http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/index.htm
It looks very good
Wow finally. If someone can replicate the effects, it's him
It looks like he has. I am anxiously awaiting v2.
Hi Guys,
I have all the stuff to replicate this JLN's experiment (http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/ (http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/))
the Stainless Steel tubes, the bifilar coil, the 4093.
I just lack of this BUK416-100 N-MOS Power transistor.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FPic%2FBUK_416-100.jpg&hash=7ae063d8aa71470eb662157b92916f2888ec4ba5)
BUK 416-100
Vds : 100 V.
Id = 150 A maxi.
Ptot : 410 W.
Rds : 0,009 ohm.
Dim : 38 x 25 x 12 mm.
59.90 Euros..... :-\
I'm far from an electronics specialist.
I'm just wondering... According to the circuit:
Do you really need such an expensive 'beast' (150 amps max) ???
Is the diode part of the the transistor? If not it is not specified. :-\
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Search the datasheet.
Found one:
http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf/902013.pdf
As you can see, the diode is part of the fet.
The 30V powersupply (VDC-1A) can only deliver 1A, so I'm sure a cheaper fet can be used. Still looking
Have you noticed this:
Below the measured specs of the new _insulated_ WFC v1.1.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/wfcv11.jpg
He insulated the inner electrode, to prefent currentflow.
@Alan,
Thanks a lot for the datasheet!
I did not succeed finding it. :P
What would you advice for the HVDIODE?
A diode from a Microwave Oven, or some 1N5408 in series?
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I think a microwave oven diode works well, but I'd say, try em both :)
The secondary will be 550 volts, also the HV diode is necessary for the high back emf kick (But I am not sure about that, anyone?)
Also watch this, I'm sure it will help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSmxliLwhT8
Quote from: NerzhDishual on June 28, 2008, 07:49:06 PM
Hi Guys,
I have all the stuff to replicate this JLN's experiment (http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/ (http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/))
the Stainless Steel tubes, the bifilar coil, the 4093.
I just lack of this BUK416-100 N-MOS Power transistor.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FPic%2FBUK_416-100.jpg&hash=7ae063d8aa71470eb662157b92916f2888ec4ba5)
BUK 416-100
Vds : 100 V.
Id = 150 A maxi.
Ptot : 410 W.
Rds : 0,009 ohm.
Dim : 38 x 25 x 12 mm.
59.90 Euros..... :-\
I'm far from an electronics specialist.
I'm just wondering... According to the circuit:
Do you really need such an expensive 'beast' (150 amps max) ???
Is the diode part of the the transistor? If not it is not specified. :-\
Best
Transistors are cheap , although this1 is hight power ... and it is very important that it will is low resistance1 (drain to source), also it may be fast recovery transistor ...and so on. This 1 got 4 connectors also it may be with 2 gates ....
I do not find smart to use so expensive transistor there is just no need for it ...
And about amperage ... U may need 410 w transistor after all coz alternator in car is generating up to 1 KW ... Any way hes using this1 as switch so i do not really know ... There may be no need for 410 W ...
@Alan, Jokker
Thanks for your "feedbacks".
Yes, 550 volts for the secondary. 220/12*30 =/= 550 Volts (without any "back emf kick").
I guess I will use:
one IRF540;
a second 4093 for the 2 square wave generators;
a 12 volts DC supply for the 4093s.
According to the circuit, the DC supply for the 4093 should be 5 Volts????.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/VIC10diag.gif
I am very doubtful about some JLN's specifications.
For example, if you try to reproduce the very simple JLN's "negistor"
experiment, with a mere 12 volts bat, you will almost certainly fail! :(
see : http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/images/negoscdg.gif
From (http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/negosc.htm).
Why? Because the DC supply should be fine tuned and this is not specified.
Depending on the cap. and the coil it could be 8.6-8.8 volts or 10.1-10.5 volts
(for ex.)
I managed to get better results with different values.
This is off topic , but if you are interested in, some picture are on:
http://freenrg.info/Negistor/
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Alan the u tube link comes up no longer available Chet
My suggestion is to use just hight power switching transistor. By the way u may want transistor what is meant to work progressively.
I just did exams at school and got pretty good results so i pretty much know the thing ;D.... U should use stabilization transistor (impulse voltage regulator). Because ...
It is hight power it should be fast recovery and it should be perfect for pulsing circuit ...
Any way 100 KHz is not too hight frequency but u need to make sure that u got switching transistor. Area transistor should work better coz it got hight input resistance so u will not heat driving - oscillation (pulsing) part. Mosfet transistor maybe ....
by the way why u try to use induction element oscillator. 555 times should work like charm. They are very accurate and u can change frequency very easily and i guess it is part what u should work on.
QuoteAccording to the circuit, the DC supply for the 4093 should be 5 Volts?Huh.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/VIC10diag.gif
Yeah, because the output of these nand chips is 0 or 5 volt. A 7905 would work
The youtube video works again.
555's are also very easy, just google "555 tutorial" :)
And about circuit ...
U cant be so smart to build it up in you head by calculating things what are incalculable. Use circuit simulation programs like multisim (labsoft national insruments) theres build in 555 timer tool also.
This is going to be it. JLN will have specs and they will work and be public info!!!!! I am psyched.....
TROYD1 THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE FORUM you are right these guys are the real deal Chet PS its to good to be true around the Forum things are poppin everywhere
(I shouldn't post this here, but what the heck :) don't know where else)
I am looking for a good USB oscilloscope, which one do you recommend?
Hi witty Guys,
@Alan (included in the witty Guys ;D) :
I'm 60 and retired. I have and old (1977?) Hameg HM 207 oscilloscope, so I cannot be of
any help about USB ones... I was into RS232 and DOS. It works pretty well for
'discussing' with meteorological moored buoys's sensors and also with data transmitters
for geostationary satellites. http://www.meteo.shom.fr/real-time/ ...
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NE555 are fine and very versatile.
I have been playing with these gizmos for a long time.
The problem is: with the "555 average circuits" over there on the Internet including the
very Dave Lawton one, when you tune the Duty Cycle you detune the Freq and
reciprocally... :(
If you do not want to detune your Freq when tuning the Duty Cycle (and reciprocally), you
must have two 555 . One in Astable mode (for Freq) and another in Monostable mode (for
Duty C.). It works, should you well choose all the R and C values! I have done it.
Please see http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/electricfence.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/electricfence.pdf)
Now, about this bl' JLN WFC replication:
What kind of transformer (220V/12V) is he using. A toroidal one or a
common 50/60Hz DC power supply AC/DC transformer (in inverse way, by the way)?
In that case, is this transformer suited for the claimed 11KHZ Freq)?
Else: what are the Duty cycles of the 2 square wave oscillators?
To me, this is Half-Opened Source... :( :P :'(
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I think an older scope also would suffice, gonna look for a second hand one.
Well, everything is there:
- The 250Hz signal is 50%
- The 11 kHz signal is about 22 pulses per period of the 250 signal, count the spikes in the picture. Duty cycle is unknown, I think the lower the better. Both frequency's must be variable, every wfc is different.
- The site says this about the transformer:
The T1 transformer is a common 220v/12v 60VA transformer used in reverse mode. The use of a toro?dal transformer with a ferrite core will be better to minimize the HF losses in the core.
Looks like he is using a regular transformer, else he would have put a toroidal in the schematics. 8)
@NerzhDishual - To me, this is Half-Opened Source...
I have followed the JLN website for a while. JLN always post everything in a straight forward way, encourages replication and even creates pages for others that have replicated. He always posts his email if you have questions. If it appears half open, point out where and send him an email and I am sure he will clarify. He is now working on version 2. Hope he gets done soon.
@Alan:
Yes, your are right. The site says about the transformer!
I just did not read it straight... :(
I have made a circuit with a single 4093 and 2 potentiometers for
tuning the 2 freqs (about 200-300 Hz) and (about 10-12 KHZ).
100 nano cap + 47K + 22 K pot / 22 nano cap + 47 K + 22k pot.
It works well on my test board (ugly version).
I have not yet managed to get it run fully in the nice version
(the one in a plastic case). :'(
I have also purchased some micro wave oven diodes.
Things are going on slowly....
@Troyd1:
OK.OK.
It is not Half-Opened source. Would I say 85% opened???
Just kidding. :)
More to come soon...
Thanks for you replies.
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Great Nerzh, post some scopeshots of the timer, maybe people can give suggestions to make it better. (But I think you have plenty of experience with them :) )
@Alan and All,
My small screen 30 years old HAMEG scope does not allow very accurate readings. :-\
The freqs generator now works well in his small plastic box.
I have added 2 outputs 'plugs' for monitoring the freqs.
F1 = from (about) 200 HZ to 300 Hz
F2 = from (about) 750 Hz to 1100 Hz (as I can remember)
I have also added a switch and a resistor for multiplying F2 by 1.5.
I'm planing to use a second 220v / (2 * 12v) 32 VA transformer in normal mode +
a diodes bridge and a 600 microF/150 volts caps for my "VDC 1A PSU".
2 * 12 = 24 volts AC should give me about 30 volts DC.
I'm also planing to use an IRF250 MOSFET trans.
Vds= 200 V
Id = 30 A
Rds= 0.085 ohm.
The very expensive BUK416-100 is given for:
Vds = 100 V
Id = 100 A !!!
Rds = 0.018 ohm
I also will wound another Bifilar Coil or use one of my already made one.
Depends upon my mood. :P
I have also a micro-wave oven HV diode.
Hope this would do the trick.
Perhaps should I use a bunch of 1N5404 in series?
I will then take some pictures, wire all these stuffs together
and try to not explode anything.... :D
I'm not an Electronic Technician, just a retired computer programmer.
So I wish I saw some 'dots' in the JML circuit: ???
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FPic%2FBif-arrang.jpg&hash=ab55524feb1036d3d552c4557037fbb49171ad7d)
More to come ASAP.
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Hi ND,
I think the dots can be at wire ends 1 and 3 or (equally giving the same effect) at wire ends 2 and 4.
I base this reasoning on Naudin earlier TEP projects where he also used bifilar coils and this setup also upconverts a smaller input voltage to a higher voltage while the turns-ratio between L1 and L2 is 1:1.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tep4xfrm.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tep4nrcp.htm
Edit: In Naudin WFC circuit the 'smaller voltage' will be the voltage coming from the 220V output side of T1 and this voltage should get upconverted by the bifilar T2 to a much higher voltage for the cell.
rgds, Gyula
Hi Gyula,
Thanks for "connecting the dots".
Yes, You are right. I had been playing with some of this TEP circuits and
I should have figuring it out. Shame on me...
I'm just irritated by this BUK416-100.
Proposing this kind of very unusual part is it not a way to distract
and discourage people?
GotoLuc and Callanan (for ex) are not secretive at all.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.0.html)
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@guyla
I think you are right, if you look at the original VIC circuit, you can see that 1 dot is connected to the cell, the other dot is connected to the transformer.
In the video posted earlier, resonance was acquired by leaving bifilar point 3 disconnected and the cell connected to 4 instead.
@ND
You should send an email to Naudin why he uses the BUK, he does respond to his email.
Hi guys,
Yes, JLN does not answer (some?) his emails. That is why I do not send him
messages any more. :)
Anyway, 2 relatives of mine are in touch with him and should I have any problem, I
guess that they could be of any help.
I have been very busy and have now built, mostly from recovery parts:
1) A 'bi freq'. square wave gen.
2) A new bifilar coil. Slightly bigger than the JLN one (about 2*200 turns)
of #24 wire on a 25 m/m plastic tube (length 200 m/m).
2* (2 ohm/0.117 mH) (with air core).
3) A small DC PSU that shows 39 volts (under no load) encased
in a marvellous transparent plastic box from "Ferrero Rocher". :)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreenrg.info%2FPic%2Fferrero_rocher.jpg&hash=41506b8d5b7335b49d1a3c3e3b6fe3e239301d7f)
4) An ugly MOSFET 'interface' for allowing a quick change of the
transistor. Just in case.... :-X
This old 110-125-145-220-245/12 volts transformer (more than 60 VA, I hope...)
is now waiting for assembly. I will use the 145/12 volts 'range'.
Finally, it takes time to build all these things and I will almost run out of
female banana sockets ... ;D
Pictures to come soon.
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Quote from: NerzhDishual on July 04, 2008, 06:50:40 PM
I'm just irritated by this BUK416-100.
Proposing this kind of very unusual part is it not a way to distract
and discourage people?
Hi ND and all,
My only explanation on Naudin's using the BUK416-100 is the extremely low drain-source ON resistance. We can only estimate the secondary DC resistance of his 220V/12V 60VA normal transformer, usually for such power transfer at normal mains transformers the 12V secondary coil may have a 0.8-1.5 Ohm copper resistance and when the MOSFET gets switched on, its own Rds ON resistance connects in series with the secondary coil, so to minimize power loss on the switch, the less its Rds ON is, the less loss is created across it with respect to the secondary coil.
So no need to buy this rather expensive BUK transistor, your proposed IRF250 is a perfect choice for tinkering, especially if you measure your own transformer's secondary to a near or higher than 1 Ohms. Especially the latter has a 200V drains source breakdown voltage, this is a benefit in case of switching inductive low resistance loads...
Ferrero Rocher is very fine to eat... :D :D :D
rgds, Gyula
Hi Gyula and All,
Thanks for your 'feebacks'.
I will measure the 12 volts secondary coil resistance.
I have a lot of IRFxxx in my mess. Most from recoveries.
I worked in a Oceanographic Research Center. 'They' used to throw out some
'obsolete' but still working devices.
It is incredible what you can salvage form an Oceanographic Acoustic Release
control unit for example. A lot of big caps, huge transistors, Diodes, not
mentioning the switches, the potentiometers, heats sinks, etc....
So, according to some (your?) advices from here, I chose the MOSFET with lower DS
resistance in my 'treasure'. :)
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Hi, everybody.
I have made an Dave Lawton like circuit, and I use IRF740 (on a small ALU radiator) as the final transistor (MOSFET). It works well, and I think it's affordable.
Now I'm in the process of conditioning the electrodes. Boring stuff...
Regards.
Quote from: NerzhDishual on July 06, 2008, 08:14:48 PM
Hi Gyula and All,
Thanks for your 'feebacks'.
I will measure the 12 volts secondary coil resistance.
.....
So, according to some (your?) advices from here, I chose the MOSFET with lower DS
resistance in my 'treasure'. :)
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Ok. I just checked the 12V secondary coil DC resistance of a 50VA Weller soldering iron mains transformer and I measured about 0.6 Ohm. This is a bit less than I estimated in my earlier mail of around 0.8-1 Ohm so if you can find at least 1/10 of this 0.6 Ohm for your MOSFET D-S ON resistance, then the loss will also be 1/10 of the loss on the secondary. Later when some refinement is needed to reduce this switch loss, you may connect two FETs in parallel to halve the D-S ON resistance. IRF250 or similar 25-30A, 200 or 250V power MOSFETs are good choices with their lower than 0.1 Ohm D-S ON resistance.
rgds, Gyula
@Kineticon,
Welcome to the club!
I also built, about one year ago, this very Dave Lawton circuit.
Some pictures: http://freenrg.info/Stanley_Meyer/My_Lawton_CCT/ (http://freenrg.info/Stanley_Meyer/My_Lawton_CCT/)
It is an exact replication of the circuit (without alternator but with
a BUZ350 transistor) described in the the various D14.pdf files.
For ex: http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_2_D_Lawton_Circuit.pdf (http://freenrg.info/Hydrogen/D14_Updated_2_D_Lawton_Circuit.pdf)
I tested it with 3 stainless steel electrodes.
Guess what: it did not work. More precisely: I did not manage to get it running. :P
I only got few bubbles. Of course, that does not mean that the DL circuit does not work... ;D
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@Gyula,
My secondary coil resistance is more than One ohm (about 1.6 ohm).
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Some pictures of my 'things':
http://freenrg.info/Stanley_Meyer/JL_Naudin_WFC_Rep/ (http://freenrg.info/Stanley_Meyer/JL_Naudin_WFC_Rep/)
More to come soon
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im trying to pick up in this direction now.....i need to know where i could find a transformer such as the one in naudins.....would anyone know of a website where i could find a 12v/220v or 240volt toroidal transformer?
By the way ...
Any results showed up from JNL lab.