Hi All,
I wonder,
what the Japanese Jaxa people show us here.
Have a look at:
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/006/hdtv_006_6/hdtv_006_6_l.jpg
Shouldn?t the earth be a little bigger in this picture ?
And where are any stars ?
Also, why doesn?t the earth have at least a bit rotated between these screen shots ?
Does the craft fly so fast ?
Also they released an info, saying that they have found the position where Apollo 15 was landed on the moon,
but they only show 2 pics, one from Apollo and one from their 3D transformed image data,
where you can see no craft...
So was this picture resolution too small to see any craft ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r80qhoPB0g#
So was this image only rendered or what should it show ???
Some people on ABovetopsecret forum say, that these Japanese videos are
only all fake and that they don?t have a probe there... hmm....
I can read everywhere that the earth is 4 times bigger than the moon,
but what do these pictures show here how small the earth is:
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/000/hdtv_000_5_l.jpg
Seems pretty fake to me.
Also at least some bright stars should be seen...
Also have a look at the other pics here:
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/
Where are all the bright stars ?
Why is the earth so small ?
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/007/earth-rise.html
Japan ( Houston) we have a problem:
Have again a look at this video:
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/007/earth-rise.html
The sun is shining this way, on the moon, that it comes from the upper left side of the screen.
This can be seen if you look onto the shadows from the rocks and craters on the moon...
Now, BUT the earth is fully illuminated at the lower right side ! ??
Could this be,
that the sun would really shine like this on the moon and the earth being illuminated fully,
although the earth is not far away from the moon compared to the distance of moon plus earth versus the sun ?
Must the lower right part of the earth not also be in a shadow ?
To me it looks like the sun is behind the camera and slightly to the right.
Quote from: hartiberlin on June 03, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
The sun is shining this way, on the moon, that it comes from the upper left side of the screen.
A fascinating optical illusion. What you think is a protrusion is actually an indentation, and vice versa, causing you think that the light is coming from the wrong direction.
Stare at it until you can see it the other way, and you'll see that the sun is behind you and over your right shoulder.
Cheers,
Mr. Entropy
The only reason to fake it would be that the original probe failed and they are trying to fool their funders. However, these pictures are way to crappy to be fake. I would think hoaxers would make better pictures, especially with all the heat NASA has gotten.
Personally though, I don't really care one way or the other.
Howdy Y'all,
When you are in space the stars are barely visible. The starlight is higher in frequency than you eyes can fully detect. The camera is less sensitive than your eyes, thus no stars. The stars are more visible in the atmosphere because the light is slowed down by friction with the air and it falls into the visible range. The stars are more visible from the moons surface than in space. The moon has a slight, tenuous atmosphere that makes this effect.
Blessed Be Brothers...
What's wrong with this crater? It's a perfect circle!
HI Hartiberlin, et all:
I am no expert, but I think that earth's athmosphere acts as a magnifying lens, so we see a bigger moon than it actually is. This is particularly noticeable when the moon is right above the horizon, and we got that big full yellowish moon, that women get so crazy about with their "how romantic" or whatever sayings ;)
Now in space, the magnifying lens is gone. THUS: earth is "small" seen from the moon.
Now, about stars, I am not that sure that light gets shifted or slowed by athmosphere (Actually I don?t think so)... I believe problem is more on the brightness compensation circuits inside the camera: If they try to get the stars right, both moon and earth will be burned away. So they close the electronic iris to get the "big picture" and shuts down the stars.
As many says, those are my "two cents".
Regards,
Enrique.
Quote from: Bubba1 on June 03, 2008, 10:56:58 PM
What's wrong with this crater? It's a perfect circle!
Yes, very strange,
also if you try to tell me, that the light is coming from right over my shoulder ?
Then this circle thing must have some kind holow entrance below the top,
otherwise this dark shadow at the right side of it makes no sense...
And have a look at this video,
where the earth is again much bigger:
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/007/earth-set.html
Shouldn?t the earth be still bigger than this, if the earth is really 4 times as big ?
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/007/earth-set.html
and at the beginning of this movie the scenery on the moon is pretty dark,
as the sun light is pretty weak on the moon.
Shouldn?t then not at least be a few stars in the black sky be seen ?
If the camera has automatic gain at least in such a dark scene the stars should be visible...
These moon videos look to me very faked and just rendered in some
animation program, where they did forget to put in some stars...
Have a look at his one Stefan.
Either the moon has a cloud cover or there is a massive storm going on here or that picture doesn't make sense.
Very disappointing what the Japanese are doing. They must think we are stupid.
Hans von Lieven
http://wms.selene.jaxa.jp/data/en/hdtv/008/hdtv_008_5/hdtv_008_5_l.jpg
I'm very familiar with 3D graphics and I can safely say that this stuff has FAKE written all over it. Specially that "earth-rise" video looks like someone just slapped a low quality normal map on a sphere to produce some shading and made a quick test render. Looks like something I would do to test bump shaders :P. Just compare those to the pictures nasa has taken.
Stars generaly would not be visible in pictures like this, fake or not. Setting exposure levels to capture stars in against brightly lit foreground would completely wash out everything else into a bright white blur.
This is the first time I've heard of this and if it is indeed supposed to be authentic I'd say there's something preposterously fishy going on.
Heh, upon briefly examining their site, I'd say they have lots of much more authentic looking stuff there too. The odd ones may be just poor shots or strangely edited. Even the earth rise video looks more real on higher quality, although it's still bit strange, might be the wide angle lens...I still could fake it ::). There's not much footage of the moon in general so it's hard to picture what the moon SHOULD look like. I don't think it's wise to jump into any conclusions yet.
But who knows. Dont quote me on anything. I bet NASA would know better, and wouldn't have any kind of collaboration if this was a hoax.
Hi Hans!
In the pic you say, I interpret it as a somewhat violent / nasty meteorite crater, which upon impact fractured and sent in a radial fashion, little parts of itself that left the surface radially spotted, with dust. It is interesting to note, that the very top of luna soil is in one color (due to meteorites dust) but right below color is different.
The little rocks that where radially spreaded, in turn impacted again luna soil and created the cloud effect. You can do almost the same effect by grabbing some tomatoe juice (like 1/2 liter) and making a little lake in the middle of your backyard and then throwing at its center a football ball. It will create a similar splash pattern I suppose.
Regards,
Enrique.
p.d. I don?t know if the pictures are fake. But I can assure all of you that NHK japan can make FAR more convincing fake pictures than something that resembles 2D cardboards with pictures glued (I concurr that quality / overhall feeling is way cheap).
THUS: I think this is after all, the real thing. Problem is we are "trained" by hollywood and expect far better images ;)
I think the pictures are real. We do not have a ton of comparative photos taken from that altitude and angle, so it is really hard to pronounce something as fake.
Next, you really have to ask, do the Japanese have the technology to launch a satellite around the moon? Because the last thing a country would want to do is be discovered faking something. And the best defense against being uncovered as a fake is to actually go out and do the thing that you are purportedly doing. That way, you never have to worry about some "artist" later coming out and spilling the beans.
I think that an advanced nation like Japan certainly has the technological ability to launch an unmanned satellite to the closet object to earth. Given that, why would they fake it?
they hiding aliens military base on moon !!! :D
I would not give a laugh yet to the alien base theory.
There are indications that it might be the case. I am personally inclined to think that something funny is going on in the moon, and our upper atmosphere / space, given the available evidence.
Also: If there is something going on, conspiracy-wise, including alien bases on the moon (in light and dark side), I think the people to control such conspiracy are first the americans, and after them, most of G8 countries. I think GB and JAPAN are among the first to know about bits of "high level" information, shared by the American conspirators.
So if someone can be "allowed" (by us or them) to go to the moon, it will be coincidentally one of these other countries.
I Dont think we will be finding weird constructions in the moon, on Jaxa images, given the current state of digital image processing.
But one must never loose the hope that some little stuff would go unnoticed and we can see it :)
regards,
enrique.
If the moon landings were fakes,
how did they make these live transmission also a fake ?
http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/news_events/apollo11/
How could the TV transmission have being faked ?
Is the above information just made up ?
The best laughing thing is,
that they said, they controlled the remote control from the earth with about 3 seconds delay
to record the liftoff of the LEM ????
http://www.apollo-projekt.de/rueckstart.htm
but why they make so crapy images ?? ... i with my 3d software can make beter if someone pay 1000$ for it :D
if they hiding uber bases and alien technology why they can`n hire beter CG artist`s with super render farms??
maybe probe crashed in moon and they hide from investors that fact. and on last money make crapy pictures to show that goal is reched.
or may bee mission is military nature and there are lot off guns and ninja star throwers and no cameras to take pictures ??