on the way pictures included
;D ;D ;D
making this world a better place 1 soul at a time ....
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im just finishing the controler for the dubble cell unit
cell 1 is for gas production dirrectly fed to the air intake and cell #2 will use the hot water from cell 1 and burn it off ;) never to return it will be a vaccume cell fed into the pvc and vaccume system the controller is able to turn off both cells at will and moninotor the amparage between both cells there 2 30 amp curcuit breakers in it and 4 relays 3 switches and an amp meter
a kool system the vaccume cell should make a big diffrence ...
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compleate breake down to follow!!
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Seems it is going somewhere ::)
Keep it up ;D
the can and the cell notice how i put the 4 ga wires through the can so the heat from the connections does not melt the can ....
that is important i used a 3/8 drill bit with the 4 ga car audio wire it makes a tight seal and does not leak even under high heat and some pressure ;D
simple i used a brass fitting in the cap so it can take a bunch of heat and does not leak the can works great
but the cap must have an o ring to seal it DO NOT USE THE NYLON cap seal they suck ;)
so next is my cell
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8) the cell parts and drawings soon
:)
my cell drawing dubble nylon washers as spacers draw 20 amps hot after 3 hours with plain well water
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i changed my logo fo the hhooka! so i re post it also
part 2 of the cell not cuerrently built will use an ac invertor ;D with the correct amount of plates for the voltage supplyed it will be bridge rectified to dc this is the vaccume cell it will produce a lot of gas under vaccume so....... we dont need much power to drive the cell .... to achive the production we desire
heck i havent even drawn this yet but seams to make sence to me ....
thoughts ??
ist
basic dwg of the HHOOKA! 2 cell unit 8)
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well i did my first tests
and from the factory rateing acording to the dealer ship that i bought my car from i should be getting 47m/g so i decided to drain my tank and test it out
as i said 47m/g = 75.623 km well that was new and i bought my car used so i must know my exact milage b4 i begin any tests
so thease are my results
hwy and town driveing for 5$ cdn @ 129.9 /l i get 3.868l witch = just under 1 us gallon 0.994344473007712 us g for this amount of gas i get 63km in my 2001 honda civic
so i guess it works out to around 40m/g us or 6.2 l/100km cdn
THIS IS WITH OUT HHO THEASE ARE CONSUMPTION TESTS
SO end result 40m/g is my exact milage this test was done from empty tank to empty tank ;)
soon i will begin my booster tests ....
to see if there is any diffrence
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hello all
i managed to locate my pcv valve... ;D
so i thought i would hook up my cell to it .....
;D ;) ;)
wow! what a diff in my bubbler lol i can just imagine the the diff in the engine
so
i will let you know the results
well did my first test and i got 64 km from the same fuel so no big increase ...... hummmmm
but at least i did not lose .....
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i will try it agin
yep did it agin but still no increase 8)
why??
it is not because my unit isnt putting out gas......
so there can only be 1 reason for the lack of results
02 senser
so i guess it is on to EFIE
to tell the comp to supply less gas....
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so this is the most important control device for the unit
and here is a link to the simplest way to CONTROL IT
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4933.0.html
so sounds like the car must be TUNNED for HHO
to notice any improvement in milage with fuel injected cars
well time to build 1 of these 8)
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Hi innovation_station!
As I read about, one simple (maybe you can test it in no time, just to see if it works) to trick the O2 sensor, is to wrap it up with aluminium foil paper.
You first make a thin long wrap around the main body of the O2 sensor, then you cover with a second wrap, the whole body. Then you tie it up with something that will not burn away (it will be 300 or so C? in there) .... like a thin metal wire.
It seems that the sensor shifts it output just in the same way as by placing an EFIE, by being hotter.
you can google around for this ... If you want to do it, and don?t find any reference, I can search my docs ... I think I stored the document where I did read about it.
I am about to install my own HHO cell in my car (in fact I was about to install it yesterday).
I did the following previous test:
I filled a big container with water, and placed my entire HHO cell inside it. I turned it on.
Oh! surprise: HHO gas was going out THRU one of the Stainless steel thingies (sorry bad english) that I placed thru my cell's pvc top (by melting it, and then fixing with PVC cement, and bolting it from both sides).
HHO is surely a very light gas, and slippery too ;) So now I got to place sillicone everywhere to see if I can effectively close any potential gas leaks.
I just wanted to tell you about it, because maybe it is not a bad idea to submerge everything and see if any bubble appear in the wrong place.
Regards,
Sigmax
Here you have, my submerged hho cell, bubbling thru the 12V terminals :)
Now I got it fixed ... but I would have never guessed that it would be loosing HHO in that place.
nice
well i discovered i did have a leak .... i had the wrong cap on the cell i since fixed that now it is sealed it is hooked up under vaccume in the pcv valve on the intake side of the valve i have lots of suction and and i can now really notice the hho it is much snappyer the car...
so i did the test agin and i got 66km for the exact same amount of gas so agin no increase in milage
so
EIFE TIME
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oh btw i add tinfoil to the o2 sencer too with my last test.......
o2 senser info
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z-TOdXKh2q8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rBMZZV4VJgM&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=alaEZ4hlgOY&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yEg5gM4WOKU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4G6LiALLOEc&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fsiyLVrLB3Y
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got my EFIE done all ready to install it
it is tested on the bench and it does what it is suspoto do ;D
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Congrats IS!
Can you make a simple crockis on how is it wired (internally, if it is simple to copy) ? how about drive testing ? it works ?
Anyway maybe all the HHO work is made redundant with the discoveries that people is making in the URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5024.new;topicseen#new
Luckily, they can install it in a motor vehicle :)
SigmaX
IS:
You are actually one of the guys moving things in the other post!
Cheers!
sigmaX
yes indeed
moveing things along it needs to be done ...
anyhow here is a pic of my compleatly finished EFIE i added a relay to switch it on and off with the cell we are gonna hook it up today to a huyndi elantra to test it out as well as my civic in the reading i have done on o2 sensors i have the 4 wire jobbie in my civic aswell as the hundi it looks as tho 2 wires the same colours are for the heater in the sensor and the black is sig wire and the grey is ground as i understand they are oppsite colours to the 2 cars but we will just put a meter on the o2 sensor to find the correct wire
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HHOOKA!ST
youtube vid
all installed running and ready for tests in elantra
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vvrSlYSd6c
so finished off the civic today compleatly rewired it ;D
works well i now have full control over the computer in my civic i can tune it right down
it works as expected
im just gonna start the tests soon i will take a pic and do a wireing digram of my compleat system
it turned out well i also got my check valve today ;D
time fro real results ;) ;) :)
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btw im building 1 more EFIE for my civic so i have absoulate control... i have 2 o2 sensors in my car 1 b4 and 1 after the catalitic convertor i will match the same voltage in both sensors to get maximum increase in milage so far i have added 420 mv ;D to my computer sig from the o2 sensor
and i notice no diffrence in performance from my engine i also lowered my idle rpm this way to 250 - 300 rpm from 750 - 900 8)
does the EFIE curcuit work??
lol
pics of civic tommorow
i was given 60 square feet of lexan today 3/4 " thick for free i gave a demo ;D 8) to a few mechanics :o
is, Congrats on the Civic!
QUESTION: The O2 sensor BEFORE the catalitic, is RIGHT BEFORE IT ? OR just when the exhaust pipe starts from the motor ?
Also, the efie you built, was built entirely by you, or you bought it from internet ? I could only see the black box, with the potentiometer... Do you have any wiring ? I got yet to build mine ... I still got to get hold of the car (third world down here, only 1 car per family, and wifey uses it mostly, damned be me!)
I was planning to hook up a scope, and see how does it performs both without and with the Efie... for educational purposes :)
Regards,
SigmaX
i built the poor mans efie ... a battery a pot a resistor box a knob and 2 relays
the o2 sensor i taped into is right at the manifold the first o2 sensor im gonna tap both tho :)
here is a few pics from my civic install didnt really notice a big diff in milage yet tho now that is most likley because only 1 sensor is taped altho i can lean it right out if i want
but im only useing hho in idle and cruse right now... so after i install my check valve i will be able to redirrect the gas automatically as the engine changes its vaccume i think i will have to install 2 check valves so that when you step on the gas the vaccume will stop the valve will close the other valve will open and the gas will then be sent into the throtle body for acceleration and when you ease off the gass the acceleration valve will close and the vaccume valve will open ;D
l8r
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i added the single check valve
but it fights with acceleration tube....
so i just went and bought another i will install it today on the acc tube opsite way to the vaccume one
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well pics
hho is ruted through vaccume then into the acceleration i will be modding 1 more thing on the gas that is 2 tubes in to the air intake and i will be ruteing it dirrectly to the butterfly in the throttle body
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oops
i made a mistake in an earlyer post a friend of mine pointed it out thanks :)
my rpm is actually 600 not 250 -300
i read the tack wrong
oops
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i am modding my single EFIE to a dubble
i will post it when i finish it
well well
i finished my dubble voltage adder ;D ;D 8) :o
yep what can i cay
it does work ;D :P
i gained in milage.....
ok so gas now here is 133.9 cdn / l so for 5 bucks i get 3.5xx l so according to my previous tests i should get between 60 and 66 km for this amount of gas when you take into consideration the increase in price of fuel it should be less than i just quoted but infact the tests i have just finished i got more ;D
i ended up getting 74km for my 5 bucks
so there you have it....
i will repete the tests to be sure i have gained
this was not my first test.... since all is hooked up... but i will be adding the t and the dubble intake hoses right at the butterfly next
all in all i have noticed nothing bad to report the engine runs the same as b4 but it idles lower it still has the same power as b4 it does not sputter and i have added 400 mv to both sensors
however i did notice that i had to readjust the mv when i made changes to the gas input ;D
you all will figure it out
it aint that hard 8)
so what is next?? im just guessing here CELL #2 and maybe more im thinking i will have to supply more gas to reduce fossel fueles supply
enjoy
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well now!!!
errrr still more .....
so i have a slight increase in milage it isnt that much i think there still was a wee bit of gas left in the tank in my previous test because i got results that were diffrent than my posted test
in any event
so now i have 2 tapped o2's that i have added bout 350 mv seams to be best right now ... acording to the sound of the engine and performance ie. no sputtering or loss in performance ...
but the plot thickens ....
the MAP / MAF sensor is the next mod to compleat the last 2 mods :)
now as i understand at this moment the map needs to be reduced in voltage via a pot so im onto the MAP/MAF MOD
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so i got this mod all done and working as it is suspoto 8)
what a pile of headaches to get a few extra cliks... errrrrr...
well i think im getting the hang of it tho ;D
from what i have learned so far bout this stuff it seams as tho our hho gennys gas burns hot but the exaust is colder than petro and it messes up the o2 sensors so thus is the resaon for the voltage corrector or the EFIE device i was useing this unit as a gas saver device in my prevoius tests with the hhooka! but i since discovered i did it all wrong ;D lol live n learn 8) so for you to do it properly it seams as tho you just correct the voltage in the o2 sensors DO NOT USE EFIE DIVICE TO LEAN OUT ENGINE
because the o2 sensors are colder they tell the computer to spray MORE GAS thus canceling out any potincial gain in milage from the hho genny so the efie is used to put it back where it is suspoto be 8)
ok so now the map sensor is controling the gas that is fed to the enjectors with the 02 sensors out of the way and repaired we can fully adjust through the map sensor only and it does work well i can bring it down quite low rpm with out any sputtering or power loss and it is a much much quicker responce on the tac than doing it like this with the o2 sensors wich did not yeild the results we all serch for ... so
this map is much better but agin to see any diff as i have seen so far you must do both o2 and map
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pics l8r
well there must be somthing else to this as im starting to get dissopointed with my results just did a test with the o2 sensors at .10v and my map way up and poor results!!!
hummm
starting to run a loss what is the deal??
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ima relook everything i must have somthing wrong :)
no time to give up tho 8) got to get it figured
l8r
found my problem....
can anyone else find it lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgHJDD6UK0A
my problem is how i wired my o2 sensors in with the adder duh lol!!
it should be grounded insted of in line but im no EE trial and error then i will mesure the flucations in my o2 sensors but it seams to be adding more gas than i would like >:(
i got 90 km for 10 bucks cdn not good @133.9 /l should be more like 120 -130 km hummmmm...
well gonna fix my o2 wireing and mesure it properly and see what the results are
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well built a new controller to control
o2 sensor
map sensor hyw and town
maf sensor hot weather and cold weather
and on and off for the cell and all mods to the sensors
need total control to achive the results we desire ....
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"HEY GUY' You need to wright a book!! This is good stuff and its funny.
1- moisture after you shut down the veh., I haven't heard a lot comments about that so far, I have a diesel so I am a little concerned about the moisture after shut down.
2-- heat to volts to distance and time. The diff. between a short trip to long trip.
MILD BILL
no time to write a book ... i enjoy playing with things here is my new hhooka! controller
this is a dwg of it
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Hi IS!
Any update on gas usage ?
Are you sure that taking away the hho cell wont keep your system working in the exact same way ?
You lean the gas intake, fooling the sensors. We are assuming that the HHO is replacing that gas that you are saving.
But then, the catalyzer is there to burn EXCESS of gas.
I wonder if you are yet using the HHO, or just trimming that little gas that was spared for the catalyzer...
Today I assembled the MC-12 25 amps pulsing circuit, from Hydrogen Garage... I will try it on my cell just to see what kind of results I get, or if I stick with direct DC current from the battery.
As you can see I still couldn?t install the cell in my car. I am still waiting for a big buy from mouser.com that includes a 70 amp relay, and other niceties, to pimp / secure it.
Regards,
SigmaX
well bro 8)
hope you have better luck than myself...
so far not so good :(
the o2 sensor mod plays games with my computer keeps kicking the check engine light and we all know what that means ... verry bad thing if your trying to improve milage...
so currently im stuck on the o2 sensors gonna try the extenders if i can find em round my parts... the electrical fix for the o2 has not helped me 1 bit so far
the MAP sensor works well in my controller after i locate the MAF sensor i will wire it in the same but the o2's are another story ....
so till i get them fixed im running a loss
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what's the gas output, and how many amps does it draw when it's on the car? I've heard that too much gas will make the car go into open loop, the newer car's are more prone to this. I'm passing on this info from watercar group, but they say try it at low amps, and then work your way up, until the gains drop off.
Try using heater hose, and mounting it close to the air intake, so that the heat it creates gets in the air intake, that should also increase MPG.