Hi ALl,
here is a new video from Lutec Australia, which shows more
power output than input.
It is only a small model from their bigger machine.
It's really great to find infromation about the Lutec machine somewhere else than our local paper.
I know these men who invented it here, tested it here, announced it in the local press with pictures, then it was bought by an American firm.....where is it now?
There are a lot of angry people here in Cairns who could use that machine right now, including me, but hey! you're not allowed to outdo the Establishment, so dammit, we've decided to build our own! >:(
emailed the company as soon as I found out about it, to purchase one or more. They have not responded. I realize why now. The morons no longer own the patent.
sypherios
sold out to the banksters eh?
I am not entirly sure of that.I will try more contacting. I would recomend other do so as well. If one of us gets through perhaps they can tell us wutz up.
This company is a classic example of a scam. They have been in business with promises of a product that they won't sell, and they never quite seem to finish the project. But they will accept investments of cash. But of course they only accept up to the governmental limit of shares without a prospectus or other declarations as legitimate corporations must do.
Companies that will not sell even a set of plans and a license to build one unit have something to hide, or nothing to offer. Either way, they should be avoided at all costs.
Of course they will not answer email requests for product information. But I bet they will respond quickly if one wished to invest.
Notice how they utilize the medium of the Internet to distribute their scam without reprisal. The video can fool a lot of people until one notices that they are measuring DC input and AC output. Not even comparable.
They shold be sellin em now, wtf. Anyone got anything from them? I want friggin! !500!.
Sincerly Sypherios
hello again, someone please go pound down thier door and get this thing out for the puiblic, god this is frustersting...
sincerly Sypherios
Quote from: Big on January 23, 2006, 01:22:24 AM
This company is a classic example of a scam. They have been in business with promises of a product that they won't sell, and they never quite seem to finish the project. But they will accept investments of cash. But of course they only accept up to the governmental limit of shares without a prospectus or other declarations as legitimate corporations must do.
This is one of the largest problems. Even if it is legit, it gives the impression that it isn't. I'm so sick of this crap. I understand that you have to protect yourself and your interests but, it should have been on the market somewhere by now!
I believe overall that the possibility of a new science is out there, but I am hesitant to believe anything until it has been proven.
take care,
Dude
Quote from: Blueythe Blogger on September 22, 2005, 12:10:13 AM
It's really great to find infromation about the Lutec machine somewhere else than our local paper.
I know these men who invented it here, tested it here, announced it in the local press with pictures, then it was bought by an American firm.....where is it now?
There are a lot of angry people here in Cairns who could use that machine right now, including me, but hey! you're not allowed to outdo the Establishment, so dammit, we've decided to build our own! >:(
Oh, come on! Lutec is a blatant scam. They started out several years ago soliciting "investments" through a numbered bank account in Singapore, but they stopped that when the Austrailian authorities stepped in. And they've had many chances to demonstrate the motor to qualified people. As I recall, an Aussie skeptics group went to their location to see and test the device, but Brits & Christie "lost the key" to the lab and they couldn't get to it. The claim that they've been bought out by an American firm is just more smoke they're blowing up people's a$$es.
My god, how can people be so gullible?
These people are a scam. I think they are actually South African.
REF: Lutec Small Motor
Their measurements are flawed. DC power and AC power have different units.
AC power is measured in VA (Volt Amps )
The reason DC and AC power measurements are not the same is as follows:
DC has no frequency component and therefore voltage and current are in phase.
AC has a frequency component and voltage and current are not in phase so power
is the RMSvoltage x RMScurrent.
Comparing the DC power with the AC power is meaningless. You can however convert the VA to a comparible real power by using the following formula.
VA is simply calculated by rmsvolts x rmscurrent
Power factor PF is the ratio of True Power/Apparent Power
Calculating PF is not always easy so a convention/estimate is used as 0.6 and is unitless.
(VAxPF)=Watts
So using this formula, the motor power is 16.4VA x 0.6 =9.84W
Seeing that these people didn't seem to know about VA, it is apparent that their overunity may be
problematic since their measurements don't make sense. If their AC voltage and current was measured using peak reading meters then:
(1.4Ax0.707)x(11Vx0.707)=7.7VA 7.7VA x 0.6=4.61W even less power estimated and is most likely less than this because the Power Factor has not been given.
As you can see it is easy for some of these people to fudge results to trick you in believing they have an overunity motor.
Valveman
Read the "How it Works" Sound like nothing more than a plain old DC motor connected to a AC generator.
They also talk about a magnet holding a load to a beam as if it is doing work. The force may be sufficient to keep the load suspended but holding something stationary doesn't qualify as doing work. They compare it to an electromagnet and talk about wasted energy. The lost energy is because of resistance of the coils not because it is doing work to keep the load suspended.
Quote from: superlambchops on August 04, 2006, 10:40:41 PM
...talk about a magnet holding a load to a beam as if it is doing work. The force may be sufficient to keep the load suspended but holding something stationary doesn't qualify as doing work.
Yes, using this concept you could power their machine using clothes pegs or masking tape, they do just as much work holding things in place.
A search of the patent database at IP Australia (http://ipaustralia.gov.au) shows no patents that match any of the numbers they quote on their website. Nor do there seem to be any patents filed under their names.
No product and constant stalling, seems like a pretty obvious scam. The Lutec heading should be moved into the scam section where it belongs.
@ Bluey
Do you have plans of the machine or can they be viewed somewhere.
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 14, 2005, 02:48:52 AM
Hi ALl,
here is a new video from Lutec Australia, which shows more
power output than input.
It is only a small model from their bigger machine.
Do you know if they have tried to attached a generator to the rod, and loop back power via the rectifier - originally used after the transformer - ?
If more power is getting out than putted in, it should definitly be possible to make this run without external power supply, or what ???
Br.
Vidar
I emailed them about the devices ability to power itself. The reply:
"Cant power itself at this stage. It is not impossible that it will in the
future, it always needs an input."
I don't understand why a device that can produce so much power doesn't produce enough to power itself. Shouldn't you be able to start it with a push of your hand and have it power itself. Unless of course it isn't actually creating more power than it uses.
I also wonder why they are using a Hong Kong based company to accept investment. Wouldn't a reputable company just list on the stock exchange and start selling shares?
It all smells pretty scamtastic to me. But then they have only been pushing the same stuff for what, six years. I wonder if their device will still be a few months away in another six years.
In other words: It doesn't work.
Br.
Vidar
Well,
it is the same kind as the Newman machines.
These types of machines need a battery supply to
keep them running.
The battery is constantly recharged due to these
sparkings at the commutator.
This produces additional energy due to electron clustering
at the commutator contacts and thus the batteries don?t discharge.
To run these without batteries is not so easy, cause the recharge effect
also occurs due to slow movement of the ions inside the batteries....
So it will not just work with only charged capacitors.
The batteries play a major role in these devices....
As the commutator contacts are used up after a while
( they just burn up) this needs attention for a real sales
unit and they still work on this aspect.
Regards, Stefan.
According to the Lutec site their device will work from mains power.
So I don't think a battery or the ions in it are part of the essential workings of their device.
Which brings us back to the question, if it produces more output than it needs as input why can't the output be fed back into it to keep it running?
The simplest answer would be that the device just doesn't work.
A sad fact about these kind of machines is that force equals counterforce - for the time being. I am very suspicious to all devices which includes wires, batteries, transformers. Show us/me a pure working magnet motor, without any wires - and I will try to believe it is the real thing.
Br.
Vidar
Quote from: Flit on February 16, 2007, 10:48:03 AM
According to the Lutec site their device will work from mains power.
So I don't think a battery or the ions in it are part of the essential workings of their device.
Which brings us back to the question, if it produces more output than it needs as input why can't the output be fed back into it to keep it running?
The simplest answer would be that the device just doesn't work.
Yes, it can also work from the main power grid,
if you use a power supply, which is
decoupled enough, so the back current spikes from the
mechanical commutator switching is rerouted into
the load circuit and thus produce more electrical power
out than electrical input power.
Of course this will only work,
if you have the right coils and magnet setups inside
the Lutec motor-generator.
Have a look at this:
http://www.lutec.com.au/lea_test.htm
http://www.lutec.com.au/video/lutec_LEA.wmv
http://www.lutec.com.au/video/lutec06.mpg
Regards, Stefan.
Following-on from an earlier comment ...
hartiberlin wrote:
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The battery is constantly recharged due to these sparkings at the commutator.
This produces additional energy due to electron clustering at the commutator contacts and thus the batteries don?t discharge. To run these without batteries is not so easy, cause the recharge effect also occurs due to slow movement of the ions inside the batteries....
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As the commutator contacts are used up after a while ( they just burn up) this needs attention for a real sales unit and they still work on this aspect.
Regards, Stefan.
I agree with arcing (spark-gaps) being a real candidate for the apparent "extra" energy. This thesis is also supported by experiments shown at
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SparkGapExp/SparkGapExp.htm
and at
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/MultiSparkGap/MultiSparkGapExp.htm
And, work done by Jean-Louis Naudin (and as related-to on his website) show even more examples of arcs producing additional energy, as well as transmutation of metals/materials. In my limited knowledge, I know of
only one way to transmutate metals/materials and that is by some form of nuclear-reaction. Beside the extra energy, the source material will be consumed: In this case, there is no "magic" but rather a something-for-something exchange.
The electron clustering is, as I understand things, another story :-)
Well, that's my two-bits worth ...
edo
@ stefan
der test.htm
kann dieser Messung nach falsche Werte erbringen !!
Nur wenn nach dem Akku (Battery) das Wattmeter mit einem
Kondensator zur L.e.A. abgeblockt ist . Ist der angezeugte Wert
m?g?icherweise richtig.
Ein Wechselmagentfeld des Motorgenerators , kann so wie aufgezeigt , den Weg zur?ck zur Batterie ?ber Wattmeter "1"
finden und so kleinere (?) anzeigen , in jedemfall falsche Angabe.
Die DC Versorgung muss am EINGANG zur L.E.A. abgeblockt sein.
This way to metering is wrong. the DC Supply must be blocked on Input to LEA with Condensors ,against flyback power from
motorgenerator (inform AC/RF) back over wattmeter to the nattery-
Pese
This scared me when I saw it because it looked like a generator I am currently building. I was thinking, crap someone has already done it! But fortunately, after reading "how it works" on their website, this motor is a complete sham and nothing like what I am trying to do. Hurray!