I found a site that says 2-3liters per min is no where near what the engine needs. Does anybody have any opinion on this? Heres the site http://www3.telus.net/chemelec/Projects/Hydrogen/Hydrogen-2.htm ???
read my posts, i made calculations like 5 times already... 3L/min would be good for maybe a 100cc engine.Car engine runs hundreds of liters of air per minute...
PS:now i see somebody else also made an effort to calculate it and confirm
You need a lot more HHO than 3L/min like "Creativity" said. also you need a lot bigger size generators than what for example you see on e-bay for sale (you have to run it from pulse and not from strait dc). Those size generators will not make more than 1-2L/min. in the best case, and they heat up like hell after an hour. You need to build a size or even larger than Meyer had, and pulse it to get some serious amount of HHO. I'm working on a little larger, but same design of generator as Meyer had.
So its true all of these generators and generator plans going around really wont do anything to the engine ??? I was close to building one but this just makes me give up hope
Creativity how can i search for your posts I cant seam to find posts by users? how can i do this?
i send u a PM on how to get my posts. Well all this plans going around are worth something. In few words addition of H2 speeds up the fuel burning proces and gives possibilities to adjust and further fine tune ur engine so it will be more efficient.Untill some (for me still unknown) percentage of H2 in fuel,advantages of it can outweight the energy used to produce H2.The better the engine tuned to the newer conditions the more u will get back of it.Stay tuned to this forum.
I don't say those size of generators are crap, but not big enough (10-20% fuel savings max). So what I'm saying is 1-2L/min HHO is stil better than nothing, so go ahead make one and try. But if you want some serious amount of gas, you have to build a much larger unit, and that one will not fit in the engine bay, you have to put it in the trunk or in the cabin, like I have in my Windstar and run it from pulse. Also you will need O2 extenders and a MAP sensor or a EFIE depend of your car. If you will run it from starit DC I suggest you to get a 30amp. PWM controller. That is all I think right at the moment, may be someone has other idea too.
Hi hunter
Can you give us info on your PWM ?
All i can find is two http://www.pwmpower.com/ (http://www.pwmpower.com/) and http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html (http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html)
pc
I'm talking about the PWM DC motor speed controller 30 amp rated. If you run your generator from strait DC you need it to control your amp. But the pulse generator you are asking about, I will buy it from this guys. http://www.aquapulser.com/index.html Looks more professional. I also would like to hear some test results regarding any of these pulse generators, if any one of you did try them, or using it.
Thanks hunter for the link
QuoteI also would like to hear some test results regarding any of these pulse generators, if any one of you did try them, or using it.
heres one by NerzhDishual http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect (http://freenrg.info/Exp_With_DallasGB_Elect)/
hes on the form http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4302.msg102382/topicseen.html#msg102382 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4302.msg102382/topicseen.html#msg102382)
pc
Regarding this link - http://www.aquapulser.com/index.html (http://www.aquapulser.com/index.html) - the videos show the setup running at about 13V @ 2.5A, so around 25-30 Watts. My question, given that 2L/min is about the best I have seen done so far on Youtube, and if memory serves, with much higher power input, does anybody have this setup running and has measured the gas output, or could someone experienced 'guess-timate' what it might be? (the site states it hasn't made this measurment)
Right now I'm collecting the materials to build a generator at least big like Meyer had. I'm planing to use that "aquapulser" device to run it. Like I said before, I think you need a much larger generator than what I see people use as a booster. Any idea?
Hi all
4 liters per minute cell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZ867Ca6aM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZ867Ca6aM)
he has 35 vids (look at related videos) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-USIf9nfA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG-USIf9nfA)
2HP engine on HHO 5.5 liters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFrkHFmjx0c) big amps
all the best
pc
What about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMEFPgaNj9U&feature=related
Sounds too good to be real. hmm.
The youtube maze ;D
Looks like hes running on a bottle in the vid,but clams water in the info box. hmmm
Iam not keen on bottles, thow making Hydrogen at home with solar panels then putting it in the car.
but safe storage is difficult to do
FIAT 500 running on hydrogen http: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related (http://www.overunity.com//www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related) (The fuel is injected sequentially using a custom designed electronic injection system, a gas injector and a plastic throttle body) Allegedly
pc
Sorry this is the link for FIAT 500 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related)
::)
pc
The hydrogen compressed in bottle, so it's not "on demand" I would like to see some one make the HHO on board when the car runs. If the storage would be so cheap and easy, than it wouldn't be problem to throw some solar panels up on my roof, and make the hydrogen all day long, and next day use it to drive.
:) Nice idea hunter
storage is the key http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4267.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4267.0.html)
pc
i think you need about 50 L a minute
Quote from: powercat on June 04, 2008, 06:08:32 PM
Hi hunter
Can you give us info on your PWM ?
All i can find is two http://www.pwmpower.com/ (http://www.pwmpower.com/) and http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html (http://www.vptechno.com/d14PWM.html)
pc
Here's the one i plan on buying: http://www.extremehho.com
50L per minute you have to be joking!!! come on!!! all i hear is how HHO is more powerful than gas but no-one has figured out the amount needed to run a commercially available engine on a car... Lets think this through this logically... The engine is designed to have "X" amount of fuel in and then make sure that it can suck in enough air to combust "Y" percentage of it to create "Z" amounts of power. Now if you want to fill the entire combustion chamber with HHO then yeah you will need a crap load of it... but you only want to run your engine... you only need to put in the amount that would equal the output of "Z" under the compressed conditions and have the rest as the air intake as "gap filler". Now if HHO liter for liter is more powerful than gas my car defiantly doesn't use 50L of petrol per minute... EVER... I think if we can make 5L or more this should be more than enough, if used properly... Which i think people are getting close to (that figure would only really be nessicary for really hard accelerating...) I think you would be better for the people argueing to look at implementing proceedures and finding out the best way to remove the petrol and implement the fuel cells into cars and work with the computers rather than against them... this will be the next progressive step... IMO
Do a google on Bob Boyce ... and Smack Booster ... there are many lessons to be learned and with hho.
Take the volume of empty space in your cyclinder .. this is what you need to fill it up with ... now you do need to use regular air and hho to get to the volume needed ... as you know you only need small gas to air mixture to provide the expansion ... when you expand it with hho you get more of a force and faster that is why you need to retard the timing when using hho.
Understand and know what is going on in bob's system and you will get ahead fast. Keep the volts low per cell 1.2 and amps high ... surface area is important.
You must try a small system first ... relize that the larger you go you have almost a cubing affect in power. Try starting out with a whipper snipper engine or something like that and you will see.
One of the thing you need consider if you want to drive a car with 100% HHO, you need to change the air/fuel ratio and use really good SparkPlug, 14.7 is no good for HHO, you can probably change this amount for around 30, mean 50% less HHO needed.
But to change the fuel ratio you need to hack your car computer, that another story :)
They are some open source mod for that but you still need to pay around 500$ just to control your car computer.
Here's some of the guys in our group playing with 15 - 20LPM just cutting cans in half for fun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lCqcT3i0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-lCqcT3i0I)
If using HHO for mileage gains, figure on roughly 1-2LPM per 1000cc's of engine displacement, leaning more towards 2lpm per Liter of engine displacement. To run an engine on HHO alone, requires internal components to be changed, tolerances tightened up, completely adjustable timing, and a plasma spark source to fire it off wouldn't hurt. To accomplish this for a small four cylinder engine you're talking in the neighborhood of at least 2-400lpm to get it to idle. But you'd have to overcome waste spark, valve overlap and things like that first.
-rapttor