Who on these boards is actually generating 5 litres of HHO at this point. How big is your generator?
thanks
Should I assume that this means No One?
how about 4?
im getting a lil over 3 liters a min... at 30 amps though... i havent gotten my shit to stay cool enough though, im putting in bigger terminals/ power leads today to see whatll happen,
I will soon, I'm on it. ;)
Linnard Griffin was doing it years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnS4kfHNOEY
Actually, over ten times what you are looking for. :o
Hopefully he releases the information fully someday. :'(
Yes, but he does it without electricity if I'm not mistaken. I would like to see him how he can control the chemical reaction. Just think about it, if you install it in your car, and let say you drive somewhere, stop your car but your generator is still running, because the chemical reaction is still active, now what?. Where, and how you will store your extra hho, or how you stop your reaction in a short time? From my point of you, the chemically made hho, is good for home heating in winter nights, or cooking. You just start your generator, and not worry if the reaction stop a few hours earlier or later, it's cold in winter so need the heat anyway. ;) ;D
Quote from: hunter on June 06, 2008, 06:11:28 PM
Yes, but he does it without electricity if I'm not mistaken. I would like to see him how he can control the chemical reaction. Just think about it, if you install it in your car, and let say you drive somewhere, stop your car but your generator is still running, because the chemical reaction is still active, now what?. Where, and how you will store your extra hho, or how you stop your reaction in a short time? From my point of you, the chemically made hho, is good for home heating in winter nights, or cooking. You just start your generator, and not worry if the reaction stop a few hours earlier or later, it's cold in winter so need the heat anyway. ;) ;D
Yeah but what about getting rid of the excess waste? That would lead to a big pollution problem. I think doing HHO or H2 through the electrolysis process is the best way to go.
I think I will reach over 6 LPM with my new design. I will have to test it when I am done.
Quote from: 2goodbucs on June 06, 2008, 09:55:32 PM
Yeah but what about getting rid of the excess waste? That would lead to a big pollution problem. I think doing HHO or H2 through the electrolysis process is the best way to go.
I think I will reach over 6 LPM with my new design. I will have to test it when I am done.
How big will your design be? how much voltage / amperage do you anticipate using? Could your new design be adapted to making H and O separately?
22350: mdbreed1 on YouTube is getting a liter every 12 seconds @ 100+ vdc. His container is a little larger than a car battery. Plate system.
Here is a link to his new cell and output. Increase the electrolyte and keep the volts where they are this thing might just exceed 5LPM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwhyHpX6Zj4
Quote from: reddb49 on June 07, 2008, 12:34:51 PM
Here is a link to his new cell and output. Increase the electrolyte and keep the volts where they are this thing might just exceed 5LPM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwhyHpX6Zj4
seems like he is getting 3.5l every 20 seconds.
Getting a large volume of HHO is not the problem. Getting a large volume of HHO on low currents, under 10 amps, and low heat, under 150 F is a challenge. In order to get the temperature down, you must keep the cells at less and 2 volts each. For the energy supplied by a typical auto, you would do well with 8 cells. The water should be distilled, and the electrolyte should be added to a warmed cell. Peak output is going to be at running temperatures, so keep the electrolyte very low until the cell reaches operating temperature, and then add small amounts until you get a good amount of generation. If the levels are too high, you will run into thermal runaway, and melt your PVC. Some have switched to a stainless tube, so the heat won't matter so much. The design we are working on will include processor control to control current, and a pump to circulate the cell. Yes, circulating the cell increases output. There is nothing much to be said for PWM devices, unless they are under processor control, then, only used to control current. We don't have a limitless amount of current to work with, so the goal is to get enough HHO running at 6 amps, 13.8vdc, to offset the gas usage by your motor. The bigger your engine, the more HHO you will need to have the desired effect.
I may be way off base according to others, and I always welcome input from others who have different experience.
Joe
Quote from: Voltar X on June 07, 2008, 07:34:23 AM
22350: mdbreed1 on YouTube is getting a liter every 12 seconds @ 100+ vdc. His container is a little larger than a car battery. Plate system.
hi,
check out bob boyce starting on page 10-76 here http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf.
his 100 cell unit is said to put out 50-100 lpm. from what i've seen, he's the #1 guy in this field.
the whole doc has good info.
tom
Quote from: tbird on June 08, 2008, 09:03:38 PM
hi,
check out bob boyce starting on page 10-76 here http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf.
his 100 cell unit is said to put out 50-100 lpm. from what i've seen, he's the #1 guy in this field.
the whole doc has good info.
tom
Yes, he is the man. He can be found here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/
and at the workingwatercar group.
Overheating is the result of too much voltage per cell. The voltage per cell is a crucial
number.
Hey guys: don't forget that Meyers was putting d.c. voltage into the brushes of the alternator, turning the alternator at 3000+ rpm using a 2:1 pulley on a 1750 electric motor. He then took the a.c. off of the alternator, converted it back into d.c. using a bridge. It's not just about volts and amps...it's also about the harmonic magnetic frequencies and the 3-phase a.c. that the alternator puts out. I agree that Boyce is the man but Meyers, Andrijii Puharich and Dingle were doing this long before him. Check out waterforfuel.com to see West's interpretation of Meyers' system. Hope this helps.
I'm no where near 5 lpm yet. Using brute force at a clamped 12 amps. Using my stock alternator, my limit is approx. 20 amps before I impede it's "normal" operation. Given this fact, and the fact that current creates HHO in the brute force designs, I doubt I'll ever get to 5 lpm without serious modifications to my plate area and overall cell size. (water filter case w/ SS wall plates) I tried a pwm and promptly smoked it. I am currently using a 1 ohm, 225w adjustable resistor in series with my cell. My electrolyte (KOH) is saturated to minimize the cell resistance and the resistor resistance is adjusted down until I got @ 12 amps. I need to mount my resistor closer to my cell so I can use the heat off it to boost the cell efficiency. My cell no longer heats up due to only having 2-4 volts being dropped across the cell. (depending on which plate config I have installed.)
I'm going to try connecting two 1 ohm resistors in parallel (.5 ohm @ 14.5 vdc = 29 amps) then with the cell resistance I should drop that to about 20 amps. More I = more HHO in brute force applications. I'll be soon building (I hope) a mark/space relay controller out of electronic turn signal flashers and 40 amp automotive relays. My own hybrid pwm without the 555's and mosfets to smoke. I need something that will handled the juice! As far as my lpm with my current config? I'm not sure, I haven't taken the time to make a measurement device, yet. soon I will have to, my cell tests change weekly, I best know what is more efficient so I don't chase my tail.
There is a company in Jupiter Florida who is in the busines of making HHO systems. The local Sheriff ordered two systems for use in official cars used by his men. If the HHO showed any sign of improving gas mileage, they would buy 1200 units more. The units cost $1200 each, and after a couple of months, they proved to not make any improvement in mileage of the test cars and removed the units that were installed and did not order anymore.
The best Youtube video you will find, is the one where it explains why HHO will not work, and who is behind the forces that keep selling all this crap to people like you and me. I have since scrapped my HHO unit, and keep it around for hte next 4th of July. I makes some great explosions if you fill quart juice bottle with HHO and put a fuse to them. We actually filled a 13 gallon trash bag and put that video on Youtube. It makes an explosion that you can feel from 50 yards away.
That is it, I dont care who wants to call me an idiot, saying that I am just not smart enough to understand, or that I need 10 times more HHO to get it to work.
The facts are this, if it would work, GM or Ford would be putting it in a car by now. Thre is, in fact, a government study, where GE was paid a load of money to prove, or disprove the practical use for HHO. The study gives scientific facts that show all sorts of reasons that HHO is not a practical, or economical way to improve gas mileage. The only place Hydrogen will show-up in production vehicles in in the form of a fuel cell. In fact, all of the major auto makers have cars on theroad right now that have fuel cells in them. It ill be 5 or more years from now before they can build a car with a fuel cell that is cheap enough for the public to afford. The cars they have now , cost $75 thousand dollars to build. Anyone that says they are doing it, has a bridge to sell you too. I'm not saying thta you could not do it, but he effort and moneyit would cost, would cost you more than the what you are paying for gas. Search Ford for fuel cell vehicles, they are one company that has 7 such cars running on Hydrogen Fuel cells in Florida on the Hydrogen Highway, up near Orlando. It runs from Orlando to Tampa I believe. Several states have hyrogen highways. This is the last time I will post on this site, I will unsubscribe from it as son as I finish this message. Please, don't kill the messenger.
Try this design, you will need to do the plate cleansing listed the panacea university hydroxy course.
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/15_plate_center_tap.pdf
Its stated by Bob Boyce to be the most efficient brute force design
messenger, Are you a mole? To read your rants I'd swear you're on Haliburtan's payroll. My last three out of four mpg tests indicated better than normal mpg using my system. The one "bad" test was because I was enriching my mixture with my efie and leaning my mixture with a MAP adjuster simultaneously. Had great power, but worse mpg's. It's all about the electronics. The little bit of HHO stabilizes the combustion chambers so the engine doesn't crap out. How about giving up on the HHO stuff and try to develop Bedini styled battery chargers/regaugers. They can greatly extend the run of battery powered cars. ie There's much good to be done, and a short time to do it. Nay sayers keep on a walkin'
I've been building HHo's for about 3 years. It took a long time to figure out how to keep them cool and to keep the amps from running away. I have put two liter plus units on a VW diesel, his mpg's are around 70. 1 liter a minute at 12 amps. I built a unit that's producing 240 liters an hour. It uses a bridge rectifier 120 volts. 55 plates 11 amps. He's a link to a Brown's gas generator that explains # plates ,amps and all. http://www.amasci.com/weird/bgf1.html. They talk about using 220 vac. I didn't have enough plate material so I built a 120 vac system. I've got the whole set of plans that do go into more detail about amps,plates and so. Brian
Stevie has generated 8 or 9 liters a min using no additives at around 1400 watts. Im sure if you look you will find his work.