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Title: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: bobo36us2 on June 01, 2008, 09:11:45 AM
You must click on all three.  Short and easy reads.

http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/free1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/free2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/free3.htm

Thoughts?????
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: pese on June 01, 2008, 09:23:00 AM
can?t work
Pese

Ask me not why.

Lot answars was discussed here for that
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: bobo36us2 on June 01, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
Yes, please tell me why you think this will not work.

I have searched for some more information on this
site, and can not find any.

Bobo
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: AB Hammer on June 01, 2008, 02:22:19 PM
I agree with Pese. It won't work. There is no way to control what you want the water to do. I have done water test and unless you are under a creek or somewhere that the water is above you so you can step it down and then you should use a water wheel instead. It is better. To force water up you would need a centrifuge at about 60 rounds per minute and you then could force water up the tube only twice its distance from the level of the mass and the pressure from centrifugal force. Not very exciting.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: hansvonlieven on June 01, 2008, 04:56:37 PM
G'day all,

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fmj_17870%2Ftank1.jpg&hash=e37ec549fa41b8467a23884e4d61013be9a9e4e3)

Want anti-gravity in your home, there it is. Why does the water hang inside the glass like that? Because if it fell it would cause
the air above it to become so low in pressure that it would create a vacuum. So the air, in it's attempt to stay at standard
pressure has enough attractive force to hold the water in place against the force of gravity.


The guy obviously does not understand physics. It is a vacuum at the top that holds the water column in place via the atmospheric pressure on the tank below. He should study some elementary physics before he designs devices.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: Sprocket on June 01, 2008, 08:53:56 PM
He mentions the vaccuum effect in the first page - the gravity thing was obviously tongue-in-cheek...
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 03:51:05 AM
Well, but then he carries on with this

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fmj_17870%2Ftank1b.jpg&hash=7a7020ff0bc8d0784c2923090b5fd1cb67dd8d0a)

nuff said

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: powercat on June 02, 2008, 11:02:49 AM
Hi hansvonlieven

A friend of mine, is asking about a device called a billabong pump,a solar
water pump,normaly used on top of bore holes.
any info on this

thanks
pc
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: zerotensor on June 02, 2008, 11:26:56 AM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 03:51:05 AM
Well, but then he carries on with this

(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2Fmj_17870%2Ftank1b.jpg&hash=7a7020ff0bc8d0784c2923090b5fd1cb67dd8d0a)

nuff said

Hans von Lieven

By adding a radiator to the vacuum chamber, this could be adapted to work as a quasi-"heat pump" motor, sort of like a stirling engine.  Better as a demonstration of simple thermodynamics than as a free energy device.  Although it works on slightly different principles, this system reminds me of the old "ammonia fountain" demo from the Mr. Wizard era of kid science experiments.  In that one, the vacuum created by condensation of ammonia vapor at the top of the chamber pulls warmer ammonia solution from the bottom of the chamber through an inverted funnel.  As long as a temperature gradient is maintained between the top and bottom of the chamber, fluid will flow up through the funnel, creating a fountain effect.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: AB Hammer on June 02, 2008, 11:27:55 AM
@powercat

There is a devise to get fresh water from salt water which uses a clear dome to catch the rising water droplets and then slide down the side to get drinkable water. It is called a solar still and it works.

Another way you might want to try is a solar activated sterling motor to help pump the water which maybe your billabong pump but I wouldn't put my stamp on it either.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: powercat on June 02, 2008, 11:02:49 AM
Hi hansvonlieven

A friend of mine, is asking about a device called a billabong pump,a solar
water pump,normaly used on top of bore holes.
any info on this

thanks
pc


G'day powercat.

Give your mate this URL:    http://www.solarpumps.com/    It'll tell him everything he needs to know.

Greetings

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: powercat on June 02, 2008, 03:19:00 PM
Quote from: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 02:18:20 PM
G'day powercat.

Give your mate this URL:    http://www.solarpumps.com/    It'll tell him everything he needs to know.

Greetings

Hans von Lieven

G'day Hans

My mate is telling me its not electric and it looks like half  a sphere

All the best
pc




Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: Mr.Entropy on June 02, 2008, 03:28:07 PM
You are talking about a hydraulic ram:

http://www.wdmoore.com.au/OtherSystems/BillabongHydraulicRam/tabid/102/Default.aspx

Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: powercat on June 02, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
QuoteYou are talking about a hydraulic ram

Hi Mr.Entropy

Maybe but my friend is not here
He said its powered by the sun and hes only seen them in Australia 25 years ago

Thanks and Thanks also to AB Hammer
maybe we got it

pc

Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: powercat on June 02, 2008, 03:19:00 PM
G'day Hans

My mate is telling me its not electric and it looks like half  a sphere

All the best
pc

He is talking about this: http://www.wdmoore.com.au/OtherSystems/BillabongHydraulicRam/tabid/102/Default.aspx

They work well, but they require flowing water, They cannot be used to pump water from a bore. That's what threw me.

Hans von Lieven



Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: fritz on June 02, 2008, 04:43:21 PM
Dear Hans !

In german you call that "hydraulischer widder".
There are modern types to sell,
for example here: http://www.wasserpumpe-widder.ch/,
but you can find a lot if you look for "hydraulischer widder".
The power is taken from the flow of the main stream.
Nice, service friendly technology.

rgds.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: hansvonlieven on June 02, 2008, 09:23:07 PM
Correct Fritz, but you cannot use it to pump water from a bore.

These pumps are used all over Australia for irrigation.

Hans
Title: Re: Have you guys seen this?
Post by: powercat on June 04, 2008, 05:43:29 PM
Hi all helping the cats friend

hes seen lots of them in Australia 25 years ago
Its a water pump used on top of bore holes.
its powered by the sun.
it looks like two half sphere one inside the other.
It works a bit like a Sterling engine.
its made of plastic.

its a mystery to me
pc