What works for one person may or may not work for another. We are uniquely individual and the way we live our lives further complicates that equation. Even in the case of identical twins where the DNA is almost exactly alike the treatment of a dis-ease may be radically different. I think the same thing could be applied to the radionics devices. Each person may have individual frequencies. The frequency which may heal one person, could harm another person. Again in Chinese Herbal Medicine the doctor needs to get to know the patient very well in order to understand their personality, and lifestyle before the doctor will treat a patient. In this way we alone are responsible for our health. Who knows you better that you? If you learn about healing foods and apply that in your own life you are in essence becoming your own doctor. This is true for other forms of medicine and alternative therapies. I wouldn't try to do surgery on myself, but I am pretty good a knocking back the occasional cold or flu, and can do a lot to prevent those things.
Blessed Be Brothers...
It?s true that a lot of things claimed are scam and are not healing devices or potions. I think that there are some important factors to understand:
1. We have not enought knowledge to know very well the technologies and proccesses to make that holistic remedies effective. There are still a lot to know about that. As the guy said, a therapy may work for one person but using the same therapy with another person would make a different effect. It?s not easy to follow that kind of treatments. But sometimes is claimed that them work.
2. Scams are the most frequently disadvantage because there are too much people that want to earn money, playing with the feeling and emotions of terminal patients. They only claim a magic therapies, but they are only trash. They want only money and they aren?t worried about people health. Some weeks ago, a woman contacted with me to talk me about some miraculous products. I read some information about the studies made with that pills and I haven?t been 100% convenced, but I decided to know a little more about that. The final conclusion that I made is that they only want to sell the product and they don?t know really knowledge about the health. I spoke with a guy of the company and I made to him some questions about health and nutrition. They answered to me that I must only make questions about the business and don?t make questions about the therapy. They only prepare people to sell the product and make money and don?t to cure people.
3. This point is related with the point 1. Think... if a Doctor may don?t know how apply the technique exactly.... How could a patient treat itself? Most people think that kind of therapies are very easy to follow, but I have bought all the book from Hulda Clark are you must study the books for MONTHS. They are difficult to follow, and you must to understand very well what are you doing. A lot of people read a resume of 1 book and they think that they know how can they heal themself. When the people apply the method, they see that the method doesn?t work, and they say that the method is not true. But I think that some remedies could work, like the Bob Beck Protocol. You can build your own devices with the plans that you can get freely from the net. There is also a company that sells the some products ready to use, but if you want to buy your own devices you can make it. So, I think that if the man gave info for free, they therapy could work in some cases.
So, the best way to test if these kind of method are true or not is testing its. We would need to study dozens of books very well and make still some tests to find the best for us. So, if the problem is present in a moment of our lifes, someone will have the opportunity to test that theories and see positive or negative results. Until that day, we won?t know really info about that. We would only know theorical information.
Rife didn't pioneer anything. As I pointed out above, there were literally hundreds of frauds like Rife in the 1800's and early 1900's. You can read "The Medical Messiahs: A Social History of Health Quackery in Twentieth-Century America", a book written in 1967 for free at http://www.quackwatch.org/13Hx/MM/00.html just to get started on the long long list of frauds.
Anyone who believes Barry Lynes book about Rife need to check Lynes credentials. Lynes is a full-time astrologer and conspiracy theorist who got taken for a ride by John Crane, Rife's assistant. Unfortunately for cancer patients, Lynes book started an army of scammers creating and selling Rife machines. It got so bad that in the 1990's Lynes published a new edition apologizing for all the scams he had helped to create. If he really had a conscience he would have done more research and realized that Crane made most of it up. Crane's claims about Rife are clearly those of a man with paranoid delusions.
Here's an example from http://perso.orange.es/ligiajohn/crane_bio.htm
For some reason, in 1992, Crane decided to file a class action against the US authorities. In an affidavit dated 7th June 1992, Crane claimed that he was a private Attorney with over 20 years of litigation experience. In addition he stated that he had worked as an engineer in the "aerospace" industry and spent 14 years learning aerospace trades and jouneyman procedures. He also claimed to have graduated from the Sequoia Research Institute in September 1972 and stated that he had subsequently worked as a professor at the Sequoia University. In the same affidavit, Crane made some wild and exaggerated remarks regarding Rife's career from 1914 to 1939. Crane stated that Rife was "trained by the US Secret Service in Europe.....to catch sabotuers [sic] in Europe in optics by Kark [sic] Zeizz [sic] Corp and other chemical labs having been trained in the USA, Germany, Austria, Swizerland and Belgium in connection with said investigation and training." It is not known how far this legal attempt went, but it marked a sad and pathetic end to Crane's career.
Following Rife?s death in 1971, Crane continued to attract interested investors, but no agreements were concluded. From 1984 to 1988, Rife?s Universal Microscope passed through the hands of several groups and individuals who undertook to restore it, but no progress was made towards this goal. A federal legal action had to be initiated in order to have it returned, finally, to its legitimate owners ? Rife Labs, a company formed to revitalize Rife?s work in accordance with modern scientific methods.... A great deal of the failure to resurrect Rife?s discoveries and inventions in a way that would bring them into mainstream acceptance and utilization for countless people can be attributed to Crane?s greed, ego and obstructionism. He and a cohort of cronies, crooks and low-lifes who surrounded him during the period 1987 ? 1995 tried to exploit (Lynes) book for their own gain, in a way which did not serve the larger public interest, but utterly failed (indeed, did not even attempt) to corroborate Rife?s findings.... Crane died with a reputation for dishonest dealings. He had given the world a precious gift ? preserving Rife?s accomplishment ? but he apparently never comprehended his own greater obligations, and could never rise above his own narrow self-interest in order to accomplish objectives which clearly could have been attained through righteous dealings.?
I am still cured from the arthritis I had before I started wearing the lakhovsky coils I already mentioned before in this thread.I found out too that a personal friend of mine spent a week in Ohio in 2001 with Lee Crock at his church/clinic.At the time my friend was suffering from depression(both his parents had died and his wife of nearly 20 years had divorced him).So Lee Crock was not able to help him at that time.Still my friend enjoyed the week he was there.Triffid
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 06, 2008, 01:11:10 PM
Why would anyone in their right mind use colloidal silver and risk a condition like Argyria?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria
I have been using Colloidal Silver for over 2 years now. People who put Salt or any other electrolyte into the water to make the CS "stronger" or use Silver Salts are idiots. I have not had a cold or flu during flu season since. I don't take it everyday except when I am working and around large numbers of people for months on end. People with rampant flu and colds everywhere all around me and I just don't get it. I am not some sort of superman with a super-human immune system. Otherwise, if I feel a cold or whatever coming on I drink some CS, a few glasses of Ozone water and put on the Bob Beck Silver Pulser on for 2 hours and that's the end of that.
Russ Torlage of Sota Instruments was interviewed here talking about the different protocols.
http://helloearth.info/electricityforhealth/electricityforhealth.html
It's a very interesting 6-7 hours of info. I found the talk on Ozone rather eye-opening.
Will
Greetings,
If I hadn't used a rife machine starting about 1.5 years ago, I might not be writing this.
I also find it interesting how vehemently some people attack the rife technology and Rife himself. Having been in business myself for thirty years selling high efficiency insulation products and subject to the same type of attacks as directed towards Rife,I can pretty much guess that the attackers have never used a Rife machine and are most likely connected to some industry that the rife technology threatens.
Stupidity spawns stupidity.
An example: I was banned from the DIY.com forum because I kept asking the purveyors of low efficiency insulations to provided valid installed condition tests and correcting their obvious misrepresentations. I was eventually kicked off because I was supposedly using the unethical tactics used by these low efficiency endorsers.
And we wonder why things don't get better. Our society is based on corrupt inefficiency's. AND, it's getting worse every day.
"If I hadn't used a rife machine starting about 1.5 years ago, I might not be writing this."
Same here...only mine was just a downloaded frequency gen going through my stereo amp...Rife was the man...end of story there.
And in order to avoid looking like one, I don't speak out of my ass...although I had a Rife electrode sticking outta there for a time. ;D
As for the Lackosky coil...due to years of hard usage in sports I was not comfortable laying on my right side...but that condition has suddenly improved greatly.
Some arthritis in my hand for over a year is nearly gone...I can barely feel it now...and I seem to feel better than usual with more energy.
Regards...
Howdy Y'all,
Well, you know, there are always the bad apples hanging around. Maybe wizardofmars works for the FDA or is a doctor. That book sounds like something that the FDA would endorse, further spreading the word that only licensed professionals can heal, what a load of CRAP! The bottom line is if the therapy works use it. If the therapy gives you an addiction you are probably not going to be healed. This is the oldest form of extracting money from a group of people. Get them addicted to drugs, then bleed them dry, periodically raising the prices. Kind of sounds like gasoline and cigarettes huh?
I don't use a Rife generator myself, but I have a good fiend who does. He really loves it. I use food for healing. Plus a know an alternative Veterinarian who only uses drugs if it is absolutely necessary. Her therapies are food, Chinese herbs, vitamins, minerals, and trace elements. She has saved two of my dogs that a regular Vet would have put down. One is sixteen years old and she is running around all goofy just like a puppy.
I agree quackery and snake oil salesmen were once a big problem. Today's society is a lot more intelligent than the society of the 1800s. This is basically a question of freedom. Are you willing to give up your right to choose in order to be "protected" by the FDA? I want to be able to choose whatever therapy I want to use rather that having jackbooted thugs beating up the local Chinese Herb Shop owner. Whenever our liberties and freedoms are taken away in the name of "security" or our "protection" we are all suffering a GREAT disservice. When we loose the right to choose we are nothing more that slaves, or chattel. Those who would deny us those liberties and freedoms are tyrants and they should be removed from society as soon as humanly possible.
Go Rife Go!
Blessed Be Brothers...
There may be a lot of fraud things out there.
But I can solidly vouch for one product that is not.
Colloidal Silver definitely does work. I solidly stand behind it.
Anyone that tries to attack it, is probably backed or deceived by pharma.
For many years I suffered with serious colds every winter.
They used to have me bed ridden for weeks.
Then one winter I tried the colloidal silver, and no more serious colds.
Now I use the monatomic form of it, placed in a spray bottle.
3 or 4 sprays in the morning and before going to bed each day during cold season.
I haven't had a serious cold in over 6 years. As soon as I feel the sore throat which comes before a cold,
I just bring the spray bottle with me for the day and use a few sprays every few hours throughout the day.
And the sore throat never turns into a cold. I know unquestionably that it works.
Anyone that has taken my advice and uses it has had the same results as me.
As for the "Rife Machine":
I know a bit about electronics, especially about resonance.
Resonance is how a microwave oven heats food.
It resonates at the frequency of water, and causes any water in the food to heat up.
So the concept of the Rife Machine is based on solid laws of physics.
Find the frequency at which a bacteria or virus resonates and you can cook it.
Every one that has used a microwave oven to heat something has proven this technology does work.
So please stop insulting our intelligence by saying it doesn't work.
It is impossible for it not to work. Come on people use a little logic!!!
The only challenge is finding the right frequencies to cook every pathogen.
Of coarse big pharma will fight it tooth and nail, because it threatens there monopoly.
If we could overthrow the pharma monopoly, I see the day when a person suffering from a pathogen
will be able to lay do on a sensor bench which looks for the resonance signature from various pathogens.
And once it senses the signature it then zaps the patient with that frequency causing that pathogen to
vibrate until it is killed. Just like heating water. Only vibrate it with as much as is needed to kill it.
The most important work needs to be done to find and categorize what frequencies are harmful to healthy cells.
If only rife had worked on this area and listed the frequencies that need to be avoided.
Each pathogen has a different frequency it resonates at, and there are more then one frequency.
Just like water has more then one frequency that can be used to heat it up.
So when a pathogen resonates at the same frequency as a healthy cell we need to find the alternative frequency.
This is a very solid science, and with todays technology, we have all we need to make it possible.
It is a very very sad fact that all those multi billion dollar companies
will fight to prevent it's development.
I only pray that something will happen to change things.
Bravo, AbbaRue Bravo!
Rest assured that the change is in the works right now!
If we could take a Magnetic Resonance Imaging machine and alter its frequencies to the specific frequency of the aliment we can eliminate dis-ease altogether. The medical establishment has already created the tools to use to accomplish this. They lack the spirit, and the ingenuity to accomplish true healing. If you could take modern technical tools and modify them in the legacy of the shamanistic healer there could be healing instead of medicine. There could be wholeness instead of sickness. There could be productivity instead of sick leave. Just a slight alteration of our reality with a holistic tangent could change things dramatically for the better.
Remember that you are a God in progress...
Blessed Be Brother...
> QUOTE< So when a pathogen resonates at the same frequency as a healthy cell we need to find the alternative frequency.
I have been studying this for some time and as I mentioned before I know an electronics engineer who is engaged in developing and manufacturing energy related "healing" devices. He has not noted any ill effects with the rife frequencies.
Going thru the list of rife frequencies I see no frequencies that come even close to the frequency of human tissue, all types. To my knowledge no one has ever been injured by a rife frequency Rife himself was subject to various frequencies for over 40 years and suffered no ill effects, except those visited upon him by the "establishment"..
If you want more detailed info I suggest search rife.org
There is a lot of detailed technical info plus excerpts from the trail he was saddled with.
Pathogens have a very low vibratory rate whereas as healthy cells have a far higher rate of vibration.
They are virtually at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Regards...
Holy crap, a heated debate all of a sudden. This is really fun to read... :)
I think some of you need to separate fact from fiction. I touched about urban legends and myths of the free energy world in another thread so perhaps you might want to look it up, I don't want to repeat myself. Or maybe I'll write a real essay about it instead, though I'm afraid some (many) people might not like...but too bad...fact needs to be separated from fiction.
In any case, when are we going to grow up and stop peddling the same old information over and over again. It's time that we stop blindly believing and start knowing instead. Further more, when are some of you going to pick up some (old) books and read them instead of just playing down anything you hear that's older than you are.
Guess what? People existed before you were born and they had same, or even better ideas, than you do nowadays. And they were far more compassionate than most of you today are, sorry to say.
Lakhovsky MWO does not work, CS turns your skin blue, yah yah yah.
Here's my advice. Become a real, honest to God scientist - build and experiment with those things you are downplaying or ridiculing then report back here about what you have found out. Show some balls and try it on yourself like those people who have invented them. At least that will build some character in you. Some of those people have potentially risked their lives trying to make the world a better place to live in, but they were willing to go an extra mile - are you?
And it does not matter how silly or ridiculous some idea is. Just 150 years ago they laughed at people wanting to fly. 100 years ago they built an airplane and everyone just stopped laughing at them...
Lastly, I do not wish it upon anyone, but will it take something horrible to happen to you or someone in your family so that you start opening your eyes and looking into alternative means of healing. The present day Pharma-co's are shoving it up our behind, big time and they are not there to "help" us. They will continue doing so for as long as we allow them. It is time that we move on.
In closing, please, for your own sake, read those old books - the answers are all there, digested and ready to be applied. I *know* I have read some of them and was amazed at how much more they knew than we give them credit for.
There's no reason to re-invent hot water - Greeks have done it long ago, as they say. :)
Hi Cap-Z-ro
... pathogens like virii are in the 300nm spectral range. Have you ever wondered why they use UV light to sterilize instruments? What is the wavelength of UV light? :)
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 09, 2008, 08:48:23 PM
Pathogens have a very low vibratory rate whereas as healthy cells have a far higher rate of vibration.
They are virtually at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Regards...
Cancer cure, but FDA and doctors would rather have your cash and not the cure.
Of course, Sure thing. You can say that again. And Then?
We live in a world of deception, deceit, delusion.
A Matrix of mystification, pretence, racket, sham, spoof, subterfuge.
Nobody seems to be able to even tell if the beyond world is best that this very one.
Is it not any "War in Heaven"? Are not we doomed?
Please Google: Kyle Griffith War in Heaven, read and weep...
In (modern) French:
Mec, tu gonfles gr?ve avec tes questions ? la con...
Best???
Triffid noted:
"Ok,I have now learned about the lee crock energy devices here at overunity.com.Cost about 10 dollars to build if you manually switch the polarity for the screens by switching wires.Very interesting.Tends to turn back the clock,gives people more energy."
My understanding is that the polarity has to be switched every fifteen minutes. Does anyone have a circuit that switches the polarity on the Crock device electronically?
With thanks,
Bobby Smith
"... pathogens like virii are in the 300nm spectral range. Have you ever wondered why they use UV light to sterilize instruments? What is the wavelength of UV light?"
Hey amigo, hows it going.
Although I never looked into it, I'm guessing hey are both in the same range right.
You are correct in your above post...it never ceases to amaze me how people are so quick to dismiss something based on an opinion of unknown or unqualified sources.
Regards...
< QUOTE>"... pathogens like virisis -are in the 300nm spectral range. Have you ever wondered why they use UV light to sterilize instruments? What is the wavelength of UV light?"
Funny you should bring that up. Seems like they tried circulating blood thu a tube subject to UV to kill HIV. Didn't work. However the Beck unit based on a previous 1992 patent device does work on HIV. The Beck unit is a modified rife technology device. Cheap and portable. The doctors of the 1992 unit suddenly removed their unit from the public. All this info is on rife.org.
Howdy,
Oil of Oregano kills viruses, that includes AIDS, Herpes, the Flu, and all the others.
A concentrated therapeutic dose of Oil of Oregano will fix the trouble.
O-Ray-Gun-O
Hahahaha....
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: rbisys2 on July 10, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
< QUOTE>"... pathogens like virisis -are in the 300nm spectral range. Have you ever wondered why they use UV light to sterilize instruments? What is the wavelength of UV light?"
Funny you should bring that up. Seems like they tried circulating blood thu a tube subject to UV to kill HIV. Didn't work. However the Beck unit based on a previous 1992 patent device does work on HIV. The Beck unit is a modified rife technology device. Cheap and portable. The doctors of the 1992 unit suddenly removed their unit from the public. All this info is on rife.org.
If I recall correctly the original research that Beck had based his device on applied current to the circulated blood supply. And Beck himself said in some of his lectures that it was done on purpose so that they could charge money for it (customer...errr..patient would have to go the hospital and get his blood circulated through the machine to be electrified).
Beck thought about it and figured he could induce micro-currents through induction without the need to circulate the blood, with the same effect at the end. Talk about ingenuity of a very clever mind. :)
As far as the HIV, I read somewhere (can't remember exactly, should've saved the text to my computer, duh) that the virus is protein coated (engineered?) so in order for it to be rendered ineffective a protein coating has to be removed. Apparently there's a compound that can be extracted from some plant growing in China that can do this, affect this specific protein coating.
Sounds to me like an fairytale story but they also said that they have tried to bring the plant out of China on several occasions without much success, because it was on the controlled list or something (for a purpose, eh?)
UV is such a broad spectrum, to kill all virii one would have to sweep across the spectrum, but then you are running into a problem of how to generate multi-wave oscillations such frequencies, not to mention you could not use this on humans, mostly for sterilizing non-organic items.
A Light Engine could probably work - you would generate a wavelength of any frequency based on the set oscillation and not the conventional way the light is created. But this deals with Wave Domain and nano-scale structures and most of the practical research I've looked in this field is done by various entities (research teams, companies etc) under the contract for the Military Industrial Complex...sigh.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on July 10, 2008, 02:50:20 PM
Hey amigo, hows it going.
Although I never looked into it, I'm guessing hey are both in the same range right.
You are correct in your above post...it never ceases to amaze me how people are so quick to dismiss something based on an opinion of unknown or unqualified sources.
Regards...
Heya Cap-Z-ro
I think it all boils down to what are we going to do about it...an action is needed - a paradigm shift, very soon, if not now. :)
Cheers!
<If I recall correctly the original research that Beck had based his device on applied current to the circulated blood supply. And Beck himself said in some of his lectures that it was done on purpose so that they could charge money for it (customer...errr..patient would have to go the hospital and get his blood circulated through the machine to be electrified)>
No, Beck simplified the device your referring to. You need to get hold of the article on rife.org. I think rexresearch.com published the same piece. The original two drs. patented the device but after threats from the establishment denied any assoc'n or knowledge about their patented device. The device worked. The Beck device works too. It has to be applied to certain areas of the body to affect the blood as it flows near the device. There are drawings on web that shows how to use the Beck device.
Your right about the coating and because of the nature of the frequencies to wear(?) the coating thin, the device can only be used for a short time,I believe every other day, OTHERWISE the frequency and current, though small, can affect other aspects of the body. This why it takes a bit of time for the virus to be killed off completely. The device is simple, the application isn't.
Feed back to me is that there is some immediate effects at helping the the T count and that users feel generally better in a short period of time.
Hi All
If you want to get good info on Rife, buy the book "Lost Science" by Gerry Vassilatos link here:
http://www.borderlands.com/vassilatos.htm
I think this is a reprint of original book which I have. The original priced out of reach by used book dealers. So, Borderlands, reprinted the book. When you read the chapter on Rife, you will cry what the "establishment" did to him.
Big pharma owns the FDA with officials changing chairs between big pharma and the FDA. Many on FDA voting to approve drugs they themselves hold the patents! Surely conflict of interest that any honest court would dis-allow. The problem is they own the federal judges too.
I can speak for the benefit of the Hulda Clark zapper. I even had a raised blotch on my face fall off after regular use. I thought it was a birthmark. I had it since I was a child. When I grew up. I had to be careful shaving around it not to cut it. I was about 58 when it came off.
I had to go to China for an extended stay. I figured an electronic device with a battery in it would be suspicious getting through airline security. So, I took some MMS with me to mix and use in China. Link here: Download free Part I ebook.
http://www.miraclemineral.org/index.php
I took it to help a friend who was dying of cancer. Unfortunately, orthodox treatment killed her before I could get there.
FDA approved drug reactions are the third leading cause of death in this country. Something the media is deafening silent on. If the same standards were applied to drugs as they are to guns and vitamins, it would be illegal to take a prescription drug or have them in your possession. Going to the doctor is dangerous to your health should be a warning label above the doctor's office door.
I guess enough of a rant.
Tishatang
QUOTE <I guess enough of a rant.>
Rant on, rant on. The more we rant the greater the possibility of enlightening others.
the easiest ways to remove cancer causing materials (preservatives, MSG, salt, heavy metals, ETC) from your body/cells, is to consume whole, undamaged vitamins and minerals.
the pure/healthy vitamins and minerals push the bad crap out. so it can be removed.
pyradyne dot com sells pure vitamins i trust. there is a whole lot in one $30 bottle too.
fred bell is a windbag. and he doesn't know how to communicate well. but the science behind his devices is true. and he is competent enough to not poison anyone by accident.
I guess it isn't just me that thought Fred was a little windy :).
Regards...
More news on the lakhovsky coils.I went to visit my brother and his wife last night.Last time I was there I could hardly move.So they noticed I was moving around a lot better than last time(over 3 months ago).So the coils became the main discussion for the rest of the evening.His wife has MS and back and neck pain(from an auto accident),Also her doctors have told her they can do nothing else for her back and neck.So she is going to start wearing homemade lakhovsky coils to see if she improves.
I am a believer in the lakhovsky coils because of my own personal experience.They cured my arthritis
in my ankle .After a month of wearing two of them.No change in diet or anything else.triffid
Quote from: amigo on July 09, 2008, 09:54:15 PM
In closing, please, for your own sake, read those old books - the answers are all there, digested and ready to be applied. I *know* I have read some of them and was amazed at how much more they knew than we give them credit for.
I'll take your challenge. Find me a reputable book on Rife. You know, the book where they detail how the Rife microscope and Rife Ray worked, how they tested it, and where Rife lays out his theories. The book where they provide references for their info. Not a Lynes book full of conspiracy theories. To my knowledge that book doesn't exist. Everything I've seen, even on rife.org, is completely vague or contradicts what we know about physics 50+ years later. Hence, the overwhelming evidence is Rife was just another in a long line of con men.
"Sadly, in most cases, the cancer patients lost precious time - three or four months - before recognising that they had been swindled in a clever marketing scheme. People died because they had faithfully used the worthless black box instead of orthodox or alternative, non-conventional cancer therapies which actually worked."
?Barry Lynes, writing a postscript to later editions of his book on Rife, The Cancer Cure that Worked!
Quote from: rbisys2 on July 11, 2008, 09:45:19 PM
The original two drs. patented the device but after threats from the establishment denied any assoc'n or knowledge about their patented device.
Can you back this up with evidence? What is the patent number?
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 14, 2008, 06:59:52 PM
Can you back this up with evidence? What is the patent number?
Ah, you're new around here! See, the whole "evidence" thing does not fly very well here. It's kind of a circle. Because mainstream science and medicine are evil, and because they use the scientific method, then the scientific method itself is wrong. So you cannot apply the scientific method or any form of rigid, demanding analysis to the claims here. So anything goes and everyone makes progress and adds excellent new info to the discussion, and no one notices that no one really gets anywhere. It all works great and it is largely harmless (at least with perpetual motion research) and everyone is happy until someone actually takes some crackpot medical advice seriously and dies of cancer while chewing on apricot seeds.
QUOTE <Can you back this up with evidence? What is the patent number?>
Sorry guy, I don't have time to do our research. But it is on rife.org and I think rexreasearch.com and educateyourself.com.
Considering your remarks I find it hard to believe that you have researched this to any extent. I have a feeling this is your reaction to anything that doesn't fit into your preconceived beliefs. So be it.
I can tell you this, I have used my rife machine for over a year and have seen some impressive results. I sorry this doesn't fit into the way you think things should work.
There is another post down a few bars on radiant barriers. It would be interesting to see what your opinions about this technology is.
Quote from: utilitarian on July 14, 2008, 10:31:58 PM
Ah, you're new around here! See, the whole "evidence" thing does not fly very well here. It's kind of a circle. Because mainstream science and medicine are evil, and because they use the scientific method, then the scientific method itself is wrong. So you cannot apply the scientific method or any form of rigid, demanding analysis to the claims here. So anything goes and everyone makes progress and adds excellent new info to the discussion, and no one notices that no one really gets anywhere. It all works great and it is largely harmless (at least with perpetual motion research) and everyone is happy until someone actually takes some crackpot medical advice seriously and dies of cancer while chewing on apricot seeds.
Scientific method my ass, how about the greed method. I know at least 10 people to date that after taking b17 have no trace of cancer after being diagnosed where the scientific treatment has failed them. BAH!! to the FDA for trying to outlaw B17. They would have did the same thing with vitamin C if they had the greedy medical/political infrastructure around Scurvy like they have around cancer today. Fact is they have been trying to get there greedy hands on Vitamin C for years now to have it controlled.
Just because b17 is a natural substance does not mean it was not proven in a scientific way to remove or kill cancer cells .Scientist studied it for many many years and some pen pusher from the FDA labeled quackery. This had nothing to do with science , it had to do with politics!
IronHead
Quote from: IronHead on July 15, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Scientific method my ass, how about the greed method. I know at least 10 people to date that after taking b17 have no trace of cancer after being diagnosed where the scientific treatment has failed them. BAH!! to the FDA for trying to outlaw B17. They would have did the same thing with vitamin C if they had the greedy medical/political infrastructure around Scurvy like they have around cancer today. Fact is they have been trying to get there greedy hands on Vitamin C for years now to have it controlled.
Just because b17 is a natural substance does not mean it was not proven in a scientific way to remove or kill cancer cells .Scientist studied it for many many years and some pen pusher from the FDA labeled quackery. This had nothing to do with science , it had to do with politics!
IronHead
I never said that just because something is a natural substance, it cannot help cure cancer. If you think B17 is so great, fine, take it when you get cancer. But if you want someone else to actually believe you, then you fund the clinical trials. A simple Internet search has pulled up what clinical trials there were, and there was no indication that B17 was helpful in this regard.
While your claim of 10 people being cured by it sounds nice, there is just not enough information there. For example, what other medication were they given, what was the control group, was the test double-blind, was a placebo given out, to what level did each person get better, did cancer come back, etc.? See, this is the sort of evidence required to establish that a drug works as advertised. I am sure you really do not care for such rigorous proof, and that's fine. But that is my entire point.
Quote from: utilitarian on July 14, 2008, 10:31:58 PM
Ah, you're new around here! See, the whole "evidence" thing does not fly very well here. It's kind of a circle. Because mainstream science and medicine are evil, and because they use the scientific method, then the scientific method itself is wrong. So you cannot apply the scientific method or any form of rigid, demanding analysis to the claims here. So anything goes and everyone makes progress and adds excellent new info to the discussion, and no one notices that no one really gets anywhere. It all works great and it is largely harmless (at least with perpetual motion research) and everyone is happy until someone actually takes some crackpot medical advice seriously and dies of cancer while chewing on apricot seeds.
The patent has recently been removed from the ustpo.org it was number 5188738
Here's another copy of the patent >> http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5188738.html
Here's an excerpt from the "crackpots" that were awarded the patent.
"...the present invention has been devised to attenuate any bacteria, virus
(including the AIDS HIV virus) parasites and/or fungus contained in blood
contributed by a donor to the point that any such contaminant is rendered
ineffective for infecting a normally healthy human cell, but does not make
the blood biologically unfit for use in humans. Similar problems exist
with respect to treatment of other body fluids, such as amniotic fluids.
The treatment method and system is also applicable to mammals other than
humans."
I found this link for B17 at $23.00 at http://www.tjsupply.com for 100mg and $84.00 for 500mg. Good luck. I think the 100mg would be alright but think i would try to find it in a normal food intake way. ;D
Quote from: amigo on July 10, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
I think it all boils down to what are we going to do about it...an action is needed - a paradigm shift, very soon, if not now. :)
Hi Amigo.. & everyone ..
Take a study break on this link. You'll find your paradigm shift
has been in action now for a very long time. Hope this helps..
http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/stop_cancer_with_baking_soda.htmlLive long and prosper.
Make it so.
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Greetings,
I happened by this article I was referring to when I told wizardofr to search for himself.
This is from educateyourself.com.
Educate-Yourself
The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought ?
The Story of Blood Electrification ?
By Ken Adachi <Editor>
http://educate-yourself.org/be/index.shtml
January 2000
Update!November 18, 2006: **Important 1996 Lab Report from Kaali & Lyman Detailing the Deactivation of HIV/AIDS Virus with minute Direct Electrical Currents --Seen for the first time on the internet**
Biocompatible Electric Current Attentuates HIV Infectivity (Nov. 18, 2006)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/LymanKaalibiocompatibleHIV1996report18nov06.shtml
The Discovery
In the Fall of 1990, two medical researchers, Drs.William Lyman and Steven Kaali, working at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City made an important discovery. They found that they could inactivate the HIV virus by applying a low voltage direct current electrical potential with an extremely small current flow to AIDS infected blood in a test tube. Initially, they discovered this in the lab by inserting two platinum electrodes into a glass tube filled with HIV-1 (type 1) infected blood. They applied a direct current to the electrodes and found that a current flow in the range of 50-100 microamperes (uA) produced the most effective results. Practically all of the HIV viral particles were adversely affected while normal blood cells remained unharmed. The viral particles were not directly destroyed by the electric current, but rather the outer protein coating of the virus was affected in such a way as to prevent the virus from producing reverse transcriptase, a necessary enzyme needed by the virus to invade human cells. Reverse transcriptase allows the virus to enter a human T cell line (called CEM-SS) and commandeer the DNA reproduction machinery. After using the host cell to reproduce itself into thousands of new virii, the swollen host cell (now called syncytia or giant cell) will burst and spew the contents into the bloodstream or lymph system. This is how the virus spreads, but lacking reverse transcriptase, the HIV virus can't invade the host cell and it becomes vulnerable to destruction by the body's immune system. (The details of this experiment can be read from Kaali's patent application.)
Getting the Word Out?
A brief announcement of this discovery appeared in The Houston Post (Mar 20, 1991), then in Science News (Mar. 30, 1991 pg. 207) and later in Longevitymagazine: (Dec.1992 pg. 14). Following their work in the Fall of 1990, Kaali and Lyman presented their findings at the First International Symposium on Combination Therapies (an AIDS conference) in Washington DC on March 14th, 1991. Kaali outlined two methods for treating an AIDS patient with this new therapy: One method involved removing a small amount of blood, electrifying it and then returning it to the patient's body. The second method involved sewing a miniature electrifying power supply along with two tiny electrodes directly into the lumen of an artery. For long term treatment, the mini electrifying unit needed to be removed and relocated to a new artery site after 30-45 days since scar tissue and calcification forming around the implant unit would lead to artery blockage. Kaali (along with co-inventorPeter Schwolsky) filed for a patent on this implantable electrifying device on Nov 16, 1990 and nine months later was granted patent #5,139,684 on August 18, 1992. It's interesting to note two things here:
1. In order to obtain a patent from the United States Patent Office, Kaali and Schwolsky had to prove that the device works as claimed. Lacking solid proof, US patents are simply not granted.
2. Very often it takes years to obtain a patent, yet this patent was granted in only nine months; a further indication to me of the strength of their demonstrated claims
It's also interesting to note that other than the 3 publications mentioned above and the March '91 AIDS conference, nothing again appeared in print, radio, or TV about this important discovery as a potential treatment and cure for AIDS from Kaali and company. Most knowledgeable observers feel that Kaali and Lyman's discovery was intentionally suppressed following the March '91 AIDS conference presentation. If AIDS research was on the level and not the sham that it actually is, this should have made front page news around the world. (Around 1999, I was contacted by a woman with AIDS who had managed to reach Dr. William Lyman over the phone. She asked him about his experiments with Kaali regarding blood electrification and if she could obtain the treatment through them. Lyman denied any knowledge of any AIDS treatment or cure. He said he never heard of Dr. Kaali and he had no idea what she was talking about concerning blood electrification and then hung up on her. What does that tell about the power of the people behind the suppression of this discovery?)
Enter Dr Bob Beck
A man named Walter Schnitder drew Dr Robert C. Beck'sattention to the above-mentioned item in Science News. Beck looked up the patent and decided to try and duplicate the therapy, but he wanted to do it non-invasively; that is by applying the electric current from outside the body. Now if you apply a direct current (DC) potential to the skin, you're going to get an electrolysis effect and that can cause problems, so Beck designed a circuit that varied the voltage with an alternating current (AC) at a very low frequency and avoided the electrolysis problem. The waveform that Beck chose is not the typical sine wave seen in AC household outlets, but rather is a bi-phasic square wave, meaning that the waveform voltage has a positive half and a negative half, allowing the current to reverse direction each half cycle. Square waves generate a large number of harmonics. Harmonics are frequency multiples of the original frequency. Odd harmonics are mutibles of the original frequency multiplied by 3, 5, 7 etc. and even harmonics are multibles of 2. For example, the odd harmonics of a 4 Hertz (Hz) square wave would be 12 Hz , 20 Hz, 28 Hz, etc. right up into the radio frequency range.
Georges Lakhovsky, Nikola Tesla and many other scientists had discovered that everything in Nature has its own resonant frequency including every bacteria, virus, parasite, and fungus on the planet. Dr. Royal Rife was able to cure terminal, end stage cancers in the 1930's by applying the specific resonant frequencies of certain unique bacteria that are always assocaited wtih all types of cancers. The steady application of the bacteria's resonant frequency by plasma wave radiation caused the bacteria to internally shatter and eviscerate, thus destroying it (and all the other bacteria within the body that possessed the same resonant frequency) .
While Kaali and Lyman used DC current to deactivate the AIDS virus, Beck found that he could get he same results using the 3.92HZ square wave. Kaali and Lyman found that the amount of the current applied was the critcal factor and if they kept the current within a range of 50-100 micro amperes- they were able to disable the HIV virus within a petri dish as mentioned above. Kaali then worked out a design of a small battery with two tiny electrodes that could be sewn directly into an artery in the arm or leg. By maintaining the current flow between the two electrodes within the 50-100 micro ampere range, the HIV particles were gradually disabled within the bloodstream and the AIDS victim would gradually recover his health. The procedure required surgery that costs about $5,000 (at that time). The implanted electrodes would cause scarring of the artery walls, so they had to be removed and implanted in a new section of an artery every month or so, costing another $5,000 each time the procedure was done. It took about 6 or 7 months to see a substantial improvement in the AIDS patient.
Beck studied Kaali's patent and tried applying the electrodes to the skin directly over those arteries that were close enough to the skin surface. The 50-100 micro ampere current could be created within the artery by electromagnetic induction allowing the entire therapy to be applied externally, without the need for implanting electrodes into the arteries. The device he put together to accomplish this is today called a blood electrifier.
Beck started by applying his blood electrifier to himself. He originally placed the electrodes over leg arteries near the ankles of either leg, then changed the location to two different spots on the arm, and finally found that it worked just as well if he placed the two electrodes near each other over the ulnar and radial arteries just behind the wrist. To find the correct location in order to center the electrodes exactly over the artieries, Bob recommends carefully feeling for the pulse of either artery and marking the path of the artery with a ball point pen. You can then memorize the correct location and align the electrodes over the artery path precisely and hold them in place with a stretchy wrist band that's held together with velcro.
Beck Breakfast Group
Bob Beck has been giving talks for many, many years on a variety of topics from Tesla to psychotronics. I first heard him in 1994 on an after-midnight radio show out of Los Angeles called "Something's Happening" with Roy of Hollywood ( KPFK, 90.7 FM). Bob was getting ready to give a talk at the Pasadena Health Expo that upcoming weekend and proceeded to explain to Roy what he had discovered with blood electrification. I was amazed and blown away by what he told Roy. I had to learn more, so I made it my business to be at that convention and attend Bob's talk.
To Be Continued...
Related
Learn more about Dr Bob Beck's discovery of blood electrification and other Beck protocols directly from Bob Beck himself by obtaining any of our four Beck videos available on the Products page.
You can also read more information about blood electrification from this article printed in Nexus magazine in 1998.
Contact the Editor for more information about Bob Beck's blood electrifier device
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Howdy Rbisys2,
Excellent work finding that very detailed information.
"Seek ye the truth, and the truth shall set you free" -JC
Blessed Be Brothers...
triffid:
you really don't want to eat apple seeds.they contain a cyanide compound in them.Make a homemade
lakhovsky coil instead.Read www.copperhealth.com and (in my opinion)any copper wire is better than no copper wire.Make your own coil using any copper wire on hand.Don't run out to buy #10 guage copper,do that later if you want.Lakhovsky coils had a cure rate of 99% on cancer and the treatment dissappeared soon after his death in the early 1940's.triffid
Cyanide is a component of b17. It is made up of 4 molecules. 2 sugars and 2 poisons.
There is an enzyme in the cancer cell and only in cancer cells that break down the b17. The cyanide is released and kills the cancer cell. So yes there is cyanide in b17 but it is working for your body by killing the cancer.
Brian
Quote from: ffonz on July 18, 2008, 06:06:18 AM
Hi Amigo.. & everyone ..
Take a study break on this link. You'll find your paradigm shift
has been in action now for a very long time. Hope this helps..
http://healthnews.benabraham.com/html/stop_cancer_with_baking_soda.html
Live long and prosper.
Make it so.
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Thanks for the great link there is so much great info in those articles !!
I'll point out a couple of problems with that article, which has been floating around conspiracy circles forever.
#1 "1. In order to obtain a patent from the United States Patent Office, Kaali and Schwolsky had to prove that the device works as claimed. Lacking solid proof, US patents are simply not granted."
This is incorrect. Working models are not required for a patent. If I patent a new type of nuclear reactor, do you think the USPTO goes out and builds one? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduction_to_practice
#2 Bob Beck's protocol has very little in common with the method described in the Kaali paper. To go from a single paper that shows the possible action of DC electricity on HIV to claiming that invitro application of AC electricity is the cure to all diseases is the hallmark of a quack.
#3 The patent referenced has not been removed from the USPTO. The other references to this information being 'suppressed' are also pretty flimsy. But don't believe me - you can ask Dr Kaali for yourself. http://www.ivfpregnancycenter.com/
#4 From what I've seen of Beck (who died in 2002), there wasn't a single quack medical theory he didn't agree with. Not to mention the aliens...
Quote from: Tempest on July 18, 2008, 10:36:06 AM
triffid:
you really don't want to eat apple seeds.they contain a cyanide compound in them.
http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/apples.asp
Greetings,
Good points, however...... Why is it that the engineer, I know, who has made several of the Beck devices says people with HIV have gotten better by using the Beck device? His survival doesn't depend on dispensing them and if they didn't work he wouldn't be involved, he has bigger fish to fry. I have had conversations with him were he describe in detail how the device works and the precautions that have to be taken in using it.
So I'll note your objections, but still go by an expert in the field.
QUOTE <Hence, the overwhelming evidence is Rife was just another in a long line of con men.>
If you read the history you'll find that it was the AMA who help set up the original 16 cancer cases to test the Rife technology. When that test passed with flying colors they tried to get the Rife patent.
The way you keep coming back makes me wonder if you aren't an AMA black ops..
Quote from: rbisys2 on July 20, 2008, 09:35:16 PM
If you read the history you'll find that it was the AMA who help set up the original 16 cancer cases to test the Rife technology. When that test passed with flying colors they tried to get the Rife patent.
I assume you are referring to the Barry Lynes history of Rife, which is a highly suspect book written by an astrologer who is fond of conspiracy theories and who got most of his info from John Crane, a desperate old drunk and conman who was certifiable by the time Lynes met him.
Lynes 'history' is full of easily disproved claims e.g. Lynes claimed that Dr Milbank Johnson was poisoned the day before he was going to reveal the results of his research of Rife. In reality, Milbank Johnson died of natural causes six years after he dropped his interest in Rife, and Lynes could have figured this out with five minutes of actual research rather than speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbank_Johnson
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The way you keep coming back makes me wonder if you aren't an AMA black ops..
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Quote from: rbisys2 on July 20, 2008, 09:24:02 PM
Why is it that the engineer, I know, who has made several of the Beck devices says people with HIV have gotten better by using the Beck device? His survival doesn't depend on dispensing them and if they didn't work he wouldn't be involved, he has bigger fish to fry. I have had conversations with him were he describe in detail how the device works and the precautions that have to be taken in using it.
Who knows why people tell wild stories and tall tales? The motivation isn't always financial (although in this area it's certainly common to find a money trail at the end of it).
There have been tricksters and story tellers since the beginning of recorded human history. Some people tell stories to make themselves feel more important in the scheme of things. Others do it just to be culture jammers. It's extremely common in the UFO or parapsychological fields to find people who just make stuff up for the hell of it.
Ultimately, the story about Kaali and Beck and blood electrification is just that - an interesting story that has limited factual and scientific basis. Kaali probably erred in his research and Beck is clearly a colorful character who loved the attention (just read his website for proof of that). I've yet to see any evidence that Kaali's research was suppressed despite many claims to the contrary.
There are thousands of labs all over the world that could replicate this work if they wished. Either there is a massive conspiracy to suppress this research, or the claims in the patent don't work in practice and Beck was just winging it. One team of researchers in a lab in China could easily commercialize it if it worked, but the assumption here is that nobody on the planet can do this because of some mysterious suppression effort. In my experience, given the global scale of medical research, such a conspiracy would have to cover the US, Europe, Asia, Africa - millions of researchers - dozens of different political systems and national agendas which make the AMA and Big Pharma look puny by comparison.
What's more likely?
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 21, 2008, 02:10:42 AM
There are thousands of labs all over the world that could replicate this work if they wished. Either there is a massive conspiracy to suppress this research, or the claims in the patent don't work in practice and Beck was just winging it. One team of researchers in a lab in China could easily commercialize it if it worked, but the assumption here is that nobody on the planet can do this because of some mysterious suppression effort. In my experience, given the global scale of medical research, such a conspiracy would have to cover the US, Europe, Asia, Africa - millions of researchers - dozens of different political systems and national agendas which make the AMA and Big Pharma look puny by comparison.
What's more likely?
Wizardofmars,
Unfortunately, on a large scale people just want to be told what to do. They blindly follow things like Religion, Political Figures, Environmental Movements etc. and their compartmentalized version of reality leaves little room for differing opinions.
The defeatist attitude that humans are all scum because Al Gore and David Mayer de Rothschild say that we are going to destroying the planet with C02 emissions is a good example of this. Firstly anybody who would follow Al "I created the Internet" Gore to save the planet needs to have their head examined. HOW MUCH DEPLETED URANIUM DID HIS BOMB THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF IN KOSOVO AND SARAJEVO ? How many children are dying of cancer and being born with horrifying bitch defects because of this piece of trash, but you try telling that to a tree hugger.
I can only tell you my experiences with it, I have not cured myself of cancer or aids because I don't have those conditions but I have gotten rid of colds and flu with the Beck Protocol in 12 hours. My hands and knees were becoming sore and stiffing up and I was losing strength in my hands. Whether it was the early onset of Arthritis I don't know for sure but it's been about 19 months since using a Magnetic Pulser (for less than a week) and these problems disappeared and have not been back.
As for B-17 well have a look at this report submitted to the US Congress in 1953:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2007/04/03/1953_fitzgerald_report_suppressed_cancer_treatments.htm
Regards Will
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on July 21, 2008, 08:19:09 AM
Unfortunately, on a large scale people just want to be told what to do. They blindly follow things like Religion, Political Figures, Environmental Movements etc. and their compartmentalized version of reality leaves little room for differing opinions.
Maybe so, but in a marketplace of free ideas, a powerful cure for all diseases that was in the public eye for decades would eventually turn up somewhere. The fact that Beck, Rife, Clarke etc does not is because much of this stuff is the remnants of the 19th century health frauds that infested America with their electrical health machines. It's a dead end because it doesn't work, is generally based on long discarded theories of disease, physics and anatomical models plus a large dose of weird science and a desire for money and/or fame.
It's ironic that you reject global warming (which is backed by millions of hours of scientific research) and yet appear willing to accept the Beck protocol based on the limited evidence of just your own experience. ::)
Double post
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 21, 2008, 09:07:47 AM
It's ironic that you reject global warming (which is backed by millions of hours of scientific research) and yet appear willing to accept the Beck protocol based on the limited evidence of just your own experience. ::)
I don't claim to be an expert on anything, but I have learned to question many things that society and governments impose upon us like Carbon Taxes which are going to save us how ?
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
Will
Greetings,
Seems like we have two AMA black ops on this post.
Neither one of them have ever used a rife device.
Best thing to do, IGNORE THEM. They'll eventually go poison another post.
Quote from: eastcoastwilly on July 21, 2008, 11:02:49 AM
http://www.oism.org/pproject/
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.
The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.I have no problem with questioning the status quo, but don't let your mind be so open your brain falls out. The OISM is not a credible source for much, if anything.
For the record, 20 years ago I believed all this nonsense - my grandmother filled my head full of Erik von Daniken, Lobsang Rampa, Kirlian aura's and Carlos Castaneda among others bogus mystical and pseudoscience topics. It took me years to figure out how to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Greetings,
I really didn't want to respond, but you make it so tempting.
You're reacting to overdose at a young age. Unfortunately too many parents do this in hopes they'll jump start their children. I tried this and although I didn't try to impose too many advance ideas, I could see the reaction. What it boils down to is you can only teach children by your actions. Most of the ideas are over their heads except for the most simple ideas. Children, people, you, me will move toward those ideas, people, places that will best fulfill the journey of their soul and the path may seem perfectly normal to the individual. but completely wacko to those around them. But, the journey always ends with the prize rewarded at the end.
It's obvious you over reacted, but, in metaphysical jargon the pendulum will swing the other way. How far is up to you. But it will swing. You came into your family group to be exposed to certain ideas and experiences. You'll forgive your parents and thank them for the ultimate goal even if the lines of the play were not perfectly delivered.
Your self conditioning forces you to now look for the"devil in the details" There will always be devils in the details, it's the final goal you keep your eyes on.
Hi all,
Sorry, been away for a bit, just cooling off, so could not reply to posts above...I'll just put some remarks below and go from there :)
Apples:
The cyanide poison proponents can take that one to the bank and try to cash it. All I can say from my short existence and experience is that the Nature does not package things that have no purpose, human ignorance does that. Many animals eat the apples and other fruits with pips containing cyanide all the time, and those animals do not die from poisoning. Actually if anyone carried a study maybe they'd show they are as healthy as ever.
Only humans tell their young not to eat pips and to discard the package that Nature has conveniently packaged for us. Hell, when you think about it how many other things we do not consume as a whole package but toss parts away while animals eat as a whole?
And no, please do not quote me Natural packages that contain cellulose because I am aware humans do not digest cellulose, but apples aren't one of those either...
Rife:
I admit I did not devote truly extensive time to research him, never the less I am aware of the works and details. To me his story is one of those Urban Legends or Myths developed around a lot of hear-say. We also have couple of profiteers, being no better than Big Pharma, in my humble opinion, who build Rife like devices and sell them for extortion prices to desperate Terrans.
Somehow I feel there's more to Rife than we know, something to do with him as a person, a being. Perhaps he had some other, hidden talent that he did not tell anyone about...
Lakhovsky:
Did anyone care to read his book Secret of Life and the accompanying BSRF Handbook on MWO?
There's much to Lakhovsky's life that people do not take into account. From what I could gather, he had someone helping him occasionally by providing direction and guidance, maybe a spiritual teacher of sorts or just an advisor, behind the curtains.
Further more, Lakhovsky was big into dowsing and radiestesia and he noted many times that his devices were custom built and tuned for the occasion and place. He would use dowsing to double and triple check his designs and setups, beside consulting the person I mentioned above.
I regret not knowing French because there is another book from him only available in French language. Besides, I believe there are some other publications related to him also only available in French as well, sigh...
Beck:
Beck had clearly (at least to me) stated that the original patent on the method was not practical - you had to pump blood out through some machine, energize it and pump it back into the body. Beck, an inventor and tinkerer, wanted a more practical and non-evasive way to induce current in the blood stream without having to remove the blood from the body. Is there any doubt that his method does not induce micro-currents in the blood, because we are not talking science fiction here but physics?
There's a lot of valuable research that's put into the same pile with the the less reputable and questionable ones. Never the less, we should not discard the idea just because it sounds crazy, right now, might not be crazy tomorrow, even from a quack.
Things in Nature are cumulative and if we wish to play along we must do it as Nature directs us. Curing dis-eases has to be done at Nature's pace, gradually, be it a day, a week or a month. Why else does it take time for Lakhovsky coils, Beck pulser and other wonderful devices to show results? Granted, humans have found shortcuts to many things, but are those shortcuts necessarily a good thing on the long run knowing about the cumulative effects?
In retrospect, looking back to the future, curing dis-eases was not a "matter" of matter but mind, we are just far from it and for a good reason, too.
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 21, 2008, 09:07:47 AM
It's ironic that you reject global warming (which is backed by millions of hours of scientific research) and yet appear willing to accept the Beck protocol based on the limited evidence of just your own experience. ::)
Hi Will.. Keep that open mind .. you're on the right track :D
Check this out.. you're in very good company!
Here's a huge bunch of very VERY bright guys who agree with you.. ;)
Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming DebateMichael Asher (Blog) - July 16, 2008 9:35 PM
"Considerable presence" of skepticsThe American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,
"There is
a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion (that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution.)"
The APS is opening its debate with the publication of a paper by Lord Monckton of Brenchley, which concludes that climate sensitivity -- the rate of temperature change a given amount of greenhouse gas will cause -- has been grossly overstated by IPCC modeling. A low sensitivity implies additional atmospheric CO2 will have little effect on global climate.
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chairman of the New England Section of the APS, called Monckton's paper an "expose of the IPCC that details numerous exaggerations and "extensive errors"
In an email to DailyTech, Monckton says, "I was dismayed to discover that the IPCC's 2001 and 2007 reports did not devote chapters to the central 'climate sensitivity' question, and did not explain in proper, systematic detail the methods by which they evaluated it. When I began to investigate, it seemed that the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."
According to Monckton, there is substantial support for his results, "in the peer-reviewed literature, most articles on climate sensitivity conclude, as I have done, that climate sensitivity must be harmlessly low."
Monckton, who was the science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration, says natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming. "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune?s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth."
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Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate
Michael Asher (Blog) - July 16, 2008 9:35 PM
"Considerable presence" of skeptics
The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."
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Wrong.
APS Position Remains Unchanged
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
I guess it's just coincidence that one of worlds most wanted war criminals decided to take up alternative medicine, quantum healing and bio-energy as his alter ego while in hiding. ;D
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4377240.ece
Not even his most imaginative supporters would have guessed that he was hiding behind a New Age persona, providing a bio-energy boost and ?human quantum energy? for clients in a Belgrade suburb. Dr Karadzic, 63, the Bosnian Serb leader who had been on the run for nearly 13 years, was in a cell last night preparing to appeal against his extradition to The Hague, where he faces 11 charges, including genocide carried out allegedly on his orders.
You can't make this stuff up.
Quote from: wizardofmars on July 22, 2008, 07:00:16 PM
APS Position Remains Unchanged
Hi again Will..
Well well.. the itch is still there. What a pain.
I guess you and me'll just have to leave the itch to
aggravate itself.. instead of having it aggravating and
sidelining us with all this 'off-the-planet' politicking
that's getting us away from the real purpose of this
thread.. namely to get a handle on the real cures of
cancer for everyone.
BUT.. just to tidy up before we all leave the itch...
Yes.. true.. the 'APS position' remains unchanged..
but that is just a red herring.. distraction.. diversion..
call it what you will (oops.. sorry Will.. :D). It's so
obvious the itch only read the lead paragraph to the
article. Maybe when he reads the rest of the article
he'll find what the thread was REALLY all about.
And just so nobody is left in any doubts.....
The article isn't anything to do with the APS 'position'
per se.. but it has everything to do with a huge group
of VERY perceptive scientists who are at odds with
the public-stated 'global warming position' of the APS
..so it's best to focus on the REAL message.
These highly qualified scientists.. a huge group that is
numbered in the thousands.. are openly of the stance
that they do not believe there is any validity in the APS
'position' that global warming is 'human induced'.. as so
many politicking governments are touting around the
world today (mostly because they can see a massive
taxation cash-cow potential in it for them personally).
Yet another poor excuse to separate the long-suffering
citizens from even more of their now meager incomes
and induce even deeper levels of dependency, bondage,
and default slavery.
Without going into a lot more rhetoric and wasting even
more time and energy - I feel the last words should be
left to the editor of the APS forum.. Jeffrey Marque.. the
thousands of Physicists who are believing in their own
research results.. Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at
the University of Hartford, Chairman of the New England
Section of the APS.. and Lord Monckton, who was the
science advisor to Britain's Thatcher administration.
I'm sure the itch can figure out that these are all to be
found in the rest of the article, after the lead paragraph.
Who do WE listen to Will? All these dedicated and very
skilled and learned scientists and their obvious commit
to in-depth solid research.. and their open statements
of their findings which debunk the 'human-induced' view..
..or do we listen to the politickers and their unthinking
sycophants (like the itch) who selectively slice and dice
what they want out of it and use it to further their little
political and personal agendas of greed, envy, coercion,
power, control.. -ad nauseum-ad nauseum- ..systems
that pollute and corrupt and destroy all that they touch.
AH YES.. they DO know what is best for us, don't they!
So we are left with one final question..
...........Who has the real and right reality here?...........
The APS 'position' and the itch?.. OR the real scientists?
A faceless, unaccountable 'organisation' BS opinionation?
OR the named, accountable scientists and real research?
Well Will.. I think you and I and everyone else in this
thread can now get back to the real purpose we're here
for.. and focus on helping each other with all manner of
cancer cure findings and sharing them with each other.
Hmmm... this turned out longer than intended so my best
apologies to all for the long read.
Vive La Liberte.. Live long and prosper.. make it so!
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kindly person.. I'd have to say I could easily arrive at
the conclusion the itch comes from another planet.
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Every time I try to go somewhere I keep bumping into this and have to try try try
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OK.. BACK TO BUSINESS... :D
This is my current find/contribution. Haven't had time
to explore and see if it is any good or not but I'll leave
that up to whoever wants to go there. It is way more
than just 'cancer'.. lots of other health subjects.. with
heaps of links to go look at. Keep you all busy for a
heap of days if not weeks if you looked at everything.
here's the link...
http://www.mnwelldir.org/articles.htm
Enjoy the day..
ffonz 8)
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This is my current find/contribution. Haven't had time
to explore and see if it is any good or not but...`
OK.. Have had some time on this and narrowed down
the cancer pages to the following three links...
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy2.htm
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy3.htm
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OK.. Have had some time on this and narrowed down
the cancer pages to the following three links...
You could have got the same links by googling 'quack therapies', since the anonymous amateurs who run that site simply post anything and everything that comes to hand.
Just to take the first entry in that list, Gaston Naessens. They don't mention he fled to Quebec in the 70's after being convicted in French courts of fraud and unlicensed medical practice and he has been in and out of court since. His 'discovery' 714X is a fraudulent mix of camphor, ammonium salts and blue dye. Of course, he throws in the Somatoscope angle (breaking every law of physics along the way) because he learned from the Rife microscope fraud and others before him.
http://www.ncahf.org/nl/1993/7-8.html
714-X is a substance produced in Quebec by Gaston Naessens. It has been analyzed by the Canadian Health Protection Branch and found to contain a mixture of camphor, ammonium chloride and nitrate, sodium chloride, ethanol and water. Approval for the medicinal use of 714-X in Canada would require documentation of the product's safety and efficacy. As of March, 1993, no substantive evidence had been submitted to Health and Welfare Canada's Health Protection Branch on the safety or efficacy of 714-X and the agency says that it regards the substance to be an unproven product.
The Expert Advisory Committee on HIV Therapy to the Health Protection Branch has unanimously deplored the use of 714-X for the treatment of cancer or AIDS. The Committee stressed that there could be adverse side-effects from this treatment. Under Canada's Emergency Drug Release Program a physician may request an unapproved drug on compassionate plea for a patient. (From: 714-X: An Unproven Product, Health Protection Branch Issues, 1/25/90; rechecked 3/93)
Gaston Naessens has a long history of promoting dubious cancer remedies. In 1950 he was peddling GN-24 (his initials) in Switzerland which was a secret "chemotherapeutical formula" found to contain some mineral salts and methylene blue. In 1959, he introduced Anablast, another secret remedy alleged to act not on cancer cells but "what causes their release." Naessens' claims that Anablast could treat leukemia led to a public furor in Corsica on behalf of Naessens who had been convicted of unlawfully practicing medicine in 1956.
In 1964 the French Ministry of Public Health warned of false cures and sent the Inspector General of Public Health to conduct inquiries. Naessens agreed to a test and failed. He was again convicted of practicing medicine and pharmacy illegally in 1965. Naessens claimed to have studied biology at the University of Lille, but records fail to verify this. (Unproven Methods of Cancer Management, American Cancer Society, 1967)
Naessens immigrated to Canada (c.1972) and became its problem as he began to build a support group for his "ultramicroscopic condenser" alleging to see "somatids" (said to be "DNA precursors, the ground-zero elements of life"). Naessens has attracted a following of desperate patients and ding-a-ling freelance writers who spin yarns about the grand medical conspiracy to squelch innovative cancer cures. These conspiratorial scenarios have a ready audience, and Naessens has become one of the folk heroes of the paranoid faction.
In 1985, Drs. Carter and Valli, of the Ontario Veterinary College at the University of Guelph, studied the use of 714-X on canine lymphoma. They determined that the substance had no efficacy. They also found that the substance caused side effects severe enough to require supportive treatment. The researchers also found the product ineffective against bovine lymphoma in three cows treated by injection.
Naessens' ability to sell himself has dramatically impacted health science in the USA. It was he who convinced former Congressman Berkeley Bedell (D-Iowa*) that 714-X had cured his prostate cancer (even though Bedell also had standard therapy). Bedell became so enamored with "alternative medicine" that he got Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) to introduce a bill, which he lobbied personally, that eventually established the NIH Office of Alternative Medicine -- an office which thus far has functioned mainly as a public relations benefit to quackery (a result of a suspension of the standard rule that NIH contractors not use their NIH affiliation for publicity).
[*Iowa is the home of chiropractic's primary training school (Palmer College at Davenport), Ayurvedic Medicine (Maharishi International University at Fairfield), and People Against Cancer (a referral agency for dubious cancer remedies run by Frank Wiewel at Otho)]
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Now here's something with a lot of real
depth that's hugely positive.. and worth
the time spent studying and learning..
http://www.cancertutor.com/
http://www.cancertutor.com/
http://www.cancertutor.com/
Fascinating stuff with solid info all the way.
Hope this helps everyone (even the itch) to..
Enjoy The Day :D
ffonz 8)
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Because the lakhovsky coils worked for me.I am convinced they may be the basis for a new power source.Since they take the place of an antenna and a ground also.I have put some effort into designing simple LRC circuit to increase their voltage level to try to get some serious work out of them.I may be starting a newthread here.Triffid
Howdy Y'all,
Forget about disease, your real problem is the Daleks!
The Daleks have invaded. Exterminate! Exterminate!
Someone call the Doctor!
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: z.monkey on July 25, 2008, 09:41:27 PM
Howdy Y'all,
Hello everyone. I thought this was important enough to deserve a repost. Everyone should watch this.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=a+world+without+cancer&hl=en&sitesearch=#
This made so much sense to me I have started taking a preventative dose of apricot kernels daily. I use a coffee grinder and mix with OJ. You can't even taste the bitterness. I have for years taken a high quality multi vitamin. I don't think there is any way we can get all of the vitamins and minerals we need from our processed food.
Also, z.monkey, Blessed Be is a wicken phase. Are you? I can understand if you don't want to say as some people misunderstand wicka. PM me in that case. One of my best friends is wicken.
Howdy Libra8,
No I am not Wiccan, not completely anyway. I feel that Wicca is a natural way of spiritual life, and certainly respect that. If there is some religion that I do follow I would call it The Truth. Wiccans do not deceive themselves and commit atrocities in the name of GOD, unlike other groups. I have known many Wiccans. Their way of living in harmony with nature and spirit is inspiring and I think everyone could benefit from their knowledge.
About cancer being a nutritional deficiency you are absolutely correct. When your immune system is healthy there is no chance for cancer to attack you. But the Standard American Diet (SAD) completely sucks. If you eat at the Clown Burger Restaurants, and eat all the empty calorie, loaded with sugar diet you are going to be in trouble. Your best defense against cancer is to eat whole fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, and whole meats (if you eat meat). Supplementation is also beneficial in the form of vitamins, minerals, and trace elements. The most important thing is pure water. This cannot be understated, water is the most important substance you put in your body.
Don't drink tap water.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Quote from: z.monkey on July 28, 2008, 12:05:23 PM
Howdy Libra8,
No I am not Wiccan, not completely anyway. I feel that Wicca is a natural way of spiritual life, and certainly respect that. If there is some religion that I do follow I would call it The Truth. Wiccans do not deceive themselves and commit atrocities in the name of GOD, unlike other groups. I have known many Wiccans. Their way of living in harmony with nature and spirit is inspiring and I think everyone could benefit from their knowledge.
About cancer being a nutritional deficiency you are absolutely correct. When your immune system is healthy there is no chance for cancer to attack you. But the Standard American Diet (SAD) completely sucks. If you eat at the Clown Burger Restaurants, and eat all the empty calorie, loaded with sugar diet you are going to be in trouble. Your best defense against cancer is to eat whole fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts, and whole meats (if you eat meat). Supplementation is also beneficial in the form of vitamins, minerals, and trace elements. The most important thing is pure water. This cannot be understated, water is the most important substance you put in your body.
Don't drink tap water.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Z I probably drink a gallon of water a day. I am never without a water bottle, even during the winter. What do you mean by pure water? Do you mean distilled water? I drink filtered water(Britta).
Howdy Libra8,
Distilled water or deionized water will leach the minerals out of your body. I use hexagonal water, huh? Whats that? I have a Water Vitalizer. I start with bottled spring water which is well filtered through reverse osmosis, and then process it in the Water Vitalizer. The processing adds a calcium atom which causes a hexagonal water molecule to be formed. I sometimes call it "Jewish" water because the hexagonal water molecule reminds me of the Star of David. This water gives me incredible energy. Here is a link to R Garden, where I bought the Water Vitalizer...
http://www.rgarden.com/retail/?customers_referral=store&refmail=wl@rgarden.net
Blessed Be Brothers...
You know, all of you who fall on the branding of the bottled water (natural spring, revitalized, quadruple filtered, mineralized, and other crap) use your common sense. To you that water is bottled, but still is someone else's tap water, you just don't know about it...
Until there is a way to know (*KNOW* not guess, have faith, presume, believe, etc) what is the history of that water, your tap water will be no worse than the bottled water you buy.
Whole fruits, vegetables, seeds and nuts are a great diet, IF they came from a land that's not deprived from all minerals and nutrients, and polluted with all kinds of organic and inorganic by-products.
Once again I'll refer to Lakhovsky because the guy did some of the homework for us on the subject. Assuming that the land is not deprived of minerals, we should eat locally grown produce because the land and the plants on it are (being) energized in the same fashion/frequency/level by the cosmic radiation as we are (duh we live on it) therefor we are in sync.
Getting the produce from the other side of the World might not be so beneficial to our bodies (on the long run anyways - remember the Nature works in increments and things are accumulative over time).
Howdy Amigo,
Yes it is good to have a pure, trusted source for your water. I use real spring water from a deep aquifer. It is expensive, but my health is worth it. Here is a picture of my organic garden. I have been improving the soil with composed cow manure and organic matter over the last 6 years. These garden boxes are built above the ground to improve drainage. I produce the most delicious, and flavorful tomatoes. Everyone raves about my tomatoes. I use no pesticides or synthetic fertilizers. The most potent fertilizer for garden vegetables is fish emulsion, natural and organic of course.
It is prudent to investigate the source of your food. To eat mystery meat from one of the Clown Burger Restaurants is simply irresponsible. There are natural foods and organic gardens everywhere. Go to the local farmers market, or the Whole Foods Market. Sure, good food is more expensive, but not as expensive as the Doctor and his questionable treatments. If you live in a suburban or rural area you can even grow your own.
Blessed Be Brothers...
z.monkey
my friend, now I'm jealous of your garden, but also happy that at least one of us can pursue alternative food options. Have you considered enclosing those into a greenhouse and making it an all around the year thing?
Howdy Amigo,
The green structure behind the garden is the greenhouse. I put polycarbonate panels over the window areas in the winter. Also have a little heater.
Blessed Be Brothers...
Yesterday and today I have gone to work without pain pills for the first two days since the lakhovsky coils cured my arthritis.For a month I had stayed on the pain pills for fear I still needed them to get through a workday.But yesterday and today I have no pain. I had been taking them for three years.Those pills are history!!! Triffid
Howdy Triffid,
Excellent, Way to go!
Blessed Be Brother...
As I've been saying all along folks, its all about culling the population...
"Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy
Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life.
Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he
applied to Oregon's state-run health plan for help.
Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which
administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded
to Stroup's request with a letter saying the state would not
cover Stroup's pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost
of physician-assisted suicide.
"It dropped my chin to the floor," Stroup told FOX News.
"[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my
life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"
The letter, which has been sent to other terminal patients
throughout Oregon, follows guidelines established by the
state legislature. "
More here...
http://teachers.net/chatboard/topic230492/7.28.08.17.55.30.html
Greetings,
I have been yelling, its the population dummies for years now.
The religions promote overpopulation as do governments.
If we don't do it ourselves, Mother Nature will.
By the way will some one provide me with websites that prove Rife was wrong.
I only looked at a couple of the posts in the beginning of this thread.
Did you know that 2 food additives/preservatives that were used back in the 1970's were removed from breakfast cereals?
They were BHA and BHT. Both were purported to be anti cancer items. Now, you never hear of them.
Quote from: rbisys2 on July 30, 2008, 08:31:19 PM
By the way will some one provide me with websites that prove Rife was wrong.
You can't prove a negative. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Rife's claims would upend much of modern cell biology and optical physics research in the eighty years that have passed since he made his 'discoveries'.
The weight of evidence is that Rife was wrong, his very dated and outlandish theories completely invalid and he was almost certainly a fraud to boot.
As I posted above, Rife was clearly inspired by Albert Abrams, a very successful medical quack who was prominent when Rife was a lowly chaffeur working for the wealthy Timkin family who were his first target. Rife's theories are entirely derivative of Abrams (who died of pneumonia in 1924). Rife even claimed to attend the same German university.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Abrams
People who have experienced the benefits of Rife technology might tend to be swayed by unsubstantiated negative commentary above.
But people like me, who have been successfully treated know the truth...which the above post is not.
Regards...
Second week without pain pills! I'm still wearing the coils.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 04, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
Second week without pain pills! I'm still wearing the coils.triffid
GOOD NEWS THERE TRIFFID ;D
Way To Go..
ffonz 8)
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But we really can't be sure the coils work...even tho the arthritis in my left hand left.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 04, 2008, 07:12:36 PM
But we really can't be sure the coils work...even tho the arthritis in my left hand left.
Regards...
Hi all
Today i read first time in this thread.
Now i read, that there is a chance to do something against arthritis.
Perhaps as well as the arthritis that makes me feel pain in my left ellbow.
May be one can give me a hint ,where to search. So i do not need to read all posts.
If there is a direct link to the coils, that can help .
Thanks in advance
helmut
Quote from: helmut on August 05, 2008, 05:11:13 AM
Hi all
Today i read first time in this thread.
Now i read, that there is a chance to do something against arthritis.
Perhaps as well as the arthritis that makes me feel pain in my left ellbow.
May be one can give me a hint ,where to search. So i do not need to read all posts.
If there is a direct link to the coils, that can help .
Thanks in advance
helmut
Hi Helmut,
There are a number of videos of Dr. Bob Beck's protocols at video.google.ca . Schematics for the magnetic pulser can be found here:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/08/19/build_a_low_cost_simple_magnetic_pulser.htm
Video of the beck pulser can be found here:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4233042244957888872&q=magnetic+pulser&ei=ZkaYSL7HKJDuqwKJyazdBw
There are tons of videos and info. I have the original schematic somewhere from becks papers but can't find it at the monent.
Have fun,
Will
Howdy Triffid and Helmut,
There is a food remedy for arthritis also. Arthritis is caused by the buildup of uric acid crystals in the joints. These crystals form a sharp needle like crystals so you can see why arthritis hurts so bad. Cherries have a compound which breaks down uric acid and destroys these crystals. I have know people suffering with arthritis and when they eat cherries they have almost immediate relief. Fresh cherries, dried cherries, cherry juice, cherry jam, cherry pie filling, as long as it has natural cherries it will dissolve the uric acid crystals.
I hope this helps...
Blessed Be Brothers...
@Helmut
Lakhovsky coil info here...
http://www.copperhealth.com/
Let us know if it helps.
Regards...
Actually the Dr Bob Beck device has very little in common with the working principles of the Rife machinery. It cures more than just HIV, in fact it is said to clear the body of every and any alien bacteria, parasite, virus etc. that is not supposed to be there. This is probably the most promising technology to be discovered, and should be followed. The method is known as In Vivo, meaning no blood need be removed, and is called Blood Electroporation.
Quote from: rbisys2 on July 10, 2008, 05:27:21 PM
< QUOTE>"... pathogens like virisis -are in the 300nm spectral range. Have you ever wondered why they use UV light to sterilize instruments? What is the wavelength of UV light?"
Funny you should bring that up. Seems like they tried circulating blood thu a tube subject to UV to kill HIV. Didn't work. However the Beck unit based on a previous 1992 patent device does work on HIV. The Beck unit is a modified rife technology device. Cheap and portable. The doctors of the 1992 unit suddenly removed their unit from the public. All this info is on rife.org.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on August 05, 2008, 09:53:45 AM
@Helmut
Lakhovsky coil info here...
http://www.copperhealth.com/
Let us know if it helps.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro
@eastcoastwilly
@All others
Thanks for Hints and Links
I have tried to eat lots of gelatine powder...but could not get a result.
Now i will try the Lakhovsky coil . It is a simple coil from Copper wound around the waist.
And it is as usual : Nothing to loose ... exept some pain.
Thank you guys ;D
helmut
www.copperhealth.com says to use #10 guage wire.But I grabbed the nearest wire which was a flat two strand thin flexable wire that I could tie around my waist and I felt better 24 hours later.I don't think the thickness of the wire matters too much, just the diameter of the loop.Its really an "open ended loop of one turn".You do not connect the ends.I could tell after a week I needed another coil around the affected ankle.Again phone line solved that problem.So after a month of wearing both coils I realized the arthritis was gone.I have used only copper wires although something else might work
I decided not to take the chance.Stick with whats known.The plastic around the phone line keeps the ends from being electrically connected when you tie them.Good luck.I'm glad the knowledge is helping people here.Triffid
Last April the pain was so bad even the pain pills had all but stopped working.In May I learned about the Lakhovsky coils.triffid
@z.monkey - excellent post! Something else I didn't know... :D
Quote from: z.monkey on August 05, 2008, 09:30:17 AM
Arthritis is caused by the buildup of uric acid crystals in the joints.
Uric acid buildup is gout. The typical rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis is not caused by gout (although acute gout can cause metabolic arthritis).
Eating cherries for gout is hardly news. You can also avoid alcohol, soda, red meat and seafood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gout
Quote from: armagdn03 on August 05, 2008, 10:47:44 AM
Actually the Dr Bob Beck device has very little in common with the working principles of the Rife machinery. It cures more than just HIV, in fact it is said to clear the body of every and any alien bacteria, parasite, virus etc. that is not supposed to be there. This is probably the most promising technology to be discovered, and should be followed. The method is known as In Vivo, meaning no blood need be removed, and is called Blood Electroporation.
As I posted before, Bob Beck's protocol has very little in common with the method described in the Kaali patent. To go from a single paper that shows the possible action of DC electricity on HIV to claiming that invitro application of AC electricity is the cure to all diseases is the hallmark of a quack.
From what I've seen of Beck (who died in 2002), there wasn't a single quack medical theory he didn't agree with. Not to mention the aliens...
The presence and interaction with aliens has been confirmed by at least 2 astronauts this century...the livery stable is down the street, see Festus or Newly...and Kitty and Doc are over at the saloon.
Regards...
Howdy Wizard-of-Mars,
This is the first time that I have seen you not totally negative. I guess that is an improvement.
Blessed Be Brother...
Howdy Cap-Z-Ro,
I found information today that Aldebarans were in contact with the Germans in 1920, and helped them to develop advanced aircraft BEFORE World War II. If you look into ancient cultures there have been "aliens" visiting our planet for close to half a million years...
They were here before mankind evolved from apes...
Blessed Be Brothers...
I've never heard of Dr Beck, but I googled his name and found a goldmine of the most wild-ass crackpottery I've seen in a long time. That's not a good sign. :P
wizardofmars and madsen,
And you two have determined that Dr. Bob Beck was a quack how exactly?
Should I presume that you have used your vast multi-disciplinary knowledge, applied it to his claims and came out negative after running numerous experiments in controlled conditions?
Remember onus is on YOU to prove the claims were wrong. So far nobody is going to take your word for it unless you can provide some factual evidence. Bob Beck actually had something to show for, unlike two of you... :D
Quote from: amigo on August 08, 2008, 09:52:24 PM
wizardofmars and madsen,
And you two have determined that Dr. Bob Beck was a quack how exactly?
Should I presume that you have used your vast multi-disciplinary knowledge, applied it to his claims and came out negative after running numerous experiments in controlled conditions?
Remember onus is on YOU to prove the claims were wrong. So far nobody is going to take your word for it unless you can provide some factual evidence. Bob Beck actually had something to show for, unlike two of you... :D
Hi amigo,
Note that I didn't say Dr Beck himself was a quack---I merely said that by googling his name, you will come upon some crackpots. In particular, you will find R. Webster Kehr (http://cancertutor.com/AboutMe.html), who pushes Dr Beck's treatments on his website.
I do know Mr Kehr is a crank because I've looked at some of his mathematical scribblings, which of course he claims have been suppressed. Just about anyone can see that they don't make any sense. He's also an evolution denier and an anti-relativity nut, for the record.
That doesn't mean Dr Beck is a quack, but it's a warning sign.
ETA: Speaking of evidence, is there any showing that Dr Beck's methods work?
QUOTE: < Note that I didn't say Dr Beck himself was a quack---I merely said that by googling his name, you will come upon some crackpots. In particular, you will find R. Webster Kehr, who pushes Dr Beck's treatments on his website. That doesn't mean Dr Beck is a quack, but it's a warning sign. >
Hmmm. So, by reverse engineering and quilt by association, we can assume that your assumptions are correct.
Isn't this the same tactic the fascist gop uses?
Quote from: rbisys2 on August 08, 2008, 11:31:57 PM
QUOTE: < Note that I didn't say Dr Beck himself was a quack---I merely said that by googling his name, you will come upon some crackpots. In particular, you will find R. Webster Kehr, who pushes Dr Beck's treatments on his website. That doesn't mean Dr Beck is a quack, but it's a warning sign. >
Hmmm. So, by reverse engineering and quilt by association, we can assume that your assumptions are correct.
Isn't this the same tactic the fascist gop uses?
I'm not sure what you mean by the reverse engineering part. And again, I'm not claiming I know he's a quack. If I were facing cancer, however, seeing that Mr Kehr is among Dr Beck's supporters would make me think twice about trying his methods. Do you know of any evidence supporting Dr Beck's claims?
Hi All
Prescription drugs now ahead of traffic deaths and is the fourth leading cause of deaths in the US behind heart disease, cancer and strokes.
http://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htm
If you count medical errors in hospitals and unnecessary surgery, it is the third leading cause of death in the US.
Better to trust yourself than go to the doctor. In countries where the doctors can go on strike, the death rate drops as a whole during that time.
Tishatang
Bah just another "miracle" cure. The only thing that can really cure the cancer is your body's own immune system. Eat what you have to eat (whole foods.. supplements like b complex, fish oil, alot vitamin C, zinc, magnesium, calcium) and do what you have to do with your body (sporadic jogging... moving atleast). I've been living a healthy lifestyle for some time now and I don't know what are ilnesses (not even a sore throat) or bowel problems for 3 years (started 3,5 years ago.. body needs atleast 6 months to "boot").
People are lazy so they just want to eat shit food and not move at all. Then they want a miracle cure they'll but it doesn't really work this way. Then some whacko medical research comes by and starts linking cancer to fungus or some "viruses". Just more excuses for people not to get people off they're sick lifestyle.
Quote from: madsen on August 08, 2008, 11:46:42 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by the reverse engineering part. And again, I'm not claiming I know he's a quack. If I were facing cancer, however, seeing that Mr Kehr is among Dr Beck's supporters would make me think twice about trying his methods. Do you know of any evidence supporting Dr Beck's claims?
Please take some time and research this further. There are video lectures held by Dr. Beck where he brought in "survivors" who have spoken about it. Further more there are forums on the Web with people who have applied his "protocol" with some level of success adding to credibility.
If none of those testimonials were true, logically I do not see what any of them would stand to gain themselves. Dr. Beck has nothing to gain now either - he's dead so it really does not matter to him.
Quote from: Hybaj on August 09, 2008, 03:50:31 AM
Bah just another "miracle" cure. The only thing that can really cure the cancer is your body's own immune system. Eat what you have to eat (whole foods.. supplements like b complex, fish oil, alot vitamin C, zinc, magnesium, calcium) and do what you have to do with your body (sporadic jogging... moving atleast). I've been living a healthy lifestyle for some time now and I don't know what are ilnesses (not even a sore throat) or bowel problems for 3 years (started 3,5 years ago.. body needs atleast 6 months to "boot").
People are lazy so they just want to eat shit food and not move at all. Then they want a miracle cure they'll but it doesn't really work this way. Then some whacko medical research comes by and starts linking cancer to fungus or some "viruses". Just more excuses for people not to get people off they're sick lifestyle.
You are right in principle, of course. Problem is that the food we eat, even if it's whole foods etc, is NOT energetically high as it used to be 50 or more years ago. Also the ground has been deprived of some essential and trace minerals, or it contains insufficient quantities.
Growing your own food might be an option but all I can say to that and anything else is GMO. Most seeds today are genetically engineered and you would be lucky to find one without some kind of a modification.
On top of everything else our food is irradiated, sealed in various gases to keep freshness, etc., which only stirs the pot even more...
Quote from: amigo on August 09, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
Please take some time and research this further. There are video lectures held by Dr. Beck where he brought in "survivors" who have spoken about it. Further more there are forums on the Web with people who have applied his "protocol" with some level of success adding to credibility.
Ok, fair enough. I'll do a bit more research. If I find, for example, convincing evidence that anyone has been cured of AIDS by Beck's methods, then I'll be impressed.
Quote from: amigo
If none of those testimonials were true, logically I do not see what any of them would stand to gain themselves. Dr. Beck has nothing to gain now either - he's dead so it really does not matter to him.
I was just looking up some information on Peter Popoff. As I'm sure you know, he was shown to be a fraud in the 1980's by James Randi. Yet people continue to insist to have been healed by him. In fact, here's a testimonial from a satisfied customer (who used his "miracle spring water") right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeseF1zZ5AwIf Peter Popoff can get testimonials,
anyone can.
Quote from: amigo
There are video lectures held by Dr. Beck where he brought in "survivors" who have spoken about it.
@Amigo,
I am very much interested in viewing those videos, could you share the link(s)?
Been doing blood electrification and ingesting home-made colloidal silver and noticed positive changes. I am more energetic, sleep better and don't get tired or sleepy during the day (my typical day is from 7 am til midnight). I am also taking flax oil with farmers cheese, my 'bad' cholesterol dropped by 50 points to 130 level, maybe this helped too in me feeling better.
Perhaps what I am experiencing is a placebo effect, this is why I am so interested in learning about other people's experiences.
Other than being tired/sleepy and having sleeping issues, before jumping on Beck's bandwagon, my overall health was OK.
Thanks in advance.
jacek
Hi Jacek,
Here are some google video links:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383948315844437935
@madsen & jacek
At the end of the day, even if it's a placebo effect and you feel better and your body cured of dis-ease what does it matter if it was Bob Beck or your own mind doing it. Terrans always need external influence and encouragement to heal, even though it really comes from within themselves... :)
@All
Just found this and thought it might be relevant (to those who care to read science papers) ;)
From the Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2005: "Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1"
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6
Quote from: amigo on August 09, 2008, 06:18:50 PM
@All
Just found this and thought it might be relevant (to those who care to read science papers) ;)
From the Journal of Nanobiotechnology 2005: "Interaction of silver nanoparticles with HIV-1"
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6
Thanks for the link. ;)
Someone on Barry Carter's WG list posted this (baking soda again).
I thought it's worth sharing.
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"NATURAL CANCER CURE ? Report #2
Hi Gregory Clifton, here is your report.
Please pass this report along to your friends or have them visit:
http://TheNaturalCancerCure.com to order these reports.
You should have received report number one that talked about the
Baking Soda Cure.
I am revising some of my reports and I feel it is important that you
read this. I have talked with a number of people who requested my
reports and I am sad to say that most are too scared to try taking
Baking Soda to alkalize their pH, which Dr. Warburg says will kill
the cancer. You can help me change that and I will tell you how.
Having had cancer myself and family members and close friends who
have had cancer, I understand the trauma that comes when cancer
strikes close to home.
Just today I got a call from a close friend whose wife just came from
the doctor with bad news. She previously had one breast removed to
get rid of cancer and now may face losing the other one.
I told my friend not to fear because she can deal with the problem in
just a few days from home without having to have surgery, radiation
or chemo. His comment to me was she probably wouldn't listen.
His answer to me is exactly what prompted me to write this letter. I
talk to people days or even weeks after receiving my Report on the
Baking Soda Cure for Cancer and the majority are too scared to try
it. Americans have become so brainwashed watching "As The Word Turns"
around "General Hospital", they can no longer think or reason for themselves.
When cancer strikes, people in general become so paralyzed by fear
that the medical establishment can easily extract 1.5 million dollars
from the average cancer patient and nobody even bats an eye.
The establishment has purposely kept the cure for cancer a mystery
for 78 years since Dr. Otto Warburg was awarded a Nobel Prize for
discovering the cause and cure for cancer. Proof lies in the fact
that you have never read this information in a single textbook even
though you can research the Nobel Prize he received.
There are three professions that as a rule purposely mystify
knowledge surrounding those professions with the intent of extracting
large sums of money from their credulous followers. Christ referred
to them as Priest Craft, Lawyer Craft and Doctor Craft.
Essentially the Priest says you can't find God without going through
me, the lawyer says you can't find justice without going through me
and the doctor says you can't find health without going through me.
These professions could all exist without the associated craft, but
they would be humble professions indeed. These crafts only exist
because of greed.
There is a legitimate need for doctors. The doctor should be there to
set broken bones and stitch up injuries, but to mystify diseases such
as cancer so they can extract huge sums of money from hapless people
is a crime.
I have an acquaintance whose brother was a heart surgeon in
California. The doctors were all called into the hospital one day and
told if they wanted to keep all of that fancy equipment, they would
have to perform more heart surgeries.
His conscience was getting the best of him when he admitted to his
sister that he had recommended heart surgeries to patients that were
not needed and some of the people had died as a result. The doctors
chose the people with the best insurance. Their demise resulted from
having enough insurance to pay for the unneeded operation.
Not all doctors are part of the conspiracy. First of all, they can
only practice what they are taught in medical school and what the law
allows. The medical textbooks are written by the drug companies so
modern doctors are trained in the art of prescribing what we call
legal drugs. Legal or not, all drugs kill, which truth can be
substantiated by obtaining a copy of the Physicians Desk Reference or PDR.
Many honorable doctors have left their professions when they found
out the truth. Some of them have practiced natural medicine illegally
and ended up being disbarred, imprisoned or came up missing. Some
have stopped practicing altogether and now spend their energies
promoting natural products and methodologies that truly make a difference.
I am a Bible reader and I make no apologies because truth is truth no
matter where it comes from. The Bible says: My people perish for lack
of knowledge. It also says that the truth will set people free.
Those sayings are as true in relation to disease as they are to any
other subject. Chemotherapy, Radiation and Surgery do not address the
truth about cancer; they only address the result or the symptoms of cancer.
When we have an oil spill in the ocean that starts killing birds,
fish and mammals, no amount of drugs, radiation or surgery is going
to provide a cure. The cause of the disease is the oil spill and it
must be cleaned up.
If you have cancer, you are suffering from an oil spill inside your
body. Your body has absorbed petrochemicals (chemicals made from oil)
everyday of your life from the air you breathe, the food you eat, the
things you drink, the medications you take and from personal care and
household products that touch your skin each day.
You are breathing air that is filled with automobile exhaust,
chemtrails and industrial waste. Inside your home, synthetic carpets,
furniture, paint, air fresheners, etc. are off-gassing petrochemicals
that are all part of your problem. The air inside you home is even
worse than the air outside, except on days when they are spraying
chemtrails from airplanes or pesticides for mosquito and bug control.
You are eating foods that are grown with chemical fertilizers and
sprayed with chemical pesticides. Anything that will kill a bug will
kill a human. You are just consuming small enough amounts to kill you
slowly rather than quickly. Many other chemicals are added to foods
including MSG and different forms of glycol, which is the active
ingredient in antifreeze they put in your car.
The water you drink is polluted with hundreds if not thousands of
chemicals, to which they add chlorine and fluoride, which both lead
to cancer. To the water we add coffee, sweeteners, artificial colors,
carbon dioxide and who knows how many other things that all lead to
acid and cancer in the body.
These are some of the causes of cancer and cancer brings a lot of
uncertainty. The best you can hope for through the channels of modern
medicine is a lot of suffering and perhaps missing body parts before
the cancer goes into remission. However, many cancers never go into
remission and the patient dies after all of their suffering.
Just because doctors don't have a cure for cancer, does that mean a
cure doesn't exist? The reason you are reading this report is
because you or someone you know went to the Internet searching for a
Cancer Cure.
I cured my own cancer naturally and I have absolutely no fear of
cancer ever returning because I know what causes cancer and therefore
how to prevent it. Cancer no longer is a mystery. Cancer is a simple
biological response to your inner biological terrain.
My father had a saying that I committed to memory. "What does it
profit a man if a gift is bestowed upon him, and he receives not the
gift? Behold, he rejoices not in that which is given unto him,
neither does he rejoice in the giver of the gift."
I have given you a gift ? a natural cancer cure that is almost
without cost. If you do nothing with it, you will not rejoice in the
gift and my 35 years of research will have been in vain.
Perhaps the bigger shame will come when your children, your
grandchildren, your brother or sister, mother, father, aunt, uncle,
cousin or friend gets cancer and because you were too stubborn to
receive the Natural Cancer Cure yourself, you have no gift to pass
onto them because you can't tell them whether it works or not.
What can you do?
If you take a serious look at your odds of beating cancer through the
medical establishment, you have nothing to lose. If you use The
Natural Cancer Cure and beat the cancer, then your loved ones when
faced with the same decision may listen to you.
On the other hand, if all you can think about is yourself, you will
probably make the wrong decision to your own detriment and you will
miss the great opportunity to bless the lives of those who will
inevitably follow you. The lives you save could be in the millions.
Perhaps you are not the one suffering from cancer; you are the loved
one doing the research for a dear friend. I can tell you first hand,
they will listen to me a lot better if you start taking the Baking
Soda yourself and relay to them the benefits you feel even though you
may not have cancer.
The bottom line is, I need your help because I don't have the ability
to do a million dollar case study and without case studies it is
nearly impossible to break the hypnotic spell that doctors have over
their cancer patients. Millions of people will continue to suffer and
die needlessly when they could have helped themselves, if they only
had the faith to give this method a try.
Wisdom is the application of truth. You have the knowledge now; I
pray that you will gain wisdom through its application. By doing so,
your experience will be a blessing to many who will follow you into
this dreaded disease.
I am simply amazed at how many people tell me they have to ask their
doctor if it is okay to drink Baking Soda.
If you think that doctors have a vested interest in finding a cure
for cancer, answer the following questions: If you were a cancer
doctor (oncologist) and you made your living treating cancer patients
with Chemo, Radiation and Surgery, would you be interested in finding
a 25-cent cure for cancer? Obviously not, because all of your
schooling and hard work would be down the drain. You would be out of
work and looking for a job.
Even if you heard about a cancer cure, wouldn't you tend to hide your
head in the sand just a little bit, so you didn't have to hear about
it for fear that your profession would soon be gone?
When your patient asked you if it was okay to take Baking Soda, would
you heartily recommend it even though you knew it would not hurt him or her?
If the same thing that prevents or cures cancer does the same for
virtually all diseases, the entire medical profession and drug
industriey could fall on their faces literally overnight. That is
what they fear and why they are trying to block such an event by
taking away your health freedom through legislation even today while
you are reading this.
http://www.healthfreedomusa..org/index.php Watch the movie with Dr. Laibow.
Cost Comparison:
Cancer treatment is expensive and could impact the financial future
of your family. Even if you are fully covered by insurance or
Medicare, society as a whole has to bear the burden of that cost. If
you are on co-pay, the cost of cancer treatment could bankrupt your family.
I know a family that had to pay 1.5 million for Chemo treatments for
their son and that was without any major setbacks or complications.
An American oncologist experimented with one of my methods
(tomorrow's report) and had 87 out of 87 cancer patients, cancer free
in 90 days. Average cost for each patient was $1,265. The Baking Soda
method that you received yesterday costs less than a ten-dollar bill.
Convenience:
Traditional cancer treatment can mean time off from work accompanied
by a lot of pain, loss of hair, vomiting and discomfort. You may need
to travel long distances to special clinics and at best it is inconvenient.
Drinking Baking Soda, Ten-In-One Vitamins or MA Plus requires no
special considerations. You can continue most work and normal
activities and it can be done in the comfort of your home or even
while traveling. You can get more information about Ten-In-One and MA
Plus at http://abc5k.com and by calling this 24-hr Recorded Message.
850-383-8213 enter 1# to learn about MA Plus.
Time Comparison:
Traditional cancer treatments can be painfully long and arduous.
Expect months at best or even years to get into remission and then
look over your shoulder for the rest of your life with anticipation
that the cancer can and will return.
The Baking Soda treatment used by a doctor in Italy is shrinking
tumors in as little as 3-5 days in the hospital. Performed in the
convenience of your own home, Baking Soda can be taken orally. Using
pH paper to monitor your urine, you can safely adjust the amount of
Baking Soda you are mixing and drinking with water. From my
experience you can expect to see some positive changes in a matter of days.
I weigh about 170 pounds and for maintenance, I use one or two tsp.
of Baking Soda daily. I have used as much as four to six tsp. of
Baking Soda daily while going through detoxification.
What I have experienced personally is an almost immediate improvement
in the appearance and texture of my skin; improvement in digestion,
increased energy; improved sleep. I no longer have to get up in the
night to urinate even though I drink 12 oz. of water with a tsp. of
Baking Soda just before retiring. My stool is now well formed instead
of loose and has virtually no odor. After years of suffering pain
from arthritis and fibromyalgia, I rarely have any pain, my acid
reflux is totally gone and I am now cancer-free!
Here is my proposal. I am preparing to write a book on The Baking
Soda Cure For Cancer. Without your help, this book will mean little or nothing.
First of all, I will not be able to talk with the people who purchase
this book and without talking with me personally and without reading
any case studies to lend credibility to this method, few if any who
read this book will ever follow my recommendation to drink Baking
Soda and water. They will continue to hang onto their fear and do
whatever the doctor tells them to do.
Whether or not you have cancer, I would appreciate you taking Baking
Soda and keeping a daily journal or log of your experiences and
benefits from using Baking Soda as part of your diet.
If you are willing to perform your own case study, then start by
writing down all of your symptoms; even the ones you have grown
accustomed to and forgotten when you didn't have them.. This includes
all aches, pains, sleep patterns; condition of skin, eyes, hair,
nails; texture, color and quality of stool, urine etc. As any of
these things change, please make notes along with the date so we can
track how quickly things changed. Of course I won't use your name in
my book unless you request it.
I would appreciate updates by phone or email and a final report when
your cancer is gone.
Please pass this report along to your friends or have them visit:
http://TheNaturalCancerCure.com to order these reports
May God Bless you.
John Austin"
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Also this is interesting:
http://www.know-the-cause.com/Shows/TullioSimonciniMDWithDougKaufmann/tabid/109/Default.aspx
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
Video with Dr. Simoncini (in Italian with English subtitles): http://www.cancerfungus.com/simoncini-cancer-fungus.php
Jacek
Quote from: amigo on August 09, 2008, 12:21:14 PM
You are right in principle, of course. Problem is that the food we eat, even if it's whole foods etc, is NOT energetically high as it used to be 50 or more years ago. Also the ground has been deprived of some essential and trace minerals, or it contains insufficient quantities.
Growing your own food might be an option but all I can say to that and anything else is GMO. Most seeds today are genetically engineered and you would be lucky to find one without some kind of a modification.
On top of everything else our food is irradiated, sealed in various gases to keep freshness, etc., which only stirs the pot even more...
I've never read anything about "not energetically high" as it used to be. Fruit was less sweet in the past than it is today. When it comes to energy one has to have this on his mind.- one of the forgoten, but most important yet so easily proovable thing when it comes to food/health relationship - http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/leukocytic_index.html (for those who are interested should look up on the quotation sources)
And btw I'm from europe and I buy my vegetables from small producers at the market. Same goes to meat :P But I buy supplements from US (better, cheaper) :D
Hi! I am a newbie here. I've been reading the previous discussions and has given me more knowledge about cancer. Several of my families have died of cancer and nothing have extended their life despite spending large amount of money. All we got is pain from the lost of love ones and financial burdens. Modern Technology and doctors have failed us.
Without all the money to spend for another ailments, Its best to go for alternative treatment. And I been doing research regarding this matter eversince my sister died of pancreatic cancer.
All I can see is that a good healthy diet can boost our immune system and reduce the risk of cancer.
Natural foods such as apple, banana, strawberry and grapes should be on our daily diet. Well not the GMO kind of course.
Its rare to find wild animals with cancer today, but in the future we can see that. Just wait for the GMO.
So whether a certain cure is a hoax or not, for someone who have the this kind of dreaded desease, it will give hope and a will to be alive.
And one note: Don't ever ignore any developing lumps in your body. do something to cure it asap.
Quote from: jiivaneshvar on August 10, 2008, 04:08:04 PM
All I can see is that a good healthy diet can boost our immune system and reduce the risk of cancer.
Natural foods such as apple, banana, strawberry and grapes should be on our daily diet.
Well you only mentioned fruit. You can't eat alot of that too. Too much fructose = too high blood plasma glucose levels = slow white blood cells (they make up for nearly 70% of the mechanism that defends the body from outside invaders and even the inner ones - cancer cells. What's cool about the "slow white blood cells" thing is, that it has much more clear scientific basis than some GMO scare which has still not been proven and probably won't be because it's a very complex problem.
You just have to have all the needed nutrients, vitamins and minerals in your body and you also have to be able to cope with stress and do active stress removal like alpha relaxations ( i do 20 mins in the morning and 20 mins 2 hours before sleeping) and the body will tick like new swiss clock. Of course body needs some training so a bit of cardio and weights is a good idea too. My immunity is much much stronger (knock on the wood) and I was sick like hell before (sinus infections all the time). All my fellow students at the college are always sick so I just smile and give advices - first they were making a bit of fun but a little envy is now going on because people were quite sick last winter but I was fresh ;)
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but it can't hurt to mention the best site on the internet regarding cancer.
http://www.cancertutor.com
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depth that's hugely positive.. and worth
the time spent studying and learning..
http://www.cancertutor.com/
http://www.cancertutor.com/
http://www.cancertutor.com/
Fascinating stuff with solid info all the way.
Hope this helps everyone (even the itch) to..
Enjoy The Day :D
ffonz 8)
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@ aether22
See post 167 page 5 quoted above.
Ummm ... why are you here if you're not reading the thread?
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@ aether22
See post 167 page 5 quoted above.
Ummm ... why are you here if you're not reading the thread?
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Ummm ... I don't think it's much of a big deal to miss something added over 60 posts ago, particularly with the note "Not sure it's been mentioned yet.." He calls it "the best Cancer site on the web" and you say "Now here's something with a lot of real depth that's hugely positive.. and worth the time spent studying and learning.." Hard to see you two as world's apart here.
At least 20% of your extensive 10 post retrospective have now been dedicated to picking at this fellow poster who has been around here a lot longer than you have. You're acting like a bit of an ass.
Quote from: aether22 on August 11, 2008, 02:09:29 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but it can't hurt to mention the best site on the internet regarding cancer.
http://www.cancertutor.com
That site is run by the guy I mentioned earlier in the thread, R. Webster Kehr (http://www.cancertutor.com/AboutMe.html), who is a complete crank. That's not to say there's nothing of value on the cancertutor website, but caution is in order.
Quote from: amigo on August 08, 2008, 09:52:24 PM
Remember onus is on YOU to prove the claims were wrong. So far nobody is going to take your word for it unless you can provide some factual evidence.
You have this backwards Amigo. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There are billions of bogus theories out there and it's impossible to disprove them all. The burden of proof rests with the quacks.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. If you rely solely on anecdotal evidence and reject the scientific method, you may as well be in the Middle Ages.
Quote from: amigo on August 09, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
If none of those testimonials were true, logically I do not see what any of them would stand to gain themselves. Dr. Beck has nothing to gain now either - he's dead so it really does not matter to him.
Do you really believe proponents of alt cancer cures have 'nothing to gain'? Alternative cancer cures are big money and conmen have been getting rich from desperate sick people for hundreds of years. That includes paying dupes to provide 'testimonials'. If I judged life by testimonials I guess I shouldn't ever watch informercials since they are full of testimonials as well, filmed by smiling actors.
Every time the FDA locks up one of these quacks it turns out they've been pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars without curing anyone. Beck may be an exception but for every wrong headed philanthropist like him there are a hundred snake oil salesmen who just want your money.
Jacek just posted a link to a cancer site above - http://thenaturalcancercure.com/ - and the URL resolves to ezleadcapture.com, an MLM marketing site, which claims:
Generate The Absolute Highest Quality Prospects On Earth For YOUR Business With Your Own Customizable Lead Capture Pages
This shows exactly what I'm saying. There are undoubtedly some conmen in this forum right now trying to figure out if anyone here is ready to buy their quack cure.
Quote from: wizardofmars on August 11, 2008, 08:39:43 PM
Anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. If you rely solely on anecdotal evidence and reject the scientific method, you may as well be in the Middle Ages.
Very wrong.
Of course anecdotal evidence can't always be trusted, but neither can many studies! (and many conventionally accepted things turn out not to work afterall)
You must use reasoning rather than ruling out an entire branch of evidence. (not that there is lack of scientific proof of 'alternative' medicine curing cancer)
It depends on the actual details, and requires actual thinking, but even a single anecdotal claim if genuine (not a lie or insanity) can constitute very very strong evidence (proof).
It depends on the odds of that thing otherwise occurring, when there is no chance of something occurring at random then a single genuine anecdotal claim is sufficient.
it's a pity for those who are suffering cancer are the helpless prey of scammers. And imagine, there's only one life to spare, and too many reason to live.
Quote from: jiivaneshvar on August 12, 2008, 11:15:56 PM
it's a pity for those who are suffering cancer are the helpless prey of scammers. And imagine, there's only one life to spare, and too many reason to live.
Yes, it's horrible, of course doctors mostly know not to fall for these scammers, most have said they would not do chemo is they or a loved one had cancer.
And US presidents and FDA, AMA, ACA executives have also known this and instead gone for genuine cures such as the highly effective cesium chloride.
Quote from: aether22 on August 14, 2008, 05:59:56 AM
And US presidents and FDA, AMA, ACA executives have also known this and instead gone for genuine cures such as the highly effective cesium chloride.
Do you any evidence for this? For example, the names of AMA executives who opted for cesium chloride treatment?
I did look for several websites about cesium chloride. It does not work for everybody and it has side effects. But in can raise the ph of the body and can provide unhealthy environment for the cancer cell. It looks like there are a lot of options to treat cancers, but only a few and expensive treatments were approved by FDA.
Cesium chloride and laetrile, and even those apricot kernels need an extensive testing and imbestigation and may cost million of dollars to do that. No corporation or investor will be willing to spend for it, unless they can gain from it.
Its been about a month now since I stopped taking pain pills for my arthritis
I am still doing ok.As someone who has lost a mother and an aunt to cancer.1994 and 1996.I am interested in the simple cures for cancer discussed here.The lakhovsky coils that I still wear cured my arthritis.Anything I can do to stay healthy
and eat the so called standard american diet(SAD).Yes I like shortcuts.Triffid
So you wear coils and they cure your arthritis?
I have heard of people finding that broken copper bands worn will cure arthritis, though the theory was that it provided the body with copper, but I was unsure if that was the real reason or if it was a Lakhovsky effect.
I've been told by a lot of people that our brain is the most powerful cure of all. It can trigger hormones and anti-bodies that can cure almost all sickness of mankind. All you need is something that you believe is a cure . That copper may be one of those.
I do hope that a machine that can trigger our brains to produce the needed anti-bodies and cure will be invented soon, or maybe this could be existing today but we are just ignoring it.
If its all in my head thats ok.Thats where the pain was in the first place.And for several months the pain was just getting worse.Broken lakhovsky coils might still work.The ends just cannot be electrically connected to make a circle.I can only claim that these coils took away my arthritis.I used a spice to cure the arthritis I used to have in my knees.The lakhovsky coils took away the arthritis in my ankle.I stand about 10 hours a day at work.So the improvement has been amazing.I still limp but I had a stroke in 1999.That spice took away the arthritis in my knees in less than a week and I had that for a year.It didn't keep the arthritis from developing in my ankle later(i learned there are about 600 types of arthritis you can get).So one was cured but I got another.I thought at first it was bad shoes.But the doctor told me arthritis and I had xrays taken.I was told it was pretty advanced.So at the last checkup, 2 weeks ago, I told her it was cured and how.I just got smiles.No problem all they did was give me pain pills for it.Pain pills I told her I didn't need anymore.So she didn't refill that prescription.
That spice was turmeric powder.I first read about it in a newspaper article.I paid less than $10.00 for a bottle from the spice shelf in a grocery store.I used one teaspoon in a glass of water.Stirred well and choked it down for three days. I noticed a big cooling down of the knee joints and continued for two more days.On the sixth day I no longer needed it and since it tastes terrible anyway it was easy to stop taking it.Triffid
The dose was one teaspoon in a glass of water once a day.So I choked down about 5 days worth.Triffid
I used only insulated wires for my coils.No bare copper wires touched my skin---ever!So I never got any copper that way.I prefer the electronic explanation of how lakhovsky coils work.Triffid
I like the electro/aetheric resonator answer more myself.
Here is a bit of a list then, with Tumeric added. (answers nearer the top generally better)
Arthritis:
Cherries
Copper ring (can be insulated)
Tumeric powder 1tsp x 5days or more
Magnets
Msm
Green lipped muscle extract
Boswellia
Grape juice and certo
Prolotherapy
Gin soaked prunes/rasins
White willow bark extract
Grape seed extract
I have researched it in the past to help my mother, and by doing a bunch of healthful stuff she says she is a new woman and feels 25 years younger (literally).
BTW, I am very very happy to have found the book/ebook http://www.theemotioncode.com/
http://www.TheEmotionCode.com/ebook.html
I HIGHLY recommend it.
Today I heard a nice little story.Don't for sure if its true.Someone I talked to watched a John wayne movie(one of the last he did-Big Jake he thought) last night and he noticed the duke wearing what looked like a copper coil(copper bracelet).Triffid
Howdy Y'all,
I noticed that Triffid mentioned using tumeric for arthritis. The reason that works is a set of chemical compounds in tumeric called curcuminoids. They are very powerful healing agents. They are in many spices including tumeric, cumin, boswellia serrata, ashwagandha, and guggul. So rather than trying to swallow raw tumeric power with water, go get some curry at the local Indian restaurant or get a big Bowl of Red at the Chili parlor. Here's some more info...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curcuminoids
http://www.curcuminoids.com/
Food is what heals us, especially fresh herbs and spices...
Blessed Be...
I do like curry better! But I needed quick results.You regular curry eaters may never get arthritis(at least one form of it).Triffid
I got some good news last saturday.I had written my brother about lakhovsky coils about three months ago.He made one for himself and received positive results from it.He then told others at his work about them.He's an auto worker so are the others .So they are happy with the results.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 17, 2008, 01:46:02 PM
I got some good news last saturday.I had written my brother about lakhovsky coils about three months ago.He made one for himself and received positive results from it.He then told others at his work about them.He's an auto worker so are the others .So they are happy with the results.Triffid
thats great news, please keep the info coming , any others out there having good results?.
Out of curiosity, I started wearing two Lakhovsky coils around the waist a couple of weeks ago, during the day. There is no difference that I can feel as of yet (Keep in mind that I feel pretty good overall, no health issues that I am aware of). About the only subtle change I have noticed after a few days of wearing the coils is that I actually have bedtime dreams, prior to wearing the coils, I couln't remember any. The dreams are neither pleasant nor nightmare-ish, best I can describe them as 'neutral'.
Read someone's post somewhere (Barry Carter's ORMUS list, IIRC) that he had vivid dreams, perhaps my brain plays tricks expecting the dreams, so I have them. Placebo effect?
A few nights ago, I began wearing the loops at bedtime as well as during the waking hours. Again, nothing to write home about on the 'physical layer', but noticed that dreams stopped, or I can't remember them.
I'll continue experimenting with the coils for a while.
jacek
My brother the auto worker told me he felt an energy coming from the coils.So he felt more more energy overall.Since he and his coworkers stand about 12 hours a day.Since we are related(means ,I guess ,we have similar health concerns). I figured if it helped me it would help him.He managed to get some friends at work to try them also.About 3 or 4 it sounded like.
I'll talk more with him later in Oct.When I visit him.I'll report back here then.
My sister-in-law wears a copper bracelet around her wrist,says its helping her.She tried wearing a wire around the waist but got red marks from it so she stopped that.And got a copper bracelet instead.Swears she can feel the difference.Triffid
Problem I have with all these Lakhovsky coils is that I do not clearly understand how they work and what exactly they do. There are so many widely ranged reports from people who have tried them or use them
I do have some idea though and in general, whether it is a waist coil or a wrist bracelet, every person has a different circumference of their body parts leading to a different wire length. A different wire length implies different wavelengths and with it different frequencies of oscillations occur. Through resonance with some (unknown?) source something happens and that is I believe why it works more for some people and less for others.
Either they have matched a harmonic frequency or not. Unfortunately it is all done by trial and error, literally pure luck, which I am not happy with. There has to be a definitive reason and explanation plus a process of achieving results for everyone. We just don't even know what are we looking for at the first place, nor do we have means to measure body changes and internal processes down to the molecular level.
Are we considering organ influence, blood influence or DNA influence and with it, is it a chemical bonds influence or an electrical charge influence, or something else. These are the unknowns that need to be investigated and determined. There has to be an effort made in reproducing results in every person and being able to measure effectiveness of the same across the board.
Any ideas from others?
To know exactly how it works would be nice, but then how can you ever "know that you know something, for certain" - we 'knew' Newton was right for hundreds of years, only to discover that his 'laws' are nothing of the sort in some situations. Same goes for homeopathy, 'science' says that it cannot possibly work but independent trials over the years have shown that it does indeed work. And even stuff like electricity, that science implies that it knows 'exactly' how it works, is almost certainly completely wrong! At least according to Bearden, and when you consider the skullduggery that 'established science' has sank to, to conceal certain aspects of electricity etc. (removing the 'aether' equations from Maxwell's work, and debunking cold-fusion, being just 2 examples) - I'm with Bearden on this one! :)
I prefer the electronic explanation of how lakhovsky coils work myself.I halfway feel that these coils are able to tap into electrical energies from the universe.Now to charge a battery from one.So much work to be done.I can say for myself I just feel better wearing them and my family has seen an improvement in me since last April when I was barely able to get up out of one of their chairs.I visited them again in July.Its what made my sister-in-law(she has M.S.) want to try them.My brother the auto worker lives in another state.I'll see him next month.Oct.I like stuff thats real simple and real safe.
I felt like i needed one lakhovsky coil around my ankle in addition to the one around my waist.My auto worker brother tried to wear one around his ankle and it did'nt feel right.So he's just wearing one around his waist.And feels more energy.Others feel less pain.Go figure.Triffid
This is in reply to the original posting for those that are interested in Kanzius's findings
It is a very informative Article that may convince some of you skeptics
http://www.rustumroy.com/Scans/Observations%20of%20polarized%20MRI%20vol%2012%20is%201.pdf
Quote from: b0rg13 on May 30, 2008, 07:59:29 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/023329.html
...FDA and most doctors should be jailed,....seems money is more important than life.( gee what a supprise ) ::)
Quote from: amigo on September 20, 2008, 11:11:44 AM
Problem I have with all these Lakhovsky coils is that I do not clearly understand how they work and what exactly they do. There are so many widely ranged reports from people who have tried them or use them
Any ideas from others?
Placebo effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
Quote from: Sprocket on September 20, 2008, 12:54:01 PM
Same goes for homeopathy, 'science' says that it cannot possibly work but independent trials over the years have shown that it does indeed work.
Can you quote these independent, double blind studies that show homeopathy works? Where were they published?
As for Bearden, his physics is as phony as his 'degree'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_E._Bearden#PhD_qualifications
Quote from: professor on September 21, 2008, 12:34:38 AM
This is in reply to the original posting for those that are interested in Kanzius's findings
It is a very informative Article that may convince some of you skeptics
What does Kanzius have to do with Laetrile, Rife or any of the other quacks mentioned in this thread?
He hasn't claimed a miraculous cure for cancer or an overunity device.
My sister-in-law(who has M.S.) swears she feels better with her copper bracelets on than without them.I got to see her monday night and she showed me two copper bracelets she had bought.She let me wear one for a while but it started turning my skin green(after about an hour) So I gave it right back to her.I can only claim they helped me (the lakhovsky coils).
Placebo or not, my ankle is stronger than it was and I no longer take pain pills to get me through the day.Can't wait to see my brother in Oct and to hear what more he can tell me.Triffid
You are the Wizard you figure it out!!
I give you one Clue : Read the heading " Cancer cure" Now Google Rife or Kanzius!
Get it ?
professor
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 24, 2008, 01:46:07 PM
What does Kanzius have to do with Laetrile, Rife or any of the other quacks mentioned in this thread?
He hasn't claimed a miraculous cure for cancer or an overunity device.
"You are the Wizard you figure it out!!
I give you one Clue : Read the heading " Cancer cure" Now Google Rife or Kanzius!
Get it ?
professor"
I happen to have met the 'Wizard of Google'...and he's no Wizard of Google. :)
The real 'Wizard of Google' is wise and totally unbiased.
Regerds...
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 24, 2008, 01:37:55 PM
Placebo effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo
If I wasn't posing almost a rhetorical question, I would laugh at your reply, but I feel saddened that you think that way without really looking into it further. It depicts commonplace close mindedness on your part, influenced by no doubt years of brainwashed thinking inside the box.
I did look further and still am. That's why I have more questions which need answers. It also means I am satisfied with the original proof that the claims and experiments Lakhovsky conducted were true.
Howdy Amigo,
The theory of resonant healing is pretty straight forward. You have heard of biorhythms? All the components of your body, from individual cells, to whole organs, to your entire body, have a rhythmic harmonic resonance. Each individual part creates a sort of biological music. When all these parts work together in harmony they make beautiful music. When one or more parts are not working properly this music goes sour, out of tune, out of rhythm. The idea behind harmonic healing is to use proper frequencies to re-tune the areas which have fallen out of harmony. Each part of the body has its proper operating frequency and when not functioning properly will not make the correct frequency, it will make a sour note. Something that Rife did was to identify the proper frequencies, and then learn how to detect the sour notes. An electromagnetic frequency generator is used to re-tune the malfunctioning body parts back into the correct frequencies. The trick is to properly detect which part of the body is producing the sour note, and then know the correct frequency to treat that particular part with.
This is not something that should be done haphazardly, although there are some general purpose healing frequencies that can be used for general purpose wellness. The masters of this are Rife and Lakhovsky. They had the spiritual ability to discern the proper frequencies to treat the malfunctioning parts. It would be a good idea to reference their notes before treatment. However there are other masters of this art. Chinese medicine is thousands of years old. They use this same methodology but instead of using electromagnetic radiation they use herbs. Each herb has a resonant frequency just like you can do with a frequency generator. The Chinese will diagnose a patient, then consult the body of healing knowledge to figure out which herb or herbal mix will generate the correct frequencies for healing a particular ailment. The Chinese herbal doctors are true healing masters. They have taken the holistic and homeopathic medicine to the advanced extreme and I believe that their medicine far surpasses even the most sophisticated western medicine. I have been studying Chinese herbal medicine indirectly for a while and hope to master it someday...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: z.monkey on September 25, 2008, 10:14:26 PM
Each individual part creates a sort of biological music. .
Each herb has a resonant frequency just like you can do with a frequency generator.
Well said Z.monkey,
Im just now learning this stuff, atoms are waves and such.....
Any suggestions?
I got a book on sympathetic vibrations by keely but....
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Howdy PYRODIN123321,
Believe it or not the greatest source of information is within you. It is your connection to the universal all. It is your soul, your spirit, the I AM that I AM, the spark of life within you which is a bit of GOD. There is a source of healing power which is so great it can even overcome death. The access to this power is within you and you only need to know how to access it. This is something that I have know of for a long time, but just recently started to take very seriously. There are certain factors in the world at this time that made me feel that it was imperative to master these things. I have been suppressing my habits so that I could attain the spiritual clarity to learn these things. And it has payed off in wonderful multiplicative ways that I am just beginning to comprehend.
There are a couple of books that I uploaded to this site that can help you to understand and utilize these concepts. One is "Unveiled Mysteries" By Godfre' Ray King and has to do with Saint Germain. The other is the "Kybalion" by The Three Initiates which is Hermetic Philosophy.
"Unveiled Mysteries"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item131
"Kybalion"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item136
Blessed Be...
z.monkey, I read 'Unveiled Mysteries" and didn't realise until near the end that it had been written in the 30's - so the writer has long since expired (Ascension excepted ! :D) I definitely got the impression that the author believed that the "golden age" was 'just around the corner', whereas 80 years on, the world is a far more God-less place now than then (imo)! Was St. Germain telling the author porkies?
Howdy Sprocket,
Porkies? Time moves faster in the higher densities. A twinkle in the eye of an Archangel is a 1000 years on the physical plane. So it's a time context difference. The Age of Aquarius started in 1957 and were just getting around to the really exciting part of the threshold of ages...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: Sprocket on September 26, 2008, 04:24:23 PM
z.monkey, I read 'Unveiled Mysteries" and didn't realise until near the end that it had been written in the 30's - so the writer has long since expired (Ascension excepted ! :D) I definitely got the impression that the author believed that the "golden age" was 'just around the corner', whereas 80 years on, the world is a far more God-less place now than then (imo)! Was St. Germain telling the author porkies?
Now we are channeling this stuff from Saint Germain?
The obvious answer is "Godfre Ray King" (aka Guy Ballard) was making it all up. Weren't the entire I AM leadership convicted of fraud in the 1940's after Ballard died of a heart attack?
Next you'll be telling me about the ascended master "George Adamski". Is there anything you guys won't believe?
Howdy WizardofMars,
Is there anything you don't defecate on?
Blessed Be...
Good deserving Answer,Bravo!
professor
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 05:22:47 PM
Howdy WizardofMars,
Is there anything you don't defecate on?
Blessed Be...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 24, 2008, 05:24:42 PM
I give you one Clue : Read the heading " Cancer cure" Now Google Rife or Kanzius!
I get it:
Rife was an unqualified quack from the 1930's who claimed to cure all diseases while raising money from gullible investors.
AFAIK Kanzius is an actual scientist doing research with other actual scientists who hasn't made any crazy claims about curing anything.
So what's the connection?
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 05:22:47 PM
Is there anything you don't defecate on?
Everything you've posted is ancient, recycled crap. Nobody on this entire thread has come up with any credible science to show why Rife or any of the other UFO channeling quacks mentioned should be worth more than 30 seconds study, except perhaps as an exercise in psychology and group think.
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 05:19:47 PM
Now we are channeling this stuff from Saint Germain?
The obvious answer is "Godfre Ray King" (aka Guy Ballard) was making it all up. Weren't the entire I AM leadership convicted of fraud in the 1940's after Ballard died of a heart attack?
Next you'll be telling me about the ascended master "George Adamski". Is there anything you guys won't believe?
In order to form a qualified opinion, one must at least be familiar with the information (ie. read the stuff) - a concept you are sadly unaware of, as the amount of diatribe you spew makes clear! I would also really like to know what makes someone with such a negative mentality tick - you get no restbite from the bitterness it would appear...
Keyboard spillage reported...sending z the bill. ;D
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 05:30:35 PM
Everything you've posted is ancient, recycled crap. Nobody on this entire thread has come up with any credible science to show why Rife or any of the other UFO channeling quacks mentioned should be worth more than 30 seconds study, except perhaps as an exercise in psychology and group think.
Howdy WizardofMars,
So you haven't dissed my information about Spiritual healing and Chinese medicine. Are you going to dis GOD as well? Sprocket is right, you should at least be familiar with the subject matter you are trying to debunk. Resonant healing is a valid method of healing, even if you don't like Rife, there are many others....
Blessed Be...
By Now It has becoming quite obvious,that you never read an entire story.
As I stated before you are an ignorant ,uneducated, stupid Troll.
RCA Victor Company I suppose you heard of them? build these Rife Machines and the Doctors were using these Devices
Until.......
I am not going any further because of your lack of understanding and comprehension. How can one communicate with a Fool?
By the way if anyone really wanted to know more ,there are forums with people that are successfully using these devices
I am one of them. And don't confuse Rife's old technology using Tubes, with that of Kanzius new technology which is not anything like the Rife Machine but serves the same purpose just in a different way
professor
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Quote from: wizardofmars on September 26, 2008, 05:27:58 PM
I get it:
wizardofmars is an unqualified quack from the 2008's who claimes to know everything of nothing while raising hell with gullible posters.
AFAIK Kanzius is an actual scientist doing research with other actual scientists who hasn't made any crazy claims about curing anything.
So what's the connection? wizardofmars your connection is short Circuited
Quote from: professor on September 26, 2008, 07:01:04 PM
RCA Victor Company I suppose you heard of them? build these Rife Machines and the Doctors were using these Devices
Until.......
I've spent many fruitless hours reading about Rife and other frauds like him. I briefly considered writing a book on Rife when I saw how much money Barry Lynes made with his Rife book.
Please post a credible source showing the RCA Victor company built Rife machines. I've never seen that claimed before.
Heya z.monkey, et al,
I am aware of the resonance healing theory and that it might as well be explanation for the effects/results. On the other hand I also believe that our intent somehow has to do with things around us very much so I do not exclude that option either. :)
What I would like to achieve is an ability for anyone, whether they have ESP or not, to be able to successfully detect and apply treatment without having to go and visit the medieval butchers...err physicians, or to take drugs those "doctors" are peddling for the Pharmaceutical Corps.
It does sound like a "tall order" and it could be, but I want verifiable and reproducible effects that make sense. Worst thing is doing something without understanding why it is done that way or what happens when it's being done. And as you are probably aware, our entire "system" in the World is based on totally opposite principles. We are mainly told to just put one and one together and we get two, but we shouldn't worry why is it two and not eleven. :)
Howdy Amigo,
Yes that is a tall order. Basically people develop their physical knowledge first and spiritual knowledge follows. When it comes to healing, spiritual healing is much more effective but that spiritual knowledge follows attaining the physical knowledge of healing. So someone who has no knowledge of healing in the physical or the spiritual would have a hard time trying to heal anything. The ultimate crash course in healing is to get to know your higher self. Your spirit is connected to the universal all. Being able to have communion with your higher self the knowledge of healing will come quicker than any physical method of learning healing. Sorry, this is not the answer that you want to hear. Healing is an advanced science even for the spirit. One must develop their skills to be effective at it. My best advise is to get information and read it, keep studying, keep learning, keep growing. I know that no one is ever challenged beyond their limits, this is a spiritual law.
Blessed Be...
A Quick Primer on Rife.
To understand the principles behind the Emag+,
it helps to know a little bit about the work of
Royal Raymond Rife
A discussion of Emag+ would be incomplete without a discussion of the pioneering work of Royal R. Rife -- since both Rife's beam ray machine and Emag+ are plasma frequency devices, and both employ (in Rife's case 'employed') frequencies in the same lower hertz range.
In the 1920's Royal Raymond Rife observed under his microscope that bacteria, viruses and diseases could be affected while radiating them with frequencies from a plasma tube antenna.
The research setup he used to make these observations has not been preserved and therefore his observations are being rediscovered and advanced by many researchers worldwide. The right column of this page lists books that will give you an in-depth look at Rife -- the man, and his work, but for the ease of our users, we provide a quick summary below.
Royal Raymond Rife Royal Raymond Rife was born in 1988 in Elkton, Nebraska. In 1913, he travelled to San Diego, California with his wife from New York -- a place that would set the stage for the Rife tragedy.
Very early on, Rife showed a tremendous interest in microscopy. His unique talent would take him to build his first unit in 1920 -- then lead him to create his crowning achievement in that field in the 1933: the Universal Microscope. To this date, no microscope, not even advanced electron microscopes, can magnify objects to the power of Rife's (resolution to 31,000 X and magnification of 60,000 X) while allowing the operator to view the smallest living microbes -- viruses.
Rife then created cultures of microbes, and from 1920 to 1925, he sectioned, stained, and tested some 20,000 pathological tissues -- looking for ways to destroy the organisms through the transmission of electromagnetic frequencies. Rife perfected his microscope to the point where he was able to identify and classify pathogenic micro-organisms according to their M.O.R. (Mortal Oscillatory Rate) -- the precise frequency that "blew them up."
In 1932 Rife observed a virus from a breast cancer tissue sample and was able to discover the following: that cancer was directly caused by what he called the "BX cancer virus" -- an organism just 1/15 micron in length and 1/20 micron in breath. Secondly, that this cancer micro-organism had four forms (i.e. was 'pleomorphic'), further reinforcing the theories of 19th century biologist, Antoine Beauchamp -- and that, furthermore, it could be destroyed in vitro or in vivo when attacked in proximity to the correct lower hertz frequency at a refraction angle of 12.1875 degrees, using a plasma generating argon-filled tube energized with 5,000 volts.
Rife went on to observe this pleomorphic metamorphosis over 300 times with identical and positive results. This repeated success lead to the creation of a structured clinical test in 1934 in cooperation with the Hooper Foundation in California. In that test, sixteen advanced cancer cases were treated using Rife's Frequency Instrument (later to be called Ray Beam). Every single patient recovered with complete remission.
The success of Rife's work eventually caught the attention of Morris Fishbein, president of the American Medical Association -- an enterprising medical doctor who never actually practiced medicine. Through intermediaries Fishbein vigorously sought to "buy up" Rife's company, his patent work -- thus owning technology. Rife and his associates refused.
Rife was subpoened in May, 1939 in a lawsuit filed by the AMA against Rife and his company, Beam Ray. It was the beginning of a long campaign by powerful, monied medical interests to make sure that Rife's technology would be permanently suppressed. Given its outrageousness, the AMA eventually lost its case. (The judge in the case, Edward Kelly, even agreed afterwards to help the defendants sue the AMA -- but by then Rife and his associates were all broke).
Through repeated harassment and targeting, Rife and all his associates met their demise. Ben Cullen, who funded Beam Ray, lost his home and ended up dying a broken man. Dr. Milbank Johnson compiled Rife's work and was reported to be preparing an announcement on the "Cure for Cancer." He fell suddenly ill and died shortly after being admitted to a hospital in 1944. Federal inspectors in the late 1950's - early 1960's concluded that Dr. Johnson was most probably poisoned. Dr. Arthur Kendall, the wealthy, famous pathologist, whose "K Medium" was essential to Rife's discovery, died penniless, supported only by his son-in-law, in 1959. Rife and his understudy, John Crane, were both imprisoned. Rife's laboratory conveniently burned to the ground -- and Rife's equipment and microscopes were all confiscated, vandalized, or stolen. Many doctors who continued to press in favor of Rife's work lost their license to practice medicine. (It is all thoroughly documented.)
Rife himself, a gentle soul, quiet researcher, and meticulous keeper of lab notes, became an alcoholic and died homeless and penniless in 1971 at the age of 83.
Though the Rife's story, as told in the thousands of surviving documents that have since been amassed, sounds like the stuff of urban legend, but it most decidedly is not. [ You should understand the reasons why.]
Howdy Professor,
Thanks for that extremely informative and FACTUAL article on Dr. Royal R. Rife.
It's a shame that the AMA had to be such a bunch of greedy pigs. They could have made some legitimate money using Rife's technology. Instead they have heaped a massive steaming pile of bad karma upon themselves. Well, that's OK, the AMA will get destroyed and Rife's technology lives on through us. I hope Dr. Rife can see his ultimate victory in heaven...
Blessed Be...
Quote from: professor on September 26, 2008, 11:32:41 PM
A Quick Primer on Rife.
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Please don't copy and paste random info without identifying the source.
I repeat - please post a credible source for your claim the RCA Victor company built Rife machines. I've never seen that claimed before.
Quote from: professor on September 26, 2008, 11:32:41 PM
Dr. Milbank Johnson compiled Rife's work and was reported to be preparing an announcement on the "Cure for Cancer." He fell suddenly ill and died shortly after being admitted to a hospital in 1944. Federal inspectors in the late 1950's - early 1960's concluded that Dr. Johnson was most probably poisoned.
This is a myth promoted by Barry Lynes, and is probably based on the story fed to him by Crane, which is really the origin of this whole Rife resurgence in the 1990's.
Fact: Dr. Milbank Johnson died of a heart attack in 1944 at the age of 72, years after he had finished his involvement with Rife. There were no 'federal inspectors' or conspiracy. You can read Johnsons correspondence at http://rife.org/milbankjohnson/milbankjohnson.html - Johnson hadn't had anything to do with Rife for years before he died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbank_Johnson
All of the serious Rife researchers acknowledge this is just a wild tale. Even people selling Rife gear (e.g. http://www.dfe.net/Milbank_Johnson.html) admit it's a lie ("Note that most of the stories regarding Dr. Milbank Johnson are inaccurate, with some simply being completely false. The history as it is here presented is based on extensive research and hard-copy evidence").
It's indicative of the quality of the information in this thread however. People throw out any fact without checking on it or considering the source.
To quote the Wikipedia article on Lynes, it's all about the money.
Quote
Lynes ...rejected much of the fraudulent multi-level marketing of Rife machines which occurred after the publication of the book.
"Sadly, in most cases, the cancer patients lost precious time - three or four months - before recognising that they had been swindled in a clever marketing scheme. People died because they had faithfully used the worthless black box instead of orthodox or alternative, non-conventional cancer therapies which actually worked."
â€ââ,¬ÂBarry Lynes
Greetings,
It STILL boils down to the fact that professional rife type machines WORK.
Therefore wizardofmars ( doesn't he wish ) can bad mouth all he wants, but the fact remains thousands of these devices are being used in different countries.
And, of course the wizard (?) has not used one himself so how can he possibly know.
We will always have these types around to cast disbelief on what others have found viable. It's a type of sickness. Maybe a rife device can correct it. Notice I did not use the term cure.
Best guess, he's a wandering FDA, AMA ghost who finds forums on which to cast doubt on technology that threatens the US Gov. Corporation. Yes, our gov is a hostile corp that protects its own. (Oh. Didn't you know?) Don't get me started.
I'm trying to get permission to post info from one company that is under siege by the government, trying to bankrupt the owner out of business thru frivolous court cases that they ( the gov) keep losing, They have also raided and seized property without a court order. Sound familiar? The IRS did that to me several years ago.
All I can do is thank God for having been led to this technology and for the superb results I've obtained.
Please mars baby, go back to mars.
wizardofmars
May I quote to you my previous remark!
"There is no sense in communicating with a Fool". Your credibility is a Big zero. You are here to stir the Pot . I wont give you that satisfaction Good Bye and good rid dins.
Get it!
professor
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 27, 2008, 12:04:43 PM
Please don't copy and paste random info without identifying the source.
I repeat - please post a credible source for your claim the RCA Victor company built Rife machines. I've never seen that claimed before.
This is a myth promoted by Barry Lynes, and is probably based on the story fed to him by Crane, which is really the origin of this whole Rife resurgence in the 1990's.
Fact: Dr. Milbank Johnson died of a heart attack in 1944 at the age of 72, years after he had finished his involvement with Rife. There were no 'federal inspectors' or conspiracy. You can read Johnsons correspondence at http://rife.org/milbankjohnson/milbankjohnson.html - Johnson hadn't had anything to do with Rife for years before he died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbank_Johnson
All of the serious Rife researchers acknowledge this is just a wild tale. Even people selling Rife gear (e.g. http://www.dfe.net/Milbank_Johnson.html) admit it's a lie ("Note that most of the stories regarding Dr. Milbank Johnson are inaccurate, with some simply being completely false. The history as it is here presented is based on extensive research and hard-copy evidence").
It's indicative of the quality of the information in this thread however. People throw out any fact without checking on it or considering the source.
To quote the Wikipedia article on Lynes, it's all about the money.
*pays for one way shipping*
Quote from: professor on September 27, 2008, 02:12:48 PM
wizardofmars
May I quote to you my previous remark!
"There is no sense in communicating with a Fool". Your credibility is a Big zero. You are here to stir the Pot . I wont give you that satisfaction Good Bye and good rid dins.
So you've posted two wild claims to this thread which you just copied from somewhere else, but won't defend them? ::)
Typical.
No to all . I don't need to spoon feed you, according to you , you have read these Articles before so therefore go and find them again for yourself .
You still don't get it! Are you that dense? I wish not to communicate with a Moron for better choice of words.
Go get lost!
professor
Quote from: wizardofmars on September 27, 2008, 04:28:23 PM
So you've posted two wild claims to this thread which you just copied from somewhere else, but won't defend them? ::)
Typical.
Hey Proessor
wizzzard is a TROLL, why bother with him. He obviously does not believe in any of this forum and just likes to argue. he'll get tierd and leave soon enough.
Hi vonwolf
Sorry I got carried away I know I am not the only one he does this kind of stunt to everyone.
Probably lacks attention at home so he seeks it here.
Only I was foolish enough to take the bait
Why cant Kids like that simply be banned?
professor
Quote from: vonwolf on September 27, 2008, 04:57:14 PM
Hey Proessor
wizzzard is a TROLL, why bother with him. He obviously does not believe in any of this forum and just likes to argue. he'll get tierd and leave soon enough.
Quote from: z.monkey on September 26, 2008, 08:41:44 PM
...
I know that no one is ever challenged beyond their limits, this is a spiritual law.
...
heya z.monkey,
that last thing you said kinda stuck in my head...
I wonder does that mean that challenges that are presented to us are never beyond our abilities, or that challenges *we* present to ourselves are never beyond our abilities (or both)?
I think you understand the implications of the later? :)
Anything we set out to do can be accomplished no matter how difficult or unsurmountable task might look at first, showing the infinite possibilities that lay before us and the true power we can wield.
Howdy Amigo,
We always underestimate the power we have. The "powers that be" count on this. We are continually tested by higher forces. If common man only had to live up to his own expectations he would not progress at all. It is these challenges in life that make us grow. When you can find your own challenges and grow and learn on your own is when you are considered to be a master. Then the higher forces will stop challenging you because they know you can find your own challenges. This is the mastery of life, to grow and evolve spiritually and mentally. This is what brings us closer to GOD...
Blessed Be...
Howdy Y'all,
Found out something cool today. John Hutchison supports the Rife Generator. On his website we calls it "An, ancient life extension device, The Rife Machine". It is under the section of Egyptian Ancient Technology. Here's a link...
http://www.hutchisoneffect.ca/Egyptian%20Technology.html
Blessed Be...
Hello All,Since I had a lot of success with the Lakhovsky coils as presented in www.copperhealth.com and reported those results here in this thread.I want to report any negative effects I have had too.Just in the interest of science and being fair and all that.About a week ago I went to bed wearing coils around both wrists,my waist,and my ankle.That first night I felt really good.The second night I wore them all again and woke up with a stiff right wrist in the middle of the night.Surprised,I took that coil off the right wrist and a few hours later in the morning It felt all right.The third night I had them on all again but in about 15 minutes the right wrist did not feel ok.So I removed that coil again.And the wrist felt ok later.So I felt that its just as important to report negatives here too as well as positive results.Triffid
Howdy Y'all,
WizardofMars in going to have a conniption fit. This document covers Dr. Royal Raymond Rife's microscope and how he cured cancer with it. The Rife Microscope is super fascinating by itself. Dr. Rife was a supergenius and don't let anyone tell you he was not...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item143
Blessed Be...
This interview on Hemp was done at RPR (Ron Paul Revolution Radio).
Please try to put aside any partisan political tendencies and give this listen.
It has renewed relevance as it relates to today's economic "crisis"...numerous agricultural resourses available to grow paper, totally delicious cereals - ever chewed on dry wheat or corn? Never really chewed on any dried hemp tho..near as I recall anyway.
Its also good for making cloth (the original jeans--later copied in pattern by using cotton "Denim" after Rockerfeller etal had Hemp criminalized)
Probably the worlds most nutritional plant...but denied from us by through the undue influence by big business interests(rich sociopathetic murderers that they are).
Some day a lot of people are going to suddenly become aware of the big con...and we all see what happens in the westerns, when the boys down at the saloon catch wind that they're holding the killer is down at the jail.
And with any luck this time around, it may turn out to be just a regular lynching...but you never can tell, people are gonna be a little unhappy and maybe having a few...so they may wish to make an evening out of it.
Nevertheless, back to the interview.
Regards...
http://mp3.rprradio.com/16k/200803/20080310_Mon_DeFoe1.mp3
Here is his web blog if it hasn't been put up before...
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/
Quote from: z.monkey on October 02, 2008, 04:45:09 PM
Howdy Y'all,
WizardofMars in going to have a conniption fit. This document covers Dr. Royal Raymond Rife's microscope and how he cured cancer with it. The Rife Microscope is super fascinating by itself. Dr. Rife was a supergenius and don't let anyone tell you he was not...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item143
Blessed Be...
Hi z.monkey
I just received an E mail from the Rife Forum that I am a Member of
For all that are interested or have Cancer here it is:
The Rife Conference is October 10-12 in Seattle.
At http://www.rifeconference.com you can see the speaker schedule.
Dr. Hulda Clark will be sharing her latest concepts on dealing with current diseases.
here are some Links as well.
www.rife.de
www.rifeforum.com
professor
Quote from: professor on October 06, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
The Rife Conference is October 10-12 in Seattle.
If it wasn't $189 I'd go.
The Seattle Times did a big expose last year on local 'energy machine' dealers, the cancer patients who had died in Seattle and their legal battles. I'm surprised they chose to hold the conference here given all the bad PR.
Quote from: professor on September 27, 2008, 02:12:48 PM
wizardofmars
May I quote to you my previous remark!
"There is no sense in communicating with a Fool". Your credibility is a Big zero. You are here to stir the Pot . I wont give you that satisfaction Good Bye and good rid dins.
Get it!
professor
You are clearly embarrassed about your own credibility because you cannot admit your mistake. You keep posting nonsense and cannot defend it! How lame is that?
Lie #1 - Please post a credible source for your claim the RCA Victor company built Rife machines. I've never seen that claimed before.
Lie #2
Dr. Milbank Johnson compiled Rife's work and was reported to be preparing an announcement on the "Cure for Cancer." He fell suddenly ill and died shortly after being admitted to a hospital in 1944. Federal inspectors in the late 1950's - early 1960's concluded that Dr. Johnson was most probably poisoned.Fact: Dr. Milbank Johnson died of a heart attack in 1944 at the age of 72, years after he had finished his involvement with Rife. There were no 'federal inspectors' or conspiracy. You can read Johnsons correspondence at http://rife.org/milbankjohnson/milbankjohnson.html - Johnson hadn't had anything to do with Rife for years before he died.
Here is a memorial to a real person who spent $17,000 on one of William Nelson's EPFX machines and it didn't help.
http://karen-mcbeth.memory-of.com/
from that page:
The Seattle Times has published a series of articles on the "Miracle Machines", machines that claim to cure all the world's ills. Karen was suckered into buying one of these machines in her last year of life. I have helped the Seattle Times by allowing her story to be used. Karen was "every woman", in that she was someone that was well educated but ultimately her belief that something might cure her lead her to spend thousands of dollars chasing frauds.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/medicaldevices/
It's all about the money.
A couple of days ago I read in a book that there are 30,000 or so (60,000 the way I read it) cosmic rays hitting every human being on the surface of the earth per minute!These are "hard" mesons."Soft " mesons being electrons that don't make it very far into the earth's atmosphere.So "hard" mesons are like 270 to 700 times more heavy than an electron.The hard mesons are neg,pos,and neutral.I guess there is enough cosmic rays to power a lakhovsky coil after all.Triffid
I still wear a lakhovsky coil around my right ankle most of the time.When I don't wear the ankle coil for a few days sometimes my ankle starts to hurt again.Then I put the coil back on
and the pain lessens or goes away completely the next day.The ankle coil is the only one I wear nowadays.I really don't feel the need for more coils than that.Triffid
Thanks for the updates triffid.
I just tweaked my lower back doing some poorly planed lifting...I have put my trunk coil back on, as my back isn't coming around with rest...although I have been stressing it some.
Here's hoping the coil fixes my back, I already sat out 2 hockey games because of it so far.
Regards...
I have some more info on cosmic rays which are said to be at least partially powering Lakhovsky coils.Primary electrons constitute 1% of the total cosmic rays hitting the earth.Then the positron(anti-electron)/(normal matter)electron ratio is about 10% of that.So one tenth of 1% is antimatter at least(Antiprotons not included).
Sea Level cosmic ray dose is 30 millirads a year.Sea level ionization is 2.22x10^6 ionpairs/(m)(s).Source---CRC handbook of Chemistry and Physics.64th ed.I never realized before that antimatter might be involved.Too bad we don't run our cars using Lakhovsky coils.Nothing else we might be able to harvest antimatter in space.Triffid
Here's a question:
Does winding orientation matter (CW vs CCW) for Lakhovsky coils?
I also recall that I read somewhere that Cosmic Rays are more effective during the night time because Sun is set and not interfering with radiations so do we know what orientation they prefer?
Maybe I should just dowse this question and see what I get...haven't done any dowsing in a while now though, don't wanna get skewed results.
A lakhovsky coil is defined as an open ended loop of one turn.I do not see how cw or ccw would matter.The cosmic ray articles did mention a increase or decrease depending on the latitude and angle the cosmic rays were entering the earth's atmosphere.What amazed me was that antimatter was involved at all in generating cosmic rays although I probably read it somewhere before.Also
lakhovsky coils are said to be powered by radio waves and maybe the earth's magnetic field in addition to cosmic rays.Triffid
I do think I read there are more particles coming from the sun than the rest of the universe so I would think you get more "cosmic rays" on the daylit side depending I guess on how you define cosmic rays.I have always considered particles from the sun as part of cosmic rays.Triffid
You would use induction to tap power from a Lakhovsky coil.So my 25 foot extenstion cord was perfect.It had a ground cord plus two other wires that could remain open ended.I just can't measure 1/1000 volts with my less than $20.00 voltmeter from radio shack.I did try the experiment and most often could get the minus sign on it to vanish.ie. I seemed to get some kind of result.Triffid
There may also be other forces/factors involved in 'operation' of the Lakhovsky coil.
Energy is created in a motor by the interaction of iron, copper, and magnetism.
Its my theory that the electrical field of the body. combined with the iron in the blood, passing by a copper coil may also be energizing the body as the same combination energizes a motor.
Regards...
Hi triffid,
From what I can understand in Lakhovsky design, the wire is a resonant tank, formed from the loop part being the inductance, and the overlapping part forming the capacitance. Are your coils not overlapping at the ends at least inch or two?
In a configuration I described above, there is a definitive CW / CCW direction depending how you overlap the wires. Further more we could probably compute resonant frequencies, based on the length of wire and perhaps measure inductance and capacitance as well.
For example a quick measurement of the coil on my right wrist (hey I got one each on my wrists and ankles ;) ) shows about 0.27uH inductance and 19.4uF capacitance, with a length of 9-3/4" and an overlap of 1-3/4".
If we apply a basic LC tank formula (just for the sake of example, it might not be correct) we get
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forkosh.dreamhost.com%2Fmathtex.cgi%3Ff%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B1%257D%257B2%255Cpi%255Csqrt%257BLC%257D%257D%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B1%257D%257B2%255Cpi%255Csqrt%257B0.27%2A10%255E%257B-6%257D%2A19.4%2A10%255E%257B-6%257D%257D%257D%255Capprox69.54KHz&hash=eaef7d0bb59461c8793158f72641bf7467967bd5)
Or we look at the length of wire, which is 0.24765m, the frequency of that full wave is
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forkosh.dreamhost.com%2Fmathtex.cgi%3F%255Cnu%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257Bc%257D%257B%255Clambda%257D%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B300000000%257D%257B0.24765%257D%255Capprox1.211GHz&hash=59073dcfa1e8207d60cd992fd87d5b0e5041e1a2)
Either way there are some numbers we can retrieve from this and work are way through deduction...
What I'm trying to say is that for everything must exist an explanation that is based on knowledge and not belief or mysticism. :)
Quote from: amigo on October 28, 2008, 10:28:37 PM
Hi triffid,
From what I can understand in Lakhovsky design, the wire is a resonant tank, formed from the loop part being the inductance, and the overlapping part forming the capacitance. Are your coils not overlapping at the ends at least inch or two?
In a configuration I described above, there is a definitive CW / CCW direction depending how you overlap the wires. Further more we could probably compute resonant frequencies, based on the length of wire and perhaps measure inductance and capacitance as well.
For example a quick measurement of the coil on my right wrist (hey I got one each on my wrists and ankles ;) ) shows about 0.27uH inductance and 19.4uF capacitance, with a length of 9-3/4" and an overlap of 1-3/4".
If we apply a basic LC tank formula (just for the sake of example, it might not be correct) we get
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forkosh.dreamhost.com%2Fmathtex.cgi%3Ff%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B1%257D%257B2%255Cpi%255Csqrt%257BLC%257D%257D%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B1%257D%257B2%255Cpi%255Csqrt%257B0.27%2A10%255E%257B-6%257D%2A19.4%2A10%255E%257B-6%257D%257D%257D%255Capprox69.54KHz&hash=eaef7d0bb59461c8793158f72641bf7467967bd5)
Or we look at the length of wire, which is 0.24765m, the frequency of that full wave is
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forkosh.dreamhost.com%2Fmathtex.cgi%3F%255Cnu%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257Bc%257D%257B%255Clambda%257D%2520%3D%2520%255Cfrac%257B300000000%257D%257B0.24765%257D%255Capprox1.211GHz&hash=59073dcfa1e8207d60cd992fd87d5b0e5041e1a2)
Either way there are some numbers we can retrieve from this and work are way through deduction...
What I'm trying to say is that for everything must exist an explanation that is based on knowledge and not belief or mysticism. :)
Amigo my good old friend how are you,
Very interesting Subject and I am not here to bash or criticize you,just to get something obvious cleared up.
As you know I am a Radio Amateur and have been playing with RF circuits pretty near all my Life as well as professionally.
I did not do the Math and frankly I do not want to get into that either, but as I said, it is obvious that 1 3/4 inch overlap can not produce a Capacitance in the uf Range especially a round Conductor. Even using two plates you are looking in the very low pf ranges.
To demonstrate that look at an old tuning Capacitor used in the old Tube or early transistor Radios,if my memory serves me right they were 565 pf or thereabouts and had many plates spaced very closely and were about 1 3/4 inch in lenghth as well.
This of course would change your Calculations drastically.
Just my 2 cents worth
professor
Quote from: professor on October 29, 2008, 02:29:00 PM
Amigo my good old friend how are you,
Very interesting Subject and I am not here to bash or criticize you,just to get something obvious cleared up.
As you know I am a Radio Amateur and have been playing with RF circuits pretty near all my Life as well as professionally.
I did not do the Math and frankly I do not want to get into that either, but as I said, it is obvious that 1 3/4 inch overlap can not produce a Capacitance in the uf Range especially a round Conductor. Even using two plates you are looking in the very low pf ranges.
To demonstrate that look at an old tuning Capacitor used in the old Tube or early transistor Radios,if my memory serves me right they were 565 pf or thereabouts and had many plates spaced very closely and were about 1 3/4 inch in lenghth as well.
This of course would change your Calculations drastically.
Just my 2 cents worth
professor
Greetings professor,
You are absolutely right and your comments on this are worth $2 not 2c. I have realized my error last night when I went to bed and gone through the deductions on the whole issue. It appears that there could not be a capacitance of that magnitude in the coil and that my meter was just acting up.
For the sake of my education, how would one even determine the capacitance; is the capacitance formed by the overlapping part at all; or if there is any to consider?
I will have to revisit Lakhovsky's writings again and this time take notes on what he talked about regarding the sources of energies and just resonant circuits in general relating to his discoveries.
Quote from: amigo on October 29, 2008, 10:14:44 PM
Greetings professor,
You are absolutely right and your comments on this are worth $2 not 2c. I have realized my error last night when I went to bed and gone through the deductions on the whole issue. It appears that there could not be a capacitance of that magnitude in the coil and that my meter was just acting up.
For the sake of my education, how would one even determine the capacitance; is the capacitance formed by the overlapping part at all; or if there is any to consider?
I will have to revisit Lakhovsky's writings again and this time take notes on what he talked about regarding the sources of energies and just resonant circuits in general relating to his discoveries.
Hi Amigo,
Glad you did not take any offense, I am saying that because I had been getting so much flag for my comments which were always meant in good faith at first but if I do get a quirk I return one.
I think you are right in your assumption of not paying any attention to the capacitance ,I think its mere of mechanical nature
to allow for flexing. A loop like that and it depends on your belly circumference would likely be resonant in the VHF to UHF Full wave Range. I have an antenna Analyzer which could shed more light onto the exact frequency, although I think going into that Direction one is waisting its Time. Copper Bracelets of much smaller circumference work , as being claimed. Different size i.e. different frequency.
Cosmic energy , I am taking a long shot here is of a broadband spectrum like Light. Why it works or supposed to ? I don't know I think its everyones guess for the moment.
Professor
Hi Professor,
I would not take offense whatsoever, no matter what. After all these are only words, it is the meaning that we put to them that matters, and sometimes even that does not come across well over the Interweb, being the sterile media. :)
I somehow suspect that all this Cosmic Rays business somehow connects to Radiestesia and Dowsing, which Lakhovsky was "into". Of course there's not that much practical science explanation of Radiestesia available in the West. I am sure there are volumes written in the East (Soviet Union had institutes with real scientists researching the paranormal and alt. sciences) but nobody translates those books because over here think they have no value or something. I guess I should just learn Russian...
Everything we have today was sculptured back in the 1930's in the US and still affects the entire planet. Formation of the federal reserve private bank and thus the start of money leveraged politics churning out doctors that were taught only one extremely biased view on health. Introduction of Fluoride in water to dumb you down stop your brain working and a way of legally dumping toxic industrial waste straight into water supplies. Overturning emerging evidence that mercury was safe in fillings even though it was well known back then just how deadly mercury was and still is. Introduction of mercury laden vaccines from the 50's and still today. This included total control of alternative medicine and mainstream sponsored selling of only pharmaceutical drugs yet US CIA is the largest drug dealer in the world.
Control and obliterate existing real cancer research which already had 95% success rate back then where 1930's nobel prize found cancer was a very easy to cure anaerobic issue akin to rust but to cure it once you get it needs a bit more then B17. It works yes even Oasis of Hope stopped doing this decades ago its far too slow to combat existing conditions. To cure cancer requires a major life style changing approach including electro medicine, diet and other stuff but the outcome of conventional survival rates of surgery and chemo is only 3% and cost 100k in the US. In fact just to make sure you ONLY have a 3% survival rate if you have cancer surgery you MUST have chemo in the US there is no opt out.- its 97% good at killing you.
Suppression of free energy devices in favor of oil companies thus our vehicles even over the last 50 years still only do around 30 MPG. Progress has ground to a halt, all we have seen in recent decades is more TV channels, microwave ovens and cellphones. I don't know what we could have had in the last 90 years if it wasn't suppressed this planet would be so very different.
Last 30 years extreme control of media and brainwashing through 1000 channels of cable and satellite TV. Forged research including AIDS and statins of the 80's scams will just roll on forever so long as the money comes in . Not forgetting fairy stories about 9/11 and the reason for Gulf war conflicts and even the latest credit crunch all self inflicted. Basically its LIES LIES LIES LIES but lucky a few people are waking up and realizing they been duped.
When you realize the big picture its easy to see why launching free energy is often met with LETHAL consequences but don't make it any less real thats only what you been taught and brainwashed it don't exist. As i think Hitler said. Tell a lie for long enough and people believe it cos they are basically stupid sheep!
Quote from: amigo on October 30, 2008, 10:31:42 PM
Hi Professor,
I would not take offense whatsoever, no matter what. After all these are only words, it is the meaning that we put to them that matters, and sometimes even that does not come across well over the Interweb, being the sterile media. :)
I somehow suspect that all this Cosmic Rays business somehow connects to Radiestesia and Dowsing, which Lakhovsky was "into". Of course there's not that much practical science explanation of Radiestesia available in the West. I am sure there are volumes written in the East (Soviet Union had institutes with real scientists researching the paranormal and alt. sciences) but nobody translates those books because over here think they have no value or something. I guess I should just learn Russian...
Hi Amigo
Glad you brought that dowsing up, This can be done as you know with almost any material like wood or metallic (Cloth hangers) Materials.I could not do it on my own, but holding the Hand of a professional Dowser while both of us held the Y branch with our other hand, thus completing the circuit through his body, I could not control the bending of the Branch, as hard as I tried to resist it twisted and peeled the Bark right of the branch.
It must interact with the Human Body nerve (electrical )system. But not all of us are able to do dowsing and maybe that is the reason that the Coil does work for some and not for others,again a Wildcard.
Hitler and the Russians were heavily involved in fringes of science,and are ridiculed for political reasons.
To Bolt,
Welcome to all of us that have woken up long ago.
We have not seen anything yet. Thanks to the Internet we are able to communicate still freely but I think it is too late to make any changes and they know that. What is to come makes the Nazis look like Quireboys.
professor
Yesterdays nazi's are today's neo-cons.
Same club - just different members.
Hitler was an Illuminati stooge as was Sadam Hussein, and all the rest.
A 'boogie man' for all seasons...perpetual war=steady cash flow for war profiteers, like Cheney etal.
Methods of deployment...lies and deception disseminated through their media outlets, combined with neuro-toxic substances in vaccinations, water, and dental fillings.
And for those who aren't feeling it yet, and do not voice their opposition to murders committed in their name...the slaughterhouse is just up the road a piece.
Regards...
I have had no problems with the wires overlapping each other. I just can't electrically connect them.The insulated wires prevent that from happening even when I tie a loose knot with them.I would think that the added length of wire could increase the amount of power.What blows me away is that quite a bit of anti-matter (that powers these coils to a small degree) hits the earth each day.I have no way to even guess the tons(maybe)?Why are we not thinking of harvesting some of this too?Triffid
I have done some dowsing too.A college roommate introduced me to it.He made two rods from two coat hangers and let me walk across the room.
The wires always crossed at the same spots without fail.I later learned they crossed when I walked over iron.I later used it to find precious metals in a test.I had 100 % success in finding silver coins hidden in a living room of mine by a friend.I later learned that others found gold and silver outdoors but I still have never done it myself.Triffid
I just read a little more on cosmic rays.Some can go through 50 feet of lead.
Some have been observed changing one element into another.They come from space.(So that would include particles from the sun I guess).Triffid
There is a similar thread going on ATS.
Quote from the linked article that sparked discussion:
"Cancer Cured For Good
By Bill Sardi and Timothy Hubbell
October 2008
It works 100% of the time to eradicate cancer completely, and cancer does not recur even years later. That is how researchers describe the most convincing cancer cure ever announced.
The weekly injection of just 100 billionths of a gram of a harmless glyco-protein (a naturally-produced molecule with a sugar component and a protein component) activates the human immune system and cures cancer for good, according to human studies among breast cancer and colon cancer patients, producing complete remissions lasting 4 and 7 years respectively. This glyco-protein cure is totally without side effect but currently goes unused by cancer doctors."
Link:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread407828/pg1
Take care, everyone.
J.
I found a little more info on cosmic rays.The primary electrons coming in from interstellar space are traveling at 99.9999999% the speed of light and hitting the earth at that speed causing showers of secondary electrons that consist of postive (anti-matter) and negative electrons all the way down to the surface of the earth.So we get positrons all the way to the surface of the earth(even at sea level).If I remember correctly primary electrons only make up 1% of the total particles we get hit with.But these secondary electrons consist of half positive(antimatter) and negative electrons.Half of the secondaries hitting the earth are positrons(antimatter)..So if antimatter strikes the surface of the earth.It ceases to be when it comes in contact with normal matter.So why am I not seeing little bursts of light when this happens?Are the tiny bursts of light too quick for my eyes to see?
I know that a 60cycle/sec light bulb is off half the time but something called the" persistance of vision" creates for me the illusion that the bulb is lit all the time.Triffid
Also I guess particles from the sun would not be traveling at 99.999999% the speed of light but I'm not sure.Triffid
It seems I've run across some answers on cosmic rays.First of all Why I can't see them.So here goes:It is estimated that it would take 300,000,000 (three hundred million)of the shortest x-rays to make a line one inch long.But cosmic rays are still shorter.It is probable that cosmic rays are not more than 1/500 as long as the shortest x-rays.So it would take (500 times 300 million )cosmic rays to make a line one inch long.Triffid
Source-"Fundamentals of Electricity" By Dull and Idelson cc.1943.
page 349
I did some calculations last night and figured out that it would take about 8 hours to be hit by the number of cosmic rays to equal a line of one inch if a man two meters high is struck with 60,000 particles per minute.Maybe not a power source for much of anything but it is constant.Triffid
Quote from: z.monkey on October 02, 2008, 04:45:09 PM
Howdy Y'all,
WizardofMars in going to have a conniption fit. This document covers Dr. Royal Raymond Rife's microscope and how he cured cancer with it. The Rife Microscope is super fascinating by itself. Dr. Rife was a supergenius and don't let anyone tell you he was not...
That document is yet another collection of Internet 'facts'.
What's amazing is the author repeats stuff that is known to be wrong:
e.g. p.32 "someone fatally poisoned Dr. Millbank Johnson, president of the Southern California American Medical Association. He died hours before a press conference where he was to announce to the world that Rife's electronic therapy had cured every patient (16 out of 16) in that medical study supervised by the University of Southern California."
and on the very same page he quotes a source that has debunked the exact same story. His primary source of information is Internet websites that repeat the same urban legends about Rife.
It's no different to the Barry Lynes book - it's an echo chamber of people quoting the same faulty sources and coming to the same fault conclusion.
Note there is no mention of Rife's early days as a chaffeur to the wealthy Timken family, which is what started this whole scam.
He also fails to note that the Rife cell and virus photo's are almost certainly artists impressions, and modern electron microscopes have shown the artist to be completely wrong.
Quote from: wizardofmars on November 27, 2008, 02:08:35 PM
That document is yet another collection of Internet 'facts'.
What's amazing is the author repeats stuff that is known to be wrong:
e.g. p.32 "someone fatally poisoned Dr. Millbank Johnson, president of the Southern California American Medical Association. He died hours before a press conference where he was to announce to the world that Rife's electronic therapy had cured every patient (16 out of 16) in that medical study supervised by the University of Southern California."
and on the very same page he quotes a source that has debunked the exact same story. His primary source of information is Internet websites that repeat the same urban legends about Rife.
It's no different to the Barry Lynes book - it's an echo chamber of people quoting the same faulty sources and coming to the same fault conclusion.
Note there is no mention of Rife's early days as a chaffeur to the wealthy Timken family, which is what started this whole scam.
He also fails to note that the Rife cell and virus photo's are almost certainly artists impressions, and modern electron microscopes have shown the artist to be completely wrong.
Hey same old rhetoric! ...... same old jerk.
By now we all know your motive....Your picture and slogan is your tell tale . . go get stuffed!
professor
Quote from: professor on November 28, 2008, 06:00:53 PM
Hey same old rhetoric! ...... same old jerk.
By now we all know your motive....Your picture and slogan is your tell tale . . go get stuffed!
professor
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
It took you nearly one month to come up with such an answer?
Not much of an Answer for such long Period!
By the way I need no translation I had 4 Years of Latin 55 Years ago.
Have a merry christmas ....... Oh sorry you don't believe in Santa Claus,God or anything else for that matter, getting old I forgot....
professor
Quote from: wizardofmars on December 21, 2008, 06:17:02 PM
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
Havent read the whole topic, so I dont know if I'm repeating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBRMFBVzi0
Quote from: alan on December 22, 2008, 03:06:59 PM
Havent read the whole topic, so I dont know if I'm repeating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBRMFBVzi0
Hi Alan,
Have not seen this one before but its genuine and it is known that Vitamin C has Cancer fighting abilities
but here is another one even more impressive it was posted before here or somewhere else cant remember
Merry Christmas
professor
http://www.thenhf.com/articles/articles_792/articles_792.htm
This is also said to cure cancer.. :)
http://phoenixtears.ca/
Before saying negative comments, you should really watch the Run from the Cure video.. :)
Only the most beneficial and medicinal plant on the planet is all...it has been posted earlier in the thread, but bears mentioning again.
Regards...
Quote from: raisdfist on December 22, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
This is also said to cure cancer.. :)
http://phoenixtears.ca/
Before saying negative comments, you should really watch the Run from the Cure video.. :)
raisdfist
To who were you referring to?
I don't think I ever made any negative Comments on this matter its far too serious.
professor
Quote from: professor on December 22, 2008, 06:28:35 PM
raisdfist
To who were you referring to?
I don't think I ever made any negative Comments on this matter its far too serious.
professor
I was not referring to anyone in particular, just the fact that some people thinks its the devil just because its still not legal in most parts of america and canada
Quote from: raisdfist on December 22, 2008, 07:25:58 PM
I was not referring to anyone in particular, just the fact that some people thinks its the devil just because its still not legal in most parts of america and canada
Hmm....
If the Drug Companies and their
Owners that control by their self proclaimed designation the " Conventional Medicine" , at inflated prices disrgarding the health of those people that can not afford but need their medicine,
and at the same time denounce what they consider any other unconventional medicine that they can not profit from, I might want to agree with the People that see those responsible as being the
Devil..
Sorry .... Have a Merry Christmas
I think its pretty clear that the root of a lot of evil is the love of money and what people will do to get it including corporations.triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 23, 2008, 07:18:11 PM
I think its pretty clear that the root of a lot of evil is the love of money and what people will do to get it including corporations.triffid
..and the best way around it is to simply ignore them because they have invented rules and regulations and laws to keep themselves in power and control. :)
Here's a short book to read:
Georges Lakhovsky - Waves That Heal - http://www.mediafire.com/?jmzujvhgfgz
yeah well, Lakhovsky's "multi wave oscillator" is apparently so
difficult to build properly that even people who worked with
Lakhovsky had a lot of trouble building one that works right,
and that was when they had Lakhovsky (or his son) himself
there to test it and "feel" for the right "energy sensation"...
Or at least, that's what I was told by a man who spent over 5
years gathering detailed info and building several attempted
replications. Apparently very difficult to build a proper one.
And besides that, it would appear to be a specific implementation
of the general "radionics" idea, where several em oscillations
of specific frequencies are used to combat disease and ailments.
Not that radionics is necessarily bad or anything, I'm sure there
are indeed quite a few things that can if not actually be cured then
at least be opposed by specific frequencies. But I do think that
all the fuss about Lakhovsky or Rife or these other "prophets" of
radionics is a bit overdoing it. Yes sure they did pioneering work
in the field of radionics. Doesn't mean that only their specific
devices can work...
Personally, I prefer simple food items that can be used as natural
medication against our modern diseases like cancer.
Just for fun, I'll list a few again:
- Hemp oil
- Oregano oil
- Laetrile (peach kernel/almond extract containing low doses of cyanide compound)
- Sodium Chlorite (in water; the chlorite turns ClO2 which is poisonous, but in
small doses it has near zero effect on the human body while it does kill all blood
parasites and is reported to have cured malaria and cancer)
- Cabbages, Broccoli (especially when cut and left to sit for a while, releases
active compounds that have been proven to combat cancer)
Oh, and by the way, did you know that, for the following diseases
and ailments, there is a simple natural treatment (and prevention)?:
Aggressive Behavior, Alcoholism, Amytrophic Lateral Sclerosis, Arrhythmia,
Asthma, Attention Deficit Disorder, Cancer, Cerebral Palsy, Cerebrovascular
Chronic Fatigue, Cluster Headaches, Constipation, Diabetes, Fibromyalgia,
Fluoride Toxicity, Head Injuries, Heart-Related Conditions, HIV, Hypertension,
Kidney Stones, Magnesium Deficiency, Migraine, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis,
Pregnancy-related problems, Premenstrual Syndrome, Psychiatric Disorders,
Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sickle Cell Disease, Sports-related problems, Stress,
Toxic Shock.
... guess what this natural remedy is??
-> Magnesium supplementation. :)
Turns out we're all getting way too little Mg in our diets.
Quote from a report: "The US National Academy of Science's Food & Nutrition Board
has established that the average American 14 or older is magnesium-deficient.
The typical American diet does NOT provide the RDA of Mg for age 14 or older."
and from the same report:
"Magnesium-deficiency causes serotonin-deficiency with possible resultant aberrant behaviour,
including depression, suicide, or irrational violence."
So there you go, everyone with migraines, add, or anything on that list, just try
taking a double dose of Mg supplement for a month or two and see if that helps. :D
I did not say that MWO would be the only way, and you are absolutely right, there are many wonderful natural remedies that can aid in re-establishing the proper energetic balance of the body.
But I would not so easily discard the field of Radionics because that is just the name that has been given by the 20th Century researchers to an ancient art. Subtle energies are the essence of who we are and our understanding of their workings is imperative in keeping the balanced body and spirit.
To make a wild statement here, we are born equipped to deal with anything and everything, but it is social conditioning that changes one's belief system through dogmatic teaching and brainwashing. Even simply saying "You can't do this, that's impossible" is sufficient to young forming minds to alter their perceptions and make them susceptible to external influences or disbelieve their true powers.
You ever wonder why we need to learn to swim, again, when everyone spent months swimming in their mother's womb and never drowned? Surely you have seen babies swimming in the pool as if they were born fish, too.
Yet several years later you'd hear "Jimmy, stay away from the water!" screamed by "concerned" parents when they see Jimmy near the pool. After several of these screams, Jimmy now believes that water is bad and that something would happen to him if he fell in. Why else would all these people yell at him all the time about it and make him feel bad.
And so poor Jimmy now needs to re-learn to swim the "right" away, and also fear water as if it's something external to him. It is ludicrous to even contemplate that thought especially knowing that we are 90% water and that we spent months swimming in the womb, but it becomes Jimmy's reality (tunnel).
What I'm trying to say here is that we do not, or would not, need a MWO or oil of oregano to fight off dis-eases if we haven't been programmed from the moment we are cognitive to seek external help/aid every time we feel sick. "Go see a doctor", or take "this or that medication" or herb, or whatever. :)
Quote from: amigo on January 02, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
You ever wonder why we need to learn to swim, again, when everyone spent months swimming in their mother's womb and never drowned? Surely you have seen babies swimming in the pool as if they were born fish, too.
Yet several years later you'd hear "Jimmy, stay away from the water!" screamed by "concerned" parents when they see Jimmy near the pool. After several of these screams, Jimmy now believes that water is bad and that something would happen to him if he fell in. Why else would all these people yell at him all the time about it and make him feel bad.
And so poor Jimmy now needs to re-learn to swim the "right" away, and also fear water as if it's something external to him. It is ludicrous to even contemplate that thought especially knowing that we are 90% water and that we spent months swimming in the womb, but it becomes Jimmy's reality (tunnel).
You must have failed biology. Babies do not breathe for oxygen or 'swim' in the womb. They may practice breathing using the amniotic
fluid of the womb, but it is not doing them any good otherwise. All of the embryo and fetal needs are received through the placenta. Hence once you are outside the womb, it's a completely different situation.
Quote from: wizardofmars on January 03, 2009, 07:47:42 PM
You must have failed biology. Babies do not breathe for oxygen or 'swim' in the womb. They may practice breathing using the amniotic
fluid of the womb, but it is not doing them any good otherwise. All of the embryo and fetal needs are received through the placenta. Hence once you are outside the womb, it's a completely different situation.
Hehe, your narrow mindedness is amusing and funny, but I still love you for it because you are part of all there is... :)
Quote from: amigo on January 03, 2009, 11:08:50 PM
Hehe, your narrow mindedness is amusing and funny, but I still love you for it because you are part of all there is... :)
So post some proof of your claims if you are so 'open minded'.
Many here have posted a lot of material but in your "expert" opinion it was not sufficient "proof", so why should I dwell there again?
Did you even look into all the stuff people have talked about here, and I mean honestly looked into, using a scientific method before reaching a conclusion it's all bunk?
It appears to me no matter how much "proof" we provide it would never be enough. You seem to have made up your mind before hand...
Quote from: wizardofmars on January 04, 2009, 01:42:14 PM
So post some proof of your claims if you are so 'open minded'.
Same old rhetoric.same old jerk.
professor
There is no 100 percent cure for cancer to this date. Are there people that really believe that we have a cure but evil men and giant corporations are keeping it from the masses?
People need to remember that even as advanced as we have become in the field medicine, we still lack the cure for the common cold.
There are great new treatments for people who have cancer but there are also great new treatments for the common cold too. Still no cure for either.
W.O.
I've collected all kind of infos about cancer since the early seventies, and every single time someone came up with a new theory or approach to cure cancer, he/she has been ridiculed by the media and medical establishment. Sometimes I've seen scientists or researchers close to be proposed for a Nobel prize nomination, bite the dust in the matter of few weeks after they take an unpopular position, and they all end up on the infamous "quackwatch" website.
I have a video of an oncologists symposium where an Australian doctor gets a 20 minutes standing ovation from his colleagues after his speech, but, as of today, I still find him on "quackwatch" :
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/chachoua.html
Now, in light of what happened 9 years ago (see link below), my question is:
is this doctor still supposed to be referred as a "quack"?
http://www.explorepub.com/articles/sam_chachoua.html
The first thing everyone should remember is the saying:
"A patient cured is a customer lost"
When you realize what that means then you realize who's behind it and why everything useful to mankind is being suppressed...
Great thread! I not read it all but skimmed the surface and i can add this.
Beck Protocol really works because i have used it for almost 2 years with great success treating many health issues 100% cold and flu free. Well...until this winter where i lapsed most protocols and got lazy and never did them for a few weeks i got a bad flu just before Xmas. Back on the protocols i managed a full flu recovery in just 36 hours.
However despite being basically "sick" for years prior to Beck and i use to catching every cold flu and infection that passed my way the Beck protocol fixed everything.
However most people only try ONE aspect of the protocol when in fact you must use the blood zapper, mag pulser, ionic silver and ozone therapy. They all work in harmony and have a compounding cleansing effect on the body.
Blood zapper cleans the blood
mag pulser cleans glands and deep hiding places inside the body where bugs can be lurking
Ionic Silver is great stuff VERY powerful on its own use. I wont say all the good things its well documented but i will say this.
QuakeWatch Wiki FDA and many other government run sites are desperate to clamp down on this simple cheap readily available extremely powerful antibiotic anti microbial anti viral treatment. Its now believed to be many many millions people taking silver every day world wide but there are only 5 "blue smurfs" on the net under heavy government powered publicity campaigns. They went blue by drinking pints of silver salts not moderate doses of pure ionic silver. Versions of silver solutions have now been patented including tetra silver which has been peer reviewed to cure HIV AIDS and many other auto immune viral type diseases.
Silver is used in many water filter treatment plants and a few city drinking water plants in 3rd world countries.
HIV AIDS is under deep scrutiny by many many leading scientist. HIV theory is seriously flawed worse the 9/11 towers!! Its another subject but many good google videos to watch on HIV AIDS.
Ozone. What can i say this is another FDA hush operation. Extremely powerful very little can survive ozone which is practices daily for many decades including UK-(small private clinics) Germany Russia China India - many clinics are 100% Ozone centers in India. Cuba and many Latin countries. Again dead easy low risk known to have cured many thousands of cancer patients and MRSA C-diff AIDS hepatitis herpes etc. Many cities have drinking water cleaned with ozone.
Laetrile - Does work i researched this for many years though never tried it myself. However its no longer "first choice" treatment for Alt Cancer treatment its far too slow to build up immunity and target cancer. By the time you find out you have cancer its probably quite well progressed and time is not on your side. The cyanide rumor was put out in the 1970's as too many people were eating the pips and staying well!! The cyanide is in an inert locked form which only targets cancer cells. Mexico clinics now stopped this as a "treatment" but still prescribe it for good health/remission.
Bottom line is this there are many treatments but the most important is high quality real foods. You can not live on cheese burgers and coke and expect anything above to work properly. Greens and fruits etc vital need vitamins and other well know supplements. Vitamins are now being controlled its hard to buy hi dosage stuff that is high enough to work. Detox Vit C requires 2000+ mg per day not 20mg from local stores and everyone should go on a planned detox program.
The world is going down the crapper dont expect your doctor to save you. Depleted Uranium is 4 times global safe limits due to recent Gulf Wars. Thyroid problems and immune failure is a pandemic problem now with Cancer seen in children never seen before on such a scale. If you dont know how to look after yourself and your family you will DIE very soon.
Chemtrails is NOT a UFO conspiracy theory. Its a proven FACT documented on NASA site and WHO go read it. Planes are NATO planes with normal commercial aircraft using modified fuels since 1999. This is adding to the global soup of chemical and biological crap and has already reduced earth temperature in last 10 years.
Fluoride a neuro poisoning is real and some countries are now banning it slowly but surely. Used in Nazi concentration camps to make you dumb.
Mercury same shit.
Vaccines - hundreds dies thousands injured. Most countries have tax payers alloted funds for damages and laws to let pharma walk free. DONT get a flu jab!
Aspartame sweetener in Diet Cokes etc Deadly neuro toxin. Hundreds die thousands injured and its covered up big SCAM.
Do yourselves a favor and start learning and finding the facts. Do NOT look at government sites for peer review references. Same as we are here most of us know how free energy has been suppressed but the medical scams are worse then most ever imagine.
Best of Health!
Quote from: alexpio on January 07, 2009, 07:34:09 PM
Sometimes I've seen scientists or researchers close to be proposed for a Nobel prize nomination, bite the dust in the matter of few weeks after they take an unpopular position, and they all end up on the infamous "quackwatch" website.
Post an example.
One of the most important whistle blowers is Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley.
He was nominated Nobel Prize for Cancer research but in 1987 questioned HIV AIDS and said AZT killed more people then AIDS itself. Shortly after he lost all his funding and blacklisted.
I bet you will find him on the government sponsored qauckwatch site somewhere i not checked since he has fallen out of the $multi million AIDS cartel.
If you research this its not an isolated incident there are at least 100 other top scientist and professors that have been blacklisted for going against the mainstream Cancer and AIDS cartels.
Same thing as global warming. The scientists that now stand up and say global warming don't exist except for scare mongering have also lost all their funding. The idea that carbon is a green house gas is both pathetic and clever since everyone can be blamed for simply living and breathing as carbon is part of life. Carbon Tax as a result is a new global super tax which affects not only individuals but corporates can trade their carbon allocation on the stock markets!!
Quote from: bolt on January 11, 2009, 02:03:30 AM
He was nominated Nobel Prize for Cancer research...
From http://nobelprize.org/contact/faq/index.html
Has X been nominated as a candidate for the Nobel Prize, or where do I find a list of Nobel Prize nominees?
According to the Statutes of the Nobel Foundation, information about the nominations is not to be disclosed, publicly or privately, for a period of fifty years.Any other spurious claims?
Quote from: amigo on December 26, 2008, 11:36:51 PM
Here's a short book to read:
Georges Lakhovsky - Waves That Heal - http://www.mediafire.com/?jmzujvhgfgz
Lakhovsky was a genius. Tesla helped Lakhovsky to develop the MWO.
The author of the book you have posted is Mark Clement. Lakhovsky wrote about 20 books explaining the principles of the MWO and the Radiobiology.
Rife was other genius too, but my favorite one is Lakhovsky.
With his technology, maybe inmortality could be achieved. He used the MWO to revitalize the body cells.
His theory is simple but absolutly effective. Each cell is like a oscillant circuit, and each cell is a RadioFrequency Transmitter and Receiver, they have capacitance, resistance, and inductance.
Disseases are cells working at different frequencies. If anyone measure the frequency of healthy cells and damage cells, they will see damage cells have a different resonance frequency. Dissease is a battle of radiations: the body radiations (mytogenic radiations) and the pathogen radiations.
This theory is almost identical to the theory of radionics of George De La Warr. De La Warr proved that all thing emit a radiation that can be filmed. The photos are like X-Ray radiographies. He was able to take photos at a distance and take photos of thoughts. Ted Serios was an example of thought-photography, but De La Warr used a special camera called 'Mark'.
The famous burning water of John Kanzius is based on the Lakhovsky's MWO.
The last picture is an Original MWO from the 1920s that a french guy have. Anyone can find replications in the net, but the MWO is very hard to replicate. The replications don't work as well as the original one.
Magnethos,
yeah, it is unfortunate that MWO is so difficult to replicate because there is no definitive information about it. Lakhovsky's son took the knowledge to grave, just like his father did. Pretty selfish imho...but there's always more than one way to "skin the cat", just requires persistence.
Knowing that Lakhovsky was a dowser himself and that no two MWOs were identical, we could assume that Radionics plays some important part of the whole picture. The two areas that need to be nailed down are the driver circuit and the actual antennas.
If Tesla was involved, as some people allude to, then we can be sure that vast amount of knowledge had been poured into perfecting the oscillators and resonance. And with Tesla having done therapeutic circuits decades before, this would've been an "easy" implementation for him.
The antennas are a mystery since some people have suggested that the rings might have been filled with some inert gas, or combination there of. Geometry as well as material used to construct the rings is also not clear, some suggesting copper, stainless steel (or aluminium?) and brass.
I think the problem is two fold. First how to replicate something with insufficient data, and second how to qualify that it works as designed. Whether we need to measure something quantitatively, or apply Radionics and qualitatively discern is another puzzle.
So many questions, very little answers...
Amigo,
That's right. There are 2 problems: insufficient data and the problem about how we can know if the machine is working right. If anyone search for Lakhovsky's books they only will find 1 or 2.
The Secret of Life and other one that has a similar title... (The miracle of life?)
I spent a lot of time searching for Lakhovsky's books and I found around 20 titles. The problem is the books are very expensive because they are original books from the 1920s and 1930s and we can't buy some books because they are almost impossible to find. The good new is some days ago I found a collection of the Lakhovsky's books that a editor has re-printed, but they are in other language and it only has re-printed maybe... 10 or 12 as much.
I met a french guy in the net some time ago and he has an original MWO from his grandfather, you can see the picture (the last one) of the original MWO. I know there is other in Holland. As you can see, there are 2 different metals, one seems to be copper and the other one aluminum, but I'm not sure. This can't be seen in the original pictures because the original pictures were black and white. The french guy I met, is writting a book about the MWO, he is measuring the MWO and getting all the info he can from it and writting a book about all the secrets of this machine.
There is a big problem that everyone don't know... the first one is the thing we call Tesla Coil is not a Tesla Coil. The coil we know as Tesla is an invention of Sir Olivier Lodge. So, our tesla coil is really a Lodge Coil. The original Tesla coil amplified the energy and someone with bad intentions, re-wrote the history and the original tesla coil was 'suppresed'. This info is from an american engineer I met. I say this because I think one part of the MWO is a tesla coil, (right?)
The Lakhovsky's MWO is a machine with one emitter and one receiver, that emits a high amount of different wavelenghts, maintaining his frequency and amplifying the amplitude of the waves and creating the highest number of harmonics. The secret is how to build the machine to obtain that effect.
About antennas... I have to say that I read Lakhovsky used alloys in his inventions, and maybe he also used alloys in the MWO. You can see the original MWO picture I have posted and see that the second metal is strange... aluminum? brass? alloy? The machine is easy, but there is a lot of little 'secrets' that are the responsibles of get an awesome result of get no result.
There are a lot of other authors involved in these kind of experiments, Kaznacheev, Rife, Alexander G., Hyeronimus, and mores.... I have read De La Warr's books and Warr's theory is awesome too. He also discovered as Lakhovsky, that all living things can emite and receive radiations in form of light and sound.
Remember that is true, because we're emitting Infra-Red radiations, and other ones... the problem is how to see these kind of radiations. Warr's invented a system that can photograph that radiations. The KEY he used is to decompose the waves into dials. So, if an organ or a virus resonates at a specific frequency, De La Warr's measured that frequency in DIALS instead in Hertz/Seconds. In example, the Tuberculosis is measured 3.6.9. These numbers are the dials that represent the wave. So, if we want to cure the Tuberculosis we need to apply the Anti-Wave. Anti-Wave formula is:
Maximum Value of the Dial - Resonance Dial, in this case is 10 - 3 = 7
and go on...
So, the critic point here is Warr's measured the resonance in dials instead of hertz.
De La Warr also invented a system to see that resonance in pictures instead of sounds. He invented the Mark (I, II, III, IV... up to VII) camera to take photographs of the dissease radiation. The results were like X-Ray radiographies, where De La Warr saw the dissease's radiations, like a X-Ray photo. But instead taking pictures of the bones he took pictures of the radiations/resonance.
Thomas Galen Hyeronimus discovered an energy called Eloptic Energy that can be explained like radiations of living things. And that energy could be sended in special wires and prisms.
Picture: De La Warr's radiation photo and Kirlian photo. I have more examples in the books, but I haven't a scanner. lol
I remember that Kirlian photography is related with this phenomenon too. I also remember that I have an Italian book from the 1940s that describes what is matter and what is radiation. I remember that matter is a nodulation of the space of something similar and the book explains about atomic world of Neutrinos, Electrinos, Positrinos, and the memory particle: the Magnetrino.
That book was used in the vatican to build the chronovisor (time-camera). De La Warr also invented a system to take photos of past events, thoughts, etc...
Magnethos,
I know what you mean about those other books from Lakhovsky, I have known about them for a while but never pursued the direction because I could not read French. :(
If that person from France you know really has an original MWO then it would be critical to examine the metals of the antennas through some metallurgical analysis or what not to determine exact content.
Also, as I noted in my previous post, some people have speculated that the tubes might have been filled with noble/inert gas(es).
I don't know about this suppression of the original Tesla Coil?! Wouldn't that imply that the related patents, lectures and articles had also been rewritten?
Otherwise you are right, a wide-band oscillator is needed to drive the MWO antennas and produce all those harmonics they are talking about.
I just wish we could "see" what happens when MWO is applied to the body, both inside the body and inside the MWO. Could you get more detailed photos from that owner of that original MWO, both inside and outside (or is he hoping to cash on his book and possession like many before him)?
I have not touched on De La Warr yet, that's a whole new section to explore but it does sound as if him and all the others are really talking about one and the same thing, just using different terminology. The Hyeronimus discovery of Eloptic Energy to me sounds much like the Odic energy/force from Reichenbach which just sort of reinforces my belief about one and the same thing. :)
As far as humans emitting radiations, someone postulated that human aura was in the ultraviolet spectrum, I believe Dr. Walter J. Kilner back in the early 1900s. He used specially coated glasses with some cyanine dye that allowed them to view human aura. He wrote a book called The Human Atmosphere (I'm yet to read it) about their experiments which appear to be well documented in it.
You are welcome to get the book, I have it uploaded to mediafire.com along with some other books:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1dbcc844ea83c1e991b20cc0d07ba4d2afd5001c02cdd8c8
Perhaps we could collaborate more closely since it seems to me you are very interested in this topic/field and it is also one of my primary areas of research/interest (alternative healing) as well?
Amigo,
I can read french, but I haven't enought money to buy them.
I know there is an Italian re-printed version of all those books. I can't speak italian but I understand 80% because is similar to spanish/french and catalan (spanish language). The books are cheaper than the original ones. When I have more money I will buy some of them.
The guy I met on the net, has an original MWO. If we look at the pictures I posted, the photo from the original MWO and the photo of his MWO are identical. I know that guy and one of his friends are writting a book about all the secret of the mwo. But the book isn't finished yet. I asked for more pictures and the guy said to me that he will send me more information when the book is finished.
An engineer said me that about the original tesla coil. He said to me that he studied the patents and researched about the coils and the coil we know as the tesla coil is a olivier coil. The original tesla is an energy amplifier. But we need to research about that.
When a person is using the mwo, I know he feels like... some kind of energy in the body. I read it somewhere.
I have all the books from De La Warr. The books are from 1950s. But... you're right. Delawarr and Lakhovsky and other ones are talking about the same thing, in different terminology. I remember that I have heard about odic energy, but I don't know about it. But I have just read something about that Odic Force, and I see is a mixed theory of De La Warr and Hyeronimus. I think Reichenbach used also a camera to take photos of that radiation (?) as De La Warr and he also explains about the vital force of living things as Hyeronimus or Lakhovsky.
The common point I'm seeing in all these theories is the authors measured the radiations and energy in a special way. Remember that Delawarr meauser the resonance in DIALS instead in hertz. There is other scientist called Gaston Naessens that use only the Magnetic part of an electromagnetic wave. I also know there are energy weapons that use Scalar waves. So, it seems that we should measure the energy in 2 parts: the scalar (electro) and the magnetic field (magnetic). And meause them in special ways.
About the Aura an the UV spectrum, I have read a lot of times about the importance of UV frequencies. Vlail Kaznacheev and Alexander Gavrilovich Gurwitsch showed that all living cells communicate between them using low power UV photons and anyoone can induce a dissease using the UV rays and the dissease pattern.
Wilhem Reich was the inventor of Orgonics. Orgone energy I think it's like a chi accumulator.
I'm seeing your files, and there are some authors that I don't know. I know around 15 scientists, but I'm sure there are more.
Okey, we can collaborate together in this area since I don't know enough about free energy, but I have studied advanced nutrition, chemistry, pharmacy and I know about electro-health.
But the key is to read books from 1850s to 1950s. Common books don't explain that kind of theories. The high quality stuff is in the old school books. Orthodox science of nowadays have forgotten the keys of quality science.
The books you've posted are very good, I have also a very very good one but it's in Italian. That book is called 'Matter and Radiation' of Cesare Colangeli. An unknow genius. I know there is almost impossible to find that book. And the author shows what is matter, and what is radiation, using his own Neutrinic Theory. He also explains new concepts of Radio-Chemistry and very awesome theories. He employed theories from Enrico Fermi (Nobel Laureate) and more brilliant scientists.
If you read the index of the Book of Otto Rahn, there is a chapter called 'The Wave theory of Radiant Energy'. It seems to be very interesting. I remember that in other Old books I have read about other fields, I read also a radiant energy transformer stuff. The book was about Transcommunication (communication with the other side).
Picture: Common stetic surgery and Lakhovsky treatment...
Common stetic surgery (is the correct word in english?) uses pulsed light to rejuvenate cells. Lakhovsky also used radiations to rejuvenate cells... interesting...
Wow! I have read a little about Otto Rahn book you have posted and... it's awesome! it has a deep theory of other theories I have read.
I have researched a little about Tesla and Olivier Lodge, and that guy that said to me that our Tesla Coil is not the original Tesla coil... the theory seems to be true. I'm comparing different sources of information and all is correct. Our Tesla Coil is a Lodge coil. So, there is a very big mistake because the true Tesla coil used pure voltage waves and no magneto-electric waves. I have seen in youtube some videos of NRGfromthevacuum and other users, and they can charge a capacitor with pure voltage and 0 current. Tom Bearden also explains that theory using 'The Relaxation Time in Conductors' theory. Everyone is talking about the same, in different words.
Tesla, discovered all that things using ancient knowledge. I know the Bible, the Vedas or the Qu'ran have awesome theories about electricity and the creation of the cosmos. Some holy writtings talked about the Negentropy process. And we know now energy is a Negentropy (chaos to order) process.
They talked about this thousand years ago.
I posted about if electricity was light and the elemental particle were photons instead of electrons. The Bible talks about all universe is light and now I really know a component of electricity is light and I'm sure the other component is light too.
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Tesla Transformers are not magnetoelectric devices, they use radiant shockwaves, and produce pure voltage without current. No university High Frequency Coil must ever be called a "Tesla Coil", since the devices usually employed in demonstration halls are the direct result of apparatus perfected by Sir Oliver Lodge and not by Nikola Tesla. The Tesla Transformer is an impulse apparatus, and cannot be as easily constructed except by strict conformity with parameters which Tesla enunciated. Tesla Transformers produce extraordinary white impulse discharges of extreme length and pressure, which exceed the alternating violet spark displays of Lodge Coils. This is illustrated by noting the manner in which Tesla Transformers are actually constructed. While looking and seeming the same, each system actually performs very different functions. Lodge Coils are alternators. Tesla Transformers are unidirecdonal impulses.
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Source: http://padrak.com/ine/SOCWT.html
Hi Magnethos,
About these old books...that's exactly what I think, too. I keep telling people to look for the old materials before 1940s and well into early 1900s and 1890s because there's a treasure of information there. Just because they did not have computers and semiconductors does not mean they did not know about things. :)
Sadly, there's only so much time during the day I can devote to my pursues (have to work for 8-9 hours to pay bills, uggh) and there are many books I have that I did not even open (both paper and ebooks).
Baron Karl Von Reichenbach was a true scientist, lived in 19th century. Was an expert chemist among other things. He did not have cameras, he used "sensitivies", people who today are called "psychics", who can see auras and energy fields. These "sensitives" could see Od energies, could see fields around permanent magnets, crystals, etc. Reichenbach eventually developed this ability to some extent as well proving that anyone can see these once they become susceptible and open those influences.
Here's a text to read about Reichbenbach and discovery of Odic forces: http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/odenergy.htm
There's definitely something about UV rays and their importance with bodily functions/processes. We really need a way to detect bodily processes and monitor them on a cellular or beyond cellular level. I know that through Radionics that could be accomplished but it requires a lot of training and practice. We need a more immediate method not requiring extensive preparations.
More you talk about this Tesla (Olivier) Coil more I'm interested in the whole mystery. It is just hard to swallow that so much paperwork could be changed to cover up something so monumental. I feel that it's lack of understanding of what Tesla did and wrong way of replicating his findings that led us to the place we are now (fancy discharge coils that produces bang and sparks for the awe of the audiences).
The photo you posted, regarding aesthetic surgery or procedure using pulsed LEDs, I have read a paper recently about it (I have a paper saved ...somewhere). They talk about restoring water levels thus rejuvenating the cells (after all human beings are 90% water).
By the way you mentioned Cesare Colangeli, I have not heard of him before. But then again this language barrier is a terrible obstacle because there must be some awesome books in French, Italian and Spanish from 50-100 years ago that I do not have access to simply because I do not know about them.
Speaking of Italian, have you heard of Pier Luigi Ighina, he seems to have been onto something as well: http://www.svpvril.com/ighina/magatom.html
Lastly, that quote you posted about Tesla, it's from Gerry Vassilatos's book Secrets of Cold War Technology, I have that book (in paper form) and it is excellent. I think Gerry Vassilatos is dead on about many things. It appears he had done tremendous amount of research, both through patents and other books in writing his books.
I bought the whole package from Borderland Sciences last year and it came with the Lost Science book as well as some other papers from Eric Dollard, which I find intriguing as well.
I'll send you a PM with my email address, etc...
Amigo,
Tesla was a genius as we know. But he was really a genius because he researched in ancient books. Yesterday I read a letter from 1902 that Walter Russell (another genius) sent to Tesla. In the letter you can read that Tesla said to Russell about some interesting books, and that books were holy writtings and some interesting titles too. So, Tesla also learned from ancient technologies.
The technology we're discussing sometimes is claimed as quackery, but we can see a lot of examples nowadays: UV light sterilizer, electroencephalograms, electrocardiograms, radiotherapy, magnetic resonance... all this is related with electricity and biology. But the pharma companies don't want to know you about this. I know in the 1920s and 1930s some people was treated with electro-medicine. I met a man who was treated with a device called 'The Short Wave Device' and he explained me a little about the treatment and the device. It was a metallic plate who the doctor put near his nose and the plate irradiated heat, but he also told me that it was dangerous if he received more than 5 or 10 minutes that radiation.
Baron Karl von Reichenbach and Lakhovsky were awarded by Hitler by them discoveries. But Lakhovsky was pursued and he escaped to New York, because he was in France. De La Warr also needed sensitive people to use the radionic instruments. And that is true, anyone can be enought sensitive if the mind is openend to those kind of influences. But anyone has to learn how to see that things.
Yeah, I'm researching about the importance of UV rays because there is a lot of stuff about it in different fields. Kaznacheyev shows that cells communicates between them using UV photons, I also read that one russian man that build a chronovisor also used UV rays and in transcommunication I have also read the importance of UV rays. So, there is an important point around UV rays. I think nature uses UV rays to carry information (in biology, in communications....). UV rays have some special property to send information. Vlail Kaznacheyev and Alexander Gavrilovich Gurwitsch have researched about this phenomenon. But they don't use radionics. They use Bio-photons and biology to explain that. Look for the Cytopathogenic Effect.
About Tesla and Olivier, the guy that I met told me that. But yesterday I found a book where anyone can read more about this. The book is called 'Secrets of Cold War Technology: Project HAARP and beyond' where anyone can see that the original Tesla coil was different to the Tesla coil we know. Tesla used an unidirectional impulse of pure voltage and the sparks were white and not blue or violet as we know. I know NRGfromthevacuum from youtube have read about Tesla technology and he also shows in some videos green sparkgaps, a Tesla coil using pure voltage (but I don't know if that is the original one) and he also talks about unidirectional impulses. The true Tesla coil was an energy amplifier and it was very difficult to build because there are some mathematical parameters that you have to know and we need to configure the coil to get the desired effect. I know that anyone can find the true Tesla coil.... ok, in old books from 1900. In the second picture you have a possible original Tesla coils.
I don't know how aesthetic surgery works, but I also read somewhere that the water of our cells is very important. There is also a big science about the water and his special properties. Rene Quinton, Masaru Emoto, Ayham Doyuk, John Grander and other ones explains in different terminologies that water has memory, conscience, order and other properties. Rene Quinton invented a way to obtain a special plasma that he called The Quinton Hypertonic. He also cured some disseases inyecting this special plasma from sea water and he cured a lot of disseases. I also remember that Lakhovsky said something about the intracell water or plasma. Masaru Emoto shows how the water can respond to certain frequencies, and when he freezes the water and put classical music to the water, the crystals are beautifull. But when he plays heavy music the water crystals are ugly. So, he proves that water can respond to different frequencies/music. Ayham Doyuk is a turkish scientist that he formulates special water to transform toxic waste (like petroleum) to organic nutrients. I don't know how he accomplish that. John Grander and others talk about the Vitalized, Structured water (it has more names). The water molecules need to be broken into little clusters to make a water really hydratable. The water we drink has very big clusters, and our bodies are not hydrous (sorry for my english). Anyone can break that clusters using different techniques. Creating a vortex, like a tornado or using energies like Scalar waves, can break the clusters into little ones.
There is a machine called the MRET Water, that used scalar waves. That magnetic pulses take place in nature, because in the affluents the river produces that magnetic pulses. Maybe aesthetic surgery re-order the water and the rejuvenation is possible. Look at the Homeopathy, that sometimes proves that water has memory. There is an analogue created by Hulda Clark, called Homeography (electric homeopathy).
Jacques Benveniste also shows something related with frequencies and water.
No problem about the language. If I find a very very interesting book maybe I can translate it or write a resume. The book of Cesare Colangeli have around... 50 or 70 pages. Is not big. But Italians have very very good stuff about different fields. Frenchs also have some interesting stuff.
Pier Luigi Ighina? Mmmm... I don't know it. But I'm reading your link and it seems that he is speaking about the atoms and his secret worlds. There is also another brilliant scientist called Luigi Borello that invented a machine to see and hear past events from stones. He wrote 2 books and I have them, but I haven't read. There is also other scientist that wrote an interesting book called 'The Magnetic Barrier'. Italians have researched a lot about the true world of the atom and energies. Mmm....
Yes, that quote is from that book. I have heard about Eric Dollar but I don't know a lot about it.
I'm going to work right now. Saturday... and I have to work 8 hours urgggh!!!!
This is a very interesting thread, only read the last page which is already packed with information.
I wanted to add the following...I read that Tesla sometimes worked 150 hours without food or drink. Now we know Tesla treated himself almost on a daily basis with an apparatus he invented for therapy. If he could indeed get the energy in pure form into his body instead of through the biological process then one can conclude he would indeed barely need any food or drink. From what I read so far about Tesla I believe he never got sick since the time he almost died of a disease one night when he was a young boy.
@broli
I didn't know that about Tesla. I know Tesla invented some therapeutic apparatus, but now I know that about 150 hours. :o
I know there are people that don't eat since 1993. I think they are called pranatics or something similar. The body can 'build' substances like water, vitamins, minerals, etc... We don't need to eat. But I know there is a process if you want to live from the ambient energy. It's not easy.
I read somewhere the body can build and transmutate substances using the Tachyonic energy. Maybe Tesla discovered that secret.
This is another suppresed information. and I know there are scientific evidences about this.
There is a 21 day process when you need to drink special drinks. Then, you body starts to show some symptoms that you have been creating in your metabolism in all your life. After the process anyone can live without food.
I studied advanced nutrition and I read 50 to 60 books, and I have to say that I developed some new theories, but I didn't found a final answer. Maybe the prana is the final answer to this.
I have also heard about a Rejuvenation Light that ancient people used to rejuvenate themselves. Lakhovsky showed that cell rejuvenation is possible if we recharge them at the correct frequency. The aging process can be stopped. I have read that there were some scientifics that born, but people don't know when they died. The legend tells us that they are still alive... I remember also about a special ancient bracelet used to maintain the body energy. The history is full of examples, but we're able to read some ones like Lakhovsky.
Living On Prana
NOT NEEDING TO EAT TO LIVE
http://www.inlightimes.com/archives/2002/10/living-on-prana.htm
Quote from: Magnethos on January 23, 2009, 06:56:23 PM
I know there are people that don't eat since 1993. I think they are called pranatics or something similar. The body can 'build' substances like water, vitamins, minerals, etc... We don't need to eat. But I know there is a process if you want to live from the ambient energy. It's not easy.
....
Living On Prana
NOT NEEDING TO EAT TO LIVE
http://www.inlightimes.com/archives/2002/10/living-on-prana.htm
You are a one man pseudoscience machine! I can barely keep up.
Please post one credible study showing any of these so-called breatharians don't eat. Wiley Brooks is the most famous - and he's been caught in McDonalds and 7-11 several times. He recommends the double quarter pounder with cheese meal and the Diet Coke (including its plastic cup) is the "Liquid light".
Jasmuheen aka Ellen Greve is the 'guru' whose promoter is quoted on that inlightimes.com site you linked to. She appeared on 60 Minutes in 1999 to demonstrate her abilities and flunked out after three days when she became seriously ill - see http://www.rickross.com/reference/breat/breat13.html
At least three of her followers are known to have starved to death - see http://www.rickross.com/reference/breat/breat08.html
Greve's husband is a former conman sentenced to seven years in prison for ripping off pension funds. Obviously he found a better scam this time around with Greve.
For more background on this nonsense, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia
Quote from: Magnethos on January 15, 2009, 05:23:21 AM
Picture: De La Warr's radiation photo and Kirlian photo. I have more examples in the books, but I haven't a scanner. lol
I remember that Kirlian photography is related with this phenomenon too. I also remember that I have an Italian book from the 1940s that describes what is matter and what is radiation. I remember that matter is a nodulation of the space of something similar and the book explains about atomic world of Neutrinos, Electrinos, Positrinos, and the memory particle: the Magnetrino.
That book was used in the vatican to build the chronovisor (time-camera). De La Warr also invented a system to take photos of past events, thoughts, etc...
The Chronovisor time machine was a rather pathetic 1970's era hoax by a Vatican exorcist. Father Ernetti faked the photo's - at least one of them is simply a mirror image of an existing work of art. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronovisor for the full story.Ernetti allegedly confessed the fraud on his deathbed in 1994. Father Ernetti's Chronovisor : The Creation and Disappearance of the World's First Time Machine by Peter Krassa is an OK summary of the hoax (although personally it's one of my favorite hoaxes and is dying for a good documentary).
Kirlian photography relies on the corona effect and involves no supernatural or pseudo scientific concepts. The so-called aura photographs of leafs and the like have never been reproduced in controlled experiments and are likely a function of contamination on the glass plates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
You're still here, trolling? Geez...
I don't know much about Chronovisor, but Kirlian photography method has been endorsed by the former USSR government for many decades. Matter a fact, USSR was far more progressive in this, and other "bunk" fields, than any Western government. It is the close-minded Western mentality that's probably preventing you from seeking factual information. Commies can't be trusted, right? :)
And quoting wikipedia as a reliable or factual source for anything is no better than using any other link on the interweb. You are just perpetuating the consensus of the majority which not necessarily makes anything true.
When you experimentally do half the things you are trying to debunk here and prove them wrong, report to the world about your findings...otherwise..."zip it."
Lol, now that's what I call a disinfo agent. Nice job on using wikipedia to prove your ignorance. You don't have to reply to this unless you think you have something constructive to say, which we both doubt.
Quote from: amigo on January 26, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
You're still here, trolling? Geez...
I don't know much about Chronovisor, but Kirlian photography method has been endorsed by the former USSR government for many decades. Matter a fact, USSR was far more progressive in this, and other "bunk" fields, than any Western government. It is the close-minded Western mentality that's probably preventing you from seeking factual information. Commies can't be trusted, right? :)
And quoting wikipedia as a reliable or factual source for anything is no better than using any other link on the interweb. You are just perpetuating the consensus of the majority which not necessarily makes anything true.
When you experimentally do half the things you are trying to debunk here and prove them wrong, report to the world about your findings...otherwise..."zip it."
@Wizard of ars
At least you unzipped your dumb Face from your profile, which is a step into the right direction.
Getting you to accept anything, is another issue, we will never win.
professor
We've been bamboozled...all this time he was really the wizzard of wiki. :-[
The shame...how could we have been so blind ?!!
Regards...
How did W put it?
"Fool me once.....shame on....shame on you."
"Fool me twice....won't get fooled again."
ROFL
Quote from: Magnethos on January 14, 2009, 04:42:43 PM
The last picture is an Original MWO from the 1920s that a french guy have. Anyone can find replications in the net, but the MWO is very hard to replicate. The replications don't work as well as the original one.
Nice pictures of the Multiple Wave Oscillator, where did you find them?
I have another source that verifies the electromagnetic origin of disease. The Alchemical Manual states that disease can be created or destroyed using electromagnetic signals. The "doctors" can just as easily give you disease as they can take it away. They inferred that dark forces have been using this to generate money within the medical field. They setup a field generator in a public place to "infect" people. Then you go to the doctors office to get the "cure", which would be a covert electromagnetic field and an expensive bottle of placebos. What a racket...
Quote from: bolt on January 08, 2009, 01:00:59 AM
Great thread! I not read it all but skimmed the surface and i can add this.
That is an excellent cornucopia of alternative technologies there Bolt.
Add this one to you list... Sodium Chlorite (MMS)...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item196
MMS is a general purpose anti-pathogen. It kills viruses, bacteria, fungi, cancer cells, and all them other buggers that make people sick. Clinical trials were performed in Africa with Malaria and AIDS patients with excellent results. I have been using this for several months and I feel great. This stuff works better than Oil of Oregano. The reason for this is the size of the molecule. Oil of Oregano is a very complex, large molecule which doesn't pass through the cell walls easily. The MMS, when used with vitalized (micro) water, passes easily through cell walls, purifying all the individual cells. When all your cells are happy you feel vibrant and well.
OK, Mo Later...
Edit... I have noticed reading through this thread that most alternative cures are either electromagnetic or food. Both of these methods affect frequencies. The electromagnetic remedies are obvious frequencies. But the foods also each have their own frequencies, which is understood very well in Chinese Medicine (They are thousands of years ahead of western medicine)...
Quote from: z.monkey on January 28, 2009, 06:45:14 AM
Nice pictures of the Multiple Wave Oscillator, where did you find them?
I have another source that verifies the electromagnetic origin of disease. The Alchemical Manual states that disease can be created or destroyed using electromagnetic signals. The "doctors" can just as easily give you disease as they can take it away. They inferred that dark forces have been using this to generate money within the medical field. They setup a field generator in a public place to "infect" people. Then you go to the doctors office to get the "cure", which would be a covert electromagnetic field and an expensive bottle of placebos. What a racket...
Yes, you're right. Any disease can be induced in any person, that process can be replicated at a distance.
Please, tell me more about the alchemical manual.
Howdy Magnethos,
It is easily the most profound treatise that I have ever read. Here's a link to that thread...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6408.0;topicseen
Have fun with that...
I was editting the last post, but I will type it here.
The picture of the mwo is from a guy I meet in ebay. A french guy that has an original mwo in a friend's house.
Yes, you're right. Any disease can be induced in any person, that process can be replicated at a distance. There is a lot of information proving that cells communicate between them, electromagnetically in the UV spectrum. Each cell is like a resonant circuit and can emit and receive frequencies, that affect the cells.
There is an important hoax in medicine that tells, we get sick because viruses, bacterias, etc.. get inside our bodies. But almost always, we get toxins, and our bodies turns healthy cells into viruses to destroy that toxic substances. I read a paper that demonstrated that we can find toxic substances in the body of any sick person. So, the origin of the diseases is the accumulation of toxic waste inside our bodies. That waste has a resonant frequency that can affect the body natural frequency and can be detected by special instruments like the Syncrometer.
Disease is a radiation war inside the body. There are 3 radiation stages:
Mitogenic Radiation (body radiation) is bigger than toxic radiation = Healthy people
Mitogenic Radiation is a few less than toxic radiation = Bacterium infection
Mitogenic Radiation is very little than toxic radiation = Virus disease
I have also a spanish book explaining some unified theory about the forces of the body.
Quote from: z.monkey on January 28, 2009, 07:00:58 AM
That is an excellent cornucopia of alternative technologies there Bolt.
Add this one to you list... Sodium Chlorite (MMS)...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item196
MMS is a general purpose anti-pathogen. It kills viruses, bacteria, fungi, cancer cells, and all them other buggers that make people sick. Clinical trials were performed in Africa with Malaria and AIDS patients with excellent results. I have been using this for several months and I feel great. This stuff works better than Oil of Oregano. The reason for this is the size of the molecule. Oil of Oregano is a very complex, large molecule which doesn't pass through the cell walls easily. The MMS, when used with vitalized (micro) water, passes easily through cell walls, purifying all the individual cells. When all your cells are happy you feel vibrant and well.
OK, Mo Later...
Edit... I have noticed reading through this thread that most alternative cures are either electromagnetic or food. Both of these methods affect frequencies. The electromagnetic remedies are obvious frequencies. But the foods also each have their own frequencies, which is understood very well in Chinese Medicine (They are thousands of years ahead of western medicine)...
I have heard something about the chlorite in an old email that I received, but I don't know about it. I remember there is also a substance called Colloidal silver, that Robert Beck used in his health protocol. I have read something about Germanium (?) and colloidal gold. But I think colloidal gold is a hoax.
Yeah, if we clean the cells, the dissease dissapears. The virus and bacterias appears when toxic waste is present. So, the origin of the dissease is toxic waste. I have a paper that shows this in this way:
Think in the next situation: your body is a garbage collector, I mean the metallic box where anyone put the waste in. Sorry for my english.
Your body is clean: the garbage collector is clean and you can't see insects or rats
Your body is full of waste: insects and rats appears.
Think insects and rats are virus, bacterium... that appear when there is waste. If you maintain the place clean (you don't have toxic waste in your body), the virus/insects don't are present. Of course, in any disease a pathogen is present, but the pathogen is not the cause of the disease.
And yes, food and electromagnetism affect frequencies. I like to use the word Radiations. But we can use both frequencies or radiations. Some food affects in a positive way the body's radiation. Other food affects in a negative way the body radiation.
I have studied advanced nutrition for a long time, and there is a field called Electrical Nutrition that is similar to the food combining theory. But Electrical Nutrition is like food combining, but looking at the electrical nature of the food. There are electrical and magnetical foods, or something similar. I have read too much books about nutrition and now I don't remember all.
There is enought evidence to prove that refined sugars are very toxic to the body. Fat is not the enermy, sugar is the enemy! And tv always teached us that fat is the enemy. lol. The best effective diet is following a high fat diet (only you eat fat) and a high vitamin/mineral supplements. I'm not talking about Atkins or Ketogenic diets. Since atkins or ketogenic diets are based on a high protein and high fat diet. And this diet I'm talking about is only based on high fat.
MagnetoElectric Health Theory is extremely awesome, but it's also extremely dangerous.
I will answer to your questions, but I won't explain detailed things. Too much unknow people reading this thread.
I highly recommend The Wolfe Clinic http://thewolfeclinic.com/ (http://thewolfeclinic.com/) they have been around for more than 25 years putting together a list of the best alternative medicines on the planet.
You must read some of Dr. Wolfe’s articles and newsletters like "Reclaim Your Inner Terrain" and "Spoiled Rotten" they are very good.
If you want to live healthy for a long time do some research on his website. http://thewolfeclinic.com/ (http://thewolfeclinic.com/)
Wayne
Quote from: amigo on January 26, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
You're still here, trolling? Geez...
...ad hominem attack deleted...
I challenge any of you to post credible factual info on Kirlian photography, Chronovisors or Breatharians that contradict known science.
I agree Wikipedia is not perfect, but for a summary of the Chronovisor or Breatharian hoaxes, it served it's purpose. If you think there is a glaring inaccuracy in either of those articles, correct it yourself!
z.monkey
Have you read the book "Towards a New Alchemy: The Millennium Science" by Nick Begich about Dr. G. Patrick Flanagan.
They have found a jelly fish that seems to be immortal (it never ages).Maybe if we humans can find out it's secret then maybe we can live for hundreds of years ourselves.(it's called "Territopsis Nutricula").This jellyfish is some of the latest buzz on the internet.Triffid
...and in other news, the so-called immortal jellyfish Territopsis Nutricula became recently extinct due to unknown causes.
The once promising direction for medical research and potential for extending human life is now gone.
Oil and big Pharma companies were unavailable for comment on the causes of this sudden extinction...
hehe :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn5G29AzPLw&feature=rec-HM-r2
Expecting a doctor to teach you about how to prevent disease is sort of like expecting a car mechanic to show you how to perform brain surgery. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AazObF_pHSU&feature=rec-HM-r2
the truth for a change ?.
Sorry,I don't believe that territopsis nutricula is gone or extinct although it would serve us right in so many ways.So called extinct species have been found again.Triffid
Sorry,I misspelled the beast.I meant to spell out "Turritopsis Nutricula".Triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 10, 2009, 02:52:35 AM
Sorry,I don't believe that territopsis nutricula is gone or extinct although it would serve us right in so many ways.So called extinct species have been found again.Triffid
I was just kidding...it was the next bit of news we would read after they announced that it could prolong life or cure dis-eases. :)
Close enough to the truth to be believable though.
I read somewhere that a certain strain of the almond tree was systematically eradicated because of the healing properties in its seed...cancer was mentioned specifically.
Regards...
Quote from: triffid on February 06, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
They have found a jelly fish that seems to be immortal (it never ages).Maybe if we humans can find out it's secret then maybe we can live for hundreds of years ourselves.(it's called "Territopsis Nutricula").This jellyfish is some of the latest buzz on the internet.Triffid
As you know, aging is like an oxidation and de-vitalization process. But the human body has the hability to create new cells. Of course, there is a limit, where the cell cannot create again other new cell (differentiation process???). But some brilliant scientists have shown that they can 'Reset'
(de-differentiate) the cell and the cell is reset to 0, so the cells can grow again. There are other scientists that shown that any cell can be vitalized again.
So, a kid and an old person have some differences that they can be identified and reversed to re-juvenate any kind of cells. So, the cells can be 'programmated'. Diseases are electromagnetic energy patterns that communicate the body to change his functions. For example, cancer can be Cured and CREATED in any person if you induce an artificiall cell communication. There is evidence of those facts.
Great topics Magnethos...got any corresponding links.
I read once that the 'Doto' ring could regenerate cells, along with curing cancer.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on February 11, 2009, 04:55:37 PM
Great topics Magnethos...got any corresponding links.
I read once that the 'Doto' ring could regenerate cells, along with curing cancer.
Regards...
I just discovered the Dotto Ring 2 days ago. I was talking about Antoine Priore and other ones that I don't remember the name. But as I research more and more I'm discovering there are a lot of scientists that have developed awesome technologies.
I'm sure the soviets have made some kind of machine to rejuvenate the humans (they have researched about that field). So, maybe there are inmortal people right now.. Who knows... but I'm sure that someona has acomplised that. For sure.
Anyone can acomplish that, but anyone must know about an unlimited amount of field: optics, electronics, radiation, chemistry, biology, biochemistry, electrical engineering, etc...
There is a extremely high amount of information of awesome suppresed health-technologies that we don't know.
In your initial post you were also referencing the Dotto ring ?
I thought maybe you had found another approach to cell regeneration.
The numerous methods of application in the construction of anti gravity crafts is a testament to there being many roads leading to Rome.
Regards...
In your initial post you were also referencing the Dotto ring ?
I thought maybe you had found another approach to cell regeneration.
The numerous methods of application in the construction of anti gravity crafts is a testament to there being many roads leading to Rome.
Regards...
No, I haven't explained nothing about Dotto. I mean that I discovered this author just 2 days ago. I didn't know nothing about this scientist. But there are a lot of scientists. Bob Becker was other of the more brilliant scientists in body regeneration. He showed that if you lose a finger, it can re-growth again.
I read a little on Beck...I can't recall seeing those pics though...that is really impressive.
Regards...
I have the Body Electric book, but Beck also wrote 'Cross Currents: The perils of electropolution'
But all his work is in scientific papers..
The body is like a resonant circuit and it has properties of a resonant circuit: capacitance, resistance and inductance. The 'physic' part follows the electrodynamic part. So, configuring the electrodynamic part we can change the physic part.
I have read too that cancer cells are immortal and can be grown in petri dishes forever.Triffid
Long story short, Dotto wrote about three ways of generating magnetic currents and the last one was the one he applied to his works whereas he would take a pretty big/thick ring of copper and heat one end while cooling the other. I'm talking about several feet in diameter, 12 inches high and several inches thick. A BIG mother of a copper chunk :)
The differential has to be really high though, think about a really good A/C on one end and some heat producing apparatus on the other side. Once this is applied a magnetic field is formed inside the center of the ring which then would induce currents in the patient's body.
That's at least how I understood it. Something similar to what Bob Beck did when he hooked up a coil to the flash, just on much larger scale.
Oh, and let's please differentiate between Robert O. Becker and Robert (Bob) Beck. First was the M.D. and the other was the physicist, seems like people confused the two sometimes. :)
Quote from: triffid on February 12, 2009, 12:58:42 PM
I have read too that cancer cells are immortal and can be grown in petri dishes forever.Triffid
Cancer cells are like a mutation of healthy cells. Healthy cells can live in an alkaline environment, but when the enviroment is too acidic, low in oxygen and there are too much toxins, the healthy cells turn into cancer cells to survive in that toxic enviroment. Cancer is a survival mechanism of the body, it's not a disease.
Cancer is formed on the body when some parts of the body accumulate solvents and some parasites are present, and some toxic elements are present too. They create the 'Cancer-Complex' and the tumors start to growth. Eliminate the pathogens, toxic elements and solvents and your body will heal itself.
Quote from: amigo on February 12, 2009, 09:49:51 PM
Long story short, Dotto wrote about three ways of generating magnetic currents and the last one was the one he applied to his works whereas he would take a pretty big/thick ring of copper and heat one end while cooling the other. I'm talking about several feet in diameter, 12 inches high and several inches thick. A BIG mother of a copper chunk :)
The differential has to be really high though, think about a really good A/C on one end and some heat producing apparatus on the other side. Once this is applied a magnetic field is formed inside the center of the ring which then would induce currents in the patient's body.
That's at least how I understood it. Something similar to what Bob Beck did when he hooked up a coil to the flash, just on much larger scale.
Oh, and let's please differentiate between Robert O. Becker and Robert (Bob) Beck. First was the M.D. and the other was the physicist, seems like people confused the two sometimes. :)
I read a little about Dotto ring, but I have read the same as you. Dotto ring was a device where one side was cooling and the other heating. That remembers me to John Kanzius and the hyperthermia.
Oh yes, I was a little confused about Rober O. Beck and Bob Beck. Thank you for the post! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4DOQ6Xhqss&feature=rec-HM-rn
Another classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Lkyb6SU5U
Unless we act, if we put OUR health in the hands of OTHER person he will get profit of us. What is more important than my health? Someone believes that in this economic world someone is interested in our health? hahahaha All people is interested in the money of others!! So, "the health specialists" want to create clients (patients) to get more more and more money from them.
Who want to invert to study the anti-cancer properties of the broccoli? Who want to invert 1.000.000 USD to study a food? Can they patent a broccoli? Nooo. They want to research in drugs because they CAN patent a molecule or a drug and get TONS of money in a limit time.The pharma companies got 1.000.000 USD EACH HOUR for an entire year with Lipitor, that means 9.000.000.000 $ in a year. Can a broccoli produce that high amount of money? hahaha ;D
This world want to create sick. TV tell us how to think, what we eat, how we must dress, etc... People are eating waste. Look at this 2 comparisons:
TV, Magazines, etc.. tell us what eat
People get sick and fat
Some people go to the doctor->medicines->only the symptoms are treated->the patient need more drugs-> the history starts again. Result: Pharma companies get richer and richer $$$ People gets sick and sick, and poor. ;D
Some people go to the gym ($$$) -> the gym explains wrong concepts -> people get more fat -> more gym -> gym supplements ($$$) -> people get sick -> visit to the doctor ($$$) ;D
Some people go to a nutritionist ($$$) -> the nutritionis has learned wrong/incomplete concepts in the university -> people gets a diet and supplements ($$$) -> people get bored of following the diet -> people get fat again -> aesthetic surgery ($$$) ;D
RESULT: People get sick, tired, fat... Pharma companies shows the "solution", people earn money in drugs, Pharma companies grow, medical companies grow, companies create jobs for people. But patients (people) get sick and poorer and they dead. Companies get rich and rich while they create patients.
Second Case:
TV tells the TRUE concepts about nutrition and health.
People are slim and healthy.
Pharma companies don't earn money >:(
Nutritionist don't earn money >:(
People go to swim, to run, etc... Gyms don't earn money >:(
Sport supplements companies don't earn money >:(
Aesthetic surgery companies don't earn money >:(
People go to the Naturist professionals. They prescribe food or natural recipes, people gets healthy in a few treatments with very cheap solutions. This is bad option to pharma companies because pharma companies want to earn money, not to cure People.
RESULT: The people haven't jobs because each one knows how to eat, how to life, etc... Pharma companies dissapear because they don't sell drugs. Aesthetic surgery dissapear. Etc...
107 Deaths per minute
6,390 per hour
153,000 Per day
56.0 million per year
A PATIENT CURED IS A CLIENT LOST.
This kind of life, we're living is like a silent war with silent weapons.
Maybe this is the best option, because if each country employ their superweapons in a war, the entire life in the planet Earth would be annihilated whitin minutes.
In the history of the mankind there have been a lot of extremely high brilliant scientists that have discoveres extremely high complex theories. It's impossible to think that there hasn't been discovered the diseases causes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJ6Y7hesJ8&feature=related
Robert Beck was a genius. Yesterday I was reading his book 'The Body Electric'
If you have it, read it. Too much interesting information.
He was one of the scientists that researched the body regeneration mechanism using electricity. Awesome. He was a pioneer.
quite amazing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1136870/The-boy-11-tumours-sent-home-die--survives-grandparents-alternative-therapy-treatments.html
Quote from: Magnethos on February 13, 2009, 10:43:49 AM
Cancer cells are like a mutation of healthy cells. Healthy cells can live in an alkaline environment, but when the enviroment is too acidic, low in oxygen and there are too much toxins, the healthy cells turn into cancer cells to survive in that toxic enviroment. Cancer is a survival mechanism of the body, it's not a disease.
Cancer is formed on the body when some parts of the body accumulate solvents and some parasites are present, and some toxic elements are present too. They create the 'Cancer-Complex' and the tumors start to growth. Eliminate the pathogens, toxic elements and solvents and your body will heal itself.
does a risen level of telomerase also play a role?
The problem is that Pharma companies don't want to invert in a product to cure. They only want to invert in products to treat the symptoms, not the disease. There you have a prove to see that alternative treartment treat and cure the disease, not only the symptoms.
Drugs are only drugs. But the cells emit energy in different forms. If you want to cure, then you have to 'play' with the waves.
For example, if Tuberculosis resonates at A Hertz, then applying the antiwave (inverse of A) you can treat or maybe cure the disease. Drugs are new ways to treat people. In the origines of medicine all people were treated with electricity. For that reason FDA doesn't aproves any electrical treatment.
Has anyone had a firsthand experience with his machines.
http://www.simpledefeat.citymaker.com/silverpulsersale.html
Quote from: Dave45 on February 17, 2009, 06:56:24 PM
Has anyone had a firsthand experience with his machines.
http://www.simpledefeat.citymaker.com/silverpulsersale.html
Sota is the company that sells some of the product of robert beck. Anyone can find plans and schematics in the net to build his own magnetic pulser or the beck's zapper.
I haven't tested it but I have read some comments, and some people says that It works. Of course, you need to know from the start to the end, how to use those health protocols. A simple change could give a different result.
I say this to you for personal experience. I have all the books of Hulda Clark. Thousands of pages to learn. Some people follow a similar protocol because they have only read 1 or 2 books. I'm reading all her books and I can say you that there is a lot of theory to learn. Robert Beck published some books, but he has published a book called The Beck Protocol.
Quote from: b0rg13 on February 16, 2009, 02:35:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJ6Y7hesJ8&feature=related
Some doctors are treating cancer using DCA "off-label",[16][17] and under a cloud of controversy.[16] Drs. Akbar and Humaira Khan have since March 2007 treated cancer patients using DCA off-label at their private clinic, Medicor Cancer Centres, in Toronto.[18] They have treated several types of cancer and said on their web site that some patients "are showing varied positive responses to DCA including tumour shrinkage, reduction in tumour markers, symptom control, and improvement in lab tests".[17] Although, they have not published their results nor reported it at medical conferences, they have uploaded details of patient responses and overall statistics on their web site. [19] Dr. Terry Polevoy, of Kitchener, Ontario, called on the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario to take away the Khans' licences for offering a compound that hasn't been proven to shrink tumours in humans. "They are not oncologists. They should not be making these decisions. I think they should be disciplined for using this stuff. That, to me, is unethical, to use something that has never been proved to do anything." But the College said that it was not their role to say which therapies a doctor can use.[20]
For more info here is the Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichloroacetic_acid
If I had Cancer I would certainly try it it is cheap alternative with little sideffect.
professor
Quote from: Magnethos on February 18, 2009, 08:59:01 AM
Sota is the company that sells some of the product of robert beck. Anyone can find plans and schematics in the net to build his own magnetic pulser or the beck's zapper.
I haven't tested it but I have read some comments, and some people says that It works. Of course, you need to know from the start to the end, how to use those health protocols. A simple change could give a different result.
I say this to you for personal experience. I have all the books of Hulda Clark. Thousands of pages to learn. Some people follow a similar protocol because they have only read 1 or 2 books. I'm reading all her books and I can say you that there is a lot of theory to learn. Robert Beck published some books, but he has published a book called The Beck Protocol.
@ Magnethos
I have build the Beck as well as the Hulda regehr clarke Device in the Past, before going on to building my Rife Machine.
The Beck uses pole Voltage reversal at low frequencies,but his mechanical Relay switching restricts it to the low end Hertz range.
Hulda Regehr Clarke's device uses ~ 25Khz Square Waves, and it is debatable which is the better method.
I like Beck's Device but the mechanical Relay should be replaced by 4 Mosfets .Further I like to see a Variable frequency and pulse width Control. I think that would give you a choice of treatment and combine best features of both Devices .
I can not feel any effects of Hulda's Zapper but the Becks very low freq. pole reversal of "plus and Minus" I can feel, it zaps you like an Electronic Acupuncture Device.
I think both Devices by itself have some validity and perform as claimed by their inventors.
professor
Hulda Clark's device is used mainly to kill parasites, Beck pulser is used to revitalize the inmune system. As you say, the best is a mixed therapt. They are 2 different devices.
Muahaha... Ontario College of Physicians, Surgeons (and other peddlers of the status quo)
That's the same organization that prevents people in Ontario from having enough physicians, by limiting the number of graduates/licenses each year in order to keep the salaries high. After all the budget can be stretched only so far, right.
And why should they give up their high paying salaries, for a few more new physicians out there that could help a few hundred more people have access to a family doctor? Naaah, that's not what they all given oath for...
Let's not even talk about all the physicians and specialists that are driving cabs around Toronto because they are not allowed to practice medicine in Ontario. They all came from other countries and I guess in those (other) countries people don't get sick the same way, or the anatomy and physiology of people living "over there" is different than here. :D
...or maybe they did not pay their "homage" to the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons and thus they are not part of the "club". Once again, the "system" works. :)
professor,
Were you looking at the old Beck schematic that has a relay in it?
The last one (the improved) does not have a relay:
http://www.sharinghealth.com/beckprotocol/buildyourown.html
Quote from: amigo on February 18, 2009, 08:58:20 PM
professor,
Were you looking at the old Beck schematic that has a relay in it?
The last one (the improved) does not have a relay:
http://www.sharinghealth.com/beckprotocol/buildyourown.html
Thank you for the Link Amigo,
Yes Amigo it was the one with the Relay I built 14 Years ago.
Sometimes one gets carried away in designing a more elaborate circuit than needed.
This one is certainly simple enough,although it is limited by its preset frequency and waveshape.
27 Volts is a bit too high to apply to your Body but just right for making Silver.
The old Relay Type I operated it on 3VDC and was quite Safe.
Even if you current Limit the output you still have the higher voltage to deal with.
I don't know whether that can be problematic or not.
Electrification of your Blood was discussed earlier by supporters of passive devices and from what I remember it is something detrimental to your health. At higher voltages it is just more likely to occur.
However I need to look into this matter a bit more before I pass a valid comment.
by the way I fully agree with your prior posting Doctor in B.C. can not practice in any other province either that means that you people back east are dissimilar from our species here in the west. Right? With the exception of Quebec perhaps?
What a screwed up Country we live in?
If you lived and studied in Bavaria Germany you certainly would be able to practice anywhere within the Country regardless of the Province,perhaps even anywhere in Europe. Yet our town is inundated with very young S.A. Witch Doctors that just like to subscribe Pills . I makes no sense!
professor
hi has any one tryed the blood electro device and had good or other results..?
Quote from: professor on February 20, 2009, 03:57:50 PM
This one is certainly simple enough,although it is limited by its preset frequency and waveshape.
27 Volts is a bit too high to apply to your Body but just right for making Silver.
The old Relay Type I operated it on 3VDC and was quite Safe.
Even if you current Limit the output you still have the higher voltage to deal with.
I don't know whether that can be problematic or not.
Electrification of your Blood was discussed earlier by supporters of passive devices and from what I remember it is something detrimental to your health. At higher voltages it is just more likely to occur.
However I need to look into this matter a bit more before I pass a valid comment.
Hi professor,
So in your opinion the "improved" circuit isn't all necessarily better than the old one? I thought both were just supposed to be producing square waves at around 4Hz?
Could you please elaborate on that detrimental part of Blood Electrification, where was that discussed (by supporters of passive devices - what are those passive devices?) ?
Thanks.
Quote from: amigo on February 21, 2009, 02:38:47 PM
Hi professor,
So in your opinion the "improved" circuit isn't all necessarily better than the old one?
Show me where I made that Statement!
I thought both were just supposed to be producing square waves at around 4Hz?
If you want to produce just Square Waves you could use a 555 Timer
Could you please elaborate on that detrimental part of Blood Electrification, where was that discussed (by supporters of passive devices - what are those passive devices?) ?
Just Google it I am sure you will find it and if you find the opposite please post it as well.
Thanks.
Hi Amigo,
I did not say that the new system is NOT better. Since it is replacing a Relay it is better in that sense but I see 3 poles on the output and I fail to understand the circuit unless i build and analyze it.
Have you done that?The Relay did a true Polarity reversal .
Using Zeners and a Capacitor I am not sure if it duplicates the Original Circuit at its output.
Getting Older and not as updated in electronics I may be missing something or perhaps not.
I no longer have the Electronic Workbench installed on my Computer for me to simulate and test the Circuit either.
But perhaps you can be so kind and explain the Circuit.Call me dumb if you wish.
I know that the LM 358 Opamp is just a the multivibrator.
If the rest of the Circuit relies on a capacitor discharge I have my doubts if it achieves true Pole reversal.
As to the Electrification of the blood I do read and store info somewhere. I may remember but don't hold me to it to find it for you.
I am sure you can find it equally well on the Net., unless you are telling me that you have done that and could not find any detrimental information for blood electrification.
Read Hulda Regehr Clarke's Books I think you may find your Answer in there as well .
I just do not have the time to argue nor do I have any inclination to do that.
I made a Statement based on my observation and memory and if someone wants to challenge it, he should be doing the homework and show me that I am wrong.
I also commented that I prefer to see a combination of other features combined with this Circuit not knocking the circuit for what it is.
I think your comment regarding my comments were taken out of context, but thanks goodness we all have our own opinion.
So if you feel up to the challenge go for it. Strange though that you are never critical of Stiffler and his "SELFRUNNING"?
Perhaps you are somewhat biased ? Could be some of the reason that I did not take you up on your Offer you know what I am talking about.
professor
Quote from: amigo on February 21, 2009, 02:38:47 PM
Hi professor,
So in your opinion the "improved" circuit isn't all necessarily better than the old one? I thought both were just supposed to be
producing square waves at around 4Hz?
Could you please elaborate on that detrimental part of Blood Electrification, where was that discussed (by supporters of passive devices - what are those passive devices?) ?
Thanks.
Hi Amigo,
I did some more recent research and found that the consensus on Blood electrification has changed somewhat and
different than 10 Years ago
But even today if you use straight DC a unwanted electrolysis occurs which can be detrimental.
http://community.freespeech.org/blood_electrification_suppressed
"Passing 50 to 100 microamperes of simple d.c. electrical current through infected blood disables the pathogens and stops it reproducing it was discovered in 1992 but suppressed as pharmaceutical companies would lose vast sums of money due to its broad spectrum application."
http://educate-yourself.org/fc/fcbbeck1.shtml
"Now if you apply a direct current (DC) potential to the skin, you're going to get an electrolysis effect and that can cause problems,so Beck designed a circuit that varied the voltage with an alternating current (AC) at a very low frequency and avoided the electrolysis problem.The waveform that Beck chose is not the typical sine wave seen in AC household outlets, but rather is a bi-phasic square wave, meaning that the waveform voltage has a positive half and a negative half, allowing the current to reverse direction each half cycle. Square waves generate a large number of harmonics. Harmonics are frequency multiples of the original frequency. Odd harmonics are multiples of the original frequency multiplied by 3, 5, 7 etc. and even harmonics are multiples of 2. For example, the odd harmonics of a 4 Hertz (Hz) square wave would be 12 Hz , 20 Hz, 28 Hz, etc. right up into the radio frequency range."
There you have it.But I am still at odds with the New Circuit every link leads to Becks Relay operated circuit Why?
professor
Hi professor,
I will run both the original and the "improved" circuit through the EWB and see what happens, can't hurt, right.
Hulda Clarke is just one source and I really like having alternative sources, and confirmations or rebuttals.
Personally I am not sure what is the minimum current/voltage that will produce electrolysis in blood but I'd like to find out. I believe the problem is that we can not monitor internal processes in the body, real-time or not, and that is a big drawback, in my humble opinion.
About Dr. Stiffler, if you read his thread from the start I was one of the major critics at the beginning, and even got flamed for it by another member who was an adamant defender and just went to chew me over.
Either way, I do not think you had the right to be disrespectful to him as a person, as you were on several occasions in your posts to him. It is just not part of NETiquette, especially when a decent scientific debate could've suffice. Can you imagine how much other people could've learned if two educated and experienced electronics wizs' engaged in a debate, supporting it with theory and practice.
Instead, you were like two grumpy old men, stubborn and vengeful. But I also lay blame on Stefan for not knowing how to run forums, or having proper moderators that would impose basic civility and respect among posters.
Regardless of all that, you seem to think everyone is after you, to get you, even me. I do not know how less threatening can I present myself than I already have. Maybe it's just my bad choice of words I use that somehow makes you think I'm trying to start an argument with you each time.
In all honesty you appear to me to have a great deal of knowledge and since that's my pursuit I have hoped to learn something new from you. Yet you seem overly paranoid, for whatever reason, and are closing doors even to true enquirers.
All this makes me somewhat sad but I will not dwell over it, always looking ahead. :)
Quote from: amigo on February 23, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
Hi professor,
I will run both the original and the "improved" circuit through the EWB and see what happens, can't hurt, right.
Hulda Clarke is just one source and I really like having alternative sources, and confirmations or rebuttals.
Personally I am not sure what is the minimum current/voltage that will produce electrolysis in blood but I'd like to find out. I believe the problem is that we can not monitor internal processes in the body, real-time or not, and that is a big drawback, in my humble opinion.
About Dr. Stiffler, if you read his thread from the start I was one of the major critics at the beginning, and even got flamed for it by another member who was an adamant defender and just went to chew me over.
Either way, I do not think you had the right to be disrespectful to him as a person, as you were on several occasions in your posts to him. It is just not part of NETiquette, especially when a decent scientific debate could've suffice. Can you imagine how much other people could've learned if two educated and experienced electronics wizs' engaged in a debate, supporting it with theory and practice.
Instead, you were like two grumpy old men, stubborn and vengeful. But I also lay blame on Stefan for not knowing how to run forums, or having proper moderators that would impose basic civility and respect among posters.
Regardless of all that, you seem to think everyone is after you, to get you, even me. I do not know how less threatening can I present myself than I already have. Maybe it's just my bad choice of words I use that somehow makes you think I'm trying to start an argument with you each time.
In all honesty you appear to me to have a great deal of knowledge and since that's my pursuit I have hoped to learn something new from you. Yet you seem overly paranoid, for whatever reason, and are closing doors even to true enquirers.
All this makes me somewhat sad but I will not dwell over it, always looking ahead. :)
Hi Amigo
Yes its hard to know what is best the verdict appears to be that 50 to 100 Micro amps at 27 volt DC is sufficient but the Polarity should be switched from time to time which makes sense as you do not want to cause electrolysis to happen.
As to Stiffler yes after being
threatened by him because of a different point of view I started heckling him.
A letter of complaint and all the Details were forwarded to Stefan.
You never saw Stifflers Email to me so I wont blame you for thinking the way you do.
But remember there are always two sides to a story,and there are two kinds of people one that listens fairly to both sides and the other that likes to remain biased because he likes to kiss butt.
Besides even after the passing of 8 Month and a lot of Bull he still has not come up with anything that he Claims which is SELFRUNNING.
Any RF Technician should see right through his scheme.
Well if you wish to remain blind good luck and all the power to you.But remember he pissed off a lot more people than he has believers.
professor
Hi professor,
I haven't had a chance yet to put the circuits into EWB but even when I do I doubt I'll get all the answers I want because simulation is one thing, and plugging this circuit to the body and let it run is another. ;)
You are right, I do not know the whole story about Dr. Stiffler, but what I said was based on the information I had available to me. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong about any claims, the way we interact with each other is very important to me, as you can see. Because we lack understanding and are quick to judge each other, we end up in arguments and fights.
Until we learn to truly live and work together, we'll get nowhere...
Quote from: amigo on February 24, 2009, 10:24:03 PM
Hi professor,
I haven't had a chance yet to put the circuits into EWB but even when I do I doubt I'll get all the answers I want because simulation is one thing, and plugging this circuit to the body and let it run is another. ;)
You are right, I do not know the whole story about Dr. Stiffler, but what I said was based on the information I had available to me. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong about any claims, the way we interact with each other is very important to me, as you can see. Because we lack understanding and are quick to judge each other, we end up in arguments and fights.
Until we learn to truly live and work together, we'll get nowhere...
How true...... I guess your diplomatic skills surpass mine.Although I have no evidence that you were as critical with Stiffler as you had been with me.
I read the circuit description which I had not done before and all became clear.
Had they shown the plug with the probes attached I would have had another clue that the third contact was not used in the open mode and only in the closed mode being just cosmetics (operating the LED)
I agree that there is no substitute to actually building and scoping both Circuits to get a true sense of Voltages and wave shapes.
Should the two differ from each other one still doesn't know which circuit is the better of the two.
I suppose one needs to rely on the Experts that actually have proven the circuit in the field on specimens.
If this circuit was designed ,tested and approved by Robert Beck that should be good enough for me.
To fall back on my previous comment of the danger of blood electrification I found the Article from Beck himself it was in the August September 1998 Nexus Magazine.
I have the pdf file which I can not attach, it says :quote: "blood electrification can cause electroporation which makes cell membranes previous to small of normal harmless chemicals in the Plasma. The effect is the same as overdosing which may be lethal"
Google electroporation you will find your answer.
professor
Hi professor,
I tried to put the original relay circuit into EWB but I keep getting an error on the relay part for some reason. I can't be bothered to troubleshoot it, as you said yourself, probably easier to just build the circuits and scope them.
Though that will only tell us the electrical operating parameters outside the body. We still can't measure anything inside the blood stream, and I'd love to be able to monitor the blood stream at and around the point where the electrodes are.
I am aware of electroporation as well as I have that Nexus article. That is why Beck had developed his "protocol" around it to avoid lethal situations (for example no garlic is to be eaten or due to electroporation it would penetrate the blood/brain barrier...)
What I'm not clear about is the original vs. improved schematic. In the original one the electrode connector is a two pin, while in the improved it's a three pin. Where does the extra pin go to and which ones actually connect to the electrodes?
The original circuit was just reversing the 27v supply between the electrodes using the relay, the improved schematic being bi-phasic we are looking at a differential in the electrodes that actually does the excitation in the blood, no?
Quote from: amigo on February 26, 2009, 11:44:39 AM
Hi professor,
I tried to put the original relay circuit into EWB but I keep getting an error on the relay part for some reason. I can't be bothered to troubleshoot it, as you said yourself, probably easier to just build the circuits and scope them.
Though that will only tell us the electrical operating parameters outside the body. We still can't measure anything inside the blood stream, and I'd love to be able to monitor the blood stream at and around the point where the electrodes are.
I am aware of electroporation as well as I have that Nexus article. That is why Beck had developed his "protocol" around it to avoid lethal situations (for example no garlic is to be eaten or due to electroporation it would penetrate the blood/brain barrier...)
What I'm not clear about is the original vs. improved schematic. In the original one the electrode connector is a two pin, while in the improved it's a three pin. Where does the extra pin go to and which ones actually connect to the electrodes?
The original circuit was just reversing the 27v supply between the electrodes using the relay, the improved schematic being bi-phasic we are looking at a differential in the electrodes that actually does the excitation in the blood, no?
Hi Amigo,
That same 3 Pole is what had thrown me at first too.
Sometimes you do not see the trees because of the Forest.
But after reading the Circuit description it became clear to me that this pin was not used once you plug in the Male plug it opens up that line without connecting it to the Probes.
The output of the LM358 toggles if LM358A is positive LM358B is negative and so on.
The rest is cosmetics just to blink an LED and the Zeners to indicate when the Batteries are low.
Still like to see a Buffer between the output of the Opamp and the probes small NPN and PNP Transistor perhaps.
Hi Guys,
I put together the simple zapper at this link a couple of times, but I couldn't seem to get a square wave - all I got was a sawtooth wave:
http://www.zapperplans.com/plans.html
Any suggestions?
B
Quote from: professor on February 26, 2009, 08:53:49 PM
Hi Amigo,
That same 3 Pole is what had thrown me at first too.
Sometimes you do not see the trees because of the Forest.
But after reading the Circuit description it became clear to me that this pin was not used once you plug in the Male plug it opens up that line without connecting it to the Probes.
The output of the LM358 toggles if LM358A is positive LM358B is negative and so on.
The rest is cosmetics just to blink an LED and the Zeners to indicate when the Batteries are low.
Still like to see a Buffer between the output of the Opamp and the probes small NPN and PNP Transistor perhaps.
Hi professor,
What forest? Trees? Where? All I see around me is a concrete jungle, condos going up faster than mushrooms after the rain. :)
So basically we only use pin 1 and 3 on the connector as described in the schematic, each leading to an electrode?
What would this transistor buffer do though? Wouldn't Beck put one there himself?
I have this vague recollection of reading something about necessity to have high impedance going to the skin/electrodes and that using tubes would be a preferred way to using transistors or modern IC, as tubes provide this kind of output. Beats me as tubes were well before my time...
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 26, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
Hi Guys,
I put together the simple zapper at this link a couple of times, but I couldn't seem to get a square wave - all I got was a sawtooth wave:
http://www.zapperplans.com/plans.html
Any suggestions?
B
Hi,
Just look around the net, there are tons of square wave gen circuits with schmitt triggers, using 7414, 4069, 40106...and they allow for adjustable pulse width and frequency.
Quote from: Bob Smith on February 26, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
Hi Guys,
I put together the simple zapper at this link a couple of times, but I couldn't seem to get a square wave - all I got was a sawtooth wave:
http://www.zapperplans.com/plans.html
Any suggestions?
B
Without having looked at your circuit I just want to show you one very stable circuit that puts out a variety of waveforms.
If you are loading a circuit or in the case of the LM358 you can introduce stray capacitances which effects the waveshape of these circuits as I tried to explain to Amigo being the reason to put a
buffer at the output of inverting opamp.
Any loading from the probes will not result in any changes to the circuit it is common practice to do so in electronics whether analog ,RF or digital.
Quote from: amigo on February 27, 2009, 12:16:23 PM
Hi professor,
What forest? Trees? Where? All I see around me is a concrete jungle, condos going up faster than mushrooms after the rain. :)
So basically we only use pin 1 and 3 on the connector as described in the schematic, each leading to an electrode?
What would this transistor buffer do though? Wouldn't Beck put one there himself?
I have this vague recollection of reading something about necessity to have high impedance going to the skin/electrodes and that using tubes would be a preferred way to using transistors or modern IC, as tubes provide this kind of output. Beats me as tubes were well before my time...
We still have some trees left, very few though as the Pine Beetle got most of them.
Right now we have more snow than Trees and its bloody cold for Feb.
Where is the Global Warming? I guess it is in Australia. We bitch about the cold but at least you can do something about it.
As far as impedances is concerned you can use mosfets if you think that is better.
Configuring your bipolar transistor i.e. Common base for instance will lower your input Emitter impedance while I yhink raises the collector output dont quote me on that one as I go on far memory.
Tubes yes I am most familiar with I guess that shows my age but there are only few to be had.
Since the Plate voltage of tubes is very high it's not something you want to mess with.
Using the cathode you have low impedance and if your Cathode Resistor opens up you get fried.
Dont even think about it!
Remember that it is a DC current that does all the work the Voltage needs to be high enough to introduce a current flow through the tissue then entering the bloodvessel and the Blood.
Some of us have thick skin ...LOL.... and the current needs to be cranked up.If you do that directly from the output of the LM358 you may load it to the point of failure or distortion or change in frequency as it feeds the output back into the input with a buffer that would be no problem.Hope I made myself clear English being my second language my explanation lacks the right wording.
professor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROZXOKejcpc
..this is just sad.
Quote from: professor on February 27, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
We still have some trees left, very few though as the Pine Beetle got most of them.
Right now we have more snow than Trees and its bloody cold for Feb.
Where is the Global Warming? I guess it is in Australia. We bitch about the cold but at least you can do something about it.
As far as impedances is concerned you can use mosfets if you think that is better.
Configuring your bipolar transistor i.e. Common base for instance will lower your input Emitter impedance while I yhink raises the collector output dont quote me on that one as I go on far memory.
Tubes yes I am most familiar with I guess that shows my age but there are only few to be had.
Since the Plate voltage of tubes is very high it's not something you want to mess with.
Using the cathode you have low impedance and if your Cathode Resistor opens up you get fried.
Dont even think about it!
Remember that it is a DC current that does all the work the Voltage needs to be high enough to introduce a current flow through the tissue then entering the bloodvessel and the Blood.
Some of us have thick skin ...LOL.... and the current needs to be cranked up.If you do that directly from the output of the LM358 you may load it to the point of failure or distortion or change in frequency as it feeds the output back into the input with a buffer that would be no problem.Hope I made myself clear English being my second language my explanation lacks the right wording.
professor
Ah but it's not "Global Warming" anymore, it's "Climate Change" so now it covers any possibility and they'll always be right, hehe. :)
It was a nice and cold day today and I see snow for the next week, nice. As you said the warming is in Australia... :)
I got the point of the buffer and the need for MOSFET for high impedance. I will stay away from tubes. :)
Because it is DC, it is micro-currents that need to be introduced, right? Have you ever found a place where they talk about the necessary voltage to penetrate specific layers of the skin. We still need to somehow figure out the threshold for the blood electrolysis and stay the heck away from it...
Your ingrish is just fine. :)
Thanks.
Here is an great documentary by Rick Simpson (who was on the earlier radio "Ron Paul Revolution" interview) called "Run From the Cure".
http://user148333.websitewizard.com/thc-the-cure-for-cancer.html
Hemp oil is a cure for cancer... It's not just him that is saying this... Clinical studies have shown it as well (oddly enough, always from Europe or elsewhere outside the U.S.) . Simpson gave the oil to his friends and neighbors in his little town in Canada, and at least 2 were cured of terminal cancers; and a whole host of other diseases.
Imagine this knowledge being known to the medical community: And not being acted on.. What does that say about our current society?
When Social Security was enacted, people were expected to work until age 65; and die at age 67.
People who use chemo or radiation treatments die at a higher rate than those with cancer who do not.
No one has ever died from cannibis.... Ever. It has been used as a medicine for over 4,000 years.
Supposedly 1 pound of high-quality "grass" buds is needed to render 2 liquid ounces of hemp oil (but that should be enough for the cure, taking about 3 months). Simpson said that you can smoke un-concentrated marijuana "until the cows come home", and it will not cure any cancer; it must be in the oil form.
But note: Processing the hemp oil can be dangerous. Toluene or Isopropyl Alcohol is used as the solvent.. Then it is boiled off in a rice cooker (outdoors with lots of ventilation). He shows the process in the vid.
Quote from: amigo on February 28, 2009, 06:27:00 PM
Ah but it's not "Global Warming" anymore, it's "Climate Change" so now it covers any possibility and they'll always be right, hehe. :)
It was a nice and cold day today and I see snow for the next week, nice. As you said the warming is in Australia... :)
I got the point of the buffer and the need for MOSFET for high impedance. I will stay away from tubes. :)
Because it is DC, it is micro-currents that need to be introduced, right? Have you ever found a place where they talk about the necessary voltage to penetrate specific layers of the skin. We still need to somehow figure out the threshold for the blood electrolysis and stay the heck away from it...
Your ingrish is just fine. :)
Thanks.
Hi Amigo
50 to 100 microamps directly into the Bloodstream If you were to stick a needle into the arteries which I will not do you might get a better reading although there is quite a span between 50 and 100 . If 50 will suffice then stay away from anything higher .
I visualize it as submerging the soles of your feet into a conductive (Saline) or epson salt solution in a stainless bowl.
This would be one of my electrodes and the surface area being that large a greater amount of current must flow in the lower ma range.The other electrode could be your hands using the same setup or using as most do a small probe above the inside wrist directly over the visible vane.
If you took a reading anywhere on your Body in between those two points preferably the bloodstream in the vane you may have a clue that the current is successfully flowing throughout. Like tapping a resistor .
Density or resistive Data of the upper dermal layers, I never heard of it.
I think we are trying to make an Elephant out of an Ant Hulda is using 27 VDC and so is Beck.
However Beck specifies somewhere the size of the Electrodes in Square inches if attached to your wrist.
It was rather small and you can get burns and lesions on your skin.
With my method you will not.
With an alternating phase you may prevent electrolysis like you can not plate metal using ac or switched DC I think
correct me if I am wrong.
Finally warmed up here to plus 3 .You can keep all your snow.
professor
Hi professor,
People have used Stainless Steel electrodes that were wrapped in fabric and soaked in a saline solution. They would get burns and lesions on the spots due to bad conductivity (the saline solution would try). Some have suggested using Silver or Gold as an alternative but somehow I feel it would be the same.
I was thinking in the lines of using carbon electrodes (graphite). Our cells are carbon based so I figure it would not be rejected or cause burns, although I did not try this so maybe I'm wrong.
Regarding your setup idea I am sort of awry of an idea of submerging one's feet into a bowl filled with a conductive liquid. You do know that anything above 1mA will produce a sensation, 10mA muscle paralysis, then we get a respiratory failure, severe shock, etc. and the threshold of lethal current is above 100mA, with 500mA possible heart fibrillation.
You simply do not ever want to pass more than 100uA to your body, if at all that much, and definitely battery power only.
For example, between a hand and the foot resistance is about 500 ohm (or much less since you submerged your foot in a saline solution). When you run 30V DC you are passing 60mA through your heart (remember both feet in water, electric bridge) another electrode to the hand. You might as well "waterboard" yourself if you like torture :)
I think we should just stick with the wrist electrodes and 50uA, add a MOSFET buffer and use battery power... :)
Oh, looks like they changed their mind about snow, now they say Sunny and rain on Wednesday. This Climate Change thingy really works...
Hi all
Interesting link here:
http://www.royalrife.com/megamagpulser.html
"
Dear Group,
I've been really serious with my investigations into the uses of this device. with the help of an electronics engineer, I have determined that the coil should be made from 250 feet of wire if you are using 10 gauge (single strand). I have also made 2 other smaller coils using 12 gauge multi strand wire......each one using 100 feet each (or more). I am now using two batteries in series equaling a voltage of 24. The best button I have found for using this device so far is a "horn" button which I bought at walmart for 3.96. Actually each of my coils have their own button and it works VERY well. You can tap it for the shortest and fastest pulses. As for the effectiveness of the coil, I have spent thousands of dollars on gadgets and gizmos and supplements to try to get rid of this dreaded lyme and nothing has worked. There is something totally different about this device. The stronger I make it, the better it works. I am having the most severe herx symptoms that I have EVER had......this is the first time that I've felt bad enough from die-off to want to stop treatment but that is exactly what I did today........I was pale, and lethargic and in alot of pain from dead pathogens in my joints and blood........but I spent the whole day smiling because I've NEVER been this successful. My wrist coils (because that is one of the first places I want to clear of this disease) are doing their job and both wrists were on fire today from the die-off.........in fact I'm probably over-doing it a little.....but I had no idea it would be so effective......... I am also very excited because of what this could mean and do for some of the rest of you.....Lyme is notorious for being hard to kill......and this is killing it for sure.........hep-c isn't hard to kill.....but is very hard to reach........this may be the answer!!.........
I really feel this is the answer for many of us........This is the FIRST electric device that has been effective for me.......I've never doubted that I would find the answer but I didn't think it would be this.......I have every confidence that steadfast use of this coil will help me kill the beast............
By the way.....it seems that taking something like grapefruit seed extract while you are doing this coil treatment.....they seem to compliment each other very much......................More later when I know more!!.........Robb 12/1/03
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Build the megapulser and maybe you don't have to worry about electrodes and the skin burning issues? Just need deep cycle battery, lots of heaving gauge wire and a starter solenoid energized by a horn button.
Tishatang
Quote from: tishatang on March 02, 2009, 04:32:46 AM
Hi all
Interesting link here:
http://www.royalrife.com/megamagpulser.html
"Dear Group,
I've been really serious with my investigations into the uses of this device. with the help of an electronics engineer, I have determined that the coil should be made from 250 feet of wire if you are using 10 gauge (single strand). I have also made 2 other smaller coils using 12 gauge multi strand wire......each one using 100 feet each (or more). I am now using two batteries in series after being equaling a voltage of 24. The best button I have found for using this device so far is a "horn" button which I bought at walmart for 3.96. Actually each of my coils have their own button and it works VERY well. You can tap it for the shortest and fastest pulses. As for the effectiveness of the coil, I have spent thousands of dollars on gadgets and gizmos and supplements to try to get rid of this dreaded lyme and nothing has worked. There is something totally different about this device. The stronger I make it, the better it works. I am having the most severe herx symptoms that I have EVER had......this is the first time that I've felt bad enough from die-off to want to stop treatment but that is exactly what I did today........I was pale, and lethargic and in alot of pain from dead pathogens in my joints and blood........but I spent the whole day smiling because I've NEVER been this successful. My wrist coils (because that is one of the first places I want to clear of this disease) are doing their job and both wrists were on fire today from the die-off.........in fact I'm probably over-doing it a little.....but I had no idea it would be so effective......... I am also very excited because of what this could mean and do for some of the rest of you.....Lyme is notorious for being hard to kill......and this is killing it for sure.........hep-c isn't hard to kill.....but is very hard to reach........this may be the answer!!.........
I really feel this is the answer for many of us........This is the FIRST electric device that has been effective for me.......I've never doubted that I would find the answer but I didn't think it would be this.......I have every confidence that steadfast use of this coil will help me kill the beast............
By the way.....it seems that taking something like grapefruit seed extract while you are doing this coil treatment.....they seem to compliment each other very much......................More later when I know more!!.........Robb 12/1/03
Quote
[/sub]
Build the megapulser and maybe you don't have to worry about electrodes and the skin burning issues? Just need deep cycle battery, lots of heaving gauge wire and a starter solenoid energized by a horn button.
Tishatang
Yes I think you are right.
This however is a method for a known disease and to be localized rather than treating your entire Body and the blood that supplies you body throughout.
I know of a similar and more effective way by using a Higher voltage of 330 VDC and a series of Photo flash Capacitors
after being fully charged you discharge them via a SCR into a Load which in this case was a Speaker crossover Coil of heavy enough wire to handle the Current,or find an old Photoflash and convert it for such purpose.
It however will not treat your Blood and therefore it will have different applications.
Those are items you can get at Radio Shack or other Suppliers as they are cheap and readily available.
With the SCR you will have no arcing and a fast discharge,but a switch like in your case will do.
professor
Quote from: amigo on March 01, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
Hi professor,
People have used Stainless Steel electrodes that were wrapped in fabric and soaked in a saline solution. They would get burns and lesions on the spots due to bad conductivity (the saline solution would try). Some have suggested using Silver or Gold as an alternative but somehow I feel it would be the same.
I was thinking in the lines of using carbon electrodes (graphite). Our cells are carbon based so I figure it would not be rejected or cause burns, although I did not try this so maybe I'm wrong.
Regarding your setup idea I am sort of awry of an idea of submerging one's feet into a bowl filled with a conductive liquid. You do know that anything above 1mA will produce a sensation, 10mA muscle paralysis, then we get a respiratory failure, severe shock, etc. and the threshold of lethal current is above 100mA, with 500mA possible heart fibrillation.
You simply do not ever want to pass more than 100uA to your body, if at all that much, and definitely battery power only.
For example, between a hand and the foot resistance is about 500 ohm (or much less since you submerged your foot in a saline solution). When you run 30V DC you are passing 60mA through your heart (remember both feet in water, electric bridge) another electrode to the hand. You might as well "waterboard" yourself if you like torture :)
I think we should just stick with the wrist electrodes and 50uA, add a MOSFET buffer and use battery power... :)
Oh, looks like they changed their mind about snow, now they say Sunny and rain on Wednesday. This Climate Change thingy really works...
Hi Amigo
I have used a Couple of Silver Ingots as Electrodes.
You might be right with using Carbon as electrodes.
I thought about that myself as you know for production of colloidal Silver there must be no additives to the Water so using silver and salt maybe not such a good idea.
I have tried the saline solution in a Stainless Bowl and I had a Variable output through a Pot but limited in series with a Resistor
as to prevent more than a given amount of current to flow.
I am still alive Electricution is a combination of Voltage and Current. You can hang onto your Car Battery Posts with both Hands
and although it is capable to supply 300 or more Amperes you wont be electricuted.
I have had a few zaps of 25 KV from TV sets during my Life and other than being painfully unpleasant it showed no ill effects.
On the contrary it may have zapped some of the pathogens ?
If in Doubt just insert a Milliamp Meter into the Supply Line .
Even if you ran a current of 1 ma through your Body the current that would run through your Blood would be minuscule.
professor
QuoteWithout having looked at your circuit I just want to show you one very stable circuit that puts out a variety of waveforms.
@Professor, thanks so much for taking the time to post the circuit. Much appreciated.
All the best to you,
Bob
Quote from: professor on March 02, 2009, 04:55:03 PM
I know of a similar and more effective way by using a Higher voltage of 330 VDC and a series of Photo flash Capacitors
after being fully charged you discharge them via a SCR into a Load which in this case was a Speaker crossover Coil of heavy enough wire to handle the Current,or find an old Photoflash and convert it for such purpose.
It however will not treat your Blood and therefore it will have different applications.
Those are items you can get at Radio Shack or other Suppliers as they are cheap and readily available.
With the SCR you will have no arcing and a fast discharge,but a switch like in your case will do.
professor
We must have seen the same circuit, it's been floating around the Net for awhile. The premise is based on Bob Beck's idea to use magnetic pulses to stimulate lymph centers, where he said pathogens collect, and expel them out. All this should be done, according to Beck, in conjunction with his other "treatments", thus the Beck Protocol. :)
Quote from: professor on March 02, 2009, 05:16:11 PM
I have tried the saline solution in a Stainless Bowl and I had a Variable output through a Pot but limited in series with a Resistor
as to prevent more than a given amount of current to flow.
I am still alive Electricution is a combination of Voltage and Current. You can hang onto your Car Battery Posts with both Hands
and although it is capable to supply 300 or more Amperes you wont be electricuted.
I have had a few zaps of 25 KV from TV sets during my Life and other than being painfully unpleasant it showed no ill effects.
On the contrary it may have zapped some of the pathogens ?
If in Doubt just insert a Milliamp Meter into the Supply Line .
Even if you ran a current of 1 ma through your Body the current that would run through your Blood would be minuscule.
professor
Hi,
So my next question is: "Did it work and did you notice any difference?"
Though, we are back to square one because we can't reliably detect anything and all results are based on subjective observations, that vary from person to person.
Here is a device that is already on the market; it would be nice to get a look at the schematics on this.
http://www.elixa.com/silver/silverpulser.htm (http://www.elixa.com/silver/silverpulser.htm) or
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/health_technology/sota_silver_pulser.html (http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/health_technology/sota_silver_pulser.html)
Quote from: Bob Smith on March 02, 2009, 06:21:18 PM
@Professor, thanks so much for taking the time to post the circuit. Much appreciated.
All the best to you,
Bob
@ Bob Smith
You are most welcome ,if I can help you in any other way please just ask!
professor
Quote from: amigo on March 02, 2009, 10:48:15 PM
We must have seen the same circuit, it's been floating around the Net for awhile. The premise is based on Bob Beck's idea to use magnetic pulses to stimulate lymph centers, where he said pathogens collect, and expel them out. All this should be done, according to Beck, in conjunction with his other "treatments", thus the Beck Protocol. :)
Yes Sir!
Professor
Quote from: amigo on March 02, 2009, 10:52:05 PM
Hi,
So my next question is: "Did it work and did you notice any difference?"
Though, we are back to square one because we can't reliably detect anything and all results are based on subjective observations, that vary from person to person.
You have a valid Question to which I have no Answer.
At the time I had no problem, rather did it more out of couriosity and like doing a Body cleanse with black Walnut and Cloves and Wormwood as per Hulda Regehr C. (preventative)
I had not examined my stool, although I do have a 1000 X microscope to see whether there was any debris leading to believe that it was coming from the Parasites.
I did however have had very positive results by using " LUGOLS" tincture which I made according to Hulda's recipe.
I am not a medical person just a Electronic Tech. and Licensed Radio Amateur but I am fascinated at the possibilities to use Electronics for Medicine.If I can serve God to help just one Person I would be humbled.
I am saying, I don't want to do this kind of thing for Gain.
professor
Quote from: professor on March 03, 2009, 05:06:31 PM
I am saying, I don't want to do this kind of thing for Gain.
professor
Me neither, but there are so many people out there who are selling one kind of a cure or another, whether its real or not. On top of that, there are some who have the missing knowledge from a few researchers from the past (Beck, Skilling, etc) and are hording it for their selfish purposes, too.
Then we have all the research centers, institutions and universities that conduct "studies and research" with millions of dollars poured into it, leading to nothing - new pharmaceuticals or another treatment using radiation or some other barbaric way of torture.
On top of it, much of their findings are published in locked behind pay-per-view journals, not publicly accessible even though the public paid for most of that research to begin with. Just funny how this world works...but many care. :)
You guys ever watched the Arnold's Way vids on youtube?
Here's a few:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPlM__ekxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOh5zKTDLM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ng9R-sy51g&feature=related
Bob
Quote from: Bob Smith on March 03, 2009, 09:59:02 PM
You guys ever watched the Arnold's Way vids on youtube?
Here's a few:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPlM__ekxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOh5zKTDLM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ng9R-sy51g&feature=related
Bob
Yes Bob there are many ways to attack cancer it seems, you can
starve it by eating the right things but its a long road and you have to endure a strict diet.With all of the sprayed Food or processed food you may intake other harmful things,and where can you buy real organic food ,if so could you afford it ?
I personally like to
kill it dead in its tracks and have the body function take care of the debris.
Its faster and a more sure or predictable thing. Mind you certain protocol of food is recommended with all the different treatments.
DCA a compound,already has a proven track record in the university clinic in alberta it also seems to be the cheapest way to go because it can not be patented as a drug. Therefore drug Companies are not interested in it .. yes it all boils down to $$$$.
I prefer electronic treatments because of my background in it.
If I was a Chemist I would swear by the use of Chemicals, if I was a Druggist I would sell you a drug with the most mark up a nutritionalist,would recommend food stuff and the list goes on.
As I said my Interest is in the Electronic way but I take notice of all other Methods and save and pass on that Info, without wanting to get too deeply involved.
Thanks for the Links anyway Bob.
professor
I have a friend who is dying in a hospital as I write this from lung cancer.She knew a year ago that she had cancer.I told her about the baking soda cure back then.She ignored me on it.Chose to do nothing natural chose chemo and radiation treatments.I run across info on Beta glucans last week for the first time.Now she is dying.I live in another state but expect to go to her funeral soon.I told her about 3 different natural methods but was ignored totally.You can try to tell someone something but if you get overuled like me you will still feel bad.Triffid
It been over a year since I posted anything in this thread.My lakhovsky coils worked for a while on my arthritis pain (about 5 months then quit working).I have since retired on SS disabilty since I am unable to stand and walk 8 to 12 hours a day for a job and was over 50.(I'm 58).Once your coils stop working the remedy is to use different wires.Triffid
I lost my friend to cancer this morning.She was only 49.triffid
Sorry to hear about your friend...
You can only point the way but they have to make the first step.
Tom Valentine's article pretty much spells out the Truth of the matter:
www.rense.com/general85/CancerMasons.pdf
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
I agree with Mr.Valentines article.Thanks to it I have found two more methods of cancer treatment.My friend put her trust in radiation and chemo.They let her down.She had cyberknife operations,About two or three.You need to google it up to learn more about it.She said it hurt like hell and noone told her it would.She said too it cost nearly $200,000 and her insurance was paying for it.In the end her body swelled up and she was unable to talk and use the phone.I was unable to sway her from chemo and radiation.It was her choice 100%.I saw a year and a half ago that she was sick(bad color in her face).I told her so then.She lived 250 miles away in another state.She chose to ignore it untill last April when the pain forced her to quit work.Its not the first time I saw cancer in a person and two years later they are dead.She makes the third person so far.One person with bad color didn't have cancer(just stress that was killing him).He retired and his color came back.So my color test is not 100%.
So my heart is heavy and she will be missed.She was only 49 years old.triffid
http://www.apricotseeds.com.au/garrys-story3.html
Thanks for the article on apricots.
Another friend of mine passed away from liver cancer this week.I had not seen him for 20 years or more.Then another friend of mine told me her mother tried alternative methods of treating her cancer but died anyway and had spent lots of money on natural cures.I asked her which cures?But no reply yet.
According to Dr. Koch, who invented "glyoxylide", that is a cure for cancer and diabetes, plus other ailiments. The question is then are there any scientists on this board who can find Dr. Koch's work and reinvent the "glyoxylide" correctly and figure out proper dosages and such.
How disgustingly hideous that such a gifted and brilliant man, Dr. Koch, and others like him are relegated to the ash bin of human history while those seedy & greedy vermin who run the world show, for the moment, bask in their supreme ignorance and filth.
Tom Valentine had it dead on the nose.... Cancer Masons indeed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs
How do they live with themselves? More importantly, how will they live with themselves after they reach their uncomfortable destination?
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
I think most people are good at heart,its the corporations and agencies like the CIA that are heartless.You can google up sv40(supervirius 40) and still get tons of info of how the polio vacine was hijacked with cancer causing viriuses from monkeys.Millions of americans recieved these vaccines.http://sv40foundation.org/
Stop the aging process?Lets hope so! http://www.curebum.com/reneuve-telomerase-enzyme/ Just noticed they pack it in 80 proof grain alcohol to extend the shelf life on this one.I think I will wait a year on this one.
I'll drink to that! ;D
more info on what happens in your cells http://www.biochem.arizona.edu/classes/bioc462/462bh2008/462bhonorsprojects/462bhonors1999/bentley/ase.html as they age.triffid
I do not know if someone else has already posted this so I'll throw it out there. There's an herb called Pau Diarco. It's not a matter of "I heard this works" it is a matter of "I saw 3 terminal people get better". One lady in particular forgot to let the tea steep for 20 minutes .. just did 5... that alone stopped the growth of a "3 month you're dead" brain tumor. You can buy the whole root at health food stores (till the FDA shuts those down). It tastes something horrible. Do not do the ever so processed tincture forms.
Damiana also helps by cleaning up the blood. The only "bad" side effect is if you're male and wearing slacks.... you'll think you're 18 again.
Thanks for sharing http://www.paudarco.org/tea.php with the rest of us here.I found the website for the tea recipe.I'm still stinging from the loss of my friend.triffid
More info here .http://www.taheeboteaclub.com/?gclid=CKjNh6_FjaQCFcvr7Qod0FldIA
Quote from: triffid on September 16, 2010, 11:39:31 PM
Thanks for sharing http://www.paudarco.org/tea.php with the rest of us here.I found the website for the tea recipe.I'm still stinging from the loss of my friend.triffid
1. ) You get the bulk herb from a health food store. (Keywork: Bulk)
2. ) Bring Small pot of water to a boil.
3. ) Take it off the heat and put about a golf ball sized amount in the pot. (Who needs tablespoons when you got Golf Balls! I mean cmon!)
4. ) Put saucer over the pot and let steep for 20 minutes. Drink while it's hot as it will lose it's properties in the cooling process.
5. ) I should probably have said "Strain" it out into a cup but I find the entertainment value too great in people not doing that. It's like a can of fix a flat with "For external use only" on the side of it...
Here's an even more interesting thing:
A german study done on Hydrogen Peroxide found that stiring a teaspoon into a 12oz glass of water was enough to break the peroxide down so your body can safely process it. In a nutshell your body extracts the extra Oxygen molecules and passes em right off to your white blood cells. This actually super oxygenates your blood. The study compiled was about an inch thick and was a great read. Many Many Many testimonials.
Are you talking about grocery store(3%) hydrogen peroxide? Or something stronger?Do you have a link to that study?Just wondering.triffid
I didn't use the food grade one. I do not have a link. The study was printed and held together with binder clippings. Was about 15 years ago. I haven't done it in years. I should probably start back up but that goes in the same folder as "Quit Smoking","Do p90x again and lose some weight fatboy", and "Find a cure for male pattern baldness".
Study the results of Emoto's work with water....gives new meaning to the old term, "Holy Water".
"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." Hebrews 11:1
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Yes, with advancing age the insults come but be reminded that many fall along the way.Similar to something I once read in a nursing home when I came to visit someone else.triffid
Here is a website about Emoto's water.http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm think for yourself if emoto should be here or not.
What I would like water to tell me is where its been.Its been everywhere on this planet and recycled millions of times(maybe billion).I would hate to think that we know everything about water and that theres nothing new to discover about it.I don't know how to react to Dr.Emoto's work.triffid
This seems like a good place to buy pau diarco and other herbs in bulk.http://www.bestdealnutrition.com/bulk%20herbs%20P.htm triffid
Sorry I haven't been keeping up to date with this thread. A few pages back there was mention of George Lakhovsky and his MWO. I have been reading as much as I can about him and his MWO.
I have recently come across a website where they have found a couple of original units and have reverse engineered them. It is the best information I have found so far about the MWO.
Anyone who is seriously thinking about building an original replica, This is where to find the information. They have schematic diagrams of the unit and specifications and measurements of the aerials used. They also have building instructions with info on a couple of replications.
I highly recommend downloading their eBook. (I have no affiliation with them)
http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/index.htm
A passive loop of wire is the only MWO that I actually used.It did bring me pain relief from arthritis for a while.But after five months it quit working suddenly and while the remedy is to change wires I did not.triffid
Re: Cancer cure, but FDA and doctors would rather have your cash and not the cure.
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you really don't want to eat apple seeds.they contain a cyanide compound in them.Make a homemade
lakhovsky coil instead.Read www.copperhealth.com and (in my opinion)any copper wire is better than no copper wire.Make your own coil using any copper wire on hand.Don't run out to buy #10 guage copper,do that later if you want.Lakhovsky coils had a cure rate of 99% on cancer and the treatment dissappeared soon after his death in the early 1940's.triffid
I repeated my own post from page one of this thread.Yes I would go back to wearing a coil to fight off cancer. It could be too that eating apple seeds might be a way to fight cancer too since they contain B-17.triffid
I ate an apple and its seeds tonight.I feel ok.So I got some b-17 into my body tonight.triffid
I have found no apple seed treatments as such(for cancer) on the internet.Has anyone here heard of such a thing?triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 19, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
A passive loop of wire is the only MWO that I actually used.It did bring me pain relief from arthritis for a while.But after five months it quit working suddenly and while the remedy is to change wires I did not.triffid
The copper wrist bracelets that many people wear for arthritis are in reality Lakhovsky coils but I am not sure how accurate in length they are. The link that I supplied are for the Multiple Wave Oscillator that he built. There is also some information and pictures of his original coils on the site. I will have to look closer to see if he used the coil on cancer patients and what length they were. I will let you know.
It seemed to me that just tying wires around your waist,wrists,ankles were the right size.My wires were always insulated so no copper passes through the skin.I only heard of 30 cm loops being used for plants.I used wire flexable enough to be tied like a hillbilly ties a rope for a belt.The ends are never connected."Open ended loop of one turn" is the basis for a Lakhovsky coil.Stay true to that definition.triffid
Wear the wires loosely,not tight at all.be comfortable.
I found someone who included apple seeds as part of his treatment.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ADF3WGIxzA&feature=related
This clip shows the price people pay sometimes for listening to the beat of a different drum.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-06wR3kPNE0&feature=related
Seen that video a while ago. I would still like to know more about Dr. Koch and his research.
So for now I'm getting my b-17 from apple seeds.I get all the seeds out of the apple first.Crunch them up real good in my mouth,swallow,then eat the rest of the apple.I do get a bitter almond taste so that tells me I'm getting b-17.Over 1200 plants make b-17 so let them remove apples from the stores.Johnson grass has b-17 in it(so make a tea from it).I do not have cancer so this is preventative action.triffid
To learn more about B-17 Check out this series of video clips.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFnP9sU1KW4&feature=related
Also theres a link to "world without cancer" on page one of this thread.triffid
triffid,
I have been eating apple seeds for almost a year now. I usually eat an apple a day and the seeds it has in it. I do for preventative measures as well. I haven't looked into the apricot seeds yet.
It turnsout that eating the kernals from peach seeds may be a good idea too.I found out that vitamin B-12 contains cyanide too.But the cyanide is locked away in the molecule.So is the cyanide in B-17 until the cancer cell eats it.Remember the cyanide is "C triple bond N".This link shows a molecular drawing of vitamin B-12.http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images%3Fp%3Dvitamin%2Bb-12%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701&w=492&h=628&imgurl=www.aw-bc.com/mathews/CD/CYANCOB.GIF&rurl=http://www.aw-bc.com/mathews/ch20/b12.htm&size=8KB&name=Vitamin+B+12+Coe...&p=vitamin+b-12&oid=3afbf6910f553792d1d0b5ed217a1a4e&fr2=&no=11&tt=31300&sigr=119lafknh&sigi=114i7jg7a&sigb=12hs1cn22
I can see the cyanide molecule in the upper half of the diagram for B-12.So outlawing B-17 and not outlawing B-12 for containing cyanide seems unfair?triffid
To mark69.I think thats great!It seems a great way to stay cancer free.Cheap too!I lost my mom to cancer in 1994 and I lost three friends to cancer this past summer.Now that I know more about B-17 I can keep myself from cancer.Not much fun to lose dear friends to the chemo and radiation system they have today.Try a peach kernal too sometime.I know I will.triffid
I was chewing on the seeds from an apple every day for about a week some time ago after I first heard about this. Just wanted to see what would happen and how toxic they really are.
I found them pleasantly almond tasting. I also got the impression they're definitely not a neutral substance, which is to say, they do react with the body. For me their effect was like eating some very unripened fruit. I think if I ate a lot at one time they might give me a stomach ache, but I never ate enough to be sure of that. Similarly, I got a very mild sensation of my throat constricting, something like a lesser version of what I got one time after eating some boiled soy beans that hadn't been soaked for long enough if anyone knows what that's like. Neither of these reactions were strong enough though to prevent me from eating the seeds if I felt I had to or should.
I did however decide not to keep eating them as it was a bit of a hassle and I didn't see the point of trying to use them as a preventative measure. I concluded, rightly or wrongly I don't know, that eating them like that might be stressing my system unnecessarily. I mean just because something cures something doesn't necessarily mean it prevents it too. And then there's that thing about 'first, do no harm', which becomes problematic because in this case I just don't know what else the substances are doing. Also, generally speaking, I'd rather rely on preventative measures that revolve around what I don't do rather than things I have to add into the mix, so...each to their own though.
As an interesting aside, somewhere along the way, looking into this made me remember back to the mid 1970's when one of my friends told me his grandfather had told him that apple seeds contained 'cyanide'. Whether his grandfather also knew about the B17 too, I don't know, but it does make me think this information probably goes quite some way back in some form or another.
Following "Do no harm" would restrict your diet to a food co-op level. Things are so processed and manipulated now days it's hard to find any store bought product that doesn't harm you in some way or another. I'm a smoker (I know... I knooooowww!!!! you don't have to tell me) and it cracks me up when they same people telling me to quit are the same ones drinking diet sodas(aspertame) and eating at Chinese MSG Factories( Many Western Chinese restaurants).
triffid, sorry to hear about your history with cancer, it seems more and more that people are getting it. My guess is from the pollution in the air, water, and pesticides in the food.
lwh, I eat the seeds as a precaution due to the fact that many, if not all, people have cancer cells floating around in their bodies everyday. A healthy immune system takes care of them usually, but it doesn't hurt to give them more tools to do the job. Also, how often does someone know they have cancer before it gets bad? I also make and drink colloidal silver water from fall to spring, when everyone starts getting sick. I did not get sick this past year nor did I turn blue.
jardo, yeah, you can't overdo it, I tend to do that as well. Try starting out with just the seeds in the apple you have each day or start with one or two seeds a day and see if they affect you.
Since it turns out that vitamin B-12 has cyanide in it too.I guess it will be outlawed too.But wait,B-12 does not cure cancer while B-17 does.Does anyone here see a pattern here?Or is it just me?triffid
To Iwh,A while back I thought I was working with an acid and "felt" a burning on my skin.It turned out to be methanol which is an alcohol.There was no label on the stuff.So I got a surprise.Because I thought it was an acid I felt a burning on my skin until I realized it was methanol.
To Mark69,It appears that you only need trace amounts of B-17 for it to be effective.Normally I can't taste trace amounts of anything but I can taste the B-17 in the apple seeds.So that tells me its more than a trace amount.triffid
I saw today that someone ate up to 10 apricot kernals a day without ill affects.Now that I know vitamin B-12 has cyanide in it also I can see how lame the governments argument is that the cyanide in B-17 makes it toxic.I have seen the written law and it states that they only want cancer drugs made from petrochemicals(oil).Not natural cures that they can't make money from.triffid
To all the smokers out there,eating apple seeds may be the answer to keeping cancer out of your life if you will eat them.They don't do you any good unless you eat them.I have a friend who will have cancer free racoons because he was eating apples last month and left the cores outside for the racoons he said.I told him to eat the apple seeds from now on.triffid
It turns out that there may be many compounds in the body containing cyanide in it.Its amazing to me that they really don't want a cure for cancer because all the cashflow will end once a cure is accepted.The following video will tell you what is going on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFnP9sU1KW4&feature=related
I felt that today was a major breakthrough for me as I may have added 10 years or more to my life expectency by realizing how important it is to eat apple seeds from now on.triffid
I think too that the apple seeds are not as toxic as the government wants us to believe.I have read that people were taken to the hospital for cyanide poisoning from apple seeds or peach seeds but now I realize it may have been misinformation to keep everyone scared from trying them.In the end it is up to everyone to be accountable for their own health.I tried to tell my good friend about the baking soda treatment mentioned in this thread.I learned she bought a box of baking soda but never started taking the treatment on her own.When she told me last april she was going the radiation and chemo method I knew most likely she was going to die.But I didn't tell her that.She only did what her doctors told her.And what her doctors told her cost her her life.triffid
If people are going to eat apple seeds, I recommend chewing on them one by one or a small amount at a time (there are only five or so per apple anyway). I don't know enough about the digestive system to be sure, but I imagine the seeds could pass straight through you if you didn't chew them directly, or somehow get to the pulp inside them (where I assume the active ingredients are), as they're not that big and they do have a reasonably tough skin.
And again, just speaking for myself, in regards to their toxicity, I think I'd have to eat a ridiculous amount of the things to be poisoned by them. Not willing to test it out, but I imagine something in the order of hundreds or maybe even thousands of them. That's just the impression I'm under. So, yeah, there's either some deliberate misinformation out there, or at least some degree of sensationalism, or both. But that isn't really news is it?
Sounds good triffid, I haven't been doing the baking soda treatment as much as I should. I have a box of arm and hammer, which you guys said it has aluminum in it. I keep forgetting to get another brand from the store. Do you feel any differently from ingesting the baking soda from not taking it before?
lwh, yes, you are correct, you have to chew on them and open them up. Otherwise I think they wont be digested correctly and you will lose out on the benefits. I read somewhere that you shouldnt eat more then 7-10 apricot seeds, which are much larger then apple, but I dont remember where that was.
I agree about taking the apple seeds out of the apple and chewing the seeds by themself.I ate two apples today and I feel just fine.I also ate the seeds and maybe tomorrow I will eat a peach.Crack open the seed and eat the kernal.triffid
Here is some very detailed info about b-17 including statements that its totally nontoxic and that white bread is 70 times more toxic than b-17.More mice died on white bread and none died on the b-17.http://users.navi.net/~rsc/krebs3.htm
75 % of the mice fed white bread only for 90 days died.Vitamin B-17 is said to be as toxic as Vitamin C.The stories about Vitamin B-17 being toxic are false guys.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 25, 2010, 10:36:28 PM
Here is some very detailed info about b-17 including statements that its totally nontoxic and that white bread is 70 times more toxic than b-17.More mice died on white bread and none died on the b-17.http://users.navi.net/~rsc/krebs3.htm
For those who can't be bothered following that link. The page it leads to contains a summary of a talk given in 1970 by Ernst Theodor Krebs, Jr. who is described below -
"...A noted biochemist, Ernst Krebs, Jr. took his student work at Hahnemann Medical College in Philadelphia 1938-41. He received his AB at the University of Illinois in 1942; he did graduate work at the University of California during 1943-45, researching in pharmacology during the periods of 1942-45. He is science director of the John Beard Memorial Foundation, having held this position since 1946. He is the author of "Unitarian or Trophoblastic Thesis of Cancer" (1950); co-discoverer of pangamic acid (1948), the role of pancreatic enzymes in human cancer (1948-50), and the relevance of the nitrilosides (Vitamin B-17) to animal and human nutrition.
This paper is a summary of remarks presented in German before a congress of the International Medical Society for Blood and Tumor Disease, Nov. 7, 1970, in Baden-Baden, West Germany. On this occasion, the author received an award honoring his discovery and research on vitamin B-15 (pangamic acid) and vitamin B-17 (nitriloside)..."
Here are some excerpts from the summary -
"...Vitamin B-17 (nitriloside) is a designation proposed to include a large group of water-soluble, essentially non-toxic, sugary, compounds found in over 800 plants, many of which are edible..."
"...One of the most common nitrilosides (B-17 bearing substances) is amygdalin. This nitriloside occurs in the kernels of seeds of practically all fruits. The seeds of apples, apricots, cherries, peaches, plums, nectarines, and the like carry this factor; often in the extraordinary concentration of 2 to 3 per cent..."
"...As already mentioned, vitamin B-17 (Laetrile) is totally non-toxic. Its lethal dose in mice and rats, by injection, is about 25,000 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. It is so nearly non-toxic that in some studies the water, used as a diluent, presents a greater toxicity than the vitamin. This applies for acute, subacute and chronic toxicity. By mouth, in test animals it is less than 1/20 as toxic as aspirin...it is no more toxic than dextrose or ascorbic acid..."
"...Let us in summary simplify all this in terms of vitamin action. When vitamin B-17 enters the body (in foods, for example), it is hydrolyzed only to a very slight degree by body or somatic cells. This is obvious from the non-toxicity shown by B-17. But even if some of the B-17 is hydrolyzed by body or somatic cells, the very high concentration of the enzyme rhodanese in these cells converts the HCN immediately to relatively non-toxic thiocyanate. (This accounts largely for the thiocyanate that you find in blood, urine, saliva, etc., as stated above).
How different it is with the neoplastic cell! It contains great quantities of Beta-glycosidase. Fischman and many others in America have independently shown this in the case of Beta-glucuronidase. Sometimes there is over 1,000 times as much of this Beta-glycosidase as in the contiguous normal or body cell. The neoplastic cell is almost completely deficient in the enzyme rhodanese. Recall that when B-17 reaches the cancer cell the Beta-glycosidase there hydrolyzes it with the release of extremely large quantities of cyanide (relative to the situation in normal body cells). This selective effect occurs in a cell that is almost totally deficient in the enzyme rhodanese, which in normal body cells is present to detoxify cyanide to thiocyanate. Thus the end result of the presence of one enzyme that causes the selective release of hydrogen cyanide in cancer cells, plus an oxidative deficiency (fermentative metabolism) that causes a lag in benzaldehyde oxidation to benzoic acid, is the selective persistence of free or undetoxified cyanide plus free or unoxidized benzaldehyde which synergistically exert their selective antineoplastic effect..."
"...Because of our cultural antipathy to cyanide, our food technology has made every conceivable effort through processing, hybridizing, distilling, etc., to remove every trace of derivable cyanide from foods for man and animals. It is good that this irrationality has not to date, at least, completely removed the cyanide-containing vitamin B-12 or cyanocobalamin..."
"...Finally, let me conclude with this. In nitriloside or vitamin B-17 we have a new vitamin in which all of us are severely deficient. This fact is beyond question. As to the clinical application of vitamin B-17 (nitriloside) in human and animal cancer, we feel that every case is morally entitled to whatever vitamin B-17 can offer, just as every being stricken with scurvy, pellagra, or pernicious anemia is morally entitled, respectively, to vitamin C, niacin, vitamin B-12 and folic acid. Indeed, the matter goes far beyond clinical cancer itself. Mankind can not afford any longer a human and animal population deficient in vitamin C, vitamin B-12, vitamin B-15, vitamin B-17 or any other vitamin essential to animal or human nutrition..."
"...However, the capacity of political power for stupidity is truly infinite. We can not predict how long the orderly clinical study of crystalline vitamin B-17 will be delayed. But take some comfort in this. Were vitamin B-12 and folic acid completely proscribed tomorrow, liver would still offer complete salvation in pernicious anemia. Similarly, one gram of defatted apricot seed or kernel carries about 30 milligrams of nitriloside. Six or seven teaspoonful will supply what our clinical investigators consider an adequate oral dose--one gram.
It is best that the B-glucosidase enzyme be completely heat inactivated in such material..."
"...so we find that the nitriloside isolated and identified
over a century ago in Germany likewise is now achieving the status of a vitamin--vitamin B-17. Let us hope that like niacin it has at last left the chemical museum to serve the impelling needs of improved nutrition..."
I read all that, and was looking at vitamin B-17 more as a vitamin and not a drug, as something that used to be a more common part of our natural diet, but which has now become un-naturally lacking in the things we've 'chosen' to eat, and was thinking sure, must be good.
But, then I looked at this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin and the references linked within it, which contradict pretty much everything stated above.
Again, it's up to the individual how they choose to see the truth in these matters and how they choose to act on that.
What I need is a way to counter all these grains of salt I have to keep taking with every bit of official and alternative information I find. With so much bullshit dished up by the authorities and those who oppose them, I get the feeling the real point gets missed altogether more often than not.
I prefer to trust the chemists who are not being paid by big corporations or political parties.By experimenting on myself a little(I have a BS in chemistry).Maybe I can learn "the truth" which is what I want in the first place.I have had no ill effects from eating apple seeds.I don't know about peach seeds.They may contain tannic acid which is what the leaves of the tree contain.Tannic acid is not Vitamin b-17.I will not know until I try them.I do know that radiation and chemo have an over 90% kill rate.triffid
I really am surprised that the tobacco companies have not hit upon B-17 as a way to keep their customers that they lose to lung cancer every year alive for continued profits.triffid
At this point I will recommend everyone eat the apple seeds.Seeing how cheap they are to get.Seeing how we have had apples for hundreds of years.triffid
I do not like the baking soda treatment.It may work.Maybe drinking soda water from a bottle would it more acceptable?Also more expensive.
http://www.waiworld.com/waisays/index.html
The Wai sites are the result of doing research for a book. Originally we were just doing research about the relation between diet and the skin, but the more scientific studies we read (mostly financed by pharmaceutical companies), the more we discovered that 'they' very well know the causes of major diseases, which they publicly pretend not to know.
The reason is that those studies are financed for one reason only: to make money. These pharmaceutical companies are not there to make us healthier, they are just there to make money, by 'exploring pharmaceutical solutions'. They don’t want you to know the causes of diseases and prevent them, they just want you to buy their drugs. And since these are commercial companies, it would be unfair to expect any differently.
The problem is, however, that our healthcare system relies on findings from such scientific studies, mostly financed by pharmaceutical companies, either directly or indirectly (sponsoring of universities). This system is therefore 'designed' to make us more dependent on drugs than to prevent disease.
Do we want that?
My friends, it does not take a rocket scientist to decide whether something is toxic or not.
Many animals would eat whole apples, like wild bores for example. Even domesticated pigs are given apples in their diet as viable food. Observe the nature and follow its example I say.
even whole corn will go thru a pig or cow intact. many seeds are spread in this manner.
what makes you think having a few seeds pass thru your gut intact will do anything.
I would not believe most things written or stated by Wikipedia as it is the opinions of those who created it and the articles, so any B.S. can be stated in there. I agree with you guys about the pharma companies, they exist for profit only. Long ago have they stopped searching for cures. Now concentrating all their power and finances on finding ways to "allow you to live with diseases" that they can control, as long as you take their drugs, and continue to suffer in this matter. Then of course you need more drugs to counteract the side effects caused by the drugs they have given you. Any independent scientist or doctor that says they have something that will actually cure a disease is immediately attacked and treated as an outcast until their reputation or career is ruined.
Quote from: Mark69 on September 27, 2010, 10:15:10 AM
I would not believe most things written or stated by Wikipedia as it is the opinions of those who created it and the articles, so any B.S. can be stated in there. I agree with you guys about the pharma companies, they exist for profit only. Long ago have they stopped searching for cures. Now concentrating all their power and finances on finding ways to "allow you to live with diseases" that they can control, as long as you take their drugs, and continue to suffer in this matter. Then of course you need more drugs to counteract the side effects caused by the drugs they have given you. Any independent scientist or doctor that says they have something that will actually cure a disease is immediately attacked and treated as an outcast until their reputation or career is ruined.
I fully agree with you.
Just look at the drug commercials on TV. The side effects are sometimes worse then the reason you are taking the drug for in the first place. I really believe that there are many cures out there for cancer, aids.... but if people were cured, the pharmaceutical companies would loose billions in revenue.
I saw tonight a story in the news about a new drug for terminal pancreatic cancer patients. This drug will give you an additional 4 months of life for only $90,000.00
I am posting this link to show how the drug companies divide up a "new cancer" drug.Pay attention as to who gets what.http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2010/09/27/daily10-Millennium-hits-high-note-with-co-developed-lymphoma-drug-.html
According to terms of the joint development agreement between the two companies, the Takeda Group, the parent company of Millennium, has commercialization rights to brentuximab vedotin globally, except for the U.S. and Canada; Seattle Genetics holds the U.S. and Canadian commercialization rights. Development costs of the drug are even split between the two companies, except in Japan, where the Takeda Group fully covers the development costs.
Whole seeds do pass through the gut of an animal unharmed and ready to sprout if conditions are right where the dung was dropped.Thats why one must take the effort to extract the apple seeds and crunch them into tiny,tiny pieces or you will not get the B-17 in them.I have found two seedless apples in the bag I bought.What a horrible thought.To think I found an apple seed cure and they are trying to make seedless apples.I'm still feeling fine.No ill effects from the apple seeds.triffid
One of the most common nitrilosides (B-17 bearing substances) is amygdalin. This nitriloside occurs in the kernels of seeds of practically all fruits. The seeds of apples, apricots, cherries, peaches, plums, nectarines, and the like carry this factor; often in the extraordinary concentration of 2 to 3 per cent..."
So nectarines have B-17 in them too.Plums too.Get those christmas nutcrackers out from storage and use them to keep yourself and loved ones cancer free.I think 6 to ten a day is ok.triffid
2 to 3 percent is not a trace amount.Most medicines on the the shelf have active ingredients of 2 percent or less.Trace amounts are measured in partspermillion(PPM) and partsperbillion(PPB). triffid
1930, April The Dallas-based law firm of Waters & Kraus announced today (March 2002) that it has received documents as a result of the discovery process in the case of Counter v. Eli Lilly & Company, et al, currently pending in Brazoria County, Texas that come from the archives of Eli Lilly & Company. The documents clearly demonstrate that Lilly's thimerosal product, the mercury-based vaccine preservative implicated in a number of recent law suits as causing neurological injury to infants, was known as early as April 1930 to be dangerous.
We the people were lied to for profit.Read about these other forms of population control.http://www.rense.com/PopulationControl.pdf
More tales from the crypt.1968 - 69 The Hong Kong flu, which was influenza A type H3N2, killed over 30,000 people in the U.S. alone.That was a fortuitous learning event for some because it taught themthat the flu could still conceivably be used to wipe out a population. But at the same time, it pointed out the need to precondition the populace so thatthose who might normally be resistant could be rendered susceptible. Hence the development of the vaccine program and the aerial spraying procedures to condition the population. The purpose of the chemicals in the chemtrail's is to help the viral envelope fuse with lung cells, permitting easier penetration and infection.
OnOctober 5, 1976, just as the so-called "SWINE FLU" inoculation programwas getting under way, news reports suddenly told us that we were experiencing fallout froman alleged Chinese atmospheric nuclear blast on
September 26. Oddly enough, the initial reports about this came fromthe East Coast, especially Pennsylvania,New Jersey, Delaware, and Connecticut; but certain areas of the Pacific Northwest were soonmentioned as
being affected too. We were told that radioactive iodine-131 was showing up inmilk at various locations; but we were also assured, as we invariably are whenever any radioactive hazard appears, that there was really no danger. In the days that followed we continued to hear about the supposed Chinese fallout, but other things probably seemed evenmore worrisome. For example, elderly people began dying of heart attacks shortly after taking swine flu shots, causing widespread alarmat first. But the Government quickly assured us that their deaths didn't reallymatter at all, that they would have died anyway; and the swine flu inoculation program went right back into high gear.
I lived through this mess.After one guy young like me died from this vaccine.I never trusted vaccines again I was about 25 then.I still don't trust the 36 vaccines they want to give your kids now.triffid
1987 Dr Louis Elsas, Professor of Pediatrics & Genetics at Emory University, testified before Congress; "Aspartame is in fact a well known neurotoxin and teratogen [triggers birth defects] which in some undefined dose will irreversibly in the developing child or fetal brain, produce adverse effects I amparticularly angry at this type of advertising that is promoting the sale of a neurotoxin in the childhood age group." [Nov 2, 1987] Neurosurgeon RussellBlaylock, MD, declares Aspartame is a toxin like arsenic and cyanide that causes confusion, disorientation, seizures, cancer, pancreatic, uterine, ovarian and brain tumors and leads to Alzheimer's. Read Excitotoxins, the Taste That Kills [505-474-0303]. Hear Dr. Blaylock's radio interview on
www.dorway.com' Courageous whistleblowers like these have spoken in three congressional hearings, but industry's lobbying and political action keep the poison in the foods of the world. Our recourse as consumers is personal communication since the media is paid by advertising to push Nutrasweet/Equal/Diet Coke, etc..
1993 The FDA approved aspartame as an ingredient in numerous food items that would always be heated to above 86°degrees F (30°Degrees C). An act that can only be described as "unconscionable". 1996, 27 June without public notice, the FDA removed all restrictions fromaspartame allowing it to be used in everything, including all heated and baked goods. The truth about aspartame's toxicity is far different than what the NutraSweet Company would have you readers believe.Remember this causes cancer too.
The multi-billion dollar aspartame industry would like you believe that "aspartame kills" is an "urban legend" and that you'd have to drink 100 cans of diet soda a day to be harmed by aspartame. This is just simply not true. Their main claim is that the 3 components of aspartame are found in many natural foods and are therefore safe. This is kind of like saying carbon monoxide is safe because all it contains is carbon & oxygen, the same components of carbon dioxide. Methanol (wood alcohol), which makes up 10% of aspartame and is highly toxic (adult minimum lethal dose is 2 teaspoons), is also found in some fruits & vegetables like tomatoes. However, methanol is never found in natural foods without ethanol & pectin, its "antidotes" if you will (detailed facts below). Ethanol & pectin prevent methanol from being metabolized into formaldehyde (embalming fluid) & formic acid (same chemical as fire ant venom), both deadly toxins. An ethanol drip is even the standard emergency room treatment for methanol poisoning. Aspartame contains no ethanol or pectin, therefore the methanol is converted to formaldehyde and formic acid. Phenylalanine and aspartic acid, the other 2 components of aspartame, are amino acids found in natural foods but always as part of long chains of many different amino acids to form complex protein molecules that take humans 12 hours to gradually break down & assimilate. According to the doctors below, when consumed by themselves these 2 amino acids require no digestion and quickly enter the brain & central nervous system at abnormally high levels, overstimulating brain cells to death and causing many other health problems.
Other evils of aspartame, http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
Blindness,MS,etc
Triffid, that is a lot of info. I stopped drinking diet sodas for those reasons and staying away form stuff with high fructose corn syrup. I believe that HF corn syrup is the cause of the diabetes explosion we are seeing in people now.
I am looking into MMS now, been watching TUBE videos and such people here have posted. It looks like that really is a miracle solution to cure many health issues. I am very interested in MMS mainly for the fact that it has been proven to cure Malaria, as I often go to country's that have malaria epidemics. Looking at Oceans Lab, www.oceanslab.org Has anyone dealt with this company and can give feedback??
This man was nearly dead at age 48 and today he is 74 yo.He changed his life by changing what he put into his body.He does not tire easily ,does not get sick.He was on www.coasttocoastam last night.http://www.beyondhealth.com
“The next major advance in the health of the American people will be
determined by what the individual is willing to do for himself.â€
John Knowles, former president
The Rockefeller Foundation
TWO CAUSES OF DISEASE
Cellular malfunction is the one disease, and there are only two reasons why cells malfunction. • Deficiency, the lack of something cells need to function normally • Toxicity, the presence of something that interferes with normal cell functionTo simplify, think of deficiency and toxicity this way: too little or too much. Deficiency and toxicity occur for many reasons, including a person’s thoughts, emotions, and beliefs.
Over the past several decades, the biological sciences have advanced rapidly, but the practice of medicine has not advanced with it. Conventional medicine remains stuck in its outmoded drug and surgery paradigm, and is now more than 100 years behind the science.The average physician is becoming increasingly irrelevant; you can’t depend on your doctor to keep you well or restore your health. Even worse, the techniques used by modernmedicine are so dangerous that several analyses have indicated that medical intervention isnow our leading cause of death. As a result, costs are out of control and our healthcaresystem is in crisis. We need an effective alternative.
In the second half of the show, MIT educated chemist Dr. Raymond Francis shared his approach to health. There is really only one disease, he said, and that is the malfunctioning of cells, which is brought about by either deficiencies or toxicities. The body can become imbalanced by ingredients as aspartame and MSG, and people should take care to avoid them, as well as sugar, and wheat, he outlined.
While he advocated taking supplements like Vitamin C, Francis advised people to seek out quality products (he offers a free report on choosing the right supplements). A critic of the American system of medicine, he suggested that their whole paradigm is wrong-- "only 10-15% has any basis in science, and the rest of it...is just basically a collection of anecdotes, and that's why it doesn't work." Modern medicine is all about suppressing the symptoms of disease with drugs and surgery, instead of looking at the roots causes of a problem, he added.
http://www.beyondhealth.com
If you can't afford his pills that he sells you can avoid the foods he says to avoid.triffid
Food is meant to be harvested ripe and consumed soon after. Today food is harvested before it is ripe so it can be shipped, but this drastically reduces the nutritional content by as much as 80 percent. The time spent in getting to market reduces nutrition. Fresh produce is days to weeks old before it gets to the store, and some of it has been in storage for a year or more. Food is remarkably hardy, but nutrients are not. Nutrients are easily lost
or destroyed, and this process begins soon after the produce is harvested. For example, spinach loses 60 percent of its folic acid in three days. Vegetables such as asparagus,broccoli and green beans typically lose 50 percent of their vitamin C before they reach the produce counter. Cooking these vegetables results in even more losses, including another 25 percent of the vitamin C, 70 percent of vitamin B1 and 50 percent of B2. Studies on
“fresh†oranges have found that many contain no vitamin C whatsoever! These so-called “fresh†oranges are harvested green, stored in warehouses, artificially colored and sold asfresh. Eating a “balanced diet†is not as easy as it sounds.
Prescription drugs, which are taken by half the American population, especially our elderly,only add to the problem by creating more nutritional deficiencies. For example, millions of people take cholesterol-lowering drugs, but these drugs deplete crucial nutrients such as coenzyme Q10 as well as vitamins and minerals including A, B12, D, E, calcium, magnesium and zinc. Such nutrient loses affect everyone, but in older people nutrient uptake is already compromised and nutrients are utilized less efficiently. If you choose to take prescription drugs, it is important to research how those drugs affect nutrients so that you can supplement your diet accordingly. This is information your doctor may not tell youâ€"information he or she may not even know.
It sort of says that you can't trust the foods in the supermarket to keep you healthy.And maybe home gardens could be a big advantage here.
I have no contact with oceanlabs,never bought anything from them.triffid
I'm still eating the apple seeds.No ill effects.Tomorrow I will try peach seeds.Two of them.triffid
A discussion of the clinical details of vitamin B-17, nitriloside in animal and human cancer is best left to our clinical students of the subject. They are faced with the fact that today more people per 100,000 of the population are developing cancer and dying from it at an earlier age than any other time in recorded history of the human race. At least one in three of the population develops clinical cancer and probably all develop subclinical neoplasms in the course of a lifetime. The situation, in our opinion, almost identifies itself in terms of a fulminating deficiency disease a priori. As our veterinary friends tell us, even our cats and dogs are showing an incidence of cancer parallel to that of their "civilized" owners. Observe how quickly these animals when released from an apartment or kennel will single out (and eat) such nitriloside-rich grasses as Johnson grass, Tunis grass or Sudan grass as a supplement to their diet. Some of these grasses contain as much as 17,000 mg of nitriloside per kilogram of dry weight!
I ate my two peach seed kernals today at 10 am and here I am typing this post four hours later at 2 pm.No ill effects.So now I think that the stories about B-17 being toxic are totally false.I feel just fine.triffid
Who can trust a government like this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101001/ts_nm/us_usa_guatemala_experiment
The cancer lies continue to this day.I saw an ad on tv for St.Judes hospital the other day.Its where children go when they have cancer.It was pretty heart wrenching to know these children are being used to prop up a failed healthcare system.triffid
I think back on the years that people were in my life but they died from cancer
So at the time I thought there was nothing I could do.Now I know that seeds and grasses(broad leaf) contain B-17.Which is what nature provides us with.This was known in 1952 one year after I was born.triffid
Its 8AM the next morning and I still feel fine from eating the kernals from two peach seeds yesterday.I had a bitter taste in my mouth for a while.But no ill effects.So the official story that B-17 is toxic seems designed to scare people away from it.I do not trust the official story anymore.Lets start telling stories about radiation and chemo being toxic.triffid
agreed, still looking into MMS as well...
I ate two more peach seed kernals today and no ill effects.It makes me wonder what other outright lies there are out there!triffid
Three days of eating peach seed kernals and no ill effects.I feel just fine.
I feel certain that B-17 is safe.triffid
Apparently a mineral called 'zeolite' - from volcano's is both a preventative and a cure for cancer...depending on the amount ingested.
It is taken in concentrated drops for serious conditions and chocolate in its preventative form.
I am looking into various sources, as the first source was a multi-level marketing company.
The testimonials are impressive...relating to a host of conditions.
Regards...
Search for Black Salve. Any one suffering from cancer who wishes for this nfo email my self the non profit org will give it to you for FREE
(http://www.doctorsaredangerous.com/)
Ash
No ill effects from eating natural b-17.Only cost the price of food.apples,peaches ,etc.I use bricks to crack my seeds but you can use pliers too.triffid
Try and get the organic ones my friend, did any body research black salve, try on Utube, the DVD is amazing with real stories.
Thanks ash,
I was reading up last week, but never thought to check ytube.
Regards...
I get the bitter taste from storebought fruit seed kernals.So that tells me I'm getting ample amounts of b-17 without paying high prices for" organic forms"
of fruits.I am so happy I found a way to keep me from getting cancer.Trying to convince others is difficult with all the brainwashing going on in the media.triffid
Thanks for the link to dangers of mercury.http://www.doctorsaredangerous.com/articles/mercury.htm
too many people being tricked into getting flu shots.Thars mercury in them thar flu shots!triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 05, 2010, 11:21:36 PM
I get the bitter taste from storebought fruit seed kernals.So that tells me I'm getting ample amounts of b-17 without paying high prices for" organic forms"
of fruits.I am so happy I found a way to keep me from getting cancer.Trying to convince others is difficult with all the brainwashing going on in the media.triffid
Thanks for your good news my friend, we are putting together ALL the Alt and suppressed cancer cure resources we can find, some we even purchased onto a FREE resource should be done next year soon. The doctors are dangerous e-book i am giving to suffers free, so email me if you need it.
Ash
Just learned more this morning about vitamin C.It appears that 25 million years ago the group of mammals that led to humans lost the ability to make their own vitamin C in their bodies.Todays cat or dog can make 4000 mg a day in their bodies despite their small size.So it takes only 60mg in humans a day to prevent scurvey.But it takes almost 1500 mg a day to see vast improvements in energy and cancer prevention.Vitamin pills are loaded with fillers or sugars.So it is hard to buy a vitamin C pill that gives you 1500 mg a day.So I looked for natural sources .It seems that rose hips give you twenty times the vitamin C of oranges,Here is a website for making your own rose hip teas.http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/michael-brooks/rose-hips.htm
Keep up the good info coming in! :D
Mark
Quote from: ashtweth_nihilisti on October 27, 2010, 07:46:45 PM
...did any body research black salve, try on Utube, the DVD is amazing with real stories.
Yeah mate, had a look on youtube after you mentioned black salve. Some very convincing video's there, I have no doubt the stuff's as effective as claimed. Thanks for the tip.
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2010, 07:59:43 AM
...Todays cat or dog can make 4000 mg a day in their bodies despite their small size...Vitamin pills are loaded with fillers or sugars.So it is hard to buy a vitamin C pill that gives you 1500 mg a day...
That's interesting about the cats and dogs, not just that they can produce it, but how much of it.
There are some Vitamin C supplements that actually have Rosehips in their formula. But as you say, most of them by far are full of other crap and don't even use straight-up ascorbic acid at all.
I guess I was supprised too just how much vitamin C cats and dogs make daily in their bodies.So I ask the questions do space aliens( if they exist
)make vitamin C in their bodies?Will cats and dogs become a source of vitamin C for humans?Can genetists reinsert the lost genes for making vitamin C?Into humans?Just wondering.triffid
The vitamin C test would separate the space aliens from us humans who can't make it in our bodies.Just kidding about eating cats and dogs although they do eat them in some parts of the world.And I'm pretty serious about getting the genes back for making vitamin C.4000 mg a day might prevent some cancers.I will stick with vitamin b-17 for now.triffid
I heard the vitamin C talk again and they said that taking 500 mg a day increases your lifespan another 6 years.So I started taking 1000 mg a day.triffid
some news on seven major causes of death.takes about 30 minutes to go through.cancer is included. https://www.web-purchases.com/HSI/E6EAM4FD/landing.html?sessionID=@ng5HAdCK&o=331316&u=46898913&l=245616&g=84&r=Milo&s=334100 triffid
Thanks trif,
There is another natural cancer cure called 'Chaga'.
It is a fungal growth which forms on dying white birch trees...its everywhere.
Just do a search and read what else it does.
Regards...
Captain you are right it does more than cancer.Here is a link to case histories of those who received a benefit from using it. http://www.chagamushroom.com/chaga_case_studies.htm For some people their blood pressure went back to normal after four months. triffid
That is an excellent link trif, great find.
Regards...
Im still real big on eating apple seeds to get your b-17 to fight cancer.Here seems to be a new player suppressed from the 1940's.
The graviola tree,]http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2107/467/10000_Times_Stronger_Killer_Of_Cancer_Than_Chemo_-_Do_Share_It:_Amazing_Video.htm (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2107/467/10000_Times_Stronger_Killer_Of_Cancer_Than_Chemo_-_Do_Share_It:_Amazing_Video.html)
triffid
I'm all for natural and alternative cures but you really need to be careful putting out this info on apple seeds. If someone just happens across it and decides to eat a bunch of them they could die. Apple seeds have a cyanide like poison in them. It may be possible that this works like chemotherapy (kill the cancer by almost killing the patient and then hope the patient will recover) but there are much better ways and better cures than this. MMS is one of the better ones and very affordable too. $20 can get you a years supply. Goolge "Jim Humble MMS".
I have been eating apple seeds with no ill effect.The seeds from one apple a day does me no harm.If I had cancer I would push that up to three apples a day for 3 months or longer.I have eaten the seeds from three apples in one day with no harm to me.
I used to buy into that lie too about apple seeds being poisonous.Not anymore.triffid
Vitamin B-12 has cyanide in its structure So does vitamin B-17.There are no attempts to make vitamin B-12 illegal.Only the one thats been shown to stop cancer in its tracks.B-17 occurs in nuts and seeds so cancer results from a lack of it.Not because of it.Dogs get cancer only when theyare forced to eat a manmade diet.If they can run free they will eat the B-17 loaded broad leaf grasses that contain loads of it.When dogs get sick they will eat grass if they can.I will not be eating grass however.Just apple seeds and tangerine seeds.Those I can buy for the price of food.triffid
I know eating a very small amount of them won't kill you but if a person ate about a 1/2 cup or 4 oz. of them it could kill. It's not a lie that they contain cyanide compounds. Chemists are not lying about that fact and I trust natural nutrionists are not lying about it either. All I am saying is that before pushing that as a cancer cure you should take some responsibility in clarifying that eating too much of them can kill you. If you don't agree with that then okay but now that I've posted it at least people have awareness of the potential danger. I am very strongly against mainstream medicine as practiced in America and am very strongly for alternative and natural cures but there are some (such as a couple particular herbs) that are dangerous. People just need to be aware and not blindly start popping apple seeds thinking they are totally safe in an unlimited amount because they are simply in a natural food item. Would you agree with that?
I eat apple seeds each day from an apple I have as well. There are no side effects. I have been doing this probably for 2 years now.
Someone who is healthy may be fine with just eating that small amount. If you have a compromised liver, kidney or some other health issues you may not do so well. But my point is unless someone is aware of the toxicity of it as little as a few ounces of seeds can kill a person. Most people drink chlorinated water all the time. But drink even a small amount concentrated chlorine liquid and you'll be dead. I just want people to be aware you can't eat a bunch of apple seeds if you think you are sick and expect to get better without the possibility that your 'cure' may kill you. There are a lot of 'not so smart' people out there and if rumor got around that eating apple seeds cures cancer someone might eat a bunch and die. It's not like it's a drug or herb you have to go buy so the common access of apple seeds lends the higher probability that someone who 'heard about this cure' might start eating a bunch. Also a big part of how toxic they will be for a person is related to whether they chew them a lot before swallowing them. If you swallow them whole they will usually just pass through your system but if chewed they release hydrogen cyanide and enough of that at once can be deadly.
I am not worried about apple seeds.I used to believe the LIE that they were dangerous.Vitamin B-12 has cyanide in it just as much as B-17 but does vitamin B-12 get the same bad press?Nooooooo.Of course not.triffid
Don't believe me on vitamin B-12 ?Just look up the structure on the internet.Its there.All you have to do is look!
People generally know to not eat several bottles of vitamin B-12. So you are still missing my point. It is simply to point out that eating a whole lot of apple seeds can be dangerous and that is a lot more likely to happen than someone gobbling down several bottles of B-12. Do you agree that eating 4 or 5 ounces of apple seeds would be a very bad idea? They say that much would kill you. I'm not saying you personally need to worry about what you are doing. I just know how people communicate and someone reads here that eating apple seeds cures cancer and tells a friend. That friend tells some old lady who got cancer recently. She's got an apple tree in her yard. So she starts eating apple seeds like there's no tomorrow. And for here there is no tomorrow because she just died from an overdose of cyanide compounds. That is the scenario I don't want to see happen.
And I would hate to see the same little old lady die from an overdose of chemo and radiation(less than 10 percent survival rate).Here is a link to a pdf file telling you all about vitamin B-17. http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/FINALGUIDEUKpdfEbook.pdf (http://www.worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/FINALGUIDEUKpdfEbook.pdf)
triffid
Here is the reason its hard to overdose on apple seeds.I would eat the seeds from three apples daily myself if I had cancer or just one a day to prevent it.Laetrile and vitamin B-17 are different names for the same substance.I do not think 4 or 5 ounces a day of apple seeds would harm anyone.Except in the way of choking.
When Laetrile comes in contact with the enzyme beta-glucosidase, the
Laetrile is broken down to form two molecules of glucose, one molecule of benzaldehyde and one molecule
of hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Within the body, the cancer cellâ€"and only the cancer cellâ€"contains that
enzyme. The key word here is that the HCN must be FORMED. It is not floating around freely in the
Laetrile and then released. It must be manufactured. The enzyme betaâ€"glucosidase, and only that enzyme,
is capable of manufacturing the HCN from Laetrile thereby affecting the cancer cellâ€"and only the cancer
cell. If there are no cancer cells in the body, there is no beta-glucosidase. If there is no beta-gllucosidase,
no HCN will be formed from the Laetrile. The normal cells in our organism contain an enzyme called
Rodhanese which "neutralises" the Amygdalin. This enzyme does not allow the Amygdalin to release the
cyanide. In this way, Amygdalin only serves as glucose to healthy cells providing energy.
I guess we will just have to have a difference of opinion on that. There are many many alternatives to chemotherapy and apple seeds. MMS as found by Jim Humble is one of the best that I have seen in almost 50 years of looking into alternative cures. Others involve a fairly extensive regimen of herbs and diet with support of multiple modes of healing.
And the grand daddy cure all of them all is the leaf of the demonized marijuana plant.
Eaten in its raw form, it will never get you 'high', and will cure anything, plus regenerate all your organs, and even regulate your weight.
Regards...
So your saying dont save up your roaches just eat them? I thought was just to keep from getting busted. lol
Well thats alright to have a difference of opinion.Apple seeds for me and my brother likes to drink baking soda water daily to keep him from getting cancer.So we are doing our own thing.And we had the same mom and dad. Best regards,triffid
Well here is a link to Jim humbles MMS and it does seem to cost only 21 dollars for a years supply.FDA is trying to shut them down here in the usa. http://humblemiraclemineral.com/miracle-mineral-supplement-back-on-the-market/ (http://humblemiraclemineral.com/miracle-mineral-supplement-back-on-the-market/) triffid
just how much industrial bleach can you drink? i can treat 80,000 litres of pool water all summer with 40 kilos
of pool chlorine, which isn't very differant.
fritznien
Quote from: triffid on May 13, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
Well here is a link to Jim humbles MMS and it does seem to cost only 21 dollars for a years supply.FDA is trying to shut them down here in the usa. http://humblemiraclemineral.com/miracle-mineral-supplement-back-on-the-market/ (http://humblemiraclemineral.com/miracle-mineral-supplement-back-on-the-market/) triffid
Yep, Everything was good for several years (around 2006 was when Humble first posted his info on MMS and his free ebook that covers a great deal of info and his cure of thousands of cases of supposedly incurable Malaria - well documented). Then recently the big pharmaceutical cartels started getting worried about profit losses. One example I know of personally: a very elderly lady was put in the hospital for a minor issue. She contracted a cdiff (abreviation of a common bacterial infection most often caught in hospitals) which causes bad diarrhea. They gave her antibiotics which did not work on it. They then wanted to give here a weeks worth of a 'better' antibiotic that would have cost her $1000.00 US dollars. Do you think they want to lose that kind of money on something that works great for pennies and doesn't even need a prescription? So the cartel began pushing the FDA to shut down this thorn in their profit structure. Old Jim Humble is no dummy though so he formed the 'Church of Healing' and because of the U.S. laws that prevent the government from messing with religion it has been difficult for them to do anything. I've watched the battle for several years.
Then you have uninformed people (or maybe more pharma-cartel trolls) who try to tell you it is bleach. It is not when mixed as per instructions. I am very in tune with my own body and I can say from experience it has done wonders for me in a number of cases and I have not suffered any ill effects. The best thing anyone can do right now is read Jim's book or books (several updated ones available for a small amount have new information that may be valuable but his first big book is free) and then get yourself some powdered sodium chlorite flakes (1 pound for around $20 is enough for an average use regimen that will last about 7 years. And get some of the dark bottles and some citric acid crystals although you can use lemon juice, lime juice etc.) I don't sell any of this but I'm saying to get it while you can as it is possible they may figure out a way to stop sales (somewhat doubtful though if you have done the research since they would have to call their selves liars in other statements about this substance and they have never been able to suppress colloidal silver completely for similar reasons). You'll even find some real medical doctors and dentists (rare but a few have integrity) who are promoting the benefits of MMS.
I used to work for pepsi cola once upon a time and we treated the water going into the soda pop.I did quality control for them for four years.I used powdered lime and sodium hypochlorite to treat the water and passed that thru a charcoal filter to remove the chlorine.Plus the fact that mr.jim humble is a chemist and he made the discovery by accident.(I made one too in another area about 7 years ago).Made me warm up to his MMS a little more.I never heard of it before you mentioned it here.I agree 1000% with him about the FDA.I like the fact that theres a little chemistry involved and need to read his first free book.triffid
Back in the 1990's I learned how to make colloidal silver.It amused me that I could make gallons of it and it was selling for such a high price.About 70 dollars for a small bottle.
Just to let you know theres a lot of fake silver bars coming in from china.Their weights are off a little like 28 grams ,should be 31 grams at least.But the fakers are getting better at the weights.
I have citric acid already in the form of "Ball's fruit fresh produce protector".I forget what percent it is.About $5.00 for five ounces.I had bought it for another project.triffid
Forget it it has vitamin c in it which is not supposed to be good for MMS.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5188671_make-sodium-chlorite.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_5188671_make-sodium-chlorite.html) tells how to make it at home.
Not too bad.
I would not use iodized salt however so look for salt without iodine.triffid
Look what I found! http://www.ehow.com/how_7268589_use-miracle-mineral-solution.html (http://www.ehow.com/how_7268589_use-miracle-mineral-solution.html)
Seek and ye may find!