You guys must have seen this.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2003-free-energy-last-step-step-must-see.html
Vids in action..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaIYRM1yrM4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxLw0YU3pXg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzzy2dtjs_0&feature=related
And a replication
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T63GCpIzI4I&watch_response
New 4 part how-to videos posted today: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eDS9qk-Nw4M (http://youtube.com/watch?v=eDS9qk-Nw4M)
Only video 1 and 4 are really worth watching.
It doesn't give any 'numbers', so I'd be interested to hear from anyone that has actually built this
and can provide actual positive test results. It looks easy and fun to build, but not much point if
you're just wasting you time.
Also, here's the full circuit:
i have built a dozen or so and they work ,bedini is correct , you can not go wrong on replication it is simple and i have charged many batts with them ,all types lithium ions and zinc carbon alkaline piles etc lead acid etc ,i have paralleled a few outputs and did de sulfation on lead acid.batts . give it a try it is not as powerful as the large bedini chargers but will def get the basic concept down. i tried to make the vids self explanatory . i hope i achieved that ,if i did not i will keep trying.. be watching i will be releasing some very interesting vids soon i hope everyone will enjoy. ;D
Nice work! I did not realize it was this simple. Looking around my scrap pile, I've got everything but the neon to build one of these - guess what my weekend is looking like?
Thank you for the contribution.
Peace!
-Sq
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Camera doesnt do the oscilloscope justice, but its averaging 250 volts per spike. One of my better fans. Thats the fan i will be using to charge the caps for aarons and gotoluc water spark plug experiment. Yes the fans have many uses. It takes about 4 seconds to charge a 250volt 680 uf cap. ;D
Impressive scope shot. How difficult would it be to build a digital scope? Very fast
A/D converter - dump data stream into ram through parallel or USB port. then process
the data into a bit mapped picture. Is this idea facile or a potential runner?
Paul.
Quote from: Paul-R on September 11, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
Impressive scope shot. How difficult would it be to build a digital scope? Very fast
A/D converter - dump data stream into ram through parallel or USB port. then process
the data into a bit mapped picture. Is this idea facile or a potential runner?
Paul.
Hi Paul,
Here is a link to a DIY simple (maximum sample rate of 1 MHz (bandwidth of 500 kHz) with schematics and PCB to get an insight for a start:
http://jonw0224.tripod.com/ppmscope.html
rgds, Gyula
Hi imhotep,
can you share final schematic, please?
Do you measure overunity (or perpetual motion with charging batteryes)?
What say if you built a rotor like the window motor, but placed the magnets in a N S N S configuration. Then if you took the rotor and placed it in a cylinder and then wrapped the coils around the skin going the length of the cylinder in a NSNS way 90 degrees apart from one another. So the coil would be wrapped from the outside of the cylinder to the inside for however many wraps then rotate 90 degrees and wrap the other half of the coil.
Now this is like the computer fan, but could you say take and wrap some more coils around the cylinder to create an alternator? Cus to generate the ac current you need NSNS magnets right? "I could be totally wrong here, I'm taking a shot in the dark."
And if this is the case then you could just scale it up and have what say you a rotor with 8 or 12 magnets all going the NSNSNS....way. And then in the spaces of the bedini coils wound on the cylinder you could wind in your alternator coils?
I hope I clarified it enough to get a good visual image.
I'm wanting to build said such device, yet have a few questions. Could I have 12 magnets on the rotor and a coil at every spot a magnet lands? Would I need to have half of em triggeer coils and the other half power coils. Or could I have only one trigger coil and the rest power coils? "If I'm not mistaken the trigger coil also collects back emf right?" I'm not so much interested in discharging a battery and charging a few others. I would only like to sustain the powering batteries and use the mechanical load to generate electricity.
thanks for the help
You are reffering to the window motor. It does have alternating poles already. Do a quick sketch, there are only so may ways you can configure it with opposite poles @ 180 degrees.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2108-window-motor-replication.html
You can have as many coils as you like, for as many magnets as you like within reason. If you want them to fire all at the same time then you only need one trigger coil/winding. Out of phase you will need one trigger winding per phase.
:)
Can you test self-feeding mode with thyristors or relay, FROM charged batteryes TO source battery?
Quote from: altium on December 13, 2008, 09:17:39 AM
Can you test self-feeding mode with thyristors or relay, FROM charged batteryes TO source battery?
Perhaps.
Just simple clock generator+relay, which can make pulsed energy transfer from recharged batteryes to source battery, okay?
I want to know what`s result will get you...
Thanks.
Hi guys I saw a video on youtube that said that if one does the NSNS rotor setup on bedini motor one aquires BEMF plus radiant energy.
Is this true?
Thanks
I did try build it today and failed. :(
One coil wire was broken accidently during disassembling.
Should I throw away the original circuit in the fan?
I watched the video several times, didn't see where the original circuit put back.
Quote from: freepenguin on April 11, 2009, 01:39:33 PM
I did try build it today and failed. :(
One coil wire was broken accidently during disassembling.
Should I throw away the original circuit in the fan?
I watched the video several times, didn't see where the original circuit put back.
This happened to me too but I manage to rewind the fan. A little courage and patience and you do it. Rewind the coil clockwise than anti clockwise.
My problem is that the batteries are not holding charge for long time but it's a nice project anyway.
Thanks to Imhotep and Bedini.
Quote from: guruji on April 12, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
This happened to me too but I manage to rewind the fan. A little courage and patience and you do it. Rewind the coil clockwise than anti clockwise.
My problem is that the batteries are not holding charge for long time but it's a nice project anyway.
Thanks to Imhotep and Bedini.
How did you test the rewind fan?
I checked the resistance of coils: Trigger and Power - both were 139 Ohm. When I hooked up either coil with battery, the fan got magnetized and did not run freely.
I used 1N4001 dioide and TIP102 Transistor today which I bought for another Bedini project. The system wouldn't run at all. :(
I might get the exact components and will try again.
Greetings Imhotep, and other users here trying this experiment:
I want to share my partial experience so far. As I've heard one user quote - no two fans are the same, this is true. The first fan I tried had a captive washer holding the rotor on instead of a c-clip. While these are really easy to get on, they are very hard to get off, so I aborted that one. The second fan I tried had a c-clip. I got the rotor off, but the construction of the stator was a little unusual - two of the posts went right through the plastic of the fan, and it appears they glued it. The third fan was a 120mm fan I got with an Apevia case - not only did everything come apart great, but I wanted to recommend it, because there is no drilling necessary - they have a hole for the 4th post already. I believe the fan is made by Aspire - it is one of these blue translucent fans with 4 blue LEDs installed. I have the circuit board removed from the fan and am proceeding. I think it might be possible, however, to use small or surface-mount diodes and a transistor, and might be possible to reuse the original circuit board. Also, I found (at Radio Shack, of course), AA-sized 12V batteries. I want to try to understand the Bedini principle behind this device: What it looks like is being done is half of the coils in the stator are being converted into generators rather than drive coils. The result is that the fan no longer has enough torque to start up, but a nudge will start it, and it should keep running until the electrolytes in the battery break down, or the windings oxidize - whichever comes first. A friend of mine is looking into developing some low-cost power for 3rd-world countries, using giant windmills or solar arrays - I told him it could be done with an anemometer array for a lot less. Some day, I want to build a Bedini motor/charger from scratch without using an existing fan.
MightyLance
Hello Imhotep and All:
One user mentioned the motor not functioning after the modification. I'm looking at the coils from this 120mm fan, and see some unusual stuff, and am wondering if you could shed some light on this. With the posts facing you, with the missing post in the 12 o'clock position, going clockwise. The coil with the missing post has one wire going to the inner windings from one side, and one wire coming out of the inner windings on the other side. The 3 O'clock post has one wire going to the inner from the 12 O'clock post, and 2 coming out of the other side - one of those two appears to be coming from the post. The other is coming from the inner. The post has a second wire coming from the outer. At the 6 O'clock position, the two wires from the 3 O'clock post are going into the inner of one side, however there are 3 wires coming out the other side - one is from the post and get this: it's reverse-wound. All 3 wires go to the inner windings of the 9 O'clock coil. At the 9 O'clock position, one wire comes from the outer and goes to the post, then 1 wire comes from the inner windings and goes to the 12 O'clock post.
So a hunch of what happened with the guy who magnetized the motor - I think what happened in his case (and what might happen on mine if I'm not careful), is instead of having two opposing coils act as drive, and the other two being generators, he has two adjacent coils as drive, and two adjacent as generators. If this is the case, when powered up, the fan would resist turning, and the device won't function properly.
MightyLance
Quote from: freepenguin on April 17, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
How did you test the rewind fan?
I checked the resistance of A: Trigger and Power - both were 139 Ohm. When I hooked up either coil with battery, the fan got magnetized and did not run freely.
I used 1N4001 dioide and TIP102 Transistor today which I bought for another Bedini project. The system wouldn't run at all. :(
I might get the exact components and will try again.
Hi freepenguin sorry that took long to reply but today I saw it. You said fan got magnetized?!! What type are you using than? Mine was with iron core it could not be magnetized. I suggest to try another one. Then use the circuit as shown in the beggining of this forum.
Thanks
Hello to all.
So i also started with bedini motor replication.
I have replicated Imothep bedini circuit with 80 mm computer fan.
It worked, fan is rotating and it's giving out about 80 V spikes, depending on position of that potentiometer.
Then it all get very interesting. I try to connect another 120 mm pc fan parallel to the first fan and it partially works, it only rotates bigger 120 cm fan when spun by hand.
So i try manualy by hand to spin other smaller one but no luck.
After few minutes of adjusting potentiometer and manual rotating smaller fan it started to spin synced with bigger one
I was getting around 130 V spikes from these two. :)
Now because i dont have osciloscope i connected 200 v 470 uF capacitor to output and i would measure top voltage after some time of charging it.
that way i can see spike height in circuit.
Now one thing to consider, if you have good ears when these fans rotate you can hear high pitch noise coming from them as they rotate. Noise is not constant it pulses with rotation as one short pulse on every revolution of fan blades.
I considered that odd because it did not make that noise if i run these fans on regular power.
Then happened something very interesting.
out of the blue it all stopped working. so i try to spin smaller fan by hand again, and as i spun it i hear that pitch pulses much louder.
When it stopped the pitch noise was constant no pulsing and i get on output 130 v spikes and either fan was not running!!
Then i scratching my head and wondering what happened. As i was inspecting my circuit i found that one wire that was going from 120 mm fan is disconnected the one that was going to the potentiometer. It must broke loose because of bad soldering.
If i reconnect it back pitch noise disappear and circuit stops working until i spin larger fan and then it starts pulsing noise and gives out spikes as normal.
If i turn off power to the circuit and disconnect that wire then put power back on it does not start until i turn smaller fan just a little about half revolution. Then it starts that pitch noise and gives out spikes at output.
I think that i managed to get it working in solid state with two computer fans.
If are anyone interested in this i can make video of my setup and offer help to replicate this.
Sry for my english
The Bedini device works when stopped because you still have spike bemf producd by the coils. You can measure these without a scope by using ne2 bulbs in series allowing about 80 volts per ne2 bulb. The big question is; do you gate energy from the vacuum? Is there more output than input?
Hello
thanks for reply.
Interesting thing is that pitch noise shift as i jently move fan blades.
when i rotate it for about 30 degrees it gives out a little stronger spikes.
I dont have osciloscope but have obtained multimeter that measures frequency.
So this are the specs i have with this circuit:
one wire disconnected as explained in previous post.
with nothing connected at output:
Input voltage: 12V
Potentiometer setting:
Potentiometer range 0-900 ohm
max setting 900 ohm, input current: around 135 mA, output freq around 100 KHz
At min setting 0 ohm circuit draws 184 mA and output has 140 Khz
Info about power supply:
Standard AC to DC utility adapter
model: PLIU-1077
output: 12 VDC 1.25A
Connected capacitor at output 470uF 200V:
potentiometer at max 900 ohm, input current 137 - 134 mA it draws less as cap nears peak value, charged capacitor to 100 V in 31 sec. Max peak cap value is 112.8 V and gets there in 05m:07s
potentiometer at min 0 ohm, input current 178 -172 mA range because above explanation , charged capacitor to 30V in 9 sec, max peak cap value is 34.1V and gets there in around 11m:00s
After all this tests transistor did not get even warm.
Both fans did not rotatate during above tests.
Repeating above tests but with 4th wire connected.
power supply is the same
connected capacitor at the output is the same
potentiometer at max 900 ohm, neither fans wont work even when manual moved by hand, to run them on this resistance i firstly must decrease resistance to 300 ohm start larger fan by hand and then run smaller fan by hand, after that i increase resistance to max which is 900 ohm and they work then.
potentiometer at 900 ohm, input current 91-98mA, charged capacitor to 100V in 49s, max peak cap value i 136.1 V and gets there in 11m:50s
potentiometer at 0 ohm, input current is around 180 mA, charged capacitor to 10V in 1m:10s, max peak cap value is 11V and gets there in 7m:38s
I will do more tests with 80mm fan and 120 mm individualy tomorrow.
a.king21 if you have some ideas how to check for unity or overunity please tell me.
Without seeing your circuit it is impossible to comment - except generally.
The main problem with radiant energy is leakage. The electric field exists outside the wires for the most part.( Steinmetz). Kapanadze gets round this problem with heavy anti-static insulation.
This leakage feature makes it virtually impossible to loop. Kapanadze uses polystyrene, perspex and epoxy resin shielding in all his visible builds.
The best result I have got is charging 2 separate batteries and doing a swop. There has been an energy gain but only very slight.
I am currently experimenting with a Bedini-Cole motor, which seems to work, but it's early days yet.
Also remember your batteries need a rest period or they will fail.
Hello made some additional tests today.
first, a.king21
Hmm interesting remarks.
i have few ideas that could work with static shielding.
What you say that i try with pigtail cables as standard conductors that i use in wireless technology. They are designed to work from 2.4 to 5.8 GHz
Only question remains where to connect pigtail shielding from all the wires (maybe - polarity of output bat)
That design would minimize high frequency dissipation from wires.
Now to my tests:
I used same power supply 12v
one wire disconnected that goes from 120mm fan to pot
Removed fan blades that have permanent magnets on them
circuit still works and giving out better spikes than with fan blades on
First i did measurements of freq without anything connected at output.
pot at max 900 ohm, current draw is 140 mA, freq is around 132 Khz
pot at min 0 ohm, current draw is 190 mA, freq is around 154 Khz
Then i connected cap 200 v 470 uF at output to measure charging speed.
pot at 900 ohm, current draw 146 mA, it charges cap to 100 V in 15 s (100% faster than when blades are on), peak value is 130.1 V and it gets there in around 10m:00s
pot at 0 ohm, current draw is 188 mA, it charges cap to 30 V in 5 s, peak value is 36 V and it gets there in 8m:10s
pictures of my design: